New section

James Rulison · April 8th, 2002, 02:35 PM

Chris,

Maybe you can create a new section in the forums for Video over the Web?

Video for Internet

Or something, I don't think you would need to break it down to QuickTime, Windows Media, and REAL just yet. I just think as more and more people want to see their weddings, or family events over the net questions are going to arise. We might want to add a few more discussions on how to get the best video and compression for use over the net.

Best regards,
James

Justin Chin · April 8th, 2002, 04:01 PM

I'd like to see this to. And or if anyone has a good resource primer on the subject I'd like to hear about it.

Ed Smith · April 9th, 2002, 01:21 PM

Rob very kindly found these sites in response to my question 'Downloading' in the TOTEM forum; they are very useful if you are looking for live web streaming, or don't know where to start:

Real: http://www.realnetworks.com/products/media_delivery.html
Quicktime: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qtss/ (mac only?)
Windows Media: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/distribute/hosting.asp

I don't know about a dedicated video web forum at the moment (not many people asking those types of questions yet), but would see its benefits in the future.

All the best,

Ed

Chris Hurd · April 15th, 2002, 01:42 PM

It's an appealing suggestion. A buddy of mine in Boston is something of an expert in this category; I'll see if he's up for giving us a hand with this, and then we'll "make it so." Thanks,

Chris Hurd · April 15th, 2002, 06:31 PM

Roger that -- seems like all the required pieces are falling together. Thanks,

Chris Hurd · April 18th, 2002, 05:43 PM

Working up the necessary goods for this, plus how about a Film Look from DV section as well.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · April 18th, 2002, 07:34 PM

Speaking of film look, I have seen the most convincing home-brewed film look. A local filmmaker named Jason Tomaric shot a shoestring budget scifi epic (called "One") with a SONY VX-1000 and later a JVC DV-500. He recently gave me the privilege of previewing some of the new scenes, and the footage is really something to drool over, considering its prosumer origination. Great filmlook! He keeps its origins and workings a trade secret--all he'll tell me is that it takes about 20 minutes to process a 5-minute segment.

Rob Lohman · April 19th, 2002, 02:39 AM

He'll probably be using color correction with some of the film-look
plugins available. Sounds like it must be that.

Film-look section would be great Chris! How about a news
section where you can post interesting new things and/or
links to news etc. regarding DV. News fragments are now
scattered all over the forums. Oh... and you know I'm still
waiting on that other forum, don't you? :)

Cheers!

James Rulison · April 22nd, 2002, 04:56 PM

Chris,

I was wondering what the final verdict was I know you were looking to get someone to monitor it, but I didn't know if you got a response back.

Best,
James

Chris Hurd · May 24th, 2002, 10:42 PM

We're there! I've recruited my good friend and fellow tradeshow warrior-veteran Adam Brooks from the Boston area to moderate and assist with the goings-on around here. Adam is a new media consultant whose clients include Canon USA and Media 100. He was the force behind the "I Can Stream" program from about a year ago and is well equipped to handle these types of discussion topics. Fire away!

Jeff Farris · May 25th, 2002, 08:40 AM

I spent over an hour yesterday fooling around with different QT settings, none of which I was satisfied with. I am trying to deliver a 3 minute video that is my first editing project to the web. I decided this morning to visit my compadres at DV-INFO to see what they have to say on the subject, and lo and behold here is an entire, brand new forum on the subject.

I am about to devour it all, but I first wanted to thank you. I am also thanking you by directing all of my DV purchases, present and future, to your sponsors.

Ed Smith · May 25th, 2002, 02:16 PM

<<<-- I don't know about a dedicated video web forum at the moment (not many people asking those types of questions yet), but would see its benefits in the future -->>>

I guess I will just have to eat my words!!!

I think now, this will be a valuable message board, and since I'm just getting into web streaming this will be a great resource.

Cheers Chris,

All the best,

Ed Smith

Keith Loh · May 28th, 2002, 01:57 PM

I've been on this board for the past few weeks looking for DV camera suggestions but didn't notice this section until today and thought I should mention that I work for a streaming video technology company that produces a Java-based playerless solution called Clipstream.

I don't want to be complete huckster but people can check it out at http://www.clipstream.com

The advantage of our technology is that it is playerless, relying only Java and doesn't need any special servers to host the video. This will probably mean something to people who don't have time, equipment or money to set up a special streaming server for their movies.

Also, one market we are pushing is to send video through email, which is pretty easy using our technology. We've already done this for Lions Gate (Shadow of the Vampire) and Revolution (Black Hawk Down).

I think this has potential for guerilla, indie and low budget filmmakers to get some mindshare. Providing you are careful about spamming people, some may be interested to get trailers in their mail. Since it's streaming, it isn't that much heavier than normal email.

David Hurdon · January 3rd, 2003, 07:41 AM

Keith, what your employer sells it very cool on first exposure. Is it a practical approach for individuals who stream video for limited audiences - friends, family and the curious? I don't pay for WMEncoders so how much should I be willing to spend for this admittedly fascinating alternative?

Chris Hurd · February 6th, 2003, 08:52 AM

David, since this is an older thread, you might need to send an e-mail to Keith alerting him to your query here... I'm sure he'll answer,

April 8th, 2002, 02:35 PM	#1
James Rulison Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 59	New section Chris, Maybe you can create a new section in the forums for Video over the Web? Video for Internet Or something, I don't think you would need to break it down to QuickTime, Windows Media, and REAL just yet. I just think as more and more people want to see their weddings, or family events over the net questions are going to arise. We might want to add a few more discussions on how to get the best video and compression for use over the net. Best regards, James

April 8th, 2002, 04:01 PM	#2
Justin Chin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 228	I'd like to see this to. And or if anyone has a good resource primer on the subject I'd like to hear about it. __________________ justin www.monsterrocket.com Filmmaker \| Cinematographer

April 9th, 2002, 01:21 PM	#3
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,535	Try these Rob very kindly found these sites in response to my question 'Downloading' in the TOTEM forum; they are very useful if you are looking for live web streaming, or don't know where to start: Real: http://www.realnetworks.com/products/media_delivery.html Quicktime: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qtss/ (mac only?) Windows Media: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/distribute/hosting.asp I don't know about a dedicated video web forum at the moment (not many people asking those types of questions yet), but would see its benefits in the future. All the best, Ed

April 15th, 2002, 01:42 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 21,502 Images: 535	It's an appealing suggestion. A buddy of mine in Boston is something of an expert in this category; I'll see if he's up for giving us a hand with this, and then we'll "make it so." Thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DV Info Net Sponsors \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 15th, 2002, 06:31 PM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 21,502 Images: 535	Roger that -- seems like all the required pieces are falling together. Thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DV Info Net Sponsors \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 18th, 2002, 05:43 PM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 21,502 Images: 535	Working up the necessary goods for this, plus how about a Film Look from DV section as well. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DV Info Net Sponsors \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 18th, 2002, 07:34 PM	#7
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,907	Film Look Speaking of film look, I have seen the most convincing home-brewed film look. A local filmmaker named Jason Tomaric shot a shoestring budget scifi epic (called "One") with a SONY VX-1000 and later a JVC DV-500. He recently gave me the privilege of previewing some of the new scenes, and the footage is really something to drool over, considering its prosumer origination. Great filmlook! He keeps its origins and workings a trade secret--all he'll tell me is that it takes about 20 minutes to process a 5-minute segment. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 19th, 2002, 02:39 AM	#8
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,527	He'll probably be using color correction with some of the film-look plugins available. Sounds like it must be that. Film-look section would be great Chris! How about a news section where you can post interesting new things and/or links to news etc. regarding DV. News fragments are now scattered all over the forums. Oh... and you know I'm still waiting on that other forum, don't you? :) Cheers! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 22nd, 2002, 04:56 PM	#9
James Rulison Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 59	Chris, I was wondering what the final verdict was I know you were looking to get someone to monitor it, but I didn't know if you got a response back. Best, James

May 24th, 2002, 10:42 PM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 21,502 Images: 535	We're there! I've recruited my good friend and fellow tradeshow warrior-veteran Adam Brooks from the Boston area to moderate and assist with the goings-on around here. Adam is a new media consultant whose clients include Canon USA and Media 100. He was the force behind the "I Can Stream" program from about a year ago and is well equipped to handle these types of discussion topics. Fire away! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DV Info Net Sponsors \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 25th, 2002, 08:40 AM	#11
Jeff Farris Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 101	Chris, you and your crew are amazing... I spent over an hour yesterday fooling around with different QT settings, none of which I was satisfied with. I am trying to deliver a 3 minute video that is my first editing project to the web. I decided this morning to visit my compadres at DV-INFO to see what they have to say on the subject, and lo and behold here is an entire, brand new forum on the subject. I am about to devour it all, but I first wanted to thank you. I am also thanking you by directing all of my DV purchases, present and future, to your sponsors. __________________ Jeff Farris fish pictures: http://digitaldiver.net TORMEK: http://www.sharptoolsusa.com e-mail: jeff@digitaldiver.net work easy, dive hard

May 25th, 2002, 02:16 PM	#12
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,535	Re: Try these <<<-- I don't know about a dedicated video web forum at the moment (not many people asking those types of questions yet), but would see its benefits in the future -->>> I guess I will just have to eat my words!!! I think now, this will be a valuable message board, and since I'm just getting into web streaming this will be a great resource. Cheers Chris, All the best, Ed Smith

May 28th, 2002, 01:57 PM	#13
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,391	Clipstream Video I've been on this board for the past few weeks looking for DV camera suggestions but didn't notice this section until today and thought I should mention that I work for a streaming video technology company that produces a Java-based playerless solution called Clipstream. I don't want to be complete huckster but people can check it out at http://www.clipstream.com The advantage of our technology is that it is playerless, relying only Java and doesn't need any special servers to host the video. This will probably mean something to people who don't have time, equipment or money to set up a special streaming server for their movies. Also, one market we are pushing is to send video through email, which is pretty easy using our technology. We've already done this for Lions Gate (Shadow of the Vampire) and Revolution (Black Hawk Down). I think this has potential for guerilla, indie and low budget filmmakers to get some mindshare. Providing you are careful about spamming people, some may be interested to get trailers in their mail. Since it's streaming, it isn't that much heavier than normal email.

January 3rd, 2003, 07:41 AM	#14
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 473	Clipstream Video Keith, what your employer sells it very cool on first exposure. Is it a practical approach for individuals who stream video for limited audiences - friends, family and the curious? I don't pay for WMEncoders so how much should I be willing to spend for this admittedly fascinating alternative? __________________ http://www.contentshop.tv http://www.netvideomaker.com

February 6th, 2003, 08:52 AM	#15
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 21,502 Images: 535	David, since this is an older thread, you might need to send an e-mail to Keith alerting him to your query here... I'm sure he'll answer, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DV Info Net Sponsors \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

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