This XL-H1 camera does everything my Z1U camera does....

Michael Maier · December 17th, 2005, 04:42 PM

Actually it's called ProHD to differentiate from “normal” (or the first flavor) HDV, which is 1080i. ProHD also has different GOP, so I think JVC just didn’t want people to think it was the old HDV like in the Sony or Canon, but real progressive and more efficient HDV. In my opinion to say ProHD is HDV is like saying DVCPRO is DV. It is, but then again, it’s not.

Steve Rosen · December 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM

The Sony goes to f11 before closing. The Canon goes to f9.5 before closing.

Canon says, and it's true, that to take full advantage of HDV and the lens (true of all lenses) it's better to shoot between t4 and t9 - and use ND externally if necessary - very good professional advice, actually..... so this isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.

So...in my opinion, the Sony lens is better for moviemaking out the box.

I've been shooting a little with a friend's Sony. It takes nice pictures, actually, and Sony is noted for very few drop-outs - I have a DSR-300 (with, what else, a Canon lens) that I've shot a lot with for 8 years and I don't think I've had more than 2 or 3 drop-outs in all that time.

But, the XL's lens is far superior to the Sony's in a lot of ways. It's true it isn't very wide, but generally I tend to move closer in on things anyway, I don't like a loose frame (and if you look closly at feature films you'll see that is true for most cinematographers and directors).. I would rather have a lens that's designed for the majority of the stuff I shoot and not a compromise in order to accomodate the few times I need something wider.

This is my first post in this forum. FYI, I am a documentary filmmaker and have worked as a DP in 35 and 16 for over 30 years. In my opinion, the Canon ain't perfect, but it's the one I chose because it "feels" like a camera. I shot a doc last year with the 100A, and while I really did like the pictures it produced, the Panasonic camera felt cheesy to me. The lens clunks and the loose front element and the fit and finish of the camera turned me off. Just my opinion...

Joe Brockert · December 18th, 2005, 12:44 AM

there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon.

Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1?

Joe

Joe Brockert · December 18th, 2005, 12:46 AM

[QUOTE=[there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon.]

Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1?

Joe

Barry Green · December 18th, 2005, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Brockert

Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1?

Only for 1080/60i. No Sony product will play 1080/24F or 1080/30F.

If you shoot 1080/24F or 1080/30F, the only product of any type on the market that can play it back is the XLH1 camera.

Joe Brockert · December 18th, 2005, 07:53 AM

Thanks Barry. It was there all the time but I'm too much of a newbe to really see it unless it's pointed out.

Joe

December 17th, 2005, 04:42 PM	#16
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Actually it's called ProHD to differentiate from “normal” (or the first flavor) HDV, which is 1080i. ProHD also has different GOP, so I think JVC just didn’t want people to think it was the old HDV like in the Sony or Canon, but real progressive and more efficient HDV. In my opinion to say ProHD is HDV is like saying DVCPRO is DV. It is, but then again, it’s not.

December 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM	#17
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	The Sony goes to f11 before closing. The Canon goes to f9.5 before closing. Canon says, and it's true, that to take full advantage of HDV and the lens (true of all lenses) it's better to shoot between t4 and t9 - and use ND externally if necessary - very good professional advice, actually..... so this isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned. So...in my opinion, the Sony lens is better for moviemaking out the box. I've been shooting a little with a friend's Sony. It takes nice pictures, actually, and Sony is noted for very few drop-outs - I have a DSR-300 (with, what else, a Canon lens) that I've shot a lot with for 8 years and I don't think I've had more than 2 or 3 drop-outs in all that time. But, the XL's lens is far superior to the Sony's in a lot of ways. It's true it isn't very wide, but generally I tend to move closer in on things anyway, I don't like a loose frame (and if you look closly at feature films you'll see that is true for most cinematographers and directors).. I would rather have a lens that's designed for the majority of the stuff I shoot and not a compromise in order to accomodate the few times I need something wider. This is my first post in this forum. FYI, I am a documentary filmmaker and have worked as a DP in 35 and 16 for over 30 years. In my opinion, the Canon ain't perfect, but it's the one I chose because it "feels" like a camera. I shot a doc last year with the 100A, and while I really did like the pictures it produced, the Panasonic camera felt cheesy to me. The lens clunks and the loose front element and the fit and finish of the camera turned me off. Just my opinion...

December 18th, 2005, 12:44 AM	#18
Joe Brockert New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bellevue, Washington, United States Posts: 13	there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon. Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1? Joe

December 18th, 2005, 12:46 AM	#19
Joe Brockert New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bellevue, Washington, United States Posts: 13	[QUOTE=[there isn't a deck on the market that will play 24F or 30F footage from the Canon.] Won't the Sony HVR-10MU work with the XLH1? Joe

December 18th, 2005, 07:53 AM	#21
Joe Brockert New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bellevue, Washington, United States Posts: 13	Thanks Barry. It was there all the time but I'm too much of a newbe to really see it unless it's pointed out. Joe