Arboretum Clip

Hugh Mobley · March 31st, 2008, 12:51 AM

Cal State Fullerton Arboretum clip, 38 mb takes a few minutes to load, they have some spectacular flowers there. Taken with Sony V1

http://www.hughmobley.com/arboretum.html

Darko Debelic · April 15th, 2008, 06:34 PM

Hello Hugh,

I am very impressed by the high definition you achieve with your streaming clips. I have never managed to get that kind of sharpness with my V1 footage rendered for the web.

Could I ask you to give some tips on what kind of workflow is needed to achieve that kind of quality?

Thank you.

Hugh Mobley · April 20th, 2008, 02:13 PM

sure, I film at 1080i sometimes auto, sometimes manual, I capture clips with cineform NEO HDV usually as an avi clip and only deinterlace with cineform. I edit in Vegas 8 as progressive 29.97. and render as mpeg 4 custom, usually 1 pass at 3 mbps progressive at around 550 x 380 aspect. Rendering at a higher bit rate will increase clip size where it takes too long to load. My dvd's of the same clips are coming out almost as good as these and are sd, but are very good. the raw m2t played directly from the camera, on my hd tv are outstanding. Another thing you can try if you have cineform is to cature or convert directly to mov. clips and edit those and then render to mpeg4, colors are little deeper, blacks are little blacker, and so on. you have to see for your self. to play on your computer directly you cloud go to 5-6 mbps or even up to 8 but depending on your computer they may not play well, I use media player classic 6.0 because windows media player is buggy, quick time is no problem. I have tried filming progressive and never been happy with it unless the camera and talent or object is not moving and no panning or camera movement. so this is the way I do it now

Hugh Mobley · April 20th, 2008, 07:02 PM

here are two clips, one an avi and the other a mov captured with cineform and rendered mpeg4, there is a noticeable difference between the two, same camera settings. they take afew minutes to load, be patient

http://www.hughmobley.com/flowers%20avi.html

http://www.hughmobley.com/flowers%20mov.html

Darko Debelic · April 21st, 2008, 04:47 PM

Thanks a lot Hugh. I use Final Cut Pro but I am pretty new to HDV so I'll have to do some more experimenting with settings and such.

Your workflow seems pretty straightforward so I must be doing something wrong. :-)

Anyway, I had a good look at the .AVI and .MOV clips you posted and the AVI seems more natural to me, the MOV having whites blown up and the blacks pretty squashed.

I'll do some shooting and I'll let you see some stuff ASAP. Thanks again.

Hugh Mobley · April 22nd, 2008, 06:17 PM

everyone seems to see things just a little different, what I am seeing in the mov clip is slightly sharper, althought someone could sharpen up an avi clip. I will be glad to share my picture profile settings if u you like.

March 31st, 2008, 12:51 AM	#1
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 462	Arboretum Clip Cal State Fullerton Arboretum clip, 38 mb takes a few minutes to load, they have some spectacular flowers there. Taken with Sony V1 http://www.hughmobley.com/arboretum.html __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com and www.hughmobley.com

April 20th, 2008, 02:13 PM	#3
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 462	sure, I film at 1080i sometimes auto, sometimes manual, I capture clips with cineform NEO HDV usually as an avi clip and only deinterlace with cineform. I edit in Vegas 8 as progressive 29.97. and render as mpeg 4 custom, usually 1 pass at 3 mbps progressive at around 550 x 380 aspect. Rendering at a higher bit rate will increase clip size where it takes too long to load. My dvd's of the same clips are coming out almost as good as these and are sd, but are very good. the raw m2t played directly from the camera, on my hd tv are outstanding. Another thing you can try if you have cineform is to cature or convert directly to mov. clips and edit those and then render to mpeg4, colors are little deeper, blacks are little blacker, and so on. you have to see for your self. to play on your computer directly you cloud go to 5-6 mbps or even up to 8 but depending on your computer they may not play well, I use media player classic 6.0 because windows media player is buggy, quick time is no problem. I have tried filming progressive and never been happy with it unless the camera and talent or object is not moving and no panning or camera movement. so this is the way I do it now __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com and www.hughmobley.com

April 20th, 2008, 07:02 PM	#4
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 462	V1 clips here are two clips, one an avi and the other a mov captured with cineform and rendered mpeg4, there is a noticeable difference between the two, same camera settings. they take afew minutes to load, be patient http://www.hughmobley.com/flowers%20avi.html http://www.hughmobley.com/flowers%20mov.html __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com and www.hughmobley.com

April 22nd, 2008, 06:17 PM	#6
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 462	everyone seems to see things just a little different, what I am seeing in the mov clip is slightly sharper, althought someone could sharpen up an avi clip. I will be glad to share my picture profile settings if u you like. __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com and www.hughmobley.com

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April 15th, 2008, 06:34 PM	#2
Darko Debelic New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Torino, Italy Posts: 11	Hello Hugh, I am very impressed by the high definition you achieve with your streaming clips. I have never managed to get that kind of sharpness with my V1 footage rendered for the web. Could I ask you to give some tips on what kind of workflow is needed to achieve that kind of quality? Thank you.

April 21st, 2008, 04:47 PM	#5
Darko Debelic New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Torino, Italy Posts: 11	Thanks a lot Hugh. I use Final Cut Pro but I am pretty new to HDV so I'll have to do some more experimenting with settings and such. Your workflow seems pretty straightforward so I must be doing something wrong. :-) Anyway, I had a good look at the .AVI and .MOV clips you posted and the AVI seems more natural to me, the MOV having whites blown up and the blacks pretty squashed. I'll do some shooting and I'll let you see some stuff ASAP. Thanks again.