Please don't let this be a vapor product.

This is right in my upper limit, but if the price stays I'll buy me one!

I'm thinking a fully tricked out RED One can be had for sub $40k

And what is it that Cartman on Southpark always says happens to someone when they die...

Yes, I would have liked to look up all the pricing posts and reply:
"How many hundreds of thousands, is that camera ;)" And the posts about how a sub $20K price was unrealistic. And the posts that conclusively concluded that a lens of that resolution, that cheap was impossible ;).

I would prefer a basic unit for closer to ten, or under ten, but this is the market they want to go for, and a number of $10K people are likely to want to go upto $17.5K with a camera with looks and features like that.


Congratulations Jannard.

Looks like you will be able to get it to shoot 4k with a decent lens for under $50k, if that hold true, they just absolutely put a dent in the Vari/F900 market. Just need a viable storage/back-up solution. With modularity, maybe even a blue-ray drive oculd be attached.

By the way, anyone know if the $17,500 is just for the body? If do, I dont think it really counts as a sub $20k camera... doesnt really matter though!




ash =o)

While its neat news....

right now there is no working camera
you cant buy one at any price


congrats will be in order when you can buy and use one, until then its vapour-ware.


not trying to rain on anyones parade... just being realistic

While there may not be a working camera for sale to the masses, it has been working for testing purposes, http://www.digitalcinemasociety.org/CurrentNewsletter.php
Info. available under the 'What's Ahead for Red Section' in the newsletter.

Congratulations to Jim Jannard and his team!

I had already pooped the pants earlier the week when i found out someone was testing the sensor, then i pooped a little more when i found they had about 50 people on the design team, then i just pooped it again when i saw the camera and the MSRP.

The thing is interesting, I like that it can be a small camera but doesn't have to be. Small is good but these tiny handy cams feel insulting.

At least it will be able to support 4:2:2 HD-SDI, my project my still have limited use then.

Arri, panavision, sony, panasonic, and dalsa might need some new pants too.

And to finish off - I want one!

$17,500 is the basic starting point, everything you need to create a working system is on top of that.

It's rather like a film camera body being $17,000, but then having to buy magazines, batteries, lenses and all the other things you need to actually use the kit to shoot a film on top of that basic price.

$17,500 is the basic starting point, everything you need to create a working system is on top of that.

Even then it's very cheap!
Only 5000 dollar for a lens, + one person at RED said (see HDforindies for more information) that there would be a recording device for 1000 dollar.
I really hope for RED that they are receiving many reservations, they deserve it.

Even then it's very cheap!
Only 5000 dollar for a lens, + one person at RED said (see HDforindies for more information) that there would be a recording device for 1000 dollar.
I really hope for RED that they are receiving many reservations, they deserve it.

That's a 300mm f2.8, you won't be using that as your everyday lens and that's the normal price for a stills lens with that spec.

How much memory are you getting for that $1000?

The RED camera promises to bring down the price of a high end camera, which seems to be happening to a certain extent anyway. You can get HD cameras for $20k or less (assuming the SI goes into production) which do exist and are tools that you can go out and make an indie feature film with.

RED is a modular camera, but to make full use of the 4K spec, it'll take more than the basic module.

That's a 300mm f2.8, you won't be using that as your everyday lens and that's the normal price for a stills lens with that spec.

How much memory are you getting for that $1000?

The RED camera promises to bring down the price of a high end camera, which seems to be happening to a certain extent anyway. You can get HD cameras for $20k or less (assuming the SI goes into production) which do exist and are tools that you can go out and make an indie feature film with.

RED is a modular camera, but to make full use of the 4K spec, it'll take more than the basic module.

I pointed this out in another thread and if RED allows it, there should be a cheap option for indies:

(1) Allow us to "roll our own" eSATA 2.5" drives.
(2) Nikon F or Canon SLR mount

That probably wont' do 4K (though with a 7200 RPM drive and a good codec, maybe 4K at 24p?) but you can get started with it.

You could concievably get a sub $20k RED kit with that setup.

The thing with RED is that it lets you do what you want when you want. Don't need 4k? Don't use 4k.

I am a little concerned about its looks though. It is slightly odd, but at the same time still slightly consumerish. I just hope the final model is more serious looking rather than something from War Of The Worlds or something.

But hey, if it lives up to the specs I'm there, I'm getting one, and I'm shooting a feature on the thing. So lets hope it does live up to the hype!

I like low profile looks. I can think of more than a few situations where a $20K camera not looking like a $20K camera will be an advantage.

FYI, it's a $1000 down payment to get on the order list. They had over a hundred just at the booth by 11 am. No telling how many more they got this afternoon and how many were sold via phone and web. It looks like they have a hit on their hands.

-gb-

My guess is that 4k will require the RED Raid, I dont see how they can do that over firewire, USB or single SATA. Buuut.... looks like you will be able to shoot 1080p with a decent lense for $25-$30k... pretty sweet deal.


ash =o)


PS I dont think it is very wise for anyone to record staight to HDD without a back-up. I am hoping the modularity will add for a media drive of some sort, be it blueray, HD-DVD or holodisc

My guess is that 4k will require the RED Raid, I dont see how they can do that over firewire, USB or single SATA. Buuut.... looks like you will be able to shoot 1080p with a decent lense for $25-$30k... pretty sweet deal.

It's borderline, that's for sure, but I won't write it off since Jim has stated 200 Mb/s data rates and some 7200 RPM 2.5" drive exceed that. And a two drive RAID 0 is not out of the question though reliability would be a major issue.

However, with a little ingeniuty, you could make a 2 lb RAID 0+1 7200 RPM sandwich. Battery life and heat would be an issue but mount it out on the cage with a battery and use the camera/cage as a big heat sink :)

The thing with RED is that it lets you do what you want when you want. Don't need 4k? Don't use 4k.

I am a little concerned about its looks though. It is slightly odd, but at the same time still slightly consumerish. I just hope the final model is more serious looking rather than something from War Of The Worlds or something.

But hey, if it lives up to the specs I'm there, I'm getting one, and I'm shooting a feature on the thing. So lets hope it does live up to the hype!

It is different, but it beats the ugly varicam type cameras....
though the canon Hd is a nice style and probably more tame for peoples taste.

Peace

dalen

The thing with RED is that it lets you do what you want when you want. Don't need 4k? Don't use 4k.

I am a little concerned about its looks though. It is slightly odd, but at the same time still slightly consumerish. I just hope the final model is more serious looking rather than something from War Of The Worlds or something.

But hey, if it lives up to the specs I'm there, I'm getting one, and I'm shooting a feature on the thing. So lets hope it does live up to the hype!

Industrial/retro ;) I think it is a seller, maybe not an ENG case style.

I had already pooped the pants earlier the week when i found out someone was testing the sensor, then i pooped a little more when i found they had about 50 people on the design team, then i just pooped it again when i saw the camera and the MSRP.

The thing is interesting, I like that it can be a small camera but doesn't have to be. Small is good but these tiny handy cams feel insulting.

At least it will be able to support 4:2:2 HD-SDI, my project my still have limited use then.

Arri, panavision, sony, panasonic, and dalsa might need some new pants too.

And to finish off - I want one!

Mop up in aisle seven ;)

I want one too. It is a good buy, especially as it may do upto 15 stops (as Mike is saying was said, over at hdforIndies). If they could refine it to do over 72db S/N, output over 12bits (more the merrier for exposure adjustments and low light) and make the redcodec work at upto 400Mb/s, it would definitely be a better buy for most conditions.

On their website it says:
"large 29 sq. micron pixels"

so square root of that is 5,39 micron and

4520 X 5,39 is 24,34mm...

Did you read 29 Microns at HDforindies? I thought I did, but obviously this was impossible, when I checked it again it is 29 square microns, that is over 5 microns a side and fits. But what is the fill factor?

The sensor is where we got some of the specs we wanted but some stuff is still unclear.

Since its a custom built sensor i guess they are weary of giving out to many specs to quickly. The more released info the more the others know.

I would suspect a pure sensor manufacturer is in on this and not so much one affiliated with a camera company. So that to me rules out panavision SVI, canon, sony, possibly dalsa (dalsa is more ccd anyway, so doubt it is them). So I'm guessing micron, kodak, or fillfactory (cypress) are doing the sensors. So i'm guessing that its based on new and more common CMOS process, not something really exotic like the panavision held ACS. So this would lead me to assume a similar fill factor to something like altasens (who might also be the sensor manufacturer too).

Its likely though that since Jim Jannard has said this sensor is custom, isn't on the market, is availble to the public, and just plain is only going to be in the RED camera I suspect that we will never be able to download a sensor datasheet which is unfortunate.