HD200 and Primes - Help Me Understand, please. - Page 2

Tim Dashwood · November 27th, 2008, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun Roemich

So, as an update, my new JVC PL mount adaptor will be on it's way to me next week.
Thanks for all the help, folks! Especially Tim.

I'm glad I could help. It sounds like you got a great deal.
May I suggest you get a UK UltraBox 408 for the adapter. It doesn't come with foam like a pelican case but it is a lot cheaper.

I'm prepping for another music video with my HZ-CA13U tomorrow.

Shaun Roemich · November 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM

Tim: I'm pretty thrilled and thanks for putting the bug in Pete's ear.

I you happen to hear of any reasonably prices (think "cheap"... <laughs>) primes or short zooms coming available that you can vouch for, please keep me in mind.

It's interesting you mention a UK Case: I bought one years ago for my road switcher (UK model 822) and I've had nothing but issues with the hardware and handles. One of the side handles has come loose (bad rivet) and 3 of the locking knobs have failed. Obviously you've had better luck with yours.

Brian Luce · November 28th, 2008, 01:45 PM

You can also learn to live with the DOF provided natively. Not too bad. No 35mm spoken here:

Stuart Campbell · November 29th, 2008, 02:00 AM

This is an excellent point Brian.

Given the right lighting, subject matter and technical ability you can create the look of 35mm with any TV lens.

General rules of thumb include things like using a wider aperture and shooting towards the end of the zoom. Always, when using techniques such as this look to keep your shots still and concentrate on framing rather than any fancy moves!

We've shot a couple of bits in the past where people would have sworn it was shot with an adapter.

However, that said, it's not always possible to shoot using such methods!

Claude Mangold · December 1st, 2008, 06:17 AM

A little jewel from Ireland shot with Sony HDV, shows both how unimportant and important the 35mm dof is:

unimportant because story and characters are at the center of a film, not equipement - here the film triumphs

important because dof and other image aspects can convey so much additional subtext, and I sorely missed all this additional richness of expression in the film.

Nevertheless, "Once" shows again that "art" goes before equipment.

"Once" won an Oscar for the score/songs. Imdb: Once (2006)

Shaun Roemich · December 11th, 2008, 06:43 PM

Another update: The adaptor has arrived! Should be able to get down to our motion picture house next week to throw some primes and zooms on it. I'm pretty excited!

One thing I'm pleasantly surprised about is the heft of this thing. Significantly heavier than I thought and it seems to be incredibly well built.

For those of you who have already used it, any suggestions as I get ready to go in and try lenses? Should I limit my experimentation to 16mm lenses or should I check out 35mm's as well? Is there a significant quality difference between Century, Cooke, Zeiss and Angenieux lenses, either in primes or zooms? Has anyone tried the Canon PL mount digi-cinema lenses?

November 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM	#17
Shaun Roemich Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada Posts: 836	Tim: I'm pretty thrilled and thanks for putting the bug in Pete's ear. I you happen to hear of any reasonably prices (think "cheap"... <laughs>) primes or short zooms coming available that you can vouch for, please keep me in mind. It's interesting you mention a UK Case: I bought one years ago for my road switcher (UK model 822) and I've had nothing but issues with the hardware and handles. One of the side handles has come loose (bad rivet) and 3 of the locking knobs have failed. Obviously you've had better luck with yours. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich - Gearhead Visual Productions - Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada "Telling your stories since 1999" www.gearheadvisual.com

November 28th, 2008, 01:45 PM	#18
Brian Luce Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 983	You can also learn to live with the DOF provided natively. Not too bad. No 35mm spoken here: Attached Thumbnails

December 1st, 2008, 06:17 AM	#20
Claude Mangold Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Berlin and Geneva Posts: 150	Have you seen the film "Once" A little jewel from Ireland shot with Sony HDV, shows both how unimportant and important the 35mm dof is: unimportant because story and characters are at the center of a film, not equipement - here the film triumphs important because dof and other image aspects can convey so much additional subtext, and I sorely missed all this additional richness of expression in the film. Nevertheless, "Once" shows again that "art" goes before equipment. "Once" won an Oscar for the score/songs. Imdb: Once (2006)

December 11th, 2008, 06:43 PM	#21
Shaun Roemich Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada Posts: 836	Another update: The adaptor has arrived! Should be able to get down to our motion picture house next week to throw some primes and zooms on it. I'm pretty excited! One thing I'm pleasantly surprised about is the heft of this thing. Significantly heavier than I thought and it seems to be incredibly well built. For those of you who have already used it, any suggestions as I get ready to go in and try lenses? Should I limit my experimentation to 16mm lenses or should I check out 35mm's as well? Is there a significant quality difference between Century, Cooke, Zeiss and Angenieux lenses, either in primes or zooms? Has anyone tried the Canon PL mount digi-cinema lenses? __________________ Shaun C. Roemich - Gearhead Visual Productions - Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada "Telling your stories since 1999" www.gearheadvisual.com

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November 29th, 2008, 02:00 AM	#19
Stuart Campbell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 321	This is an excellent point Brian. Given the right lighting, subject matter and technical ability you can create the look of 35mm with any TV lens. General rules of thumb include things like using a wider aperture and shooting towards the end of the zoom. Always, when using techniques such as this look to keep your shots still and concentrate on framing rather than any fancy moves! We've shot a couple of bits in the past where people would have sworn it was shot with an adapter. However, that said, it's not always possible to shoot using such methods!