Big Jon Announces new stuff for Scarlet

Jerrod Cordell · July 2nd, 2008, 04:59 AM

This is everything on Big Jon's FAQs on the Scarletuser forums. Just thought I'd put it on these forums for everyone to see.

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Chris Hurd · July 2nd, 2008, 07:46 AM

Please don't copy & paste content that rightfully belongs to other sites. Just link to it. Thanks,

Jerrod Cordell · July 2nd, 2008, 09:09 AM

Whoops. Sorry. Didn't know.

Eric Stemen · July 2nd, 2008, 10:17 AM

Thank you for posting. Great info!!

Jon Fairhurst · July 2nd, 2008, 12:11 PM

Mining for the new information, here is what I found:

* Under 3 lbs.
* External ports for other recording options
* 1080p RGB recording
* Bullet proof ;)
* Will support 32 GB cards
* Half hour per 32 GB card (roughly 1 GB per minute => ~136 mbps)

I hope their development is continuing smoothly.

Where do I sign up to become a beta tester. :)

Kurth Bousman · July 4th, 2008, 09:03 PM

hey how 'bout built in lcd ?

Kelly Goden · July 6th, 2008, 09:55 AM

I have been hesitant to buy a digital film camera but it looks like this could be the one I go for.
Maybe not quite the digital equivalent of my Bolex but close enough. :)

Kurth Bousman · July 7th, 2008, 05:25 PM

Kelly - yea , I think it´s about time to retire it . It´s only a matter of time when film for film cameras will no longer be available anyway . Best sell her on ebay and be done with it.K

Tim Dashwood · July 8th, 2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurth Bousman

Kelly - yea , I think it´s about time to retire it . It´s only a matter of time when film for film cameras will no longer be available anyway . Best sell her on ebay and be done with it.K

But you can't hand crank a Scarlet! (On second thought that would be a great feature for a digital camera.)

Brian Drysdale · July 9th, 2008, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

But you can't hand crank a Scarlet! (On second thought that would be a great feature for a digital camera.)

The Kinetta was being marketed with that option.

Currently it looks like film will be around for a while yet, they're still making the cameras and you can get great rental deals.

Scott Anderson · July 9th, 2008, 04:49 PM

I don't see any reason why you couldn't hand crank Scarlet. What with possibilities of USB, Firewire, or heck, even wi-fi control, the possibilities are endless.

It's hard to imagine that Scarlet would not allow external-controlled speed ramps, if ramping is part of the equation at all. Much ado was made about faster frame rates, but so far ramping has not been mentioned. If that is the case, it would be rather trivial to tie that in to something like this:

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate

Or, maybe this:

http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/

Or, maybe some other USB crank interface that hasn't even been invented yet. Truly, I think this hand-crank feature is over-requested. Yeah, everybody loved that scene in Dracula. And wasn't there some goofy speed ramping stuff at the head of Saving Private Ryan? Other than that, I'm not sure how often it would get used.

Personally, I'd much rather have 2, 3 or 4 speeds programmable, then triggered either automatically from a laptop or handheld, or manually from some wired or wireless controller. If the ramps were all controlled in software, there's really no reason you couldn't even draw out speed ramps with bezier curves in software, then triggered wirelessly to the camera.

I can imagine watching an action scene play out, then hitting the (mouse, keyboard, iphone) button to trigger my pre-programmed ramp to 48, than again to trigger the slow-ish, accelerating ramp to, say, 112, then another to trigger the quick ramp back to 24. Lots of possibilities for super-cool stuff there...

Jon Fairhurst · July 9th, 2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Anderson

I don't see any reason why you couldn't hand crank Scarlet.

While that's true in theory, it's much easier to design your firmware for a fixed rate than a variable one. Lots of stuff has to happen between each frame interrupt, and there's no room for error. And who knows what hardware limits are imposed by the sensor and memory controller.

I think ramping would need to be in the spec from day one to make it viable. If halfway through the development somebody said, "oh, by the way, make the framerate rampable", the engineers would fall off their chairs and the schedule would unravel.

That's not to say that I wouldn't like the feature. ;)

Kurth Bousman · July 10th, 2008, 11:32 AM

hey guys - that's why we got keyframes ! Just give me a 180 fps . After that you can just about do anything , and better than even an arri hs !

Jon Fairhurst · July 10th, 2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurth Bousman

hey guys - that's why we got keyframes ! Just give me a 180 fps . After that you can just about do anything , and better than even an arri hs !

Well, yes and no. You need a lot of light at that rate - especially if you want low noise and a narrow aperture for a deep field. And you need a lot of fast storage.

I wouldn't use it often, but 180 fps would definitely rock for certain scenes.

Kurth Bousman · July 10th, 2008, 05:09 PM

film cameras have the same limitations

July 2nd, 2008, 04:59 AM	#1
Jerrod Cordell Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Titusville, FL Posts: 125	Big Jon Announces new stuff for Scarlet This is everything on Big Jon's FAQs on the Scarletuser forums. Just thought I'd put it on these forums for everyone to see. Note from Admin: text protected by copyright has been removed, and replaced by link to original: http://www.scarletuser.com/showthread.php?t=5

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July 2nd, 2008, 12:11 PM	#5
Jon Fairhurst Trustee Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 1,072	Mining for the new information, here is what I found: * Under 3 lbs. * External ports for other recording options * 1080p RGB recording * Bullet proof ;) * Will support 32 GB cards * Half hour per 32 GB card (roughly 1 GB per minute => ~136 mbps) I hope their development is continuing smoothly. Where do I sign up to become a beta tester. :) __________________ Jon Fairhurst FRESH FILMS WEEKLY AT COLONELCRUSH.COM.

July 4th, 2008, 09:03 PM	#6
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 542	hey how 'bout built in lcd ? __________________ kurth

July 7th, 2008, 05:25 PM	#8
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 542	Kelly - yea , I think it´s about time to retire it . It´s only a matter of time when film for film cameras will no longer be available anyway . Best sell her on ebay and be done with it.K __________________ kurth

July 2nd, 2008, 09:09 AM	#3
Jerrod Cordell Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Titusville, FL Posts: 125	Whoops. Sorry. Didn't know.

July 2nd, 2008, 10:17 AM	#4
Eric Stemen Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Elizabethtown ky Posts: 245	Thank you for posting. Great info!!

July 6th, 2008, 09:55 AM	#7
Kelly Goden Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 232	I have been hesitant to buy a digital film camera but it looks like this could be the one I go for. Maybe not quite the digital equivalent of my Bolex but close enough. :)

July 9th, 2008, 04:49 PM	#11
Scott Anderson Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 284	I don't see any reason why you couldn't hand crank Scarlet. What with possibilities of USB, Firewire, or heck, even wi-fi control, the possibilities are endless. It's hard to imagine that Scarlet would not allow external-controlled speed ramps, if ramping is part of the equation at all. Much ado was made about faster frame rates, but so far ramping has not been mentioned. If that is the case, it would be rather trivial to tie that in to something like this: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate Or, maybe this: http://www.contourdesign.com/shuttlepro/ Or, maybe some other USB crank interface that hasn't even been invented yet. Truly, I think this hand-crank feature is over-requested. Yeah, everybody loved that scene in Dracula. And wasn't there some goofy speed ramping stuff at the head of Saving Private Ryan? Other than that, I'm not sure how often it would get used. Personally, I'd much rather have 2, 3 or 4 speeds programmable, then triggered either automatically from a laptop or handheld, or manually from some wired or wireless controller. If the ramps were all controlled in software, there's really no reason you couldn't even draw out speed ramps with bezier curves in software, then triggered wirelessly to the camera. I can imagine watching an action scene play out, then hitting the (mouse, keyboard, iphone) button to trigger my pre-programmed ramp to 48, than again to trigger the slow-ish, accelerating ramp to, say, 112, then another to trigger the quick ramp back to 24. Lots of possibilities for super-cool stuff there...

July 10th, 2008, 11:32 AM	#13
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 542	hey guys - that's why we got keyframes ! Just give me a 180 fps . After that you can just about do anything , and better than even an arri hs ! __________________ kurth

July 10th, 2008, 05:09 PM	#15
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 542	film cameras have the same limitations __________________ kurth

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