DV-L Mon, 26 Feb 2001 Volume 1 : Number 778
In this issue:
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
utterly OT: system mechanic
Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Re: DV-L V1 #776
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Re: DV-L V1 #776
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Get me off this list
RE: UMMMM 16x9 DV Camera
Error codes
Re: DV-L V1 #776
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Re: utterly OT: system mechanic
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Backup to Mini DV
Re: Backup to Mini DV
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
FYI: Article on Windows Media for Web Video
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Re: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Re: sony vo and bvu .... NOT!
Re: Monitors
RE: UMMMM 16x9 DV Camera
Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Re: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
RE: Real-World test (was, lousy VHS dubs from DV)
Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
OTish:Setting up a talkback system in a video lab
FCP fuzzy capture
Re: DSR-11 ?? or ?
Re:Sony VO and BVU: OT comment
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Re: sony vo and bvu .... NOT!
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Re: Monitors
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Re: Get me off this list
Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
[OT] Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
RE: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
DV-SP
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
My Rat Shack rant
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
RE: My Rat Shack rant
Slightly OT: solar powered battery chargers?
RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Re: DV-SP
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
RE: Sony VO and BVU?
Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Test
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:51:36 -0700
From: "Brent Wiscombe"
To:
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <00d001c09f08$f07aac60$b7cf0118@mesa1.az.home.com>
The question about disabling the auto 5 minute shut-off for the Sony
camcorders was asked, and someone suggested to contact Datavision in the UK
regarding their Widget.
I contacted them and they told me that they do not have any device to
disable or by-pass the automatic 5 minute shut-off for the Sony camcorders
while the camera is in the standby mode for recording to an internal tape
in the "camera" record setting. The camcorder does not auto shut-off if
there is no tape in it, but then you would have to record to another
source. I want to perch the camera on a pole and activate it with the
remote from up to 50 feet away to record to the internal tape. But if I
don't momentarily press the record button every 4 1/2 minutes, then the
camera shuts-off, thereby requiring me to lower the camera and restart it
manually.
Does anyone know of a method or means to disable this automatic shut-off
feature??
Thanks,
Brent Wiscombe
bwiscombe@msn.com
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:56:49 -0500
From: Jeff Hamman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID:
If I were to mail a tape and there is a reasonable
chance that it goes through security that does a
routine XRay of packages... should I put a warning
on the outside saying "Magnetic Media - Do Not X-Ray"?
Is this a problem? Do security X-Ray machines cause
a problem with either MiniDV or VHS? What about
your experience at the airport? What do you all do
in regard to checked luggage or carry-on?
I know it would not hurt to put a label, but I do
not want to be overly cautious if I do not need to
be. This may drawn unneeded scrutiny to the package
anyway... as in, Hmmm, if he did not want it X-Rayed,
there may be ANOTHER good reason why.
Jeff Hamman
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:07:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Barry G
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: utterly OT: system mechanic
Message-ID: <20010225100701.14373.qmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com>
Way off topic here, but I am sitting here totally
stunned at what I just did to my download speed, and
thought I would share it...
I just downloaded Matrox's new Video Tools for my
RT2000, which is a 200-megabyte file, and it took
about an hour on my cable modem. I was getting speeds
of about 60kbytes per second, or right about the
cable's rated max of 512kbits per second. But still,
an hour is an awfully long time for a download...
I stumbled upon a program called System Mechanic on
www.download.com. It promises to (among other things)
optimize your internet connection. I tried it.
WOW. I just downloaded the same file as before, in
about 20 minutes, at an average download speed of
160kbytes per second! This little shareware program
just tripled my internet connection speed. Yowza!
I imagine I'm probably the only dope in the world who
didn't know about this, but in case anyone else can
benefit from it, spread the word...
-BG
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:35:39 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Message-ID: <200102251035.TAA01344@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Nancy,
The Sony media converter will work fine for Most of what you want to do.
The main thing to remember is that you will need to work in dv, with dv
streams, for the media converter to work via firewire to your tv or vcr.
Your 8500 had a composite video out so anything would come out that,
right? The media converter will convert dv to analog and vice versa. If
you're mainly using the TRV-900 for recording then that wll be dv and
there is no problem. You will need to connect this to the computer to get
the dv footage in. After that you can disconnect it, edit your clips in
iMovie, or another program. I haven't tried using iMovie to come back out
the firewire through the media converter and into a vcr. I think there is
no problem with it.
As far as using the media converter for projecting the computer onto a
tv, it won't do that. Well, it will if you want to only project dv video
from a dv application. But it won't take the screen shots of other
programs. That is what the projection boxes are made for. (There is an
application that comes with the echofire plug-in that does allow screen
shots to come out the firewire, but the frame rate is not real time.)
One other thing you should consider is the amount or hard drive space
you'll have, and more importantly, that you should try to keep your video
clips on a separate drive than the drive with your system. Dv doesn't
require much through-put, but when the system needs to access the disc
and the program you're using needs to access it too, it may cause the
movie to drop frames. If you love doing dv editing and making your own
movies, I'd recommend getting a G4 with extra ATA hard drives.
Good luck, Jim
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:30:23 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #776
Message-ID: <00ce01c09f1e$e8392bb0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
By the way -- when digest members reply using a number such as #776 those of
us who do not take the digest have no immediate way of knowing which thread
is being referred to..
Just thought it was worth mentioning.
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "armin schmid"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #776
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> > That's "sophisticated" for you, buster. "Sophistic" is something else.
> >
> read
> Plato and Sophistic Thinking:
> Plato Discussion Deck
> http://westerncanon.com/cgibin/lecture/Platohall/cas/49.html
>
> >Sometime I wonder whether Alzheimer's isn't such a bad thing at all.
> 45 years ago when you moved from Germany to USA your Alzheimer was not so
> bad your manners better , but your english ? buster
> --
> Armin Schmid
> asv multimedia
> Consulting.. DV-Solutions..A/V Kompressionen
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:45:42 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: Jeff Hamman , DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <3A98AA16.8151.186EFD0D@localhost>
Jeff:
For dv/dcam tapes there is little chance that an x-ray machine will
do harm. The x-rays themselves are not a problem. Stray
magnetic fields from machines that are not well-maintained could
be. But digital data is much more difficult to degrade than
analogue data. A digital system only has to distinguish between no
recording (0) and some recording (1) on the tape. To turn a 1 to a
0 you have to completely erase the tape. With analog, even a
partial erasure of the tape will likeley render it useless.
A local dubbing house here in Ottawa claims they once had vhs
and betacam tapes damaged during shipment by air, but they don't
know how it happened.
I have never had a dv tape damaged during my travels (I fly quite a
lot). And to my knowledge, no dv tape if have ever shipped by air
has been dammaged either.
Remember, for carry-on luggage, most ariport security will do a
hand search if requested. So if you are really worried....
Cheers
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:15:44 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Message-ID: <03de01c09f24$ff249340$41a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: jhogg
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: zondag 25 februari 2001 11:36
Onderwerp: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
>Nancy,
>The Sony media converter will work fine for Most of what you want to do.
>The main thing to remember is that you will need to work in dv, with dv
>streams, for the media converter to work via firewire to your tv or vcr.
>Your 8500 had a composite video out so anything would come out that,
>right? The media converter will convert dv to analog and vice versa. If
>you're mainly using the TRV-900 for recording then that wll be dv and
>there is no problem.
If memory serves me well, the TRV-900 is one of the few cams that does an
E-E analog to DV transfer (and vice versa), so you don't have to tape it. In
this respect it functions as a media converter.
FWIW
Ton
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:16:44 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #776
Message-ID: <03df01c09f24$ffcc6c00$41a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Vizion Communication
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: zondag 25 februari 2001 12:35
Onderwerp: Re: DV-L V1 #776
>By the way -- when digest members reply using a number such as #776 those
of
>us who do not take the digest have no immediate way of knowing which thread
>is being referred to..
Neither do the digest readers, since the nr. refers to the digest as a whole
ton
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:00:19 -0700
From: Me
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010225065801.02bc0a00@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Hi,
Varizoom makes a remote zoom control with a wake up button that works like
a dream!
The shut off situation drove me crazy till I bought one of these.
They are control L so a standard extension cable should be available from
your local Radio Shack.
Chuck
At 11:51 AM 2/24/01, you wrote:
>The question about disabling the auto 5 minute shut-off for the Sony
>camcorders was asked, and someone suggested to contact Datavision in the UK
>regarding their Widget.
>
>I contacted them and they told me that they do not have any device to
>disable or by-pass the automatic 5 minute shut-off for the Sony camcorders
>while the camera is in the standby mode for recording to an internal tape
>in the "camera" record setting. The camcorder does not auto shut-off if
>there is no tape in it, but then you would have to record to another
>source. I want to perch the camera on a pole and activate it with the
>remote from up to 50 feet away to record to the internal tape. But if I
>don't momentarily press the record button every 4 1/2 minutes, then the
>camera shuts-off, thereby requiring me to lower the camera and restart it
>manually.
>
>Does anyone know of a method or means to disable this automatic shut-off
>feature??
>
>Thanks,
>Brent Wiscombe
>bwiscombe@msn.com
>Mesa, AZ
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:44:09 EST
From: SPENCERG51@aol.com
To:
Subject: Get me off this list
Message-ID:
Please....
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:10:05 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: UMMMM 16x9 DV Camera
Message-ID: <380534308.983113805778.JavaMail.root@web596-mc>
Jan C. wrote:
"What I want is the same DVC200 in a DVCPRO body with 16:9, firewire and
maybe the opportunity to switch back and forth between DV and DVCPRO."
Here, here for the lady in the blue suit. Now add an optional flip-out LCD
screen. At least Sony listened to me (DSR200)! It won't take the place of
a true color monitor, but it sure is useful feedback when things get hectic
flipping around filter wheels, and it sure is comforatble when shooting
talking heads.
Even old pro's can warm up to the idea.
As for color reproduction, take a look at Sony's LCD on the TRV-900. They
do a damn good job.
A stereo /mono switchable mic would be nice, like the one on the 455.
Make it affordable, too!
-=john markert
www.AccelVideo.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:32:02 EST
From: Jmendza440@cs.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Error codes
Message-ID: <18.946bd7e.27ca7f72@cs.com>
My problem is after loading win98, every time I shut down my system I am
getting this error message:
"A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C001409B in vxd.vmm(01)+0001309B
the current application will be terminated."
Does anybody what this mean? Is there a specific Microsoft website address
for referencing error codes and what they mean?
Thanks in advance.:)
Joselito
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:32:46 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #776
Message-ID: <002601c09f40$4afbe780$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Well in that case I would ask if digest users would consider trying to copy
the subject line from the original posting!!
Thanks
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #776
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Vizion Communication
> Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Datum: zondag 25 februari 2001 12:35
> Onderwerp: Re: DV-L V1 #776
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>
> >By the way -- when digest members reply using a number such as #776 those
> of
> >us who do not take the digest have no immediate way of knowing which
thread
> >is being referred to..
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> Neither do the digest readers, since the nr. refers to the digest as a
whole
> ton
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:38:09 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010225103345.01938168@mail.speakeasy.org>
To add to what David said:
The bigger problem is at the larger airports they x-ray the luggage and the
newer machines have 2 settings: normal and SUPER. If it detects blank spots
it cranks the power up high. High enough to wipe film in an 'x-ray proof'
container.
Not sure how this would affect a videotape, but anyway there's no point in
trying to conceal them like this. And as far as I know nobody's routinely
x-raying packages.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:50:03 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: utterly OT: system mechanic
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010225104017.02ae53c0@mail.speakeasy.org>
No, System Mechanic didn't increase your bandwidth. But if you had some
things set incorrectly (e.g. RWIN) it may have allowed you to achieve your
fullest possible speed at that moment.
Much easier these days to simply go to DSLreports and run their tweak test
(yes it's the same for cable). http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks
BTW: Those speeds are very close to the absolute limit of your NIC, which
is hard to believe, but one things for sure: Since you share that cable
modem with all your neighbors clearly they had all gone offline by the time
you did the second download, so you may have gotten those speeds _without_
a system tweak.
>I just downloaded Matrox's new Video Tools for my
>RT2000, which is a 200-megabyte file, and it took
>about an hour on my cable modem. I was getting speeds
>of about 60kbytes per second, or right about the
>cable's rated max of 512kbits per second. But still,
>an hour is an awfully long time for a download...
>
>I stumbled upon a program called System Mechanic on
>www.download.com. It promises to (among other things)
>optimize your internet connection. I tried it.
>
>WOW. I just downloaded the same file as before, in
>about 20 minutes, at an average download speed of
>160kbytes per second! This little shareware program
>just tripled my internet connection speed. Yowza!
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:55:49 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010225105131.01989538@mail.speakeasy.org>
I think you just have the wrong camera for the purpose. Or you're using it
wrong. I don't know of any outdoor pole-cams that record to internal tape -
who wants to climb up and change the tape all the time?
Just run a cable down to a cheap VHS recorder. Or set it to LP mode and
rewind the tape every X hours. Personally, I'd never trust my good cam
outside - I'd get a cheap webcam if we're talking surveillance work.
>source. I want to perch the camera on a pole and activate it with the
>remote from up to 50 feet away to record to the internal tape. But if I
>don't momentarily press the record button every 4 1/2 minutes, then the
>camera shuts-off, thereby requiring me to lower the camera and restart it
>manually.
>
>Does anyone know of a method or means to disable this automatic shut-off
>feature??
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:59:58 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pulling
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Backup to Mini DV
Message-ID: <20010225155958.28693.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com>
Does anyone know how to backup PC data (not video) to
a Mini DV camera? I would love to take advantage of
all that cheap storage.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John Pulling
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:07:22 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Backup to Mini DV
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010225110603.02af95c8@mail.speakeasy.org>
Short answer: It can't be done. The DV compression scheme isn't compatible
with data storage.
>Does anyone know how to backup PC data (not video) to
>a Mini DV camera? I would love to take advantage of
>all that cheap storage.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:26:17 -0700
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <3A993229.A7531EDB@familydocumentaries.com>
Craig Andreiko wrote:
> I boughtthe JVC miniDV/SVHS/VHS deck on Charles McConathy's advice.
Will this deck allow you to export from a computer via 1394 and record to S-VHS or VHS without recording to mini DV first? And if so, do you get the same great quality? I'm thinking about
ordering this deck, but want to know if I can use it to record programs longer than 60 minutes.
Thanks
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:45:07 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: FYI: Article on Windows Media for Web Video
Message-ID:
There was a recent thread about web video and the location of MS' tools. =
Here's an article on MS' Windows Media tools for compressing video for =
the Web:
http://www.digitalwebcast.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2001/02_feb/fea=
tures/microsoftwebvideo/webvideo1.htm
-Christopher
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:51:42 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <3A98FFDE.2409.19BE1EAE@localhost>
I think film is a whole other, important issue. I always hand carry
film and ask for hand inspection if it looks like old x-ray gear.
Video camera batteries in checked luggage can attract attention. I
was once paged at the airport in Abidjan, Ivory Coast, to come and
open my checked luggage for a hand search in the baggage room
before they would put it on the airplane. The x-ray machine had
flagged the batteries as dark and suspicious.
That was also an airport that made you identify each bag again at
the aircraft before they would load it.
After the experience, I actually have more confidence in the airport
security of that very poor African country than I do in the security at
most US airports I have been in.
Cheers
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:10:35 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
Message-ID: <000a01c09f56$40677620$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
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Dick
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:20:04 -0800
From: Craig Andreiko
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <3A994CD4.D08F6E01@sprynet.com>
I believe you must first record to MiniDV. For me this is not an issue
as I do all work with DSR20 in DVCAM and then send from DVCAM to JVC
MiniDV via 1394 and then make serial dubs. Quality is unaffected and I
am limited to one hour.
James Reidenbaugh wrote:
>
> Craig Andreiko wrote:
>
> > I boughtthe JVC miniDV/SVHS/VHS deck on Charles McConathy's advice.
>
> Will this deck allow you to export from a computer via 1394 and record to S-VHS or VHS without recording to mini DV first? And if so, do you get the same great quality? I'm thinking about
> ordering this deck, but want to know if I can use it to record programs longer than 60 minutes.
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:27:16 -0000
From: "Laurence Payne"
To:
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <004901c09f58$96aafaa0$fa65883e@henry>
I don't think he meant this was to be the permanent use of the camera!
> I think you just have the wrong camera for the purpose. Or you're using it
> wrong. I don't know of any outdoor pole-cams that record to internal
tape -
> who wants to climb up and change the tape all the time?
>
> Just run a cable down to a cheap VHS recorder. Or set it to LP mode and
> rewind the tape every X hours. Personally, I'd never trust my good cam
> outside - I'd get a cheap webcam if we're talking surveillance work.
>
>
>
>
> >source. I want to perch the camera on a pole and activate it with the
> >remote from up to 50 feet away to record to the internal tape. But if I
> >don't momentarily press the record button every 4 1/2 minutes, then the
> >camera shuts-off, thereby requiring me to lower the camera and restart it
> >manually.
> >
> >Does anyone know of a method or means to disable this automatic shut-off
> >feature??
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:41:29 -0700
From: "Chris"
To:
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
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I've been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it to be an
invaluable tool for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding blur to
shots. The Guassian Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In a recent
video I produced, I had failed to color balance on one 10 second shot and it
was very orange. In Video Finesse I sampled something that should have been
white, got a sample of that color, adjusted the red, blue and green to make
it gray and then brought the levels up to white. It worked very well.
I would recommend it to anyone.
Does anyone have any input and experience with Synthetic Aperture's Video
Finesse 2.0? Someone recommended it and I would like to get some input
before trying it.
Dick
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I've=20 been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it to be an = invaluable tool=20 for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding blur to shots. The = Guassian=20 Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In a recent video I = produced, I had=20 failed to color balance on one 10 second shot and it was very orange. In = Video=20 Finesse I sampled something that should have been white, got a sample of = that=20 color, adjusted the red, blue and green to make it gray and then brought = the=20 levels up to white. It worked very well.
I would=20 recommend it to anyone.
Does anyone have any input and = experience with=20 Synthetic Aperture's Video Finesse 2.0? Someone recommended it = and I=20 would like to get some input before trying it.
Dick
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:40:54 -0700
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <3A9951B6.AA80B358@familydocumentaries.com>
Craig Andreiko wrote:
> I believe you must first record to MiniDV. For me this is not an issue
> as I do all work with DSR20 in DVCAM and then send from DVCAM to JVC
> MiniDV via 1394 and then make serial dubs. Quality is unaffected and I
> am limited to one hour.
>
I have a DSR-20 as well. Does the JVC have a monitor out, and can you view the time line from the NLE system via fire wire like the DSR? I just ordered a new G-4 to add to my arsenal and would
like to get another deck and NTSC monitor that would allow the monitor playback.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:03:17 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
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Thanks. does it operate as a stand alone, or is it a plug-in for =
Premiere? Would I use on a clip before editing?
Dick
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To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
I've been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it to be an =
invaluable tool for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding blur to =
shots. The Guassian Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In a =
recent video I produced, I had failed to color balance on one 10 second =
shot and it was very orange. In Video Finesse I sampled something that =
should have been white, got a sample of that color, adjusted the red, =
blue and green to make it gray and then brought the levels up to white. =
It worked very well.
=20
I would recommend it to anyone.
=20
Does anyone have any input and experience with Synthetic Aperture's =
Video Finesse 2.0? Someone recommended it and I would like to get some =
input before trying it.
Dick
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Dick
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Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 = 10:41=20 AM
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I've=20 been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it to be an = invaluable tool=20 for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding blur to shots. The = Guassian=20 Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In a recent video I = produced, I=20 had failed to color balance on one 10 second shot and it was very = orange. In=20 Video Finesse I sampled something that should have been white, got a = sample of=20 that color, adjusted the red, blue and green to make it gray and then = brought=20 the levels up to white. It worked very well.
I=20 would recommend it to anyone.
Does anyone have any input and = experience with=20 Synthetic Aperture's Video Finesse 2.0? Someone recommended it = and I=20 would like to get some input before trying it.
Dick
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:17:28 -0700
From: "Chris Oates"
To:
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
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I use it as a plug in to premiere, I don't know if there's any other way
to use it.
Thanks. does it operate as a stand alone, or is it a plug-in for
Premiere? Would I use on a clip before editing?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0
I've been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it to be an
invaluable tool for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding blur to
shots. The Guassian Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In a recent
video I produced, I had failed to color balance on one 10 second shot and it
was very orange. In Video Finesse I sampled something that should have been
white, got a sample of that color, adjusted the red, blue and green to make
it gray and then brought the levels up to white. It worked very well.
I would recommend it to anyone.
Does anyone have any input and experience with Synthetic Aperture's
Video Finesse 2.0? Someone recommended it and I would like to get some
input before trying it.
Dick
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I use it as a plug in to premiere, I don't know = if there's=20 any other way to use it.
Thanks. does it operate = as a stand=20 alone, or is it a plug-in for Premiere? Would I use on a clip = before=20 editing?
Dick
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From:=20 Chris
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 25, = 2001 10:41=20 AM
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE = 2.0
I've been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it = to be an=20 invaluable tool for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding = blur to=20 shots. The Guassian Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In = a recent=20 video I produced, I had failed to color balance on one 10 second = shot and it=20 was very orange. In Video Finesse I sampled something that should = have been=20 white, got a sample of that color, adjusted the red, blue and green = to make=20 it gray and then brought the levels up to white. It worked very=20 well.
I=20 would recommend it to anyone.
Does anyone have any input and = experience=20 with Synthetic Aperture's Video Finesse 2.0? Someone = recommended it=20 and I would like to get some input before trying it.
Dick
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C09F24.EC228C20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:37:01 EST From: Triglyph@aol.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Powerbook as waveform monitor? Message-ID: <9.117fbc07.27cab8dd@aol.com> I have always desperately wanted a waveform and vectorscope on the set with me but I've never quite had the budget for a decent portable. I have some (specificially Videoscope) that work great on my Powerbook. Anybody have an idea of how to run video into the powerbook and use it as a waveform monitor and vectorscope? Certainly you could capture some and play it back, but who has that kind of time on the set? I'm trying to devise a way to use it "live". This would be a signal coming out of a Betacam or possibly a digital camera. If this can't be done easily, anybody who is a programmer could definitely make some money devising a solution like this. Portable computers are common on the set and good waveform monitors remain expensive. thanks, Blain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: sony vo and bvu .... NOT! Message-ID: <20010225193718.14919.qmail@web4001.mail.yahoo.com> OH...it's probably a PAL thing. I was coming from the NTSC (Never The Same Color) perspective. --- Martin Heffels wrote: > At Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:32:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote > > > >Any VO 5800 deck will play any BVU 800 tape > >and vice versa, and in color. > > >From my experience, I will join the row of playing > back in b/w. I don't > remember > what BVU recorder (was a borrowed one) we used then > exactly, but the material > played b/w in the 5850 (PAL). > > -martin- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Monitors Message-ID: <20010225194041.15148.qmail@web4001.mail.yahoo.com> We've got 3 Viewsonic 19" monitors, all working with Mac's and no problem, so I don't know what to tell ya. --- "Nancy L. Spoolman" wrote: > One more question. My 1710AV died a few months or so > ago. I don't > care to rely on the tiny iMac screen. I've recently > tested 2 > Viewsonic A90's (heard about them through this list > & after some > research decided to try one.) I noticed tiny > diagonal lines & thought > maybe it was because of my older computer. I brought > home an iMac > from work & it did the same thing. I went back to > Office Depot & got > another. It did the same thing. I even brought home > my G3 tower from > work to test it. I still saw the diagonal lines. > After more research > & reading I had someone order a Mitsubishi 900U or > something > comparable. It came in as a NEC multisync FP950. OK. > I liked how it > displayed color & I can live with the two horizontal > lines like the > Apple monitors have. Until I noticed vertical lines > in the center of > the screen & I knew it had been damaged in shipping. > Needless to > say... it was returned. > > Back to square one. A 19" monitor? I don't need the > BNC connectors of > the FP950. All I want is a reliable, sharp, clear > color 19" monitor. > I have not been that impressed with the Apple Studio > Display, but > mine at work came with the G3 tower, so maybe they > have improved... > except they are 17". Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance! > > Nancy S. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: RE: UMMMM 16x9 DV Camera Message-ID: <20010225194525.22941.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com> I agree about the flip out LCD screen. In fact, I bought a DSR250 for a specific shoot because it had that feature. The LCD is not something you'd want to use for accurate color checking--it's simply a way to look at what you're doing, even when you're standing beside the camera, and to playback for a couple of people to see what you got. It's also great for those doggiecam type handheld knee-level shots. --- john markert wrote: > Jan C. wrote: > > "What I want is the same DVC200 in a DVCPRO body > with 16:9, firewire and > maybe the opportunity to switch back and forth > between DV and DVCPRO." > > Here, here for the lady in the blue suit. Now add > an optional flip-out LCD > screen. At least Sony listened to me (DSR200)! It > won't take the place of > a true color monitor, but it sure is useful feedback > when things get hectic > flipping around filter wheels, and it sure is > comforatble when shooting > talking heads. > Even old pro's can warm up to the idea. > > As for color reproduction, take a look at Sony's LCD > on the TRV-900. They > do a damn good job. > > A stereo /mono switchable mic would be nice, like > the one on the 455. > > Make it affordable, too! > > -=john markert > www.AccelVideo.com > ______________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:45:31 EST From: Triglyph@aol.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input Message-ID: <24.119d2e42.27cabadb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/25/01 4:16:57 AM, guiking@xs4all.nl writes: << the TRV-900 is one of the few cams that does an E-E analog to DV transfer >> By that do you mean that you can input analog and the output DV is available on the firewire? I tried doing this with a Canon Elura but when I plug in the analog, it turns off the firewire. I'm trying to figure out a workaround. Right now I have to record everything to mini-DV, then capture from there. If I could input analog and output DV, I could skip a step which would save an enormous amount of time. thanks blain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:50:07 -0800 From: "Dick Lague" To: Subject: Re: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0 Message-ID: <005001c09f64$282f2c20$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C09F21.19966E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just downloaded a demo version. It seems to be pretty good. Thanks = for the information. Dick Lague ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Oates=20 To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0 I use it as a plug in to premiere, I don't know if there's any = other way to use it. =20 Thanks. does it operate as a stand alone, or is it a plug-in for = Premiere? Would I use on a clip before editing? Dick ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE 2.0 I've been using Video Finesse for about a year and find it to be = an invaluable tool for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding blur = to shots. The Guassian Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. In a = recent video I produced, I had failed to color balance on one 10 second = shot and it was very orange. In Video Finesse I sampled something that = should have been white, got a sample of that color, adjusted the red, = blue and green to make it gray and then brought the levels up to white. = It worked very well. =20 I would recommend it to anyone. =20 Does anyone have any input and experience with Synthetic = Aperture's Video Finesse 2.0? Someone recommended it and I would like = to get some input before trying it. Dick ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C09F21.19966E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just downloaded a demo version. = It seems to=20 be pretty good. Thanks for the information.
Dick Lague
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris = Oates=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 = 11:17=20 AM
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE = 2.0
I use it as a plug in to premiere, I don't = know if=20 there's any other way to use it.
Thanks. does it = operate as a=20 stand alone, or is it a plug-in for Premiere? Would I use on a = clip=20 before editing?
Dick
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Chris=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 25, = 2001 10:41=20 AM
Subject: RE: VIDEO FINESSE = 2.0
I've been using Video Finesse for about a year and find = it to be an=20 invaluable tool for adjusting levels, adjusting color and adding = blur to=20 shots. The Guassian Blur is a little pixilated but still useful. = In a=20 recent video I produced, I had failed to color balance on one 10 = second=20 shot and it was very orange. In Video Finesse I sampled something = that=20 should have been white, got a sample of that color, adjusted the = red, blue=20 and green to make it gray and then brought the levels up to white. = It=20 worked very well.
I=20 would recommend it to anyone.
Does anyone have any input and = experience=20 with Synthetic Aperture's Video Finesse 2.0? Someone = recommended=20 it and I would like to get some input before trying = it.
Dick
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:00:45 -0500
From: "Henry, Mark"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Real-World test (was, lousy VHS dubs from DV)
Message-ID: <119EBEAD8C32D4119AF90006290DF28E0C1B84@exchange>
I think this is a great idea and exactly the kind of practical, real-world testing that would be meaningful to me. I'd be willing to participate. My dubbing setup is a Sony GV-D900 (MiniDV) going into a JVC HR-S4600U (S-VHS) via s-video cable and dual RCA for audio. Let me know the details of how to proceed with the test.
Mark Henry
ABWE Media
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Andreiko [mailto:andreikoc@sprynet.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:41 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Hi,
I have an idea (maybe not a good one) on this topic. I have fought the
dub battle with high quality equipment: PD100, DSR20, SVO2100, TBC,
ProcAmps, Monster cables, Fuji Master tapes, video signal books, blah,
blah, blah. Although some, (people at Promax seminars, etc) thought my
dubs were good I was never satisfied. I wanted my tapes to play as well
as commercial VHS tapes. I think a lot of this discussion is steered by
different peoples values on what looks good. You have practical video
folks and you have people like me who are tend to be perfectionists.
Anyway, after a year of chasing this target I boughtthe JVC
miniDV/SVHS/VHS deck on Charles McConathy's advice. BTW, I am in no way
associated with Promax but I have found them to be completely credible
and Charles' advice has been unerring. OK, I got the deck, made a dub
and was blown away. Apparently JVC used some of their tricks to turn
this deck into what it is: a pro dub deck made just for our purpose.
To the chase: I would be glad to make dubs of some DV stuff on my
simple, push the button deck and send it to a couple of the video
knowledgeable folks on the list if some of the other guys will do same
with their rigs. Obviuosly we have to dub the same thing. Maybe Vidiot
or Charles would agree to rank the dubs?
Craig Andreiko
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:45:51 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Message-ID: <008201c09f6b$f15a06e0$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I believe the VX-2000 does the same thing. Actually I have 2 options. With
the Pinnacle DV-500 card I have full analog input, so you can capture and
analog file and then copy it back to "DV.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
>
> In a message dated 2/25/01 4:16:57 AM, guiking@xs4all.nl writes:
>
> << the TRV-900 is one of the few cams that does an
>
> E-E analog to DV transfer >>
>
> By that do you mean that you can input analog and the output DV is
available
> on the firewire? I tried doing this with a Canon Elura but when I plug in
> the analog, it turns off the firewire. I'm trying to figure out a
workaround.
>
> Right now I have to record everything to mini-DV, then capture from there.
> If I could input analog and output DV, I could skip a step which would
save
> an enormous amount of time.
>
> thanks
> blain
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:43:23 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <1010225124323.412ff29.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1057174@mail.promax.com>
James Reidenbaugh Wrote
>
>
>Craig Andreiko wrote:
>
>> I boughtthe JVC miniDV/SVHS/VHS deck on Charles McConathy's advice.
>
>Will this deck allow you to export from a computer via 1394 and record to
>S-VHS or VHS without recording to mini DV first? And if so, do you get
>the same great quality? I'm thinking about
>ordering this deck, but want to know if I can use it to record programs
>longer than 60 minutes.
>
>Thanks
You must first record to DV before making a S-VHS/VHS tape. FireWire does
not pass thorugh.
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:51:50 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
Message-ID: <047001c09f6c$e9c41500$41a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Triglyph@aol.com
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: zondag 25 februari 2001 20:46
Onderwerp: Re: Firewire to Composite output/input
>
>In a message dated 2/25/01 4:16:57 AM, guiking@xs4all.nl writes:
>
><< the TRV-900 is one of the few cams that does an
>
>E-E analog to DV transfer >>
>
>By that do you mean that you can input analog and the output DV is
available
>on the firewire?
Yip, that's it.
I tried doing this with a Canon Elura but when I plug in
>the analog, it turns off the firewire. I'm trying to figure out a
workaround.
As I said: it's only a few cams that can do this trick and AFAIR the TRV-900
is one of these.
ton
>
>Right now I have to record everything to mini-DV, then capture from there.
>If I could input analog and output DV, I could skip a step which would save
>an enormous amount of time.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:11:36 -0600
From: "Geo. Kaplan"
To:
Subject: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
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I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be off=
ering a =20
upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool k=
it corrects.
Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the th=
e Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire? =20
I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought" t=
he AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the righ=
t thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will get the=
info he needs, but now I would like to know.
Thanks
Geo.Kaplan
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I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be o= ffering a
upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem th= at the Promax DVtool kit corrects.
Is this available= now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the the Panasonic AJ-D2= 50H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
I = spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought" the = AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the right t= hing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will get the in= fo he needs, but now I would like to know.
T= hanks
Geo.Kaplan
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:18:18 -0700
From: "Brent Wiscombe"
To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <008601c09f70$e8b05e40$b7cf0118@mesa1.az.home.com>
> I think you just have the wrong camera for the purpose. Or you're using
it
> wrong. I don't know of any outdoor pole-cams that record to internal
tape -
> who wants to climb up and change the tape all the time?
> Just run a cable down to a cheap VHS recorder. Or set it to LP mode and
> rewind the tape every X hours. Personally, I'd never trust my good cam
> outside - I'd get a cheap webcam if we're talking surveillance work.
I use the camera to tape concerts, dance performances, or similar
situations were I want a camera mounted up high to be able to get an aerial
viewcam style look. I often do not have power available to plug in a
separate VCR, so the internal tape is used for recording. I may not want to
have the camcorder running the entire time of the concert, otherwise it
would run out of tape, so I want to be able to pause the recording at
various times for more than 5 minutes.
So I need a means to either disable the 5 minute automatic shut-off or have
a "wake-up" feature for the camcorder.
Any other suggestions??
Thanks,
Brent Wiscombe
bwiscombe@msn.com
Mesa, AZ
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:42:20 +0000
From: Fogar
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224163631.020bcfe8@popmail.libero.it>
Hi,
the only thing I would like to tell you is that I traveled
a lot in South America and I have never had any problems with the X-Rays.
I use DVCam tape.
Bye Fogar
>Is this a problem? Do security X-Ray machines cause
>a problem with either MiniDV or VHS? What about
>your experience at the airport? What do you all do
>in regard to checked luggage or carry-on?
>
>Jeff Hamman
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:25:29 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To: ,
"Cawan Starks"
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Message-ID: <1010225132530.415510a.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1057419@mail.promax.com>
Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, our
tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to get it
to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
1-800-977-6629
>
>
>I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be
>offering a
>upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool
>kit corrects.
>Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the the
>Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>
> I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought"
>the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the
>right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will get
>the info he needs, but now I would like to know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Geo.Kaplan
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>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:23:57 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: OTish:Setting up a talkback system in a video lab
Message-ID:
I was wondering if there are those of you who may be able to let me know of
a simple solution to my current dilemma.
Background:
I am setting up a lab where there is a control room and a test room.
The test room has a PZM mic and a speaker. The control room has a gooseneck
and a speaker.
The person in the control room needs to be able to press a button on the
gooseneck to speak to someone in the test room, without causing feedback
through the PZM and into the speaker in the control room back into the
gooseneck, etc.
Question:
Is there a one-mixer solution to this, where, when pressing a button on a
gooseneck mic, it mutes a powered monitor somehow? Some way of simply
routing the audio so that I don't have to hardwire everything?
Feel free to respond in private, even if you are just pointing me somewhere
that may help.
Thanks,
Derek
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:01:14 -0800 (PST)
From: dv-l@public.atreides.org (Amy Hughes)
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: FCP fuzzy capture
Message-ID: <20010225220114.733221D83@foxtrot.rahul.net>
I've been capturing home-video type stuff in FCP for a year or so and
have been very happy. But recently my captures have looked kinda out-of-
focus.
My setup:
Analog camcorder (DV without firewire port - old machine)
Sony DVMC-DA1 media converter
G4/450 Mac OS 8.6
FCP 1.2
The camcorder is connected to the media converter via s-video and the
converter is connected to the monitor (a 20" television) via composite
video and to the computer via firewire, of course.
I'm aware that the preview window video isn't going to be high-quality,
but playback on the TV isn't up-to-par, either. Still exports show the
problem. Here are some samples...
http://www.amyhughes.org/lego/church/PreciousInChurch02.jpg
http://www.amyhughes.org/lego/church/top01.jpg
That last one shows the yellow bleeding. That's pretty much what the
video looks like on TV, too.
This particular clip looks okay...
http://www.amyhughes.org/anya/anya111900f.jpg
but was shot and captured in the time between the other two. It may
just look okay because it doesn't have any bright colors.
For all these recent shots, playback from tape directly to TV
(through the media converter via s-video and composite analog
cables) looks fine.
I was going to upload a still from an old video so you could see that
it used to work, but stills from old clips also look bad. The video
looks fine (on TV) but the stills exibit the color bleeding you see
in the top01.jpg shot.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Amy
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:18:41 -0800
From: h2ofun@h2ofun.net (Dave Campbell)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DSR-11 ?? or ?
Message-ID: <3A9984C1.DF1808DA@h2ofun.net>
I agree 100%. I wanted to potentially record HD onto DV tape which the LP
mode would not be as critical maybe.
dave
Walt wrote:
> Dave,
>
> You're not seriously considering LP mode for anything important are you?
>
> LP mode is even more sensitive to dropouts or alignment differences between
> decks than DV. DVCAM and DVCPRO were both developed using faster tape speeds
> to insure better performance than DV for professional applications. After
> spending all of the time and money necessary to get a DV camera, deck and
> NLE I can't see any reason to risk it all on saving a little on tape costs.
> Nobody yet knows how long DV tape will last but you can be sure that those
> recorded in LP mode will fail sooner than their more robust counterparts.
>
> My rule of thumb is to always record, capture, and scan at the highest
> resolution and on the best quality media I can afford. It's sort of like the
> three most useless things in flying are the altitude above you, the runway
> behind you, and the fuel left on the ground. I want all of the bits of
> digital information possible to start. I can always reduce them for
> distribution purposes but once you've given them up there's no way to get
> them back.
>
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Campbell"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:13 AM
> Subject: DSR-11 ?? or ?
>
> > Can this unit do LP mode?
> >
> > Does this unit have random editing like the DHR-1000?
> >
> > Could this unit be used with a DHR-1000 to do random editing between
> > decks?
> >
> > (When I mean random editing, its the 16 input memory that lets me grab
> > the scenes
> > from one tape in order to the other)
> >
> > Is there a cheaper Sony DV deck that can use full size tapes and do LP
> > mode?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > dave
> >
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:28:59 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re:Sony VO and BVU: OT comment
Message-ID: <86.75cf78b.27cae12b@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/23/01 12:11:00 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,
perry.mitchell@btinternet.com writes:
<< If anybody was confused by some of the replies, it should be pointed out
that whilst the NTSC VO and BVU standards were almost the same, in PAL
the two were different. >>
some things change, some things remain the same... reminds me it's not
platform or format wars, it's regionalism and corporate hegemonies. hmmmm,
actually in my case, it's probably too many Sunday monrning news shows.
To the beach!
Aloha,
adr
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:44:40 -0500
From: Jeff Hamman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID:
Joe Parker wrote:
> Not sure how this would affect a videotape, but anyway there's no
> point in trying to conceal them like this. And as far as I know
> nobody's routinely x-raying packages.
Specifically, I am sending a VHS to an important figure at the
Pentagon. I am just speculating that they routinely X-Ray.
Maybe not, but if they get a damaged tape, they may just toss it
aside and figure it was a bad dub or something.
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:55:04 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: sony vo and bvu .... NOT!
Message-ID: <8f.7605390.27cae748@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/24/01 4:53:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
jrlynch@lynchfilms.com writes:
<< a real concern about older 3/4 decks is oxide sheading from the tape, which
you learn the hard way as the heads clog in a BIG way. >>
I bet you're right! Just found a 3/4 tape from 1983 and was all excited
'bout reviewing it. now I gotta find the brillo pads and the Ajax, or at
least the new fangled freon-less chems and my chammy. Luckily, the heads are
the size of Buicks.
O, yeah FF>RW first.
adr
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:01:45 -0500
From: Jeff Hamman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID:
Jeff Hamman wrote:
>Specifically, I am sending a VHS to an important figure at the
>Pentagon. I am just speculating that they routinely X-Ray.
Or, stated another way (in which I was trying to avoid):
Does anyone know if the Pentagon routinely X-Rays incoming
mail packages for important figures?
Ah, wait. There is a knock at my door. I guess I will get
my answer soon enough. ;-)
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:00:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "John D. Skov"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Monitors
Message-ID:
I would suggest looking at Iiyama. We have two Vision Master 450's on our
Media 100 system, and they work like a dream. It is the flatest CRT I
have ever seen (my sony trinitron at home feels like a bubble now).
Looking at the website (www.iiyama.com) I see that they don't do the 450
anymore, but the 451 is the same thing with the addition on a USB hub and
speaker. Other big difference would be that ours is BNC and Dsub, the new
one is switchable between two Dsubs.
Looking at the FAQ there, they also mention the two horizontal lines:
"Q:What are those two, hair-thin lines running horizontally across my Pro
series Monitor?
These are called tension wires and all Aperture Grille (including TrueFlat
CRT )monitors have them, no matter who the manufacturer is. They dampen
vibration of the Aperture Grille.They can only be seen in a light or white
background and do not interfere with any of your applications."
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Nancy L. Spoolman wrote:
> One more question. My 1710AV died a few months or so ago. I don't
> care to rely on the tiny iMac screen. I've recently tested 2
> Viewsonic A90's (heard about them through this list & after some
> research decided to try one.) I noticed tiny diagonal lines & thought
> maybe it was because of my older computer. I brought home an iMac
> from work & it did the same thing. I went back to Office Depot & got
> another. It did the same thing. I even brought home my G3 tower from
> work to test it. I still saw the diagonal lines. After more research
> & reading I had someone order a Mitsubishi 900U or something
> comparable. It came in as a NEC multisync FP950. OK. I liked how it
> displayed color & I can live with the two horizontal lines like the
> Apple monitors have. Until I noticed vertical lines in the center of
> the screen & I knew it had been damaged in shipping. Needless to
> say... it was returned.
>
> Back to square one. A 19" monitor? I don't need the BNC connectors of
> the FP950. All I want is a reliable, sharp, clear color 19" monitor.
> I have not been that impressed with the Apple Studio Display, but
> mine at work came with the G3 tower, so maybe they have improved...
> except they are 17". Any suggestions?
--
John D. Skov
Video Production
Didjacast Multimedia
diego@prairie.lakes.com
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:20:42 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <00c601c09f81$933cb240$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
Not since Linda Tripp was fired.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Hamman
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
> Jeff Hamman wrote:
>
> >Specifically, I am sending a VHS to an important figure at the
> >Pentagon. I am just speculating that they routinely X-Ray.
>
> Or, stated another way (in which I was trying to avoid):
> Does anyone know if the Pentagon routinely X-Rays incoming
> mail packages for important figures?
>
> Ah, wait. There is a knock at my door. I guess I will get
> my answer soon enough. ;-)
>
> Jeff
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:02:32 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Get me off this list
Message-ID:
On 2/25/01 9:44 AM, SPENCERG51@aol.com got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> Please....
You're off.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:11:54 -0600
From: "Geo. Kaplan"
To:
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Message-ID:
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Thanks For The Information. Everything is working fine, but I have not up=
graded my OS or FCP since I got the system. When OS X is out and FCP 2.0 =
I will want to do that then. Has the Dvtool kit been upgraded to work wit=
h FCP 1.25? . A better question is: What is the latest Combo of FCP, QT, =
Firewire and DVtool kits that all work together. I had a problem once and=
I uninstalled everything to go back to the original configuration that I=
knew worked...I've been too afraid and too busy to "risk" an update.
Thanks Again
Geo.Kaplan
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles F. McConathy
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:26 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org; Cawan Starks
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, our
tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to get it
to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
1-800-977-6629
>
>
>I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be
>offering a
>upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool
>kit corrects.
>Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the t=
he
>Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>
> I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought"
>the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the
>right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will ge=
t
>the info he needs, but now I would like to know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Geo.Kaplan
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Thanks Again
Geo.= Kaplan
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Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:26 PM
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">To: DV-L@dvcentral.org; Cawan = Starks
Subject: Re: Pan= asonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, ou= r
tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to ge= t it
to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
1-800-977-6629=
>
>
>I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I hea= rd that Panasonic may be
>offering a
>upgrade. It would fix t= he output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool
>kit corrects.
= >Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how th= e the
>Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>> I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thoug= ht"
>the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told = him the
>right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I k= now he will get
>the info he needs, but now I would like to know.>
>Thanks
>
>Geo.Kaplan
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:56:04 -0500
From: "Don Mitchell"
To:
Subject: [OT] Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <001601c09f8e$e5766d50$0164640a@zeus>
Is this a slow news day and are we heading towards Working_With_The_Pentagon
stories?
If so, here are mine, early-mid 90s vintage:
#1.
Got an RFP.
Produced a 3/4" thick proposal offering to deliver special purpose
(non-defense) turnkey software to Pentagon (Army subdivision). Many, many
times in the proposal the exact specs of the computing system and O/S were
declared: VAX / VMS.
Proposal accepted, contract signed, again with multiple references to
VAX/VMS.
I call down to the appropriate IT guy, When shall I send the TK50 tape with
the software?
Response: TK50? VMS? VAX? We don't have any of those. We use 386 PCs
running Windows 3.1. You'll have to rewrite the software.
We wanted the work and didn't want to deal with any lawyers, so we did.
#2. Part of the job involved having soldiers fasten a couple of ID related
items. The soldiers didn't do a very good job. I complained to the
colonel, saying "That job had to be done right." The colonel replied, "You
didn't tell me it had to be done right. You just said it had to be done."
It's all true. I worked for them for 4 years -- a tiny sub-chapter S
corporation working for the Army. It was, as they say, interesting.
Don Mitchell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
> Not since Linda Tripp was fired.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Hamman
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
>
>
> > Jeff Hamman wrote:
> >
> > >Specifically, I am sending a VHS to an important figure at the
> > >Pentagon. I am just speculating that they routinely X-Ray.
> >
> > Or, stated another way (in which I was trying to avoid):
> > Does anyone know if the Pentagon routinely X-Rays incoming
> > mail packages for important figures?
> >
> > Ah, wait. There is a knock at my door. I guess I will get
> > my answer soon enough. ;-)
> >
> > Jeff
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:22:01 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D768@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
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George,
I have Final Cut Pro 1.2.5, OS9.04, Quicktime 4.1.2 working in the lab with
no DV Toolkit. The software on your AJ-D230H can be upgraded to work the
same as mine. If you go to the Panasonic web page.
http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/IEEE/index.html
you can download a pdf file
for your specific machine, check the software versions in the AJ-D230H.
They probably do not match and I am sure that Charles or any DVCPRO
authorized service center can arrange to get the upgrade for you. This file
will be very useful once you do have the upgrade as it tells you all the
menu settings, etc.
Hope that helps,
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: Geo. Kaplan [mailto:gkaplan57@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:12 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Thanks For The Information. Everything is working fine, but I have not
upgraded my OS or FCP since I got the system. When OS X is out and FCP 2.0 I
will want to do that then. Has the Dvtool kit been upgraded to work with FCP
1.25? . A better question is: What is the latest Combo of FCP, QT, Firewire
and DVtool kits that all work together. I had a problem once and I
uninstalled everything to go back to the original configuration that I knew
worked...I've been too afraid and too busy to "risk" an update.
Thanks Again
Geo.Kaplan
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles F. McConathy
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:26 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org; Cawan Starks
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, our
tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to get it
to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
1-800-977-6629
>
>
>I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be
>offering a
>upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool
>kit corrects.
>Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the the
>Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>
> I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought"
>the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the
>right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will get
>the info he needs, but now I would like to know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Geo.Kaplan
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>
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George,
I have Final Cut Pro 1.2.5, OS9.04, Quicktime 4.1.2 working in the lab with no DV Toolkit. The software on your AJ-D230H can be upgraded to work the same as mine. If you go to the Panasonic web page. http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/IEEE/index.html you can download a pdf file for your specific machine, check the software versions in the AJ-D230H. They probably do not match and I am sure that Charles or any DVCPRO authorized service center can arrange to get the upgrade for you. This file will be very useful once you do have the upgrade as it tells you all the menu settings, etc.
Hope that helps,
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: Geo. Kaplan [mailto:gkaplan57@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:12 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Thanks For The Information. Everything is working fine, but I have not upgraded my OS or FCP since I got the system. When OS X is out and FCP 2.0 I will want to do that then. Has the Dvtool kit been upgraded to work with FCP 1.25? . A better question is: What is the latest Combo of FCP, QT, Firewire and DVtool kits that all work together. I had a problem once and I uninstalled everything to go back to the original configuration that I knew worked...I've been too afraid and too busy to "risk" an update.
Thanks Again
Geo.Kaplan
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles F. McConathy
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:26 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org; Cawan Starks
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, our
tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to get it
to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
1-800-977-6629
>
>
>I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be
>offering a
>upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool
>kit corrects.
>Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the the
>Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>
> I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought"
>the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the
>right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will get
>the info he needs, but now I would like to know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Geo.Kaplan
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:36:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: DV-SP
Message-ID: <20010226033607.79882.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com>
I read a message from a read how she/he liked the
errors in the DV codec because he/she thought it
looked more like real life.
I remember the discusions about how, ultimately, the
errors in the DV codec destroy really good chroma key
in post.
Ultimately, I want 4:2:2 compression, with a tape-head
speed that at least gets into the ring with old
analoge technology such as Betacam-SP (r). Without any
loss. RLL encoding or such. On a cheap PC or
camcorder.
Who will step up to the plate and invent DV-SP?
PLEASE! NOT SONY!
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:58:09 -0500
From: "bullardc"
To:
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <002801c09fc1$976d4880$9a14850a@bh>
Pushing the photo button also wakes it up(without a varizoom)
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:18:44 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <6374F3C332F@vilas.uwex.edu>
In another thread, Bill wrote:
>That's why Radio Shack stores exist. <
I was wiring up my new editing rack the other day, and it turned out
I needed a couple S-Video+audio cables to finish it up. Went to
the Rat Shack I always go to, picked up the (absurdly expensive) 3'
cables and took them to the counter.
"What's your address?" the salesdrone asked.
THIS frosts me.
Now, I'm a pretty bad civil libertarian, not too concerned about
"privacy issues" per se' , but why, oh WHY can't I just pay for a
freakin' cable at RatShack without being re-entered into their
database for the ten thousandth time?
Of course, the guy can't type. It takes an eternity (it seems) to
swipe my card, get a reciept out of the printer...THEN he carbons
my card onto the reciept! WHAAAAAT?
And this is a TECHNOLOGY company?
As recently as the late '70's RatShack had competition...Lafayette
and some other stores. Gawd, how I miss those guys.
Rant off.
Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
ICQ# 26415869
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:19:54 -0800
From: Craig Andreiko
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <3A99D96A.C8308F0A@sprynet.com>
The JVC has both component, Composite, and s-video out. Not sure about
your second question.
James Reidenbaugh wrote:
>
> Craig Andreiko wrote:
>
> > I believe you must first record to MiniDV. For me this is not an issue
> > as I do all work with DSR20 in DVCAM and then send from DVCAM to JVC
> > MiniDV via 1394 and then make serial dubs. Quality is unaffected and I
> > am limited to one hour.
> >
>
> I have a DSR-20 as well. Does the JVC have a monitor out, and can you view the time line from the NLE system via fire wire like the DSR? I just ordered a new G-4 to add to my arsenal and would
> like to get another deck and NTSC monitor that would allow the monitor playback.
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:21:11 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID:
Sorry for adding to an OT rant, but I just finished networking my house and
needed a simple Cat5e cable, because I miscounted while at Fry's (a longer
drive from my house by far).
"What does the "e" stand for?" he said. And no, they didn't have them. Only
Cat5.
I am trying to understand who they are trying sell product to these days.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503 [mailto:johnsonb@wpt.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:19 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: My Rat Shack rant
In another thread, Bill wrote:
>That's why Radio Shack stores exist. <
I was wiring up my new editing rack the other day, and it turned out
I needed a couple S-Video+audio cables to finish it up. Went to
the Rat Shack I always go to, picked up the (absurdly expensive) 3'
cables and took them to the counter.
"What's your address?" the salesdrone asked.
THIS frosts me.
Now, I'm a pretty bad civil libertarian, not too concerned about
"privacy issues" per se' , but why, oh WHY can't I just pay for a
freakin' cable at RatShack without being re-entered into their
database for the ten thousandth time?
Of course, the guy can't type. It takes an eternity (it seems) to
swipe my card, get a reciept out of the printer...THEN he carbons
my card onto the reciept! WHAAAAAT?
And this is a TECHNOLOGY company?
As recently as the late '70's RatShack had competition...Lafayette
and some other stores. Gawd, how I miss those guys.
Rant off.
Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
ICQ# 26415869
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:06:51 -0800
From: andrew kohl
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Slightly OT: solar powered battery chargers?
Message-ID: <3A9A0E9B.FD756B78@golden.net>
Anyone used any type of solar powered battery chargers for Mini DV
cameras in remote locations?
Thanks, Andrew
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:49:36 -0500
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <000401c09fc0$487c0b40$c955a818@nyc.rr.com>
"Television audiences have consistently rejected interactive experiences
in favor of passive viewing. Will this be
the same on the web? It's unsure. Yes, the nature of the hardware has
changed, but I think mainstream audiences still want to come home after
a long day and be passively entertained."
1) I agree totally with you that the majority of the applications being
promoted for WEB VIDEO are, in fact, video/movie experiences.
2) I reject the notion that these are "passive." Listening to Bach is
hardly passive.
3) I suggest that other than for advertising -- what is promoted as an
alternative to the so called "passive" media -- is simply "multi-media"
sent via the net.
4) Faculty that "teach" MM should expect MM to join: new math, new
music, random music, neo-anything, fusion jazz, ebonics, "theater of the
...", "... studies", and non-narrative film. And where is this? In
classrooms where "teachers" "teach" all this to students.
The promise of the net is to make available vast libraries of film and
video to anyone, any where, at any time. But to experience these films
requires BETTER THAN NTSC (preferable HD) -- not worse than NTSC.
I'm not saying it won't happen, because it will -- but it will be a long
time before a world-wide, high-bandwidth, no delay -- infra-structure is
up and running.
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:51:03 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Message-ID: <3A99FCD8.D88B41A8@pacbell.net>
Charos wrote:
> I read a message from a read how she/he liked the
> errors in the DV codec because he/she thought it
> looked more like real life.
>
> I remember the discusions about how, ultimately, the
> errors in the DV codec destroy really good chroma key
> in post.
>
> Ultimately, I want 4:2:2 compression, with a tape-head
> speed that at least gets into the ring with old
> analoge technology such as Betacam-SP (r). Without any
> loss. RLL encoding or such. On a cheap PC or
> camcorder.
>
> Who will step up to the plate and invent DV-SP?
>
> PLEASE! NOT SONY!
>
> - Bill Carpenter
> Athena Productions
>
Try JVC's D-9 it is 4.2.2 and a low 3.3-1 compression rate and compares very well to DigiBeta. Panasonic's DVCPro 50 is the same codec as D-9 but different tape formate but more expensive
than D-9 but less than DigiBeta. DVCPro 50 also uses med and large DV cassettes whereas D-9 uses VHS sized stock. For the price nothing beats DV and DV is somewhat better in image quality
compared to BetaSP but you are comparing apples and tanks(Digital to analog) they both have their own problems.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:52:29 -0600
From: Perro Loco Productions
To:
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID:
on 2/26/01 12:49 AM, Steve Mullen at d-v-c@mindspring.com wrote:
> I'm not saying it won't happen, because it will -- but it will be a long
> time before a world-wide, high-bandwidth, no delay -- infra-structure is
> up and running.
Couldn't agree more. Look at the Hughes and Echostar satellite systems.
DirecTV uses about 5 birds to broadcast a few hundred channels of MPEG-2
video and audio, with each of these channels delivering "fixed" content.
Can you imagine the infrastructure it will actually require to fullfil the
dream of on-demand, anything, anytime, anywhere? Good grief!
Maybe around 2020, 2015 if we push really hard. And that's just North
America.
IMHO
--
Jason Ahles
Perro Loco Productions | Einstein Design
http://www.perroloco.com | http://www.einstein-design.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:35:41 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Sony VO and BVU?
Message-ID:
The 3/4 tapes (SP or not) will playback on any 3/4 machine - you probably
just won't avail of the high-band SP capability if you play a non-SP tape in
a U-Matic SP machine. And it should also play in color - b/w is another
problem and has nothing to do with SP, VO, or BVU issues.
I don't know about you guys, but I always found these beasts to be
beautifully robust in comparison with the UVW Betacams.
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:billgone@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 7:20 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony VO and BVU?
Before you buy an old 3/4 deck, make sure the 3/4
tapes you have are standard and not 3/4 SP--for those
you'll need a 3/4 SP deck.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:07:22 +0100
From: Ferenc Koscso
To:
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Message-ID:
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Jan,
I bet you mean it works in NTSC. How about poor users in PAL land?
Ferenc
--------------------
>
> George,
>
> I have Final Cut Pro 1.2.5, OS9.04, Quicktime 4.1.2 working in the lab with no
> DV Toolkit. The software on your AJ-D230H can be upgraded to work the same as
> mine. If you go to the Panasonic web page.
> http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/IEEE/index.html you can download a pdf file for
> your specific machine, check the software versions in the AJ-D230H. They
> probably do not match and I am sure that Charles or any DVCPRO authorized
> service center can arrange to get the upgrade for you. This file will be very
> useful once you do have the upgrade as it tells you all the menu settings,
> etc.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Jan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geo. Kaplan [mailto:gkaplan57@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:12 PM
>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
>>
>> Thanks For The Information. Everything is working fine, but I have not
>> upgraded my OS or FCP since I got the system. When OS X is out and FCP 2.0 I
>> will want to do that then. Has the Dvtool kit been upgraded to work with FCP
>> 1.25? . A better question is: What is the latest Combo of FCP, QT, Firewire
>> and DVtool kits that all work together. I had a problem once and I
>> uninstalled everything to go back to the original configuration that I knew
>> worked...I've been too afraid and too busy to "risk" an update.
>>
>> Thanks Again
>>
> Geo.Kaplan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charles F. McConathy
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:26 PM
>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org; Cawan Starks
>> Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
>>
>> Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
>>
>> The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, our
>> tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to get it
>> to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charles F. McConathy
>> www.promax.com
>> 1-800-977-6629
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be
>>> >offering a
>>> >upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool
>>> >kit corrects.
>>> >Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the the
>>> >Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>>> >
>>> > I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "thought"
>>> >the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the
>>> >right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will get
>>> >the info he needs, but now I would like to know.
>>> >
>>> >Thanks
>>> >
>>> >Geo.Kaplan
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com
>>> >
>>
>>
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>> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>>
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>
>
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Jan,
I bet you mean it works in NTSC. How about poor users in PAL land?
Ferenc
--------------------
George,
I have Final Cut Pro 1.2.5, OS9.04, Quicktime 4= .1.2 working in the lab with no DV Toolkit. The software on your AJ-D2= 30H can be upgraded to work the same as mine. If you go to the Panason= ic web page. http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/IEEE/index.h= tml you can download a pdf file for your specific machine, check the softwar= e versions in the AJ-D230H. They probably do not match and I am sure t= hat Charles or any DVCPRO authorized service center can arrange to get= the upgrade for you. This file will be very useful once you do have t= he upgrade as it tells you all the menu settings, etc.
Hope that helps,
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: Geo. Kaplan [mailto:gkaplan57@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:12 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Thanks For The Information. = Everything is working fine, but I have not upgraded my OS or FCP since I got= the system. When OS X is out and FCP 2.0 I will want to do that then. Has t= he Dvtool kit been upgraded to work with FCP 1.25? . A better question is: W= hat is the latest Combo of FCP, QT, Firewire and DVtool kits that all work t= ogether. I had a problem once and I uninstalled everything to go back to the= original configuration that I knew worked...I've been too afraid and too bu= sy to "risk" an update.
Thanks Again
Geo.Kaplan
----- Original Message -----
From: Cha= rles F. McConathy
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:26 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org; Cawan Starks
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Geo. Kaplan Wrote:
The AJ-D250H works fine out of the box. I am going to copy Cawan, our
tech support manager, to give advice on what to do with a 230H to get it to work properly. I think it might need a firmware upgrade?
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
1-800-977-6629
>
>
>I have a AJ-D230H deck and a while back I heard that Panasonic may be >offering a
>upgrade. It would fix the output to tape problem that the Promax DVtool=
>kit corrects.
>Is this available now or when will it be? Does anyboby know of how the = the
>Panasonic AJ-D250H (sp) deck works with Firewire?
>
> I spoke to someone this week about a system and I told him I "tho= ught"
>the AJ-D250H handled firewire better...now I wonder if I told him the >right thing. I sent him to Promax to buy the system so I know he will g= et
>the info he needs, but now I would like to know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Geo.Kaplan
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:03:23 -0500
From: "ifmp1"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <20010226083523.XVJU26092.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@[12.78.201.230]>
RE:
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>From: "Steve Mullen"
>To:
>Subject: RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
>Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2001, 1:49 AM
>"Television audiences have consistently rejected interactive experiences
>in favor of passive viewing. Will this be
>the same on the web? It's unsure. Yes, the nature of the hardware has
>changed, but I think mainstream audiences still want to come home after
>a long day and be passively entertained."
>1) I agree totally with you that the majority of the applications being
>promoted for WEB VIDEO are, in fact, video/movie experiences.
>
>2) I reject the notion that these are "passive." Listening to Bach is
>hardly passive.
----------
It certainly is when compared to PLAYING Bach. Why use a $3000 computer
to tune in to Bach when any stereo will do for that? Computers (right
now) are actually more suited to music composing and recording, wouldn't
you say? I can just picture people hunched over a keyboard, staring at
their mouse, as they listen to Bach. Its a comic image. Hooking the
computer up to a stereo means you are basically using a stereo, but one
with a very expensive antenna!
Also, its NO wonder that televsision audiences have rejected interactive
experiences in favor of passive viewing. This is exactly what we are
talking about, the ill-fated and ill-suited attempt to "conform" one
medium into a completely different one. Similarly, people have actually
rejected NON-interactive experiences in favor of interactive ones on
both their telephones and their computers. User studies reveal that
people click away from ("do" something) web pages that just sit there,
even if they have a movie running in them, longer than a few minutes.
People on computers who come to sites with long Flash intros voice
annoyance at having to sit through from A to B before they can do
whatever it is they went to that site to do. In fact, the "skip intro"
button is actually THE most used link on many sites!
----------
>3) I suggest that other than for advertising -- what is promoted as an
>alternative to the so called "passive" media -- is simply "multi-media"
>sent via the net.
----------
You write that as if you know what "multi-media" is. Outside of being a
combination in some way of different media types, sound, images, video,
film, text, etc, I'm not so sure what the definition might be.
Technically, once cinema got sound, it became "multi-media".
What I propose as an alternative for passive media broadcasting on
networked computers is,, networked software applications. Software
applications fit the user modes facilitated by the kind of computers we
have now. The definition and scope of software applications can be and
will be expanded to include all forms of media as data, interface
elements, and content, and as such, these need not be constrained by the
physical metaphors applied to web video and web music now being dealt
with as discreet, inseperable "objects" as if they were physical reels
of film or CDs on shelves, etc. (and that thus need to be physically
protected like objects from thieves busting into the store). In software
applications now, we see this in the applications used to "create"
media, like NLE apps where we take bits and assemble them into a
meaningful whole according to our purpose (in other words, we accomplish
this, we don't "watch" it). Increasingly, we will see this in media
delivery and "consumption" as well. Understanding this is a difference
between, say, holding and moving physical "objects" and,,,
"object-oriented" programming.
--------------
>4) Faculty that "teach" MM should expect MM to join: new math, new
>music, random music, neo-anything, fusion jazz, ebonics, "theater of the
>...", "... studies", and non-narrative film. And where is this? In
>classrooms where "teachers" "teach" all this to students.
--------------
Ebonics, that's very funny, and very opinionated, but all we're really
talking about here is that if we broadcast a symphony over the phone, it
becomes subject to the nature and characteristics of the telephone as a
medium (and only people in love or in debt bother to debate the quality
of content in the telephone system). Same with using a desktop PC as a
television or radio. If ANYTHING is "neo" here, its the idea of using a
computer as a "neo" television!
--------------
>The promise of the net is to make available vast libraries of film and
>video to anyone, any where, at any time. But to experience these films
>requires BETTER THAN NTSC (preferable HD) -- not worse than NTSC.
--------------
That was the promise of television itself, and home video after that.
The people who make these promises usually don't understand much about
any given medium. As you know, you may be waiting some time for that
promise to come, and perhaps even feeling that its a little
anti-climactic when it does come, considering the other things that will
also develop alongside your simple, linear, wish. At that point, it is
likely that vast libraries of television programming itself will be
"neo" nostalgia, a mere subset of what is possible.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking nostalgia. I'm just questioning its
value in providing a barometer for the present and future of media
useage on computers and the web.
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:36:01 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <77452E909DE.AAA3B01@mail1.21stcentury.net>
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
-->
> From: "Steve Mullen"
>1) I agree totally with you that the majority of the applications being
>promoted for WEB VIDEO are, in fact, video/movie experiences.
That's what web video is.
You're postulating interactive stuff, no? I believe that would
fall under the heading of "interactive stuff."
The problem with most interactive stuff is that it's hardly
interactive. You get a preset story which you can follow...
or a set of building blocks to shuffle about. You don't
really get the opportunity to create. And... when you're
finished... what you have is the virtual equivelant of
a filled in page in a coloring book or something equivelant
to appropriated art. It's hardly satisfying intellectually,
it's no challenge and it leaves you with a real sense of
dis-satisfaction.
That's probably why software is so popular.
I think you need to find a way of stimulating folk to come
up with their own ideas and then give them a way of expressing
them. Like a blank page in a text editor or Bryce or something.
>2) I reject the notion that these are "passive." Listening to Bach is
>hardly passive.
Why not? You're somehow willing the record to play things the
way you want them to go?
>3) I suggest that other than for advertising -- what is promoted as an
>alternative to the so called "passive" media -- is simply "multi-media"
>sent via the net.
Or building blocks to shuffle.
>4) Faculty that "teach" MM should expect MM to join: new math, new
>music, random music, neo-anything, fusion jazz, ebonics, "theater of the
>....", "... studies", and non-narrative film. And where is this? In
>classrooms where "teachers" "teach" all this to students.
Like the web... :} The student learns what they want to at
their own pace... The rewards are the simple acquisition of
skill and knowledge and the opportunity to win big bucks
at web design, whilst working from ones very own family room.
The one's not the best reinforcer and most folk will want
a reason to acquire skills and knowledge.
Games? Educational Doom? For some reason folk seem to find
them entertaining to the point that they'll spend 2o hours
a day at them and that they'll let the cat starve to death
because they're obsessed with getting to level 7.
If you were to force folk to answer questions whilst
attempting to fend off "Korg The great green goblin
that gaurdest the gate to the septal kingdom of Horace"
maybe you could teach them?
As for fusion? :} Let's not go there.
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