**OS X 10.3 WARNING --- Read First --- How to Install 10.3** at DVinfo.net

Jeff Donald · October 24th, 2003, 04:56 PM

If you run Default Folder X At start up none of your Applications will run, including Finder. Disable Default Folder X in System Preferences.

Heath McKnight · October 24th, 2003, 07:27 PM

Whoa! Thanks for the warning. You may want to make that a permanent thing up top of this thread.

heath

Jeff Donald · October 25th, 2003, 05:27 PM

The steps to correctly upgrade from 10.2.X to Panther, 10.3

1.) Boot into single user and run fsck -y.

2.) Reboot out of single user

3.) Start up Disk Utility and repair permission on the drive.

4.) Reboot and run 10.3 installer disk 1 (machine will reboot).

5.) Run 10.3 installer (this should happen automatically).

6.) Insert disks in the order asked. The machine will reboot at the end of the install sequence. After reboot insert any disks asked for.

7.) At the end of the install sequence reboot the machine and run fsck-y. If it won't run, try fsck -f

8.) Run Disk Utilities and at the end reboot computer.

9.) If there are problems (finder quits etc.) run Disk Utilities again and repair the permissions again. I had to repair permissions 3 times in a row to get the OS stable.

10.) Make sure Default Folder X is uninstalled or disabled or version 1.9 or you will have major problems.

Alan Tran · October 25th, 2003, 09:55 PM

how do i acess fsck -y?

and what does it do

Jeff Donald · October 26th, 2003, 12:46 AM

At startup hold down the Apple key, option key and S key. This will launch single user mode. After about 30 seconds the prompt will appear and type fsck -y (yes there is a space between k and y). The system will check directories and such and if it report OK, reboot the computer. If it said it repaired the HD then run fsck -y again. Keep running it until HD OK appears. If after 6 to 10 attempts it does not report HD OK you have serious problems. Run Disk Warrior and repair the drive.

Alan Tran · October 26th, 2003, 12:47 AM

is this any different than repairing permissions

Jeff Donald · October 26th, 2003, 12:59 AM

Yes, two separate functions. That's why you have to run both operations before and after the upgrade.

Alan Tran · October 26th, 2003, 01:25 AM

thanks
i havent gotten panther yet...still waiting to get my free copy :)

(apple employee)

Jeff Donald · October 26th, 2003, 06:11 AM

I wasn't clear on this. When you're in Single User mode and you need to reboot, just type reboot at the prompt.

Jeff Price · October 27th, 2003, 11:11 AM

Jeff,

Did you run a clean install, an archive and install, or just an update installation?

John Locke · October 27th, 2003, 11:37 AM

Jeff,

Does that same warning and same instructions apply to upgrading to 10.3 from 10.1.5?

Jeff Donald · October 27th, 2003, 11:39 AM

I've had less (almost none) problems using Clean Install. However, my laptop didn't have enough room to do a Clean Install, so I had to do an update. Thanks for catching that. Clean Install is almost always the most trouble free method of installing a new OS.

Ted Springer · October 27th, 2003, 01:00 PM

Hmmm... maybe I should wait until Apple fixes this bug before I buy. I don't like paying for software that has not been tested. 10.2.8, Quicktime 6.4. What is Apple doing? Are they just trying to get things "out the door" as soon as possible? In my experience it's always been painless to upgrade the OS, and there was no danger of rendering the entire thing helpless.

Jeff Donald · October 27th, 2003, 01:32 PM

This is not an Apple bug. Many of these 3rd party software applications do not follow Apple Developer guidelines. The end results is that when Apple upgrades, the hack bites the developers (and users) in the *ss.

Mike Butler · November 26th, 2003, 05:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Alan Tran : thanks
i havent gotten panther yet...still waiting to get my free copy :)

(apple employee) -->>>

Hee hee!

I am tempted to get the educational version ($69) or should I say have my wife (a teacher) get it.

October 24th, 2003, 04:56 PM	#1
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	OS X 10.3 WARNING --- Read First If you run Default Folder X At start up none of your Applications will run, including Finder. Disable Default Folder X in System Preferences. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 24th, 2003, 07:27 PM	#2
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Whoa! Thanks for the warning. You may want to make that a permanent thing up top of this thread. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 25th, 2003, 05:27 PM	#3
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The steps to correctly upgrade from 10.2.X to Panther, 10.3 1.) Boot into single user and run fsck -y. 2.) Reboot out of single user 3.) Start up Disk Utility and repair permission on the drive. 4.) Reboot and run 10.3 installer disk 1 (machine will reboot). 5.) Run 10.3 installer (this should happen automatically). 6.) Insert disks in the order asked. The machine will reboot at the end of the install sequence. After reboot insert any disks asked for. 7.) At the end of the install sequence reboot the machine and run fsck-y. If it won't run, try fsck -f 8.) Run Disk Utilities and at the end reboot computer. 9.) If there are problems (finder quits etc.) run Disk Utilities again and repair the permissions again. I had to repair permissions 3 times in a row to get the OS stable. 10.) Make sure Default Folder X is uninstalled or disabled or version 1.9 or you will have major problems. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 26th, 2003, 12:46 AM	#5
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	At startup hold down the Apple key, option key and S key. This will launch single user mode. After about 30 seconds the prompt will appear and type fsck -y (yes there is a space between k and y). The system will check directories and such and if it report OK, reboot the computer. If it said it repaired the HD then run fsck -y again. Keep running it until HD OK appears. If after 6 to 10 attempts it does not report HD OK you have serious problems. Run Disk Warrior and repair the drive. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 26th, 2003, 12:59 AM	#7
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Yes, two separate functions. That's why you have to run both operations before and after the upgrade. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 25th, 2003, 09:55 PM	#4
Alan Tran Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 121	how do i acess fsck -y? and what does it do

October 26th, 2003, 12:47 AM	#6
Alan Tran Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 121	is this any different than repairing permissions

October 26th, 2003, 01:25 AM	#8
Alan Tran Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 121	thanks i havent gotten panther yet...still waiting to get my free copy :) (apple employee)

October 26th, 2003, 06:11 AM	#9
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I wasn't clear on this. When you're in Single User mode and you need to reboot, just type reboot at the prompt. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 27th, 2003, 11:11 AM	#10
Jeff Price Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chico, California Posts: 357	Jeff, Did you run a clean install, an archive and install, or just an update installation? __________________ Jeff Price Flickerflix Nature Videos flickerflix@yahoo.com

October 27th, 2003, 11:37 AM	#11
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Jeff, Does that same warning and same instructions apply to upgrading to 10.3 from 10.1.5? __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

October 27th, 2003, 11:39 AM	#12
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I've had less (almost none) problems using Clean Install. However, my laptop didn't have enough room to do a Clean Install, so I had to do an update. Thanks for catching that. Clean Install is almost always the most trouble free method of installing a new OS. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 27th, 2003, 01:00 PM	#13
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	Hmmm... maybe I should wait until Apple fixes this bug before I buy. I don't like paying for software that has not been tested. 10.2.8, Quicktime 6.4. What is Apple doing? Are they just trying to get things "out the door" as soon as possible? In my experience it's always been painless to upgrade the OS, and there was no danger of rendering the entire thing helpless.

October 27th, 2003, 01:32 PM	#14
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	This is not an Apple bug. Many of these 3rd party software applications do not follow Apple Developer guidelines. The end results is that when Apple upgrades, the hack bites the developers (and users) in the ss. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem* Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 26th, 2003, 05:01 PM	#15
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	<<<-- Originally posted by Alan Tran : thanks i havent gotten panther yet...still waiting to get my free copy :) (apple employee) -->>> Hee hee! I am tempted to get the educational version ($69) or should I say have my wife (a teacher) get it. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."