HDR-HC1 screen grab at DVinfo.net

Masahiro Kikuchi · May 27th, 2005, 05:49 AM

Enjoy! ;-)
http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00003c.JPG
http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00005c.JPG
http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00006c.JPG
http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00008c.JPG

Edwin Hernandez · May 27th, 2005, 07:18 AM

Thanks for the pics...

To me, it looks very "video" and very consumer.
Just a thought!
EDWIN

Chris Hurd · May 27th, 2005, 07:28 AM

Well, I've never been a big fan of screen-grabs, because there are so many reasons why they can look bad, and that might have nothing to do with the actual camera itself. So I wouldn't be too quick to make any jusdgements based on screen grabs off of the internet... in fact I think that's probably the single *worst* way to evaluate an image.

John McGinley · May 27th, 2005, 10:45 AM

It's an HDV camera right? How about an m2t file to look at?

Thomas Smet · May 27th, 2005, 01:40 PM

I do not think these are video grabs but still image mode grabs. The resolution of the images is 1440x810 which is one of the modes for still images. I think they made this mode because 1440x810 is 16x9 which means the cmos chip might have at least a native horizontal resolution of 1440. The 810 is then scaled down from 1080 to 810 to give stills that are 16x9 instead of anamorphic. Also the images do not seem to be 4:2:0 but a have their chroma blurred.

Radek Svoboda · May 27th, 2005, 02:30 PM

I looked at first image. I think it less than 1440, maybe 1280 wide.

The CMOS is interlaced so still resolution could be 540 pixels vertically at most. If it is scaled down from 1080 to 810 then 405 most. Who knows how much is compressed. They record to Memory Stick so they have to compress lot to fit in lot of pictures.

The image would have been 1440x405 if it was not scaled to 1280x360 or something.

I wonder, is camera already available in Japan? Does any Japanese eBay deler sell already?

Radek

Masahiro Kikuchi · May 27th, 2005, 07:40 PM

These image were shown at Sony dealer meeting in Tokyo.
Sony rep says, the camera was 85/100 prototype.
Screen grabs are shot in HDV mode on tape, then transfered to memorystick duo.
Maybe, that's why the image was cropped.
The image below was shot in still mode. It has full HD (1920x1080) resolution.
http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00066c.JPG
Radek, It will be available July 7 in Japan.

Thomas Smet · May 28th, 2005, 12:43 AM

It's too bad that latest image is from the still image mode. It actually looks pretty good compared to those other images. Of course there is a lot less detail to compress so that helps a little.

This image also has the massive chroma blurring that the other images have. Do you know if this is done in the camera when transfered to media stick or if the images were adjusted after capture by software?

Thanks for the image.

Duane Smith · May 28th, 2005, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek Svoboda

I looked at first image. I think it less than 1440, maybe 1280 wide.

No....that image is definately 1440x810. Open it in an image editor and look at the pixel dimentions. Clearly, it's 1440x810.

So did you mean to say that the image "looks" like the camera only captures 1280 and then interpolates up to 1440?

Or something completely different?

Radek Svoboda · May 28th, 2005, 11:59 AM

Masahiro cleared it. These stills from HDV footage. I asume 1440x540 pixel 1 field images, probably highly compressed before going to Memory Stick. Need some clips to judge camera.

Radek

Jack Zhang · May 28th, 2005, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masahiro Kikuchi

It will be available July 7 in Japan.

I think it will release July 7th worldwide! But I agree, this camera might be good for progressive scan EDTV, but not for full-rez HD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek Svoboda

Need some clips to judge camera.

Radek, no one can get real footage without the camera! I think you won't expect any real footage until 2 days after the official release of the camera worldwide.

Mike Farrington · May 28th, 2005, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

...no one can get real footage without the camera! I think you won't expect any real footage until 2 days after the official release of the camera worldwide.

So it is being released worldwide on the same day? The Japanese market doesn't get it any earlier than the rest of the world?

Mark Kubat · May 28th, 2005, 09:43 PM

Thanks to everyone for the advance info.

Kaku Ito was incredible last summer giving us the scoop on the Panasonic GS400 waaay before it got to these shores and he did the same with the Sony FX1...

Advance reports are greatly appreciated!

Mark Kubat · May 28th, 2005, 09:58 PM

reminds me of the still grabs we saw from FX1 last year of the temple, etc. - the colors look good - Chris Hurd's point I think about the RGB filter thingy is well noted and I don't think the single-chip CMOS will be a big hindrance - not at this price point, at least...

I like what I see so far.

I very much want to see more.

Steven White · May 30th, 2005, 06:35 PM

That still of the can looks pretty good. I can't see much if any chromatic aberration, and it looks very sharp - none of the 1.33 PA softening. You can see some chroma-bleed around the reds in the can due to the colour space, and there looks to be a little sharpening around the black characters... but I think it looks sharper than the FX1 images.

I can't say the first set of images look as good - but there's likely some field-blending and other interpolation going on, as they're 1440x810.

-Steve

May 27th, 2005, 05:49 AM	#1
Masahiro Kikuchi New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 14	HDR-HC1 screen grabs Enjoy! ;-) http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00003c.JPG http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00005c.JPG http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00006c.JPG http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00008c.JPG Last edited by Masahiro Kikuchi; May 27th, 2005 at 07:35 AM.

May 27th, 2005, 07:28 AM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Well, I've never been a big fan of screen-grabs, because there are so many reasons why they can look bad, and that might have nothing to do with the actual camera itself. So I wouldn't be too quick to make any jusdgements based on screen grabs off of the internet... in fact I think that's probably the single worst way to evaluate an image. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 28th, 2005, 09:43 PM	#13
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	We need to contact our "man in Japan" Kaku Ito Thanks to everyone for the advance info. Kaku Ito was incredible last summer giving us the scoop on the Panasonic GS400 waaay before it got to these shores and he did the same with the Sony FX1... Advance reports are greatly appreciated!

May 28th, 2005, 09:58 PM	#14
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	gosh, this looks pretty good to me reminds me of the still grabs we saw from FX1 last year of the temple, etc. - the colors look good - Chris Hurd's point I think about the RGB filter thingy is well noted and I don't think the single-chip CMOS will be a big hindrance - not at this price point, at least... I like what I see so far. I very much want to see more.

May 27th, 2005, 07:18 AM	#2
Edwin Hernandez Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Panama City, Panama Posts: 162	Thanks for the pics... To me, it looks very "video" and very consumer. Just a thought! EDWIN

May 27th, 2005, 10:45 AM	#4
John McGinley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 142	It's an HDV camera right? How about an m2t file to look at?

May 27th, 2005, 01:40 PM	#5
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	I do not think these are video grabs but still image mode grabs. The resolution of the images is 1440x810 which is one of the modes for still images. I think they made this mode because 1440x810 is 16x9 which means the cmos chip might have at least a native horizontal resolution of 1440. The 810 is then scaled down from 1080 to 810 to give stills that are 16x9 instead of anamorphic. Also the images do not seem to be 4:2:0 but a have their chroma blurred.

May 27th, 2005, 02:30 PM	#6
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	I looked at first image. I think it less than 1440, maybe 1280 wide. The CMOS is interlaced so still resolution could be 540 pixels vertically at most. If it is scaled down from 1080 to 810 then 405 most. Who knows how much is compressed. They record to Memory Stick so they have to compress lot to fit in lot of pictures. The image would have been 1440x405 if it was not scaled to 1280x360 or something. I wonder, is camera already available in Japan? Does any Japanese eBay deler sell already? Radek

May 27th, 2005, 07:40 PM	#7
Masahiro Kikuchi New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 14	These image were shown at Sony dealer meeting in Tokyo. Sony rep says, the camera was 85/100 prototype. Screen grabs are shot in HDV mode on tape, then transfered to memorystick duo. Maybe, that's why the image was cropped. The image below was shot in still mode. It has full HD (1920x1080) resolution. http://www.sonyshop.c-tec.co.jp/cont.../DSC00066c.JPG Radek, It will be available July 7 in Japan.

May 28th, 2005, 12:43 AM	#8
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	It's too bad that latest image is from the still image mode. It actually looks pretty good compared to those other images. Of course there is a lot less detail to compress so that helps a little. This image also has the massive chroma blurring that the other images have. Do you know if this is done in the camera when transfered to media stick or if the images were adjusted after capture by software? Thanks for the image.

May 28th, 2005, 11:59 AM	#10
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	Masahiro cleared it. These stills from HDV footage. I asume 1440x540 pixel 1 field images, probably highly compressed before going to Memory Stick. Need some clips to judge camera. Radek

May 30th, 2005, 06:35 PM	#15
Steven White Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 547	That still of the can looks pretty good. I can't see much if any chromatic aberration, and it looks very sharp - none of the 1.33 PA softening. You can see some chroma-bleed around the reds in the can due to the colour space, and there looks to be a little sharpening around the black characters... but I think it looks sharper than the FX1 images. I can't say the first set of images look as good - but there's likely some field-blending and other interpolation going on, as they're 1440x810. -Steve