DV-L Sun, 18 Feb 2001 Volume 1 : Number 770
In this issue:
Re: Premiere Q
Audio Problems/Loud Hissing Sound/ DC1000DV
Re: editing woes
Re: PC133 RAM
Re: PC133 RAM
Re: VX1000 to VX2000
Re: xl-1 purchase
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Thank you!!!
P6, Win 2K & Real-time
RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
RE: editing woes
Glidecam V-8
RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Canopus DVRaptor 2.1 Premiere 6 Beta Drivers
16:9 = 1.77 or 1.89
Re: xl-1 purchase
Camera Repair In London
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
RE: it is REPORTED that MVT3 has NOT been certified for 98SE
RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: 16:9 = 1.77 or 1.89
Re: To digest or not to digest.. (was: List courtesy)
RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
RE: To digest or not to digest.. (was: List courtesy)
Paddles
VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
Re: To digest or not to digest.. (was: List courtesy)
Re: it is REPORTED that MVT3 has NOT been certified for 98SE
Re: How to obtain colors as seen in Gladiator/Ford Commercials -
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
NLE on a Notebook
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
RE: VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
Re: NLE on a Notebook
16:9 = 1.77 or 1.89
Re: How to obtain colors as seen in Gladiator/Ford Commercials -
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
rt2000 mvt3.0
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
How to obtain colors as seen in Adobe article (orphanage)
Problem with Timex Sinclair
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: How to obtain colors as seen in Gladiator/Ford Commercials -
Old Timer's Diseases
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
"Magic Bullet: Film Look
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Re: VX 2000 and Comparing to others
Re: xl-1 purchase
List courtesy: Cut! Cut! Cut! Cut!
Maybe OT: Screening faciltities
RE: Maybe OT: Screening faciltities
RE: Old Timer's Diseases
RE: Old Timer's Diseases
RE: Old Timer's Diseases
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:29:38 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Premiere Q
Message-ID: <003901c098c4$3a5eb0b0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
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For starters..
Are you typing enough text to overfill the title box?
If not use spaces to achieve that.
Are you making correct timeline entry? In point/outpoint?
To amend the duration drag in/out or chose clip>duration.
DE
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From: Beno Saradzic=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: Premiere Q
I am having this weird problem with rolling title in Premiere - I have =
specified 200 frames pre-roll (PAL, 8 seconds) but it's being ignored =
when I execute the sequence. The title starts moving up immediately =
without any delay.
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To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 = 12:58=20 PM
Subject: Premiere Q
I am having this weird problem with = rolling title=20 in Premiere - I have specified 200 frames pre-roll (PAL, 8 seconds) = but it's=20 being ignored when I execute the sequence. The title starts moving up=20 immediately without any delay.
What am I doing wrong?
thanks,
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 04:21:38 -0600
From: "boy"
To:
Subject: Audio Problems/Loud Hissing Sound/ DC1000DV
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This is my problem, a very loud hissing sound with the output of my =
video/audio...the audio is there and faint under the hissing sound. I =
checked for a ground loop, nope it wasn't that, I checked my TV monitor, =
my sound card...I even went as far to record the audio from my camcorder =
to the line-in on my sound card...that played back fine with no hissing =
sound. I even imported a wav file into Premier 6 and added it to some =
video footage that I grabbed with no audio....once again upon export =
thru the outputs of the bluebox it added this loud hissing sound, the =
hissing is also erratic if that will help anyone. I have a regular =
camcorder HI 8 Sony TRV 81 with RCA jacks and don't know anyone local =
that has a DV camcorder where I could check the DV to see its maybe the =
bluebox or the card itself. Any idea's would be of great help since I'm =
new at this and want to get on learning. Thanks for listening.
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This is my problem, a very = loud hissing=20 sound with the output of my video/audio...the audio is there and faint = under the=20 hissing sound. I checked for a ground loop, nope it wasn't that, I = checked=20 my TV monitor, my sound card...I even went as far to record the audio = from my=20 camcorder to the line-in on my sound card...that played back fine with = no=20 hissing sound. I even imported a wav file into Premier 6 and added = it to=20 some video footage that I grabbed with no audio....once again upon = export thru=20 the outputs of the bluebox it added this loud hissing sound, the hissing = is also=20 erratic if that will help anyone. I have a regular camcorder HI 8 = Sony TRV=20 81 with RCA jacks and don't know anyone local that has a DV camcorder = where I=20 could check the DV to see its maybe the bluebox or the card = itself. Any=20 idea's would be of great help since I'm new at this and want to get on=20 learning. Thanks for = listening.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:35:47 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: editing woes
Message-ID: <004401c098d5$f78ddf60$51a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: mensa babe
(....)
>(I know, I know, I should have made clones from the beginning, but it's so
>expensive when you have 50 hours and no budget)
>
It doesn't have you to cost an arm and a leg. What do I say, it doesn't have
to cost you more than ONE additional tape (and a second
player/recorder/camera and patience, but dubbing can be done while you're
doing all the odd things around. Same as copying to VHS...). After copying
tape 1 to a new tape, you can use tape #1 as the tape for dubbing # 2 to,
etc.
FWIW
TonGuiking
>If anyone understands this dilemma and has suggestions, I would be very
>grateful. Please send a CC: of your reply to me directly, since I only get
>the digest in two days, and I'm meeting with my editor tomorrow at noon.
>
>A huge THANK YOU!!!
>
>Diana.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:48:45 -0500
From: George Smith
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: PC133 RAM
Message-ID: <3A8E732C.EBE7CA5D@us.net>
> PC133 ram backward compatible with PC100?....
> Can anyone shed some light on this subject? Will I damage my computer, can it possibly slow it down. Is she correct that PC-133 chips are the same or backward compatible?
> Bob S. >>
Bob,
I just bought a PC133/256 chip from Crucial and found that the PC133 ram is backwardly compatible to the PC100 bus.
I was concerned at first, because the latency of the PC133 / 2-2-2 ram read as 3-2-2 rather than 2-2-2 in the Apple System Profiler in my G4/450 dual processor, but it is actually 2-2-2. Apparently, the PC100 bus identifies the extra capacity of the PC133 memory as having an extra latency cycle in the first position, but it
doesn't...
The tech support at Crucial confirmed this anomaly, and when I tested the performance of the PC133 in the PC100 bus - it was identical with PC100 2-2-2 chips. BTW, the tech support guys at Crucial were terrific, they have a very comprehensive faq section on their website, ,
I wanted to warn you in case you looked at the System Profiler and thought something was wrong.
George Smith,
Filmsmith
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:41:15 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PC133 RAM
Message-ID:
>
>
>I just bought a PC133/256 chip from Crucial and found that the PC133
>ram is backwardly compatible to the PC100 bus.
>
George,
Can you mix PC100 and PC133 I have 256 PC100 and want to add another
256 in my G4?
John
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:54:39 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: VX1000 to VX2000
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There are certainly some advantages in the VX-2000 but the VX-1000 is =
still a good camera. I have one and I wouldn't trade it unless I it =
wouldn't do the job at hand. If I didn't have a camera I would certainly =
go for the VX-2000 because of the better low light performance, 48 KHz =
audio, and the flip out LCD screen as compared to the VX-1000.
Walt
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From: Robert Love=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:39 PM
Subject: VX1000 to VX2000
Hey All-
I have a Sony VX1000 in like new condition. We had purchased it just =
prior to starting a shoot (which fell through at the last minute) and =
since have only toyed with it a bit.
I keep looking at the VX2000 and was wondering if I should "trade up". =
And if so, how should I get rid of my VX1000? Any suggestions? If =
possible, please email me direct. Don't want to take up good list =
space/time.
Thanks a lot!
Robert
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There are certainly some advantages in = the VX-2000=20 but the VX-1000 is still a good camera. I have one and I wouldn't trade = it=20 unless I it wouldn't do the job at hand. If I didn't have a = camera I would=20 certainly go for the VX-2000 because of the better low light = performance, 48 KHz=20 audio, and the flip out LCD screen as compared to the = VX-1000.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robert Love
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 = 3:39=20 PM
Subject: VX1000 to VX2000
Hey All-
I have a Sony VX1000 in like new = condition. We=20 had purchased it just prior to starting a shoot (which fell through at = the=20 last minute) and since have only toyed with it a bit.
I keep looking at the VX2000 and was = wondering if=20 I should "trade up". And if so, how should I get rid of my VX1000? Any = suggestions? If possible, please email me direct. Don't want to take = up good=20 list space/time.
Thanks a lot!
Robert
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:22:48 -0500
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: xl-1 purchase
Message-ID: <3A8E9748.5254FDF8@cox.rr.com>
> Also, if you buy the manual lens, you lose some of the
> electronic functions, as I understand.
If you buy the manual lens, you get a manual lens. So you lose
the electronic functions that depend on an automated lens, like
auto focus. But with the Canon manual lens you do not lose
functions like slow shutter speed that are not related to lens
automation, which are lost with some other third party manual
lenses that are not integrated with the XL1 body's electronics.
The B&W viewfinder is a significant part of the package cost,
check whether or not you really need it.
You should do a feature-by-feature comparison of the Canon XL1
and alternative camcorders such as the PC150, JVC, etc. and
decide which one best meets your overall needs. Also, give the
ergonomics a fair test (allow some learning time) - they are
different.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:54:36 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <3A8E9EBC.35D48748@adent.com>
Might the > be picked up in the string (or even the >> or >>> or >>>> :-) and drop the duplicate footers? Again, this is not something *I'm* terribly passionate about...I couldn't care
less. These are just suggestions to get around human nature. Nobody likes to nag or be nagged (okay, some folks like to nag ;-) and everybody (but you and I ;-) forgets now and then.
mhood
Rik Albury wrote:
> Marc:
>
> I certainly agree with you that frustration is not the reaction the
> benefactors want, but I think Chris's complaint was related to listers _not_
> cutting off the previous footnotes when replying, rather than the repetition
> of _single_ footnotes in the digest.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:50:12 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID:
Err, you may not know it, but Chris is the founder
of not only The XL1 Watchdog Site
(which is THE preeminent site on the web for all things
XL1 (don't blush Dog)) and the VX2K too.
Mr. Hurd is also the ONE who is going to _archive_ the
DV-L list for us all. He _also_ works the Canopus booth
at trade shows like DV Expo. In other words, he a member who's
opinion I value.
In fact here a post just today from Steve S. who said:
>There is a great website that goes deep into the
>XL-1 system, www.dvinfo.net/xl1.
Gee, do YOU know who's site that is? Chris Hurd!!!
I respectfully disagree that since
he's on the digest his opinion is worth less than someone
who's past behavior (need I say it . . . html) indicates that
no matter who _pleads_ for him to be nice, is REBUTTED
and turned down flat!
Who cares whether someone takes the whole list or just
the digest. A red herring, just like those other excuses,
reasons, and opinions put forth, _not_ because they're
legitimate, but because, "No ONE tells ME what to do!"
>I'll bet Chris's frustration over the hundreds of footers in the digest
>was just the reaction Charles, Gary, Jan... were after. I don't think
>they'd be so successful if they really thought
>that kind of repetition was effective when it's obviously repulsive.
No, I think that Chris is more upset with those who don't
follow the simplest common net courtesies.
Those common RULES like "cut off when replying"
set forth in EVERY post by Alexie and
Bertel. The excuses not to follow those simple DV-L courtesies
are from a person who obviously has self esteem
issues. Okay, we won't even _ask/beg/tell_ him to do ANYTHING, because
it's obvious that _we_ are the ones with the problems.
Though small man syndrom is his for sure.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I take time out of every day to read DV and I don't
>think folks who skate by on the digest should complain about anything
>(dreaded acronyms included ;-)
>
>mhood, CIC-CFRO
Well, I am very sorry that valuable members who happen to like
the digest are "skating by" in the opinion of our CFRO
and should have no right to complain.
Maybe we should simply do away
with the digest completely, because those people's
opinions, input and complaints don't matter?
Yeah, those digest takin' losers.
Maybe this can ALL be worked out with software. Because heavens
knows, that there are ALWAYS a few people who want to
(in the name of personal freedom)
do whatever they like, when ever they want, and to hell with everyone
else. The fact it is, it is simple selfishness.
j"I gotta go and take my pill now"merser
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:58:51
From: "mensa babe"
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Thank you!!!
Message-ID:
I must say it again, the people are this list are the best. You're all just
so generous with sharing your time and expertise!!! I couldn't be as far
along as I am now with my DV documentary without the help of this list. I
will thank you all when I receive my Oscar!
Diana.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:34:43 -0500
From: Gary Bettan
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: P6, Win 2K & Real-time
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010217123314.00cb5d30@pop3.cris.com>
Guys,
For Win2K, P6 and the latest driver versions of DV500 & RT2000 you are
going to need more RAM.
The RT2000 requires 256MB, the DV500 196MB.
You will not be able to install and run these systems without the minimum
memory.
Gary
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:39:24 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FC95@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
JMerser said, in part: Gee, do YOU know who's site that is?...
J:
I don't think Marc intended any deprecation toward Chris. As the
other party in the subject dialogue, I bought an XL-1 a couple of
years ago almost entirely based on Chris's considerable and
impressive body of work at the Watchdog site. I'll bet Marc
is familiar with the site too.
I think Marc was trying to make the point that taking the Digest
is a matter of choice. If you make that choice, obviously, you
get what you choose.
I think Chris, on the other hand, accepts the Digest for what it is,
because it's more convenient for him, but doesn't want it to be
what it was _not_ intended to be. One footnote per message is
expected. Three or four are inconsiderate. This brings the focus
back to the listers who _don't_ clip the footnotes on replies as
requested. On which subject I think Chris and Marc and I all
probably agree. Heck, I'll bet our benefactors agree too!
-r.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:57:52 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: editing woes
Message-ID:
I think that doing a digital dub and burning new time code would do the
trick and enable you to log accurately, do batch capture, and use a digital
NLE. I am not so sure about reusing DV tapes, though. I have seen dropouts
as a result.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: mensa babe [mailto:mensababe@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:22 AM
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: editing woes
OK, sorry to share my woes here, but I'm really stuck...
Remember, I was the one who used my GL1 to film 50 hours of doc
footage...only to discover that I had ruined the continuous DV timecode
because I kept on rewinding and shooting as I went along...
OK, so then I figured I could somehow make do with the editing system's
real-time timecode, as I assumed it had an old fashioned counter like the
standard VCR counter.
So I decided to burn in a real-time timecode (0-60 minutes) into all the VHS
dubs that I'm using for the rough cut.
Now my editor tells me this won't work, because once the timecode is messed
up on the master DV tape, it won't be able to show the "true" timecode. In
other words, there is no way to get a rudimentary "counter" reading, showing
0 to 60. As an example, she explained that the VHS tape's burn-in real time
timecode may read 16:00, but the DV editing system will not be able to show
the same real time for the DV tape because its time code was broken.
Is this true?
If so, what is the solution???
If I make clones from the master DV tapes, can they add a continuous
timecode to the new tapes? (and then make VHS dubs with matching timecodes)
(I know, I know, I should have made clones from the beginning, but it's so
expensive when you have 50 hours and no budget)
If anyone understands this dilemma and has suggestions, I would be very
grateful. Please send a CC: of your reply to me directly, since I only get
the digest in two days, and I'm meeting with my editor tomorrow at noon.
A huge THANK YOU!!!
Diana.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:05:19 -0600
From: "jason clark"
To:
Subject: Glidecam V-8
Message-ID: <000501c0990c$317ce5a0$43430cd1@Jason1>
Thanks everyone for all the helpful info. I think i've decided on a Glidecam
V-8. I figured i would check here to see if anyone is selling a used one or
knows of the best place to buy one. Thanks again for alll your help.
Jason Clark
jackal@zebra.net
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:40:52 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID:
>JMerser said, in part: Gee, do YOU know who's site that is?...
>
>J:
>
>I don't think Marc intended any deprecation toward Chris. As the
>other party in the subject dialogue, I bought an XL-1 a couple of
>years ago almost entirely based on Chris's considerable and
>impressive body of work at the Watchdog site. I'll bet Marc
>is familiar with the site too.
I hope so. I am thankful to Chris H. and the considerable knowledge
that he's compiled and made free and available to us all.
Not to mention the hours of work it took to do it.
>
>I think Marc was trying to make the point that taking the Digest
>is a matter of choice. If you make that choice, obviously, you
>get what you choose.
True, but _we_ can all make it better if we simply follow basic
net courtesy. That effort is minimal IMO and makes things better.
>>Don't get me wrong, I take time out of every day to read DV and I don't
>>think folks who skate >>by on the digest should complain about anything
>>(dreaded acronyms included ;-)
It is possible that he meant this as a joke.
If not, I disagree. Those on the digest ARE members,
and some of them have _major_ value with full
rights to complain as much as any other member IMO.
Should we tell Steve Mullen, Ross Jones, Chris
Hurd and others that they have no rights? NIMO.
I am glad they are taking the time to be on
the digest and contribute.
The sad thing is, we go on and on, with post after post on this lame RE.
Had someone simply said, "I can do that for you," we'd be on better
topics by now (I hope), and those wading through the
digest would be better off too.
>
>One footnote per message is
>expected. Three or four are inconsiderate. This brings the focus
>back to the listers who _don't_ clip the footnotes on replies as
>requested. On which subject I think Chris and Marc and I all
>probably agree. Heck, I'll bet our benefactors agree too!
Yup. This isn't about anything other than doing what is
best for the list as a whole. Being helpful and considerate
is a good thing.
jmerser
Helpful hint: If you don't like to be told what to do or how to do it,
better get out of this _business_, because listening, considering and
accepting the opinion of others (the client/broadcaster) is LARGE.
Producing your own art is the only place where YOU can do anything
you'd like and _maybe_ get away with it.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:55:47 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: Canopus DVRaptor 2.1 Premiere 6 Beta Drivers
Message-ID:
I am surprised that no one has reported yet on here about the Canopus
DVRaptor 2.1 Premiere 6 Beta Drivers being available. Anybody started
using the DVRaptor with Premiere 6 using these drivers yet? If so, how
is it going. I am mid-project, so I can't give it a go yet myself.
Thanks!
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:19:36 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: 16:9 = 1.77 or 1.89
Message-ID: <00fc01c0991f$0c5aff60$51a26dc2@default>
Hello,
I measured the image of the 16:9 setting on my TRV-900 and it appeared that
is was not 16:9 = 1.7777. It was more or less 1.89. Not a huge difference
but still about a 7% deviation in the horizontal part. So what should I take
as a safe area? I suspect that top and bottom are OK, so probably I have to
take in account that not everything at the far left and/or right will be
visible on widescreen?
Then another thing: some weeks ago Adam Wilt wrote:
"I'm also becoming more and more puzzled with Swiss Effects and their
recommended procedures. For example, they specifically recommend against
using
16:9 on the XL1 -- yet in tests I shot last weekend, the XL1 in 16:9 made a
far superior image compared to an XL1 in 4:3, scaled by 133.33% to fit into
a
Final Cut Pro 16:9 sequence. The PD150, OTOH, does a comparatively poor job
of
16:9 in-camera conversion; the scaling looks identical to that done in FCP,
and the PD150 adds excessive vertical enhancement as part of the process.
Yet
SwissEffects *recommends* 16:9 in the VX2000/PD150, and with the default
(too
high, very "video-like") sharpness setting to boot. Odd. "
Somebody has experience (apart form the transfer to film part) with 16:9 in
the TRV 900 / PD100? I mean: is it better to shoot 16:9 from the start I is
it better to do it in post (in my case: FCP or maybe, if I'm going to buy
it, After Effects).
Thanks,
Ton Guiking
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:22:44 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: xl-1 purchase
Message-ID: <1010217122259.19725c9.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.974419@mail.promax.com>
beachtv Wrote
>> Awwww...get a Sony PD-150...
>
>I agree. Had an XL1 w/all the trimmings. And although I think it's a
>top-notch camera, I like my PD150 much better.
>
I agree that the PD150 is a much better choice for many people for
reasons as such:
Picture quality
Excellent in low light
Battery life
Ease of use
Flip monitor
Records in DV or DVCAM
Charles F. McConathy, President
ProMax Systems, Inc. - 16 Technology Drive #106 - Irvine, CA 92618
Digital Video Editing Systems - Camcorders and Decks
SALES: 1-800-977-6629 - FAX: 949-727-3546 - http://www.promax.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:47:07 +0000
From: Tom Fox
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Camera Repair In London
Message-ID:
Does anybody know of a good camera repair shop in London? My TRV 900 is
spitting tapes out.
--
Tom Fox
foxy@tripledub.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:47:34 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217121419.049d9020@mail.dvcentral.org>
Due to the increased traffic pertaining to then above captioned subject, I
would like to take this opportunity to point out that it was me who raised
the topic of ---(cut off when replying)------------------- in the first place.
As the words in the ( ) say, the line is meant as an indicator where to
start cutting off when replying.
This line is not intended to start a furor on the list. It is a simple
suggestion.
List members who like their replies neat & tidy may cut off when replying,
or they may simply quote a sentence for extra crispiness.
List members who don't like to be told what to do, and who are not insulted
by the tortured aesthetics of ---(cut off when
replying)------------------- in duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate or
whatever ...plicate, may simply hit the reply button.
No, there is no proscribed reply style on DV-L.
No, you will not be banished, tarred, feathered or removed if you don't cut
off when replying.
No, this has nothing to do with our Benefactors. (If I would be a
Benefactor, I would demand the immediate removal of the ---(cut off when
replying)------------------- ,
because this way, the number of links to my site would be maximized.)
And no, no, no, no, this is not a topic that should result in any acrimony,
targeted at any member of this list.
BS. DV-L Miss-Manners.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:03:52 -0500
From: Gary Bettan
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010217160023.00cbc770@pop3.cris.com>
Just a thought here:
Is there a way to have the list serve automatically delete the repetitive text?
I know I use several programs that allow me replace a section of text with
new text or nothing, in the entire document.
It would be pretty cool if the program that creates the digests could do
this, then add a digest version of the footer at the end. Just a thought.
Gary
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:14:21 -0500
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: it is REPORTED that MVT3 has NOT been certified for 98SE
Message-ID: <003401c09926$987e60c0$c955a818@nyc.rr.com>
I agree with you absolutely and would warn any potential buyers on the
list
to beware the marketing HOOO HA you'll be seeing.
"Matrox promised Win2000 support in 6/2000 so don't get too excited. The
card has been riddled with buggy performance issues since it's release,
with every "service pak." In my book Matrox has lost all credibility,
and
I've worked as a beta tester for them.... as I know a few others have on
the list."
THREE ISSUES HERE:
1) Has MATROX finally released reliable software for the RT2000. My
guess is that after using MVT2 with P6 the answer might well be yes
under 98SE.
2) However, it is REPORTED that MVT3 has NOT been certified for 98SE --
thus forcing all RT2000 users to "upgrade" to ME or W2000! ME is not an
upgrade -- although you do have to pay Bill for it. And, I don't want to
go though installing and debugging a W2000 system now that I have 98SE
is running fine.
3) And I doubt that the first release of anyone's W2000 drivers will be
free of bugs. Thus going to W2000 likely means being thrown back to
"bug-land" and waiting for the necessary SP to fix the W2000 drivers.
IF IF IF this report is true -- MATROX needs to hear from folks who do
NOT want to be forced to change their OS just to get the bug-fixes
promised and the new features. Upgrading to W2000 should be a customer
option!
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:17:52 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A42912DF@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Marc Hood wrote:>
> I'll bet Chris's frustration over the hundreds of footers in
> the digest was just the reaction Charles, Gary, Jan... were
> after. I don't think they'd be so successful if they really thought
> that kind of repetition was effective when it's obviously repulsive.
Marc, I think you misjudge the motivation at least for my part. Yes, having
the Panasonic banner at the bottom of each email, not repeatedly in an
archive, is potentially why my marketing people went for the idea, but for
me it was to support a group that has video concepts and ideas as the center
of its discussion and this is why I brought it to the attention of my
marketing group. I am a trainer/teacher and it has been my long time
observation that people in this business don't learn anything until it is
time to use that knowledge. It is lists like these that make that possible.
Frankly I think that the sig line at the bottom has been an issue all along
and now with it being a little longer it has indeed been standing out more.
If it is repulsive now, it was repulsive before. Hopefully this line of
thought will not become the entire train of thought on this thread. I think
that all of the supporters of the list are proactive in supporting the video
community and for you to say that our support by virtue of the sig line is
repulsive,...ahem.., I have to take issue. Maybe the best thing to do is to
encourage those that do not cut off the sig line to do so, than to attack
those that have found it in their hearts and pockets to support the group.
Yes?!
Have a great day,
Jan>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:19:02 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <3A8EEAC6.5AFCA678@adent.com>
I'm back from feeding the cows now and will attempt to speak for myself (with many thanks to Rik for giving me the benefit of a doubt). I meant absolutely no offense to my fellow Texan
Chris. I do not consider him or anyone else on the digest to be second class citizens. I do think they are being a little (maybe a little bit ;-) unreasonable demanding things of list
posters (like no dreaded acronym and cut off the footers) because it clutters the digest. I realize tails wag dogs every day, but the purpose of this list is not the digest, it is the
dialog (again, IMHO).
I merely did what I usually do...looked to technology to solve some of these problems for us rather than enlist an authoritarian approach that is, in my opinion, divisive, elitist and
doomed to failure.
I'll say it again: Why can't the footer string (at least repeats of the footer > >> >>>) be filtered prior to compiling the digest? Martin indicated this was possible and I feel this is a
better solution for those on the digest than nagging and demanding anything.
If you consider that approach elitist, well we'll just have to disagree on that one. My Dad taught me a long time ago that only idiots argue semantics.
mhood
jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
> >I don't think Marc intended any deprecation toward Chris.
>
> >I think Marc was trying to make the point that taking the Digest
> >is a matter of choice. If you make that choice, obviously, you
> >get what you choose.
>
> True, but _we_ can all make it better if we simply follow basic
> net courtesy. That effort is minimal IMO and makes things better.
>
> >>Don't get me wrong, I take time out of every day to read DV and I don't
> >>think folks who skate >>by on the digest should complain about anything
> >>(dreaded acronyms included ;-)
>
> It is possible that he meant this as a joke.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:33:42 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <3A8EEE36.41427A38@adent.com>
Jan, for crying out loud!!!!! Chris was talking about the repeats of the sig...read his post and give me the slack a card carrying overman in the Church of the Subgenius deserves.
"Crittenden, Jan" wrote:
> Marc Hood wrote:>
> > I'll bet Chris's frustration over the hundreds of footers in
> > the digest was just the reaction Charles, Gary, Jan... were
> > after. I don't think they'd be so successful if they really thought
> > that kind of repetition was effective when it's obviously repulsive.
>
> thought will not become the entire train of thought on this thread. I think
> that all of the supporters of the list are proactive in supporting the video
> community and for you to say that our support by virtue of the sig line is
> repulsive,...ahem.., I have to take issue.
> Maybe the best thing to do is to
> encourage those that do not cut off the sig line to do so, than to attack
> those that have found it in their hearts and pockets to support the group.
> Yes?!
Please see my other post concerning my humble opinion of authoritarian solutions as opposed to the judicious use of technology. I also just read Gary's post and was relieved to see that he
looks to technology (spelled find and replace ;-) to improve the digest. I am a little surprised that you do not.
mhood
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:39:42 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217163259.02ab8400@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 04:03 PM 2/17/01 -0500, Gary thought:
>Is there a way to have the list serve automatically delete the repetitive
>text?
>
>I know I use several programs that allow me replace a section of text with
>new text or nothing, in the entire document.
>
>It would be pretty cool if the program that creates the digests could do
>this, then add a digest version of the footer at the end. Just a thought.
That thought has crossed our minds repeatedly, but our current listserv app
won't let us do it. That's why we are revamping the whole thing (using your
donated $$$ and a lot of donated sweat equity).
We're hard at work and it's making progress. Jason has finished the basic
design, Alexei is setting up a dedicated machine, and Mike will put his
software on it.
You know how software is: No firm dates, but it's going faster than I
originally feared.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:43:34 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217164048.02ab9200@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 03:19 PM 2/17/01 -0600, mhood wrote:
>I'll say it again: Why can't the footer string (at least repeats of the
>footer > >> >>>) be filtered prior to compiling the digest? Martin
>indicated this was possible and I feel this is a
>better solution for those on the digest than nagging and demanding anything.
We will do that once we have our own listserv program under our sole
control. The current one doesn't let us do the above - and since the big
disaster a few weeks ago, we are very leery of making _any_ changes to the
current listserv.
BS.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:02:55 -0500
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: 16:9 = 1.77 or 1.89
Message-ID:
>Hello,
>I measured the image of the 16:9 setting on my TRV-900 and it appeared that
>is was not 16:9 = 1.7777. It was more or less 1.89. Not a huge difference
>but still about a 7% deviation in the horizontal part. So what should I take
>as a safe area? I suspect that top and bottom are OK, so probably I have to
>take in account that not everything at the far left and/or right will be
>visible on widescreen?
If a widescreen image is letterboxed, you'll have no safe area top
and bottom, but the usual safe area side to side. The same happens on
a switchable 4:3/16:9 monitor, which is essentially doing an
extra-high-quality letterboxing.
I'm not sure if native-widescreen monitors still have safe areas or
if modern widescreen specs (HDTV, etc) include safe areas. I'd hope
not. But maybe the 1950's still lives on.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:27:33 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: To digest or not to digest.. (was: List courtesy)
Message-ID: <015f01c09930$e81a6de0$51a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Marc C. Hood, EdD
> but the purpose of this list is not the digest, it is the
>dialog (again, IMHO).
>
So you are suggesting that the REAL purpose of this list is that people
react on the spot, directly, as I am doing now...? Gimme a break, why should
reacting after a day, when the digest is coming in, not be part of a
dialog??
BTW: I once was on the digest diet, but for purposes of ease I switched to
immediate delivery. When I was on the digest, and I wanted to save a
message, I had to copy it, imported it in a file in Word (where I had files
on tons of subjects), switched back to the digest etc. Too much hassle.
Now I'm getting seperate messages, I am filing them in my mailprogram. I
have folders for sound, FCP, Mac, DVD, TRV900 etc.etc. And move messages to
these folders (or delete them). Not as specified as in my Word files but way
more convenient to handle.
Also easier to reply to a message.
But also there's the downside: the alluring messages, especially if a boring
other task has to be done, 24 hours a day coming in....
Enough ranting,
Best,
Ton Guiking
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:43:58 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FC98@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Friends, Romans, DV-Listers...
Please come to preach, not to meddle! Whether and how many
and where footers appear is between Charles, Gary, Jan, Bertel,
and Alexei. IMHO, the rest of us have already expressed more
opinions on the subject than our leading benefactors should
have to consider in determining what makes the most sense for
the way they want to run their businesses.
We might rightly take issue with fellow listers who don't
observe requests and protocol to (cut off...), but let's leave
business dealings and matters of quid pro quo to the principals.
-Rik.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:46:12 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID:
>We're hard at work and it's making progress. Jason has finished the basic
>design, Alexei is setting up a dedicated machine, and Mike will put his
>software on it.
I am sorry but I have to ask this question:
Would all of this work and money spent
be necessary if a couple of our fellow members would
simply follow common net courtesy?
What is the _honest_ answer?
The DV-L works/has worked/will work for me in the current form.
A couple of people "don't like being told what to do," so
technology has to come to the rescue?
We don't really need technology, but a good paddle would do.
This ain't brain surgery or gene therapy that we're talkin' 'bout here.
(Well, maybe we could use some of that too now that I mention it).
Okay, let's spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours
so under 3 people (and a couple of newbies who don't know any better)
don't have to highlight/delete or post in plain text.
Something about REWARDING those who WILL NOT do the rest of us
a simple courtesy goes against my grain.
Repairing or replacing old gear is the right answer.
Now, if the DV-L computers and servers are so old and broken down
that we're about to be plunged into darkness, that's a _reason_.
But to go through all this expense, because we don't want to
infringe on a couple of small people being able to do anything they want, any
way they want to do it, in any case, on a "shared" community
that provides them lots of free information, is wrong.
If I wore the jack boots, I'd put 'em to work.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:47:29 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: To digest or not to digest.. (was: List courtesy)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FC99@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Ton:
>But also there's the downside: the alluring messages,...
>24 hours a day coming in....
Bravo!
-r.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:57:10 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Paddles
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217175014.0202bb60@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:46 PM 2/17/01 -0500, jmerser wrote:
>We don't really need technology, but a good paddle would do.
>.... This ain't brain surgery or gene therapy that we're talkin' 'bout here.
>..... (Well, maybe we could use some of that too now that I mention it).
>... If I wore the jack boots, I'd put 'em to work.
Vy am I getting nervous?
And what's with the boots stuff?
Anyway, as Nancy Sinatra said: "These boots are made for walking."
I'm taking my constitutional.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:57:03 +0100
From: "guillaume coudray"
To:
Subject: VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
Message-ID: <002201c0993d$76240220$ea06e4d5@coudray>
Hello,
I finally made up my mind and I will buy VX 2000. I would like to shoot 16/9
using Century Optics anamorphoser. But it there a way to set the LCD screen
to display the 16/9 image?
More generally, I would be very interested in reading pro and cons regarding
Century Optics adapters.
Thanks a lot.
Guillaume
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:58:19 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: To digest or not to digest.. (was: List courtesy)
Message-ID: <3A8F101B.9A1DD932@adent.com>
Well once you react and post, you become a part of the dialog don't you? Yep, communication is (as Frank Zappa put it) the crux of the biscuit. It comes closer to anarchy (forgive me
Bertel, but even the exiled can re-subscribe with a new email account ;-) than either democracy or totalitarianism. I sure hope nobody misreads *that* as a political statement.
Did you notice what happened to mensa babe...she bemoaned her meeting occurring before the next digest came out and ask folks who could help her with the discontinuous time code problem to
email her directly. We used to call it "just in time" information.
Yea, I too spend way too much time dealing with the allure of DV-L instead of dealing with the more mundane parts of my life...like making a living :-)
Ton Guiking wrote:
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Marc C. Hood, EdD
>
> > but the purpose of this list is not the digest, it is the
> >dialog (again, IMHO).
> >
> So you are suggesting that the REAL purpose of this list is that people
> react on the spot, directly, as I am doing now...? Gimme a break, why should
> reacting after a day, when the digest is coming in, not be part of a
> dialog??
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:54:38 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: it is REPORTED that MVT3 has NOT been certified for 98SE
Message-ID: <00fc01c0993d$8669a860$6401a8c0@design1>
The Canopus drivers have been working fine with Windows 2000 for months now.
I find Windows NT or 2000 to be much more stable than any version of Windows
9x. It is a bit more challenging to insure that you have Windows 2000
compatible hardware and drivers but they are available for most current
hardware. I think your concerns are more a Matrox issue than a Windows 2000
issue. I was forced to move to Windows NT years ago when my DPS PVR was no
longer supported for Win 9x. It was the best move I've ever been forced to
make. I never regretted the move to NT and I've hated the return to Win 9x
for the RT2000. I'd like to think Matrox has finally got a winner here but
only time will tell.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Mullen"
> 3) And I doubt that the first release of anyone's W2000 drivers will be
> free of bugs. Thus going to W2000 likely means being thrown back to
> "bug-land" and waiting for the necessary SP to fix the W2000 drivers.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:03:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joel W. Smit"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: How to obtain colors as seen in Gladiator/Ford Commercials -
Message-ID: <20010218000357.10530.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com>
Does EchoFire run on a PC? I am thinking it is Mac
only. What's the MSRP?
Also, a Matrox card with dual-head display would offer
one the option to route the picture to an NTSC display
via Y/C or RCA to watch for real time out of gammat
color values whilst viewing the frame on the computer
monitor for 'comparison'.
This is a way cool thread BTW.
Joel Dubya
--- VSRECORD@aol.com wrote:
> Something that helps doing color correcting in AE is
> the EchoFire plugin.
> This sends the frame you are working on out to your
> NTSC monitor. Its from
> Synthetic Aperture. Premiere 6 will also render
> previews out to the NTSC
> monitor, the AE plugins change as you change the
> sliders.
> Vince
> In a message dated 2/17/01 4:24:35 AM,
> illumination@compuserve.com writes:
>
> << A good way to get a feel for the technique is to
> mess around with stills
> in Photoshop -- more immediate feedback! Experiment
> with Levels and
> Curves in particular, and with Hue and saturation.
> When messing with
> this stuff for video, you need to adjust your
> eyeballs to deal with the
> NTSC color gamut (color space) as opposed to the VGA
> gamut. Remember,
> 235,235,235 is PURE WHITE for video -- even tho'
> it's gray on the VGA!
> All other colors are equally "grayed down" and bland
> when viewed on
> VGA. It's easy to tweak up illegal levels -- best
> to test on a waveform
> monitor!
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:09:06 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <3A8F12A2.83C30A44@adent.com>
I think I'm gonna need some antacid for that digest. I would like to express my deepest appreciation to jmerser for having little (or should I say absolutely no) authority in my life :-)
mhood
jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
> >We're hard at work and it's making progress. Jason has finished the basic
> >design, Alexei is setting up a dedicated machine, and Mike will put his
> >software on it.
>
> The DV-L works/has worked/will work for me in the current form.
> A couple of people "don't like being told what to do," so
> technology has to come to the rescue?
> We don't really need technology, but a good paddle would do.
> This ain't brain surgery or gene therapy that we're talkin' 'bout here.
>
> If I wore the jack boots, I'd put 'em to work.
>
> jmerser
>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:13:20 -0500
From: "Walt"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: NLE on a Notebook
Message-ID: <011701c0993f$9f629000$6401a8c0@design1>
Marc or others,
A few weeks ago you were saying how well your notebook editing system was
working. At the time I wasn't planning to upgrade my notebook until much
later this year but the best laid plans have changed and I just received my
new Toshiba Satellite 2805. I've ordered the Orange Micro OHCI board for it
and it should be in next week. The notebook came with Windows ME and I've
upgraded the memory to 256M. What other recommendations can you make about
configuration, etc. to insure the best performance for a road warrior's NLE
system.
When travelling a countryside filled with technical landmines it's always
good to follow in someone else's footsteps.
Thanks,
Walt
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:21:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin Heffels
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <200102180021.f1I0LDr47132@newsguy.com>
At Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:47:34 -0500, you wrote
>Due to the increased traffic pertaining to then above captioned subject, I
>would like to take this opportunity to point out that it was me who raised
>the topic of ---(cut off when replying)------------------- in the first place.
Again Bertell, why don't you insert the "-- " before it?
-martin-
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:28:00 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
Message-ID:
>Hello,
>I finally made up my mind and I will buy VX 2000. I would like to shoot 16/9
>using Century Optics anamorphoser. But it there a way to set the LCD screen
>to display the 16/9 image?
>More generally, I would be very interested in reading pro and cons regarding
>Century Optics adapters.
>Thanks a lot.
>Guillaume
I think it was in
the latest Video Systems Magazine,
http://www.videosystems.com/
Steve Mullen has a great article on this. I'm
not sure if the article is online or not, but it is
worth checking.
Actually, I just went there and did a search on
anamorphic. Got 75 hits!
You've got some home work Guillaume.
Good luck
jmerser
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:10:17 -0500
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
Message-ID:
Someone recently told me that there's another brand of 16:9 adapter that's
rated higher than Century, but I don't have the brand at my fingertips.
Maybe I can find out. For wide angle DV converters the Century is preferred
by ALL the high-end shooters I know. (Over the Canon, Sony, et al)
I'm curious about the Century diopters for close-ups, but haven't heard any
opinions.
EBerlin
-----Original Message-----
From: guillaume coudray [mailto:gcoudray@free.fr]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:57 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: VX 2000 and Century optics 16/9 anamorphoser
Hello,
I finally made up my mind and I will buy VX 2000. I would like to shoot 16/9
using Century Optics anamorphoser. But it there a way to set the LCD screen
to display the 16/9 image?
More generally, I would be very interested in reading pro and cons regarding
Century Optics adapters.
Thanks a lot.
Guillaume
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:26:14 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: NLE on a Notebook
Message-ID: <3A8F24B6.301BB09B@adent.com>
I wish I could be more help Walt, but I didn't step on any land mines. I just hooked it all up and it worked. I will bring you current on my ThinkPad. A21m, PIII800, 128MB ram, 18GB
internal HD, IBM OHCI IEEE Card, IBM Deskstar 75GB in Pyro external FW case. It came with Win2K Pro on it and I've installed Premiere 6, Photoshop 4, SAW, Flash 4, Authorware 4, Director
4, IBM HotMedia Toolkit 3.5.17, Illustrator 9, Acrobat 4, MGI Videowave III, Lightwave 4, and bunches of other stuff including 800 True Type fonts and Kai's Power Tools. My camera is the
Sony PC100.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at it and it just keeps on working. I am amazed and have already eaten my words about "all of this NLE stuff"
being broken to some extent. Hope I don't jinx it, but if I do DV-L will be the first to know ;-)
I don't know anything about WinME or what issues you'll face with that or the Orange Micro card, but you seem to have plenty of ram and I think you're about to get a pleasant surprise.
Best of luck...
mhood
Walt wrote:
> Marc or others,
>
> A few weeks ago you were saying how well your notebook editing system was
> working. At the time I wasn't planning to upgrade my notebook until much
> later this year but the best laid plans have changed and I just received my
> new Toshiba Satellite 2805. I've ordered the Orange Micro OHCI board for it
> and it should be in next week. The notebook came with Windows ME and I've
> upgraded the memory to 256M. What other recommendations can you make about
> configuration, etc. to insure the best performance for a road warrior's NLE
> system.
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:28:41 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: 16:9 = 1.77 or 1.89
Message-ID:
Tom Guiking posted:
>I measured the image of the 16:9 setting on my TRV-900 and it appeared that
is was not 16:9 = 1.7777. It was more or less 1.89. Not a huge difference
but still about a 7% deviation in the horizontal part. So what should I take
as a safe area? I suspect that top and bottom are OK, so probably I have to
take in account that not everything at the far left and/or right will be
visible on wide screen?<
This is suspicious since the ratio of 1.89:1.77 is the same as 768:720 which
is the amount that PAL DV is nominally out of square (pixels wise).
In fact the active area of a PAL image is about 702 pixels wide, and for
most consumer cameras the manufacturer blanks off the rest of the frame
width. This active area should represent the true 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio.
As to his other question, it depends on what you use for expanding the
vertical size in post. I would find it difficult to accept that any real
time interpolation in the camera can better the results of After Effects on
its best setting. I have not seen the Canon but I can confirm that the Sony
VX2000 in it's various forms does a good mangling job as you can see from
looking at:
http://www.btinternet.com/~perrybits/Widetest.jpg
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:31:48 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: How to obtain colors as seen in Gladiator/Ford Commercials -
Message-ID: <1010217173203.1a82d23.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.976251@mail.promax.com>
Joel W. Smit Wrote
>Does EchoFire run on a PC? I am thinking it is Mac
>only. What's the MSRP?
>
>Also, a Matrox card with dual-head display would offer
>one the option to route the picture to an NTSC display
>via Y/C or RCA to watch for real time out of gammat
>color values whilst viewing the frame on the computer
>monitor for 'comparison'.
ProMax offers the Matrox G400 with Macintosh Drivers and marketed as
DH-MAX. It does indeed allow one to display out to NTSC or PAL monitor.
Thanks
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
>
>This is a way cool thread BTW.
>
>Joel Dubya
>
>--- VSRECORD@aol.com wrote:
>> Something that helps doing color correcting in AE is
>> the EchoFire plugin.
>> This sends the frame you are working on out to your
>> NTSC monitor. Its from
>> Synthetic Aperture. Premiere 6 will also render
>> previews out to the NTSC
>> monitor, the AE plugins change as you change the
>> sliders.
>> Vince
>> In a message dated 2/17/01 4:24:35 AM,
>> illumination@compuserve.com writes:
>>
>> << A good way to get a feel for the technique is to
>> mess around with stills
>> in Photoshop -- more immediate feedback! Experiment
>> with Levels and
>> Curves in particular, and with Hue and saturation.
>> When messing with
>> this stuff for video, you need to adjust your
>> eyeballs to deal with the
>> NTSC color gamut (color space) as opposed to the VGA
>> gamut. Remember,
>> 235,235,235 is PURE WHITE for video -- even tho'
>> it's gray on the VGA!
>> All other colors are equally "grayed down" and bland
>> when viewed on
>> VGA. It's easy to tweak up illegal levels -- best
>> to test on a waveform
>> monitor!
>
>
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:34:22 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217203230.01b0f2c0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 04:21 PM 2/17/01 -0800, Martin wrote:
>Again Bertell, why don't you insert the "-- " before it?
I don't get it. Honestly. Can someone tell me what the definition of "it" is?
BS
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:50:43 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID:
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>At 04:21 PM 2/17/01 -0800, Martin wrote:
>>Again Bertell, why don't you insert the "-- " before it?
>
>
>I don't get it. Honestly. Can someone tell me what the definition of "it" is?
A little humor can go a long way! :)
Nancy S.
It
1. A thing, place, happening, or idea that has already been mentioned
or that is understood. Example: He saw a house and bought it. 2. A
reference to a general condition or action. Examples: weather: it
rains, it is cold; the event: it happens.
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At 04:21 PM 2/17/01 -0800, Martin wrote:
Again Bertell, why don't you insert the "-- " before it?
I don't get it. Honestly. Can someone tell me what the definition of "it" is?
A little humor can go a long way! :)
Nancy S.
It
1. A thing, place, happening, or idea that has already been mentioned or that is understood. Example: He saw a house and bought it. 2. A reference to a general condition or action. Examples: weather: it rains, it is cold; the event: it happens.
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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:03:38 -0500
From: "aew"
To:
Subject: rt2000 mvt3.0
Message-ID: <001301c0af4f$a62b32e0$47119618@hala1.on.home.com>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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I wish some of you guys would give Matrox a break. Matrox, in my opinion =
has provided more support for this product than most companies would. , =
for little or no profit these guys keep developing major upgrades as =
they are committed to their products. I've found this with Matrox as =
long ago as 3 or 4 years when I was using their rainbow runner. =
Remember, they've been in the higher end game for a while now with =
digisuite etc,so they're no new kids on the block at this business.
The original product works as advertised with their recommended =
systems.
All new products have bugs, and MVT3 will have for sure with certain =
combinations of hardware and software. My own rt2000 installation has =
been no cakewalk, but most issues have been related to conflicting irq's =
or non supported hardware, or just trying to do too much on a system =
that's supposed to be an NLE. I'm running premiere 6.0 beta with mvt2 on =
an extremely stable system (win98se). When I go to mvt3 I will have a =
dual boot system, so I can switch between what I've got now and what =
I'll have tomorrow, as all the issues that I'll face won't necessarily =
be Matrox's (win 2000 drivers, premiere bugs etc)
All in all I'm extremely pleased with my RT2000 and Matrox's support of =
this product ,and they don't pay me to say that.
However, when RT2001 (or whatever) comes out, don't expect this level of =
support to continue for RT2000. I can't wait to hear the complaining =
then!
Andy
Imagine Newmedia
btw mvt3 may work with98se they havent tested it. they say that the =
resourses required to check all mobo's, language versions, hardware =
combo's etc would take resources from new product and software =
development.
Fair enough I don't mind $60 upgrade to ME. I also don't mind the $250 =
upgrade to win2000 as that's where us windows guys will be going =
eventually anyway.
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I wish some of you guys would give = Matrox a break.=20 Matrox, in my opinion has provided more support for this product than = most=20 companies would. , for little or no profit these guys keep developing = major=20 upgrades as they are committed to their products. I've found this with = Matrox as=20 long ago as 3 or 4 years when I was using their rainbow runner. = Remember,=20 they've been in the higher end game for a while now with digisuite = etc,so=20 they're no new kids on the block at this business.
The original product works as = advertised with=20 their recommended systems.
All new products have bugs, and MVT3 = will have for=20 sure with certain combinations of hardware and software. My own rt2000=20 installation has been no cakewalk, but most issues have been related to=20 conflicting irq's or non supported hardware, or just trying to do too = much on a=20 system that's supposed to be an NLE. I'm running premiere 6.0 beta with = mvt2 on=20 an extremely stable system (win98se). When I go to mvt3 I will have a = dual boot=20 system, so I can switch between what I've got now and what I'll have = tomorrow,=20 as all the issues that I'll face won't necessarily be Matrox's (win = 2000=20 drivers, premiere bugs etc)
All in all I'm extremely pleased with = my RT2000 and=20 Matrox's support of this product ,and they don't pay me to say=20 that.
However, when RT2001 (or whatever) = comes out, don't=20 expect this level of support to continue for RT2000. I can't wait to = hear the=20 complaining then!
Andy
Imagine Newmedia
btw mvt3 may work with98se they = havent tested=20 it. they say that the resourses required to check all mobo's, language = versions,=20 hardware combo's etc would take resources from new product and software=20 development.
Fair enough I don't mind $60 upgrade to = ME. I also=20 don't mind the $250 upgrade to win2000 as that's where us windows guys = will be=20 going eventually anyway.
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:39:13 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <3A8F35D1.91AF016D@adent.com>
Thanks Nancy, I feel better already. Wouldn't "compost occurs" be more
delicate than "it happens" :-)
mhood
PS: Am I the only one who receives DV-L posts that are formatted in the
forbidden acronym that do not have the footer attached? Whazzup with
that strange anomaly? And did anyone notice that Charles forgot to cut
the footer in his last post? Now where did jmerser put those jack
boots...I would ask him to do it, but I'm afraid he'd enjoy it a little
too much :-) That's a *joke* ya'll....
"Nancy L. Spoolman" wrote:
> A little humor can go a long way! :)
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:44:51 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217214149.0200fec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 06:50 PM 2/17/01 -0700, Nancy wrote:
>It
>
>1. A thing, place, happening, or idea that has already been mentioned or
>that is understood. Example: He saw a house and bought it. 2. A reference
>to a general condition or action. Examples: weather: it rains, it is cold;
>the event: it happens.
Thanks, Nancy. But I think I'll take Martin's definition and insert the "--
" before it. Who know what will happen.
BS
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:56:18 -0500
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: How to obtain colors as seen in Adobe article (orphanage)
Message-ID: <3A8F47E1.A8C2F5DC@compuserve.com>
Dexter wrote:
>I read this article in Adobe discussing about the future of a couple of
ILM graduates.
The proprietary process Orphanage uses is called "Magic Bullet," and it
shows a lot of promise -- tho' it is intended for use on PAL originated
video only. I don't think they've put as much effort into NTSC.
Lots of the basic processing involved in "film look" is common across
the products -- the standout feature of Magic Bullet is the ability to
define layers and control them independently -- add blur to a
background, artificial rack focus, etc.
While there is discussion of releasing Magic Bullet as a plugin, right
now it is a proprietary process you can only get done at the Orphanage
-- and they're not really a service bureau in the normal sense.
As to the basic stuff - color correction, gamma, and "grainfication", I
bridled a little bit at the name -- it's a great name, but there's more
than one way to skin this cat, no one product is going to be the "magic
bullet."
John Jackman
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:07:28 -0500
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Problem with Timex Sinclair
Message-ID: <3A8F4A7F.AC968A4D@compuserve.com>
Joel Dubya wrote:
>OK Everybody I give. Enuf on the Pentium 233mmx. Can
>anybody tell me how to fix a bad memory address in the
>64KB memory pack on my Timex Sinclair?
Awright! When I tell folks about that one, even folks of the
appropriate age, I get blank disbelieving looks. Also for the TI-94
with, what, 16K? Lots of folks didn't seem to "tune in" to computers
until the IBM-PC or the Commodore 64.
Anybody on the list actually build an Altair kit? I didn't but wanted
to. Of course, back then I also wanted to buy a $50 government surplus
Jeep ;^)
John Jackman
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:06:50 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: List courtesy (was: NOTAC: Cut off when replying)
Message-ID: <3A8F4A5A.3C7FBCA6@adent.com>
Martin said:
>For single messages the remedy is simple: The first line of the footer should
>only contain this "-- " (dash dash space). It is a convention described in one
>of the RFC's which says that this is the footer, and should be cut off when
>replying to a message. Most newsreaders stick to it, and when they encounter
>that line, they cut it and the rest after it, off.
I *think* it's something like the