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Takeshi Fukushima · December 23rd, 2002, 10:23 AM

i used to browse through threads of users complaining about black bars appearing under the pictures. It didn't concern me either until I reinstalled the computer or sent my camera for a checkup to canon. So you recon I send the camera back? Did you all come up with a definite reason and/or solution to this?
Thanks in advance.
Takeshi

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 23rd, 2002, 10:32 AM

This flaw is inherent to the XL1S CCD block. (The XL1 has black bars on the left and right sides.) You will likely not gain anything by sending your camera back. I was pretty upset when I first realized it too--still am! As you probably remember, DVInfo.net Community members discussed this issue extensively last spring/summer. See http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=1482 and http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=1743.

Chris Hurd · December 23rd, 2002, 11:08 AM

Some users may consider this issue to be a flaw, but Canon does not; there is no fix or repair to be had and many other camcorder models exhibit this "feature" as well (such as the Sony VX1000). Sending the camera in to Canon service will not change anything as there is no modification available.

The black bars are at the edges of the frame and will not appear in the TV-safe area of any video monitor or television. You may see them on a computer screen, but never on a video monitor. If you're doing video for web delivery or any application which is viewed on a computer screen, Canon recommends cropping the image to the standard TV-safe area.

Although the XL1 and XL1S have this issue, the GL2 does not. Hope this helps,

Andrew Petrie · December 23rd, 2002, 04:55 PM

I was just about to post on the board about this very same issue. It's said if the heads ever need aligning, it's within the first few weeks/months of use to fine-tune from the factory. I assumed I was one of the unfortunate individuals who would have had to send it in. But if nothing can be done about it, I'll just have to grit my teeth. It's quite upsetting, Canon's flagship camera having this annoying little glitch

My XL1s has a QF manufacturing stamp on it, so it's one of the newer manufactured cameras from this year, this 'feature' doesnt seem to have gone away :)

Don Palomaki · December 23rd, 2002, 06:17 PM

Is the post about a black bar UNDER the picture, or at each side?

Justin Chin · December 31st, 2002, 02:51 PM

I don't think the bar issue is totally based on the camera.

Read this post:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&postid=36292#post36292

December 23rd, 2002, 10:23 AM	#1
Takeshi Fukushima Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 86	black bar under picture... i used to browse through threads of users complaining about black bars appearing under the pictures. It didn't concern me either until I reinstalled the computer or sent my camera for a checkup to canon. So you recon I send the camera back? Did you all come up with a definite reason and/or solution to this? Thanks in advance. Takeshi

December 23rd, 2002, 10:32 AM	#2
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	This flaw is inherent to the XL1S CCD block. (The XL1 has black bars on the left and right sides.) You will likely not gain anything by sending your camera back. I was pretty upset when I first realized it too--still am! As you probably remember, DVInfo.net Community members discussed this issue extensively last spring/summer. See http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=1482 and http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=1743. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 23rd, 2002, 11:08 AM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Some users may consider this issue to be a flaw, but Canon does not; there is no fix or repair to be had and many other camcorder models exhibit this "feature" as well (such as the Sony VX1000). Sending the camera in to Canon service will not change anything as there is no modification available. The black bars are at the edges of the frame and will not appear in the TV-safe area of any video monitor or television. You may see them on a computer screen, but never on a video monitor. If you're doing video for web delivery or any application which is viewed on a computer screen, Canon recommends cropping the image to the standard TV-safe area. Although the XL1 and XL1S have this issue, the GL2 does not. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 23rd, 2002, 04:55 PM	#4
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	Me too! I was just about to post on the board about this very same issue. It's said if the heads ever need aligning, it's within the first few weeks/months of use to fine-tune from the factory. I assumed I was one of the unfortunate individuals who would have had to send it in. But if nothing can be done about it, I'll just have to grit my teeth. It's quite upsetting, Canon's flagship camera having this annoying little glitch My XL1s has a QF manufacturing stamp on it, so it's one of the newer manufactured cameras from this year, this 'feature' doesnt seem to have gone away :) __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

December 31st, 2002, 02:51 PM	#6
Justin Chin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 227	I don't think the bar issue is totally based on the camera. Read this post: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&postid=36292#post36292 __________________ justin www.monsterrocket.com Filmmaker \| Cinematographer

December 23rd, 2002, 06:17 PM	#5
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,487	Is the post about a black bar UNDER the picture, or at each side?