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Troy Lamont · January 27th, 2004, 06:48 PM

Panasonic HD camcorder prototype...records to SD media
Just found this on Gizmodo's coverage of CES...an interesting tidbit I found while researching the Panasonic DSnap AV100 camcorder which records mpeg2 to SD cards...

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/even..._panasonic.php

The eye catching text was this:

" During the keynote they demonstrated a simmilar prototype that captured HDTV onto a 4GB SD card "

Troy

Rob Lohman · January 28th, 2004, 03:38 AM

So if they are using the current HDV standard to record on that
SD media (wouldn't want to get much lower with bandwidth)
you can record a whole of 13 minutes. That's not that great!

Masahiro Kikuchi · January 28th, 2004, 07:00 AM

Here's the pic. You can see "HD Dsnap" logo on the camera...
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...109/pana18.jpg

Frank Granovski · January 28th, 2004, 07:57 AM

Looks like a nice little cam---wide front lens element. But only 13 minutes?

Frank Granovski · January 28th, 2004, 08:00 AM

Oh. It's another MPEG2 cam---sorta like microMV---sorta. :-))

Heath McKnight · January 28th, 2004, 09:22 AM

Frank,

didn't you once say in Japan high definition also means great resolution, not HD as we know it?

heath

Christopher C. Murphy · January 28th, 2004, 09:30 AM

I have a feeling all the companies are going to use HDV in their lower models (the little hand cams) - instead of making a better than JVC model.

If that happens - I guess in one way, us JVC owners made a great choice to get the camera early. In another way, it sucks because we don't have a choice to upgrade.

However, NAB 2004 is coming...we'll see then for sure. By the way is anyone going to NAB here? I am going, so let me know and we'll hookup and either bitch at the companies or praise them in-person! I'm going with some friends, so the more the merrier.

Vegas means late night, alcohol, babes getting sun by the pool......damn, can't wait! It's FREEZZZZING up here in New England...

Murph

Heath McKnight · January 28th, 2004, 09:32 AM

It got cold again in S. Florida, but not like you guys. You have my sympathy, but remember we'll get hit by nuclear heat in the summer!

I am curious though about this camera; I didn't think Panasonic jumped onboard the HDV tech wagon.

heath

Christopher C. Murphy · January 28th, 2004, 10:20 AM

Panasonic getting on-board before the others might be a good thing - it's creditbility across the whole HDV format.

Now, no one can say "ah, but Panasonic isn't supporting it". That was something I read a few times online. At least now all companies making cameras are using HDV on cams.

I have a feeling Sony is going to make an HDV camera that uses the PD170 body and everything - it'll be priced like $2000 higher than the JVC one. The reason I think this is because they already put out their standard NTSC camera with the PD170 - they HAVE to be noticing the backlash of existing JVC customers complaining about the 1 chip design and lack of manual controls.

I'd bet within weeks we'll hear of a Sony HDV "pro" camera...having everything the JVC doesn't. I just feel it happening...get ready. Every trade magazine says, "HD" and no one is talking "NTSC"...HD is way sexier now and it'll sell way more cameras. I know everyone in film likes the 24p thing, but it just doesn't mean anything to everyone shooting for broadcast. Unless you shoot ultimately a film transfer, it's not a big deal to have on a camera. I'd bet Sony let's Panasonic keep their 24p status, but really gives them a run for their money with HDV - the perfect format for low-cost production of broadcast HD.

Oh, one last thing...all signs point to Optical disc recording on this HDV camera...no mini-tape.

I know, I'm rumoring a little here. But, I'm serious...within weeks we'll see something from Sony in my opinion! After the PD170 release without much fanfare...they need a "star" player for 2004-2006 to sell.

Murph

Heath McKnight · January 28th, 2004, 02:07 PM

13 minutes, though, makes me think of shooting a magazine of film. Length only, not quality, because I don't want to start a film vs. DV debate! ;-)

heath

Les Dit · January 28th, 2004, 02:18 PM

If it was using Mpeg4, it would be 26 min. To bad they are still using 1990's technology on these.
-Les

Robert Jackson · January 31st, 2004, 12:13 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : 13 minutes, though, makes me think of shooting a magazine of film. Length only, not quality, because I don't want to start a film vs. DV debate! ;-)

heath -->>>

Yeah, that's the first thought I had, too. Personally, I don't mind shooting on media that holds 10-15 minutes of footage. It makes media management much easier, IMO. When I record audio I do it on 64 Mb flash cards even though I could do it on much bigger cards and change less often. I just like having each scene on its own card. Makes pairing it up with the film much easier when it comes back from the lab.

January 27th, 2004, 06:48 PM	#1
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	Prototype HD camcorder @ CES? Panasonic HD camcorder prototype...records to SD media Just found this on Gizmodo's coverage of CES...an interesting tidbit I found while researching the Panasonic DSnap AV100 camcorder which records mpeg2 to SD cards... http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/even..._panasonic.php The eye catching text was this: " During the keynote they demonstrated a simmilar prototype that captured HDTV onto a 4GB SD card " Troy

January 28th, 2004, 03:38 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	So if they are using the current HDV standard to record on that SD media (wouldn't want to get much lower with bandwidth) you can record a whole of 13 minutes. That's not that great! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 28th, 2004, 09:22 AM	#6
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Frank, didn't you once say in Japan high definition also means great resolution, not HD as we know it? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 28th, 2004, 09:30 AM	#7
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	HDV models, NAB, sunny weather and beer I have a feeling all the companies are going to use HDV in their lower models (the little hand cams) - instead of making a better than JVC model. If that happens - I guess in one way, us JVC owners made a great choice to get the camera early. In another way, it sucks because we don't have a choice to upgrade. However, NAB 2004 is coming...we'll see then for sure. By the way is anyone going to NAB here? I am going, so let me know and we'll hookup and either bitch at the companies or praise them in-person! I'm going with some friends, so the more the merrier. Vegas means late night, alcohol, babes getting sun by the pool......damn, can't wait! It's FREEZZZZING up here in New England... Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 28th, 2004, 09:32 AM	#8
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	It got cold again in S. Florida, but not like you guys. You have my sympathy, but remember we'll get hit by nuclear heat in the summer! I am curious though about this camera; I didn't think Panasonic jumped onboard the HDV tech wagon. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 28th, 2004, 07:00 AM	#3
Masahiro Kikuchi New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 14	Here's the pic. You can see "HD Dsnap" logo on the camera... http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...109/pana18.jpg

January 28th, 2004, 07:57 AM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Looks like a nice little cam---wide front lens element. But only 13 minutes?

January 28th, 2004, 08:00 AM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Oh. It's another MPEG2 cam---sorta like microMV---sorta. :-))

January 28th, 2004, 10:20 AM	#9
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Panasonic getting on-board before the others might be a good thing - it's creditbility across the whole HDV format. Now, no one can say "ah, but Panasonic isn't supporting it". That was something I read a few times online. At least now all companies making cameras are using HDV on cams. I have a feeling Sony is going to make an HDV camera that uses the PD170 body and everything - it'll be priced like $2000 higher than the JVC one. The reason I think this is because they already put out their standard NTSC camera with the PD170 - they HAVE to be noticing the backlash of existing JVC customers complaining about the 1 chip design and lack of manual controls. I'd bet within weeks we'll hear of a Sony HDV "pro" camera...having everything the JVC doesn't. I just feel it happening...get ready. Every trade magazine says, "HD" and no one is talking "NTSC"...HD is way sexier now and it'll sell way more cameras. I know everyone in film likes the 24p thing, but it just doesn't mean anything to everyone shooting for broadcast. Unless you shoot ultimately a film transfer, it's not a big deal to have on a camera. I'd bet Sony let's Panasonic keep their 24p status, but really gives them a run for their money with HDV - the perfect format for low-cost production of broadcast HD. Oh, one last thing...all signs point to Optical disc recording on this HDV camera...no mini-tape. I know, I'm rumoring a little here. But, I'm serious...within weeks we'll see something from Sony in my opinion! After the PD170 release without much fanfare...they need a "star" player for 2004-2006 to sell. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 28th, 2004, 02:07 PM	#10
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	13 minutes, though, makes me think of shooting a magazine of film. Length only, not quality, because I don't want to start a film vs. DV debate! ;-) heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 28th, 2004, 02:18 PM	#11
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	If it was using Mpeg4, it would be 26 min. To bad they are still using 1990's technology on these. -Les

January 31st, 2004, 12:13 PM	#12
Robert Jackson Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 390	<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : 13 minutes, though, makes me think of shooting a magazine of film. Length only, not quality, because I don't want to start a film vs. DV debate! ;-) heath -->>> Yeah, that's the first thought I had, too. Personally, I don't mind shooting on media that holds 10-15 minutes of footage. It makes media management much easier, IMO. When I record audio I do it on 64 Mb flash cards even though I could do it on much bigger cards and change less often. I just like having each scene on its own card. Makes pairing it up with the film much easier when it comes back from the lab.