DV-L Tue, 27 Feb 2001 Volume 1 : Number 779
In this issue:
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
time lapse in video
time lapse in video
external mi for Panasonic DV100 EN
Re: Slightly OT: solar powered battery chargers?
Re: DV-SP
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Digital MediaPress
RE: My Rat Shack rant
Re: My Rat Shack rant
PD150 motor humming?
Jan: Smokin' 200
Re: PD150 motor humming?
BVU & VO Umatic
Premiere 6 and Square Pixel Animations
Re: PD150 motor humming?
Monitor For JVC-500
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Premiere 6 and Square Pixel Animations
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Moving Stills???
RE: Moving Stills???
Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Monitor For JVC-500
Re: My Rat Shack rant
RE: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: Moving Stills???
Re: DV-SP
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: Moving Stills???
RE: DV-SP
Re: Powerbook as waveform monitor?
RE: Moving Stills???
RE: Moving Stills???
RE: the net, in fact for audio, is a good antenna!
cd-rw to be used within firewire enclosure.
Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
RE: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Re: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Re: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
RE: net congestion
re: 5 minute tape shutdowm
Betacam or DVCam?
Control S to PC
Re: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
BS is out of the office .....
Backup to Mini DV
RE: My Rat Shack rant
RE: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: 5 minute tape shutdowm
RE: My Rat Shack rant
5 min tape shutdown - alternative
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: Audio break-out box schematic
Betacam or DVCam?
Rentals in Russia - Moscow & St Pete
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
RE : Powerbook as waveform monitor?
RE: RE : Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: Audio break-out box schematic
FW: My Rat Shack rant
Cayman Graphics Power CG and Premiere 6.0
Adobe After Effects 5.0
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Re: Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
RE: Powerbook as waveform monitor?
RE: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: Sorenson MPEG4 Beta codec
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: My Rat Shack rant
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
RE: B&W Playback Only???
Re: Adobe After Effects 5.0
RE: VHS Lousy Quality (tape quality issues)
RE: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Re: Betacam or DVCam?
RE: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Re: Rentals in Russia - Moscow & St Pete
RE: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
RE: DV-SP
SemiOT: DVD-R Separates?
Re: DV-SP
Re: SemiOT: DVD-R Separates?
Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Re: Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
FYI
Re: DV-SP
Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
X-rays, no risk of damaged videotapes
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
DV folk in Tucson, Arizona
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:54:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <77452E901105.AAA43B8@mail1.21stcentury.net>
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
-->
> From: "ifmp1"
>>From: "Steve Mullen"
>
>>3) I suggest that other than for advertising -- what is promoted as an
>>alternative to the so called "passive" media -- is simply "multi-media"
>>sent via the net.
>----------
>
>You write that as if you know what "multi-media" is. Outside of being a
>combination in some way of different media types, sound, images, video,
>film, text, etc, I'm not so sure what the definition might be.
>Technically, once cinema got sound, it became "multi-media".
>
>What I propose as an alternative for passive media broadcasting on
>networked computers is,, networked software applications. Software
>applications fit the user modes facilitated by the kind of computers we
>have now. The definition and scope of software applications can be and
>will be expanded to include all forms of media as data, interface
>elements, and content, and as such, these need not be constrained by the
>physical metaphors applied to web video and web music now being dealt
>with as discreet, inseperable "objects" as if they were physical reels
>of film or CDs on shelves, etc. (and that thus need to be physically
>protected like objects from thieves busting into the store). In software
>applications now, we see this in the applications used to "create"
>media, like NLE apps where we take bits and assemble them into a
>meaningful whole according to our purpose (in other words, we accomplish
>this, we don't "watch" it). Increasingly, we will see this in media
>delivery and "consumption" as well. Understanding this is a difference
>between, say, holding and moving physical "objects" and,,,
>"object-oriented" programming.
Live, "jam sessions" might fall under the heading of truly
interactive. If you could use the computer or "a whole network
of computers" to play along you might really have something.
I don't think any traditional artforms will really fill the bill.
What I think you'd need is something freeform and halfway abstract
that doesn't have any real rules or parameters yet.
Like if you were to set up a virtual space in which folk could
manipulate forms, colors and lights... toss in some models or
3d avatars... some soundforms, etc. You'd probably have to let
rules develop on their own... let the players develop the game,
so to speak.
I think you'd have to have something truly new and truly free
in order for it to work though.
It would probably develop much the way the web as a whole has
... each of us adding our own little bit to the game.
>>The promise of the net is to make available vast libraries of film and
>>video to anyone, any where, at any time. But to experience these films
>>requires BETTER THAN NTSC (preferable HD) -- not worse than NTSC.
>--------------
>
>That was the promise of television itself, and home video after that.
>The people who make these promises usually don't understand much about
>any given medium. As you know, you may be waiting some time for that
>promise to come, and perhaps even feeling that its a little
>anti-climactic when it does come, considering the other things that will
>also develop alongside your simple, linear, wish. At that point, it is
>likely that vast libraries of television programming itself will be
>"neo" nostalgia, a mere subset of what is possible.
>
>Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking nostalgia. I'm just questioning its
>value in providing a barometer for the present and future of media
>useage on computers and the web.
I think that's just one part of it... The web has entirely
different parameters and entirely different possibilities...
we should be abke to go *well* beyond film and video.
"Holonet" ...The virtual Sprawl that Neal Stephenson writes
about... Gibsons' "Stims." I think it's developing already.
I'm not quite sure where it's going to go.
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:00:15 +0530
From: indiancinema
To:
Subject: time lapse in video
Message-ID:
on 2/26/01 4:50 AM, Dick Lague at rlague@charter.net wrote:
> Not since Linda Tripp was fired.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Hamman
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
>
>
>> Jeff Hamman wrote:
>>
>>> Specifically, I am sending a VHS to an important figure at the
>>> Pentagon. I am just speculating that they routinely X-Ray.
>>
>> Or, stated another way (in which I was trying to avoid):
>> Does anyone know if the Pentagon routinely X-Rays incoming
>> mail packages for important figures?
>>
>> Ah, wait. There is a knock at my door. I guess I will get
>> my answer soon enough. ;-)
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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>>
apart from the camera preset for doing time lapse . we are looking for doing
time lapse in a way we want to set the exposure time & interval between
exposure. is there any gadjet to do this with canon- XL1 & SONY vx 2000
pl let us know
thanks
IC
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:05:17 +0530
From: indiancinema
To:
Subject: time lapse in video
Message-ID:
apart from the camera preset for doing time lapse . we are looking for doing
time lapse in a way we want to set the exposure time & interval between
exposure. is there any gadjet to do this with canon- XL1 & SONY vx 2000
pl let us know
thanks
IC
note; sorry to send this again: cause in the previous attempt my question
was place at the end of a mail . sorry
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:50:58 +0800
From: "Brang Lin"
To:
Subject: external mi for Panasonic DV100 EN
Message-ID: <001201c09fea$62eae9e0$17f13cca@brang>
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Can somebody advice me if I can get a stereo mic in for the above model =
as I can get only mono in regardless of the external mic I use.
Thanks,
Samuel Lin
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Can somebody advice me if I can get = a stereo mic=20 in for the above model as I can get only mono in regardless of the = external mic=20 I use.
Thanks,
Samuel = Lin
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:46:42 -0500
From: "Don Mitchell"
To:
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: solar powered battery chargers?
Message-ID: <003901c09fe9$ca3ee610$0164640a@zeus>
> Anyone used any type of solar powered battery chargers for Mini DV
> cameras in remote locations?
>
> Thanks, Andrew
>
Yes. I kept a PD150 (3 x NP-F960) Varizoom 5.6 LCD, Steadicam DV, etc.,
etc., all charged up using solar power. This was just off the equator, so
the sun was intense, but it rained .5" every day
and commonly there were only 3-5 hours of sun per day.
I used:
Unisolar flexible panels (11 W and 32 W)
100 AH 12V car battery (with the 30W panel)
7 AH sealed battery (with the 11 W panel)
DC battery charger (Sony DC-VQ800)
Tripp-Lite 300W inverter
Sony AC charger BCV500 to run from inverter
Completely successful. I made sure the 100 AH battery was fully charged
before I left my jumping off place, because I had calculated that if
everything failed I could still extract enough power from it to do my job
before it was completely discharged.
I charged batteries at night. The 11 W / 7 AH combo would charge NP-F960
and a 330 as well, on one day's sun. The 32W / 100AH combo could do
everything (2 960s on the inverter, 1 960 on the DC charger) overnight.
The people at www.alfenterprises.com were a great help.
Remember that airlines don't want to see any unsealed lead-acid batteries in
your luggage. I think they don't even want to see sealed ones, but I got
away with my little 7 AH one.
The flexible panels are amazing. You can roll them up and get them into a
large back pack.
Feel free to contact me off-list if you need more specifics.
Don Mitchell
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:42:47 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Message-ID: <00c801c09ff4$bf6863a0$6401a8c0@design1>
They already have. They call it DVCPRO50, Digital-S or D9. Of course it
won't fit on a shirt pocket sized cassette and you can't have palm sized
camcorders but those uses typically don't require blue screen capabilities
anyway. Go talk to the JVC or Panasonic folks.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charos"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:36 PM
Subject: DV-SP
> I read a message from a read how she/he liked the
> errors in the DV codec because he/she thought it
> looked more like real life.
>
> I remember the discusions about how, ultimately, the
> errors in the DV codec destroy really good chroma key
> in post.
>
> Ultimately, I want 4:2:2 compression, with a tape-head
> speed that at least gets into the ring with old
> analoge technology such as Betacam-SP (r). Without any
> loss. RLL encoding or such. On a cheap PC or
> camcorder.
>
> Who will step up to the plate and invent DV-SP?
>
> PLEASE! NOT SONY!
>
> - Bill Carpenter
> Athena Productions
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:09:27 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <00fb01c09ff6$91aa4440$6401a8c0@design1>
Simple solution. Pay cash and when they ask your name say "Cash" or "Mr.
Cash" and for an address you can always be homeless or use "Pennsylvania
Ave." your choice. I definitely agree with the frustrations incurred when
dealing with those people. That's why I use them as a last resort.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: My Rat Shack rant
> In another thread, Bill wrote:
>
> >That's why Radio Shack stores exist. <
>
> I was wiring up my new editing rack the other day, and it turned out
> I needed a couple S-Video+audio cables to finish it up. Went to
> the Rat Shack I always go to, picked up the (absurdly expensive) 3'
> cables and took them to the counter.
>
> "What's your address?" the salesdrone asked.
>
> THIS frosts me.
>
> Now, I'm a pretty bad civil libertarian, not too concerned about
> "privacy issues" per se' , but why, oh WHY can't I just pay for a
> freakin' cable at RatShack without being re-entered into their
> database for the ten thousandth time?
>
> Of course, the guy can't type. It takes an eternity (it seems) to
> swipe my card, get a reciept out of the printer...THEN he carbons
> my card onto the reciept! WHAAAAAT?
>
> And this is a TECHNOLOGY company?
>
> As recently as the late '70's RatShack had competition...Lafayette
> and some other stores. Gawd, how I miss those guys.
>
> Rant off.
>
>
> Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
> Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
> ICQ# 26415869
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:38:47 -0500
From: Franz Hespenheide
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Digital MediaPress
Message-ID: <3A9A5C67.38D62CE@erols.com>
I'm thinking about purchasing the
Digital MediaPress card to do DV
to MPEG2 transcoding. Does anyone
have any experience with this card
in a Windows based computer ?
Would you recommend it?
Franz Hespenheide
Gaithersburg, MD
franz@videobiz.net
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:16:12 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <379611247.983196973127.JavaMail.root@web572-mc>
Bill wrote:
<<"What's your address?" the RS salesdrone asked.
THIS frosts me.>>
Just say "refuse". Pay cash. Cuts your time in half.
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:52:34 -0500
From: "Paul W. Esterle"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <019401c09ffe$ae56af40$59f3e4ce@eesterle>
As a former Low Explosives User Permit )LEUP) holder (High Power Rocketry) I
can tell you the BATF uses the Radio Shack database to investigate bombings.
Seems Radio Shack is the favored supplier of bomb-making electronics...
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:22:41 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
Subject: PD150 motor humming?
Message-ID:
I am looking at purchasing the PD150.
I was wondering on well the camera behaves in low sound conditions.
Does the camera record any humming from the motor.
I have an older DV camera and it is quite bad in that respect. I am hoping
that newer cameras with external mic are better.
Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:26:16 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Jan: Smokin' 200
Message-ID: <380966755.983197576104.JavaMail.root@web394-mc>
Jan C:
I just saw the ad for the smokin' new 200 pro DV camcorder and it looks
quite attractive. Now Panasonic can finally compete in the Pro DV arena.
Viewfinder looks serious, but they missed the boat on the shoulder pad;
looks like rubber, not gel. There is no mention about the lens in the ad or
on the site that I could find. Is there a lens included in the $5,995.
MSRP? Is it the Fuji 14x that comes "free" with the DV500?
I'm going to pass on this one. I'm waiting for 16x9 and a recordable MPEG4
disk... Hurry up!
-=john markert
www.AccelVideo.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:33:15 -0500
From: beachtv
To:
Subject: Re: PD150 motor humming?
Message-ID:
> I was wondering on well the camera behaves in low sound conditions.
> Does the camera record any humming from the motor.
Stephan ,
My performs excellent - no motor noise that I can detect.
Aaron
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:17 -0400
From: "Banyan"
To:
Subject: BVU & VO Umatic
Message-ID: <008001c0a002$88994a20$828803c4@lairdmurphy>
In NTSC there is virtually no difference between the BVU (broadcast) and VO
(industrial) U-matic save the 'professional' connectors, the head switching
points in the vertical interval (on Sony) and a more rugged construction.
The tapes are interchangeable in terms of playback.
However, in the PAL and SECAM systems there was a definite difference. BVU
tapes in those systems play back black and white on the VO series and also
the BVU recorded a better quality signal which is referred to as 'highband'
by the Europeans. European stations always demanded 'highband' (BVU) tapes
and would treat lowband (VO) tapes the way broadcasters treat Hi8 or even
VHS now.
Christopher Laird
7b Lynch Drive
Maraval
Port of Spain
Trinidad & Tobago
The Caribbean
Trinidad & Tobago
The Caribbean
Tel: (868) 628 4604
Check Banyan's Web Site
www.pancaribbean.com/banyan
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:06:58 -0500
From: Thomas Berens
To:
Subject: Premiere 6 and Square Pixel Animations
Message-ID:
On page 136 of the new Premiere 6.0 manual, regarding using square-pixel
files in a DV project, it says:
If your final output is DV (NTSC) create and save it at a 720 x 540 frame
size to prevent upsampling, or 640 x 480 to prevent field distortion on a
field-rendered file (such as 3D animation).
I understand the term upsampling, but could someone elaborate on the second
half of the above sentence? I understand about interlacing and two fields
per frame, but what is field distortion, and how does the second frame size
fix this when the first one doesn't? And if I use the latter, won't
upsampling occur?
Bottom line: if I am creating a 3D animation to be viewed on a web site as
well as DV (NTSC), what is the best frame size to use? Do I need to create
two versions in my 3D app (in my case, Cinema 4D)?
TIA
Tom Berens
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:11:04 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: PD150 motor humming?
Message-ID: <003a01c0a006$5717cf40$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
Stephan,
I have the VX-2000 version and and mine performs excellently, no motor
noise that I can detect. And no audio hiss when using external mics.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: beachtv
To:
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: PD150 motor humming?
> > I was wondering on well the camera behaves in low sound conditions.
> > Does the camera record any humming from the motor.
>
> Stephan ,
>
> My performs excellent - no motor noise that I can detect.
>
> Aaron
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:23:11 -0500
From: Rogue Films
To: DV-L
Subject: Monitor For JVC-500
Message-ID:
Hi List,
Any suggestions on camera mountable monitors for the JVC-500. I know
there's a 4 inch monochrome that JVC make which I'm gonna check out. I
already tried the Varizoom but found it unsuitable for lighting and critical
focus. Just checking what others on the list might be using. Thanks in
advance for your input.
warm regards to all,
Kevin O'Hanlon
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:48:07 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <642CD691CFC@vilas.uwex.edu>
Brent, didja happen to get a remote control with that camera?
Might do the trick for you.
Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
ICQ# 26415869
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:13:25 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Premiere 6 and Square Pixel Animations
Message-ID:
Tom Berens was wondering about how to create animations for DV and what
'field distortion' was all about.
I'm assuming they refer to the field rendering order, or what I like to
call the 'field stacking order'. (note this is NOT the field dominance).
Any interlaced digital video format stores the two fields in one frame,
which is sent as a unit. Each format (on a rather random basis) has
either the odd or even fields stored in the odd or even lines of the
frames. If the video frames are vertically squashed (say from
540>480)then some of the lines that should be in the odd fields will end
up contributing to the even fields, and vice versa. This will give bad
movement rendering.
There are several ways to avoid this:
1) Render the right DV sized images from the Animation App. since many
now support non-square pixels.
2) Render non-interlaced video from the Animation App. A common method
is to use frame sequences, and another is to use the Animation QT codec
set to 100% which is then lossless. If you render out at 60 frames/sec
(50 for PAL) then you can convert to interlace later.
3) Render interlaced with square pixels at 640x480, and then stretch the
horizontal axis.
4) Render interlaced with square pixels at 720x540, and use a 60Hz frame
rate to force de-interlacing before frame size changes.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:14:25 -0500
From: "ifmp1"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <20010226164655.BGMB26092.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@[12.78.199.130]>
RE:
----------
>From: "Richard Taylor"
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
>Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2001, 5:36 AM
> You're postulating interactive stuff, no? I believe that would
> fall under the heading of "interactive stuff."
----------
Video on TV is video, but video on the computer/web is something else.
For example, right now on a web site, one might have a navigation bar or
image map that allows people to choose, say, from a bunch of wigs
offered for sale. Why not just have a person pop up in running video
actually wearing each type of wig, speaking right to the user in
whatever language they are using on their OS, saying "how do you like
this one?", etc. The issue here is not the subject matter, but the
mechanics, and the mechanics are here now in stuff like QuickTime,
Shockwave and the whole bag of web development tricks. Bandwidth for TV
on the web is not.
Or how about running video as one of many data formats within larger
applications, dynamically drawing in music from one place, video from
another, and so forth, so that the movie is delivered and assembled in
use? Dramatic narratives can be built this way too, as can symphonies or
documentaries or whatever categories one might wish to use (or expand
on). Right now, I think we're just in a phase of "the shock of the new".
People are still really just grasping the idea of running video or music
at all, in any manner, on their own computers. Pretty soon though, the
shock will wear off, and people won't be so protective of the
conventions of past media on/within this newer one. Its a big field,
with a lot of the best thinking still left to be done.
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> The problem with most interactive stuff is that it's hardly
> interactive. You get a preset story which you can follow...
> or a set of building blocks to shuffle about. You don't
> really get the opportunity to create. And... when you're
> finished... what you have is the virtual equivelant of
> a filled in page in a coloring book or something equivelant
> to appropriated art. It's hardly satisfying intellectually,
> it's no challenge and it leaves you with a real sense of
> dis-satisfaction.
------------
Software design and narrative stories both make use of "decision" (and
attendant action) and "consequence", but each in a different way. Part
of what makes, say, a Hitchcock film so nerve wracking is the LACK of
interactivity, the inability to DO anything when you find out stuff the
characters don't know yet. By the end, what you have is a happy ending
and all. But, you DO "participate" in the decision making process and
"experience" consequences of it - albiet in a disembodied, passive
state. In narratives, decision is what builds and reveals character. In
games, decision is often reduced to a knee-jerk, but sometimes comes
quite close to that of a narrative. In software UI design, decision and
consequence determine useability and learning curve. These are just two
of many common elements in drama and software. Software could easily
become more dramatic, and movies could easily become more like software
applications. By "dramatic" with respect to software, I mean the
structure and leverages of drama (not necessarily the "content" of it)
as opposed to the other kinds of limited metaphors already in use for UI
navigation and functionality (desktop, trash can, window panels, etc).
Its only convention that causes us to think of them each within certain
bounds. These things are especially made possible when any given media
is absorbed into another of which it is just a subset, the way radio is
a subset of television, or a brochure page is a subset of a web site.
The same will happen with video on computers and the web. At first, they
are merely "presented", and later, they start to go a little beyond just
that.
--------------
> That's probably why software is so popular.
--------------
Software will expand too, but yeah, its like getting a pre-recorded spam
call on your phone - it doesn't match the leverages of the medium. You'd
sit through it on your radio without dwelling on it, but its highly
annoying on a telephone. Software fits computers better than television
programming, but software can easily INCLUDE something "like" television
sound, graphics, and pictures (and radio, telephony, photography and
typography, etc, too). Right now, its as if we are in a crash zone,
where video has landed in computer applications, and software is coming
in over the phone, but all anyone wants to do is pretend to be Cecil B
DeMille - even as their own identity gets lost in a sea of databases.
After all, this IS the future - and while you CAN be famous for 15
minutes, people will need a search engine to find it and even then, they
will only pay attention for 5 to 8 seconds.
I think it will become apparent that the real limits of video/TV on the
web are not bandwidth, but patience in the face of the interactivity and
expectations of purpose inherent in the rest of the web and the rest of
the software on people's PCs.
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:12:45 -0500
From: "vinny"
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Subject: Moving Stills???
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:35:25 -0500
From: "Henry, Mark"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Moving Stills???
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Not sure how this would fit into your system, but I do this kind of work with a computer program called Boris FX. It integrates with my NLE. I scan a photo, import to Boris and then program the duration, pans and zooms. Boris creates an .AVI file that is then used in my NLE.
Mark Henry
-----Original Message-----
From: vinny [mailto:vinny@dreamscape.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:13 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Moving Stills???
I am attempting to make the photo stills I use in my mini docs more appealing by using zooms and pans, to give them the feeling of movement to better compliment video clips.
I am achieving barely accepatble results with my Canon GL-1 on a tripod and my stills attached to wall mounted board. But using my zoom control on the camera and the tripod handle at the same time requires more dexterity than I either have or care to use.
How do the pros do this?
What equipment is required and how expensive is it?
Are there any less arduous, cost effective ways to achieve what I want?
As always, thanks in advance to all respondents.
Vinny
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Not sure how this would fit into your system, but I do this kind of work with a computer program called Boris FX. It integrates with my NLE. I scan a photo, import to Boris and then program the duration, pans and zooms. Boris creates an .AVI file that is then used in my NLE.
Mark Henry
-----Original Message-----
From: vinny [mailto:vinny@dreamscape.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:13 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Moving Stills???
I am attempting to make the photo stills I use in my mini docs more appealing by using zooms and pans, to give them the feeling of movement to better compliment video clips.
I am achieving barely accepatble results with my Canon GL-1 on a tripod and my stills attached to wall mounted board. But using my zoom control on the camera and the tripod handle at the same time requires more dexterity than I either have or care to use.
How do the pros do this?
What equipment is required and how expensive is it?
Are there any less arduous, cost effective ways to achieve what I want?
As always, thanks in advance to all respondents.
Vinny
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:40:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: X-Ray of MiniDV or VHS
Message-ID: <20010226174039.1681.qmail@web4003.mail.yahoo.com>
X-Rays won't harm tape--only film. Magnetic fields,
however, are not nice to videotape.
--- Jeff Hamman wrote:
> If I were to mail a tape and there is a reasonable
> chance that it goes through security that does a
> routine XRay of packages... should I put a warning
> on the outside saying "Magnetic Media - Do Not
> X-Ray"?
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:42:56 -0500
From: Rogue Films
To: DV-L
Subject: Monitor For JVC-500
Message-ID:
Hi List,
Any suggestions on camera mountable monitors for the JVC-500. I know
there's a 4 inch monochrome that JVC make which I'm gonna check out. I
already tried the Varizoom but found it unsuitable for lighting and critical
focus. Just checking what others on the list might be using. Thanks in
advance for your input.
warm regards to all,
Kevin O'Hanlon
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:44:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <20010226174450.20286.qmail@web4001.mail.yahoo.com>
Yeah, I agree--I hate it when they ask your address
and phone number and all. I used to complain about it
and refuse to give it, but now I have more fun by
making up addresses and phone numbers. Sometimes if I
remember, I give the address and phone number of one
of the suburban police stations or fire departments.
--- "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
wrote:
> In another thread, Bill wrote:
>
> >That's why Radio Shack stores exist. <
>
> I was wiring up my new editing rack the other day,
> and it turned out
> I needed a couple S-Video+audio cables to finish it
> up. Went to
> the Rat Shack I always go to, picked up the
> (absurdly expensive) 3'
> cables and took them to the counter.
>
> "What's your address?" the salesdrone asked.
>
> THIS frosts me.
>
> Now, I'm a pretty bad civil libertarian, not too
> concerned about
> "privacy issues" per se' , but why, oh WHY can't I
> just pay for a
> freakin' cable at RatShack without being re-entered
> into their
> database for the ten thousandth time?
>
> Of course, the guy can't type. It takes an eternity
> (it seems) to
> swipe my card, get a reciept out of the
> printer...THEN he carbons
> my card onto the reciept! WHAAAAAT?
>
> And this is a TECHNOLOGY company?
>
> As recently as the late '70's RatShack had
> competition...Lafayette
> and some other stores. Gawd, how I miss those guys.
>
> Rant off.
>
>
> Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
> Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
> ICQ# 26415869
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:05:27 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
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Ferenc,
Yes I do mean that it works in NTSC land. As far as I know, there is still
work being done, but I am uncertain that FCP is going to be the solution for
the PAL users. I know that the MATROX RT2000 solves the problem in PAL
land.
FWIW,
Jan
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Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Jan,
I bet you mean it works in NTSC. How about poor users in PAL land?
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Ferenc,
Yes I do mean that it works in NTSC land. As far as I know, there is still work being done, but I am uncertain that FCP is going to be the solution for the PAL users. I know that the MATROX RT2000 solves the problem in PAL land.
FWIW,
Jan
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Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:07 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Jan,
I bet you mean it works in NTSC. How about poor users in PAL land?
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:57:23 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID:
At 1:49 am -0500 26/2/01, Steve Mullen wrote:
>2) I reject the notion that these are "passive." Listening to Bach is
>hardly passive.
Here's Apple's take on how to make it less passive:
http://www.apple.com/hardware/ads/itunesimac5.html
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:08:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan Newcombe
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID:
I must be blessed. Usually at my local rat shack, they just put in a
phone# before ringing up - I'm guessing a dummy one they've entered or
perhaps that clerks number or something. Probably had too many people
complain about it.
My fave is just their general cluelessness and the fact that their
assisstence seems to revolve around "try to sell the gold connectors to
the customer" :)
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:11:02 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Moving Stills???
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010226130828.019389c0@mail.speakeasy.org>
>I am achieving barely accepatble results with my Canon GL-1 on a tripod
>and my stills attached to wall mounted board. But using my zoom control on
>the camera and the tripod handle at the same time requires more dexterity
>than I either have or care to use.
Forget all that. Just scan them in and use your favorite NLE to apply
movement. Most movements are quite generic so you don't have to be all that
specific if you have tons of pics, but you can if you want.
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:14:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Message-ID: <20010226181422.17367.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
Very true, Walt. But...how come people keep saying you
can't do blue/green screen on DV/DVCAM?? I do it all
the time. I moved from BetacamSP to DVCAM last year
and keying DVCAM is absolutely no different from
keying Betacam. It's no better and no worse. I use the
same backgrounds, the same software, and have the same
problems or lack of problems--problems if the lighting
wasn't right, no problems if it was done right. For
the problems, I use Ultimatte; for the no problems I
use standard Avid keying.
This is not to say that the 50mbs formats won't give
you easier/better keys. But...heck, am I the only
person in the U.S. who can key DVCAM? Maybe I should
start a chroma keying business. How's that for
overspecializing? I could make some real money....
By the way, I've also keyed footage from the JVC
DV-500, which is DV. So, no problem with DV either.
And, our clients are pickey...green halos are not
allowed.
--- Walt wrote:
> They already have. They call it DVCPRO50, Digital-S
> or D9. Of course it
> won't fit on a shirt pocket sized cassette and you
> can't have palm sized
> camcorders but those uses typically don't require
> blue screen capabilities
> anyway. Go talk to the JVC or Panasonic folks.
>
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charos"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:36 PM
> Subject: DV-SP
>
>
> > I read a message from a read how she/he liked the
> > errors in the DV codec because he/she thought it
> > looked more like real life.
> >
> > I remember the discusions about how, ultimately,
> the
> > errors in the DV codec destroy really good chroma
> key
> > in post.
> >
> > Ultimately, I want 4:2:2 compression, with a
> tape-head
> > speed that at least gets into the ring with old
> > analoge technology such as Betacam-SP (r). Without
> any
> > loss. RLL encoding or such. On a cheap PC or
> > camcorder.
> >
> > Who will step up to the plate and invent DV-SP?
> >
> > PLEASE! NOT SONY!
> >
> > - Bill Carpenter
> > Athena Productions
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:22:45 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <1010226102245.45a963f.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1063473@mail.promax.com>
Dan Newcombe Wrote
>I must be blessed. Usually at my local rat shack, they just put in a
>phone# before ringing up - I'm guessing a dummy one they've entered or
>perhaps that clerks number or something. Probably had too many people
>complain about it.
>
>My fave is just their general cluelessness and the fact that their
>assisstence seems to revolve around "try to sell the gold connectors to
>the customer" :)
>
I tell Radio Shack I have no telephone number which they don't know how
to handle or I give them 949-555-1212 (information) which they freely
input.
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:24:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Moving Stills???
Message-ID: <20010226182441.5279.qmail@web4004.mail.yahoo.com>
I do the same thing, and it's difficult unless you
have a professional tripod and really good zoom lens
with a professional remote.
I don't think you can make those kinds of critical
zooms with the GL1 and a tripod that's anything less
than a good quality Sachtler or O'Conner.
Programmable animatics stands are what the big
production houses use, and they cost a fortune, and
even renting time can cost a bundle too.
One easy workaround, but more time consuming, is to
scan the photos at a higher resolution, then when you
edit, blow up the image and use your editing software
to make the zooms and pans. You can do it in After
Effects too.
Or, if you can't get a good zoom and pan with your
camera, another thing you can do is mount the picture
on a piece of foam core or posterboard that you put on
a copy stand with a ledge. Shoot your wide shot. Then
cut in to a closeup to one side of the photo and
physically pull the mounted picture from left to
right. A little practice and you can get pretty good
at sliding the thing from left to right, and vice
versa.
--- vinny wrote:
> I am attempting to make the photo stills I use in my
> mini docs more appealing by using zooms and pans, to
> give them the feeling of movement to better
> compliment video clips.
>
> I am achieving barely accepatble results with my
> Canon GL-1 on a tripod and my stills attached to
> wall mounted board. But using my zoom control on the
> camera and the tripod handle at the same time
> requires more dexterity than I either have or care
> to use.
>
> How do the pros do this?
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:25:57 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DV-SP
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D770@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Bill wrote:
> I remember the discussions about how, ultimately, the
> errors in the DV codec destroy really good chroma key
> in post.
I cannot say that my experience would agree with this statement. I think
that poor understanding of how to do chromakey is a greater cause for
failure than anything else. Working with lower end cameras that have 1/3"
and lower pixel counts could provide aliasing that might be construed as the
DV CODEC but is a part of the cameras signal and not the fault of the
algorithm at all. This noise might get in the way of a clean chromakey.
On the other hand I have seen very good chromakey from DV Sources.
> Ultimately, I want 4:2:2 compression, with a tape-head
> speed that at least gets into the ring with old
> analoge technology such as Betacam-SP (r). Without any
> loss. RLL encoding or such. On a cheap PC or
> camcorder.
If you want 4:2:2 there are DVCPRO50 and Digital S to choose from. But as
far as getting into the ring with Beta SP, DVCPRO does that with 4:1:1. In
fact the DV Algorithm does that, its just that not all camera heads do. If
you save emails, go back to the discussion on resolution and read that over
again. There are 2 sampling frequencies in each camcorder, one for the
camera and one for the recorder. The responsibility of the first one is to
produce a high enough resolution that the aliasing frequencies are over that
of the recorders ability to record and thus you have a cleaner signal on
tape. Does that make sense? I am trying to keep this simple.
As far as your editing on tape, 4:2:2 editing systems are either
uncompressed or MJPEG but you will end up coming out of a DV algorithm as
the only DVCPRO50 based edit system in the world at this time is in our lab
and it is definitely not going to be cheap. Time will be your answer here,
but to get cheap you need to have volume and so far since most of these
systems in the 4:2:2 domain are using SDI as the digital interface, we end
up crossing over to a different level of expenditure.
FWIW,
Jan
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:32:20 -0500
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Message-ID:
Would a power book make a good portable scope?
Once you spent the time and effort either configuring your Power Book with a
way to read SDI from your DIGI-BETA, or a way to get the FIREWIRE-IN to read
analog composite, then you need a metering application..This seems so prone
to inconsistancies in setup (too many parts to provide the full picture)
that a WAVEFORM monitor (even used)
is sure to provide a reliable reading without tweaking these several things
on location
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:31:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Moving Stills???
Message-ID: <77452E9A7E8.AAA1208@mail1.21stcentury.net>
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
-->
> From: "Henry, Mark"
>
>Not sure how this would fit into your system, but I do this kind of work with a computer program called Boris FX. It integrates with my NLE. I scan a photo, import to Boris and then program the duration, pans and zooms. Boris creates an .AVI file that is then used in my NLE.
>From: vinny [mailto:vinny@dreamscape.com]
>
>I am attempting to make the photo stills I use in my mini docs more appealing by using zooms and pans, to give them the feeling of movement to better compliment video clips.
>
>I am achieving barely accepatble results with my Canon GL-1 on a tripod and my stills attached to wall mounted board. But using my zoom control on the camera and the tripod handle at the same time requires more dexterity than I either have or care to use.
>
>How do the pros do this?
>What equipment is required and how expensive is it?
>Are there any less arduous, cost effective ways to achieve what I want?
>
>As always, thanks in advance to all respondents.
Scan them at a halfway decent resolution, do pans and zooms
in an editor like After Effects, apply transitions and effects
like Premiere's motion stuff, etc. If you use a morph program
like Winmorph, Morpheus or Bitmorph you can do pretty nice
animations. You can map them to objects in a 3d program and
get some pretty nice effects that way.
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:51:54 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: Moving Stills???
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Hi
You can do this in software and get great control over it.
In Premiere load a high resolution still and use the image pan filter.
For a more powerful plug-in see www.stagetools.com
IF you do a lot of preview rendering check out The Consolidator
www.premieretools.com
Cheers
Fred
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:29:53 -0500
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: the net, in fact for audio, is a good antenna!
Message-ID: <001201c0a02a$7e32c160$c955a818@nyc.rr.com>
>>Hooking the computer up to a stereo means you are basically using a
stereo, but one
with a very expensive antenna! <<
Actually, I would love a cable/DSL modem equipped "tuner" that would
select my favorite radio stations sites. Having lived all over the world
I like to "listen" to programs from Boston, Tokyo, Delhi, etc.
These tuners do exist -- but I want something that has a paramertric EQ
so the audio can be modified to something that will sound acceptable on
a good stereo. Then the EQ file for each "station" would be used when
that station was selected.
I want this independent of a computer.
Thus the net, in fact for audio, is a good antenna!
Moreover, once you get used to watching HBO-HD on a 7-foot screen -- one
isn't going to want to watch a film from Turner's vast library at any
lessor quality. (I'm even using my computer with my projector so I have
a 16:9 7-foot desktop.) Likewise, AUDIO-DVDs -- if they become
popular -- will make it difficult to listen to MP3 quality sound sent
via the net.
But -- to get CD+ quality audio and HDTV level video via the net -- will
take a complete redesign and rebuilding of our world-wide net
infrastructure.
Of course, there may be things one can watch at today's bandwidth -- but
I find even porn unwatchable using a cable modem. A commercially
released VHS tape is vastly superior.
Someday -- the net promise for audio and video will become a reality.
Now it is mostly hype.
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:04:10 +0530
From: indiancinema
To:
Subject: cd-rw to be used within firewire enclosure.
Message-ID:
hai to all
any recommendation for IDE cd-rw to be used with in firewire enclosure (
our's ads pyro )
which software truly support this process & is there any speed change while
firewire connectivity
thanks for your comments
IC
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:40:06 +0100
From: Ferenc Koscso
To:
Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Message-ID:
Jan,
Thanks for the info. It is very sad.
Ferenc
>
> Ferenc,
> Yes I do mean that it works in NTSC land. As far as I know, there is still
> work being done, but I am uncertain that FCP is going to be the solution for
> the PAL users. I know that the MATROX RT2000 solves the problem in PAL land.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Jan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ferenc Koscso [mailto:kf@startv.hu]
>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:07 AM
>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Subject: Re: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
>>
> Jan,
>
> I bet you mean it works in NTSC. How about poor users in PAL land?
>
> Ferenc
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:50:16 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
Subject: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Message-ID:
Has anyone seen or used a shoulder mount bracket for the PD150?
I remember seeing such a shoulder bracket for another camera years ago in a
videography magazine.
Just wondering if something similar is available for the PD150?
Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:59:30 -0500
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Message-ID:
There are a goodly number of them available. The problem is figuring out
which is best suited to your camera and physique. The best thing is to go
to a place where they have several, like B&H, or do a web search and see if
you can tell from looking at them which you think you'd prefer.
I haven't found one I like quite yet.
EBerlin
-----Original Message-----
From: Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC) [mailto:HamelS@whscc.nb.ca]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:50 PM
To: DV-L (E-mail)
Subject: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Has anyone seen or used a shoulder mount bracket for the PD150?
I remember seeing such a shoulder bracket for another camera years ago in a
videography magazine.
Just wondering if something similar is available for the PD150?
Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:28:41 -0500
From: "Phil Pratt"
To:
Subject: Re: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Message-ID: <000d01c0a032$b671e3a0$e8661a42@triad.rr.com>
I use a PD 150 with Varizoom's VZ-LSP. It works very well for me in
combination with one of Varizoom's camera controllers.
Check it out at:
http://www.varizoom.com/pages/lsp.htm
-----------------------------------------------------
> Has anyone seen or used a shoulder mount bracket for the PD150?
>
> I remember seeing such a shoulder bracket for another camera years ago in
a
> videography magazine.
>
> Just wondering if something similar is available for the PD150?
>
.org/thelist.html
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:20:00 -0500
From:
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: shoulder mount bracket for PD150??
Message-ID:
>Has anyone seen or used a shoulder mount bracket for the PD150?
>
>I remember seeing such a shoulder bracket for another camera years ago i=
n a
>videography magazine.
>
>Just wondering if something similar is available for the PD150?
>
>Stephan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey Stephan,
IMO this is much better http://www.marztech.com/
A MARzPAK=81 will give you more comfort by far, and the ability to get
much more versatile/cool looking shots for not much more money
than a mighty wondercam (shoulder brace).
It fits anyone from a size 28" waist to a 54" giant.
The MARzPAK=81 works for cameras from 2-35 lbs. That shoulder brace?
Try to imagine having to hold a shoulder brace straight out for an hour .
. . ugh.
Then think about your choice of camera angles . . .
remember, your hand/arm is locked into holding that handle.
Where is your right hand when you're holding that brace's handle?
Not on the zoom rocker.
You can also hang lots of gear from the marzpak's frame, like extra
batteries, etc.
We've sold quite a few to PD150/VX2K owners. No returns, just
praise. If you'd like a review from one of the PD150 users
that was posted to this list, email me off list.
Take care!
jmerser aka jacques@marztech.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:55 -0500
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: net congestion
Message-ID: <001801c0a032$0aab95c0$c955a818@nyc.rr.com>
"In fact, I'll go you one better and say that even with a broadband
hookup web
video isn't worth the effort as anything more than an occasional
novelty.
It's not even up to the standards of bad UHF reception. And at least
with
that I had the illusion of control, in that I had rabbit ears to fiddle
around with. On the web, I can only helplessly sit and watch the sun
peak
behind the clouds or the light flicker yellow & red, depending on the
instrument of torture. The great under-addressed issue on the whole
convergence issue, IMHO, is net congestion. Until someone figures out
how
to circumvent that, web video as a serious player is a non-starter."
SO TRUE
AND NOW CONSIDER
All the NLE companies (especially Media 100) have made a major efforts
over the last 2 years to focus marketing/sales efforts on products that
will enable YOU to meet the GIANT DEMAND for SCREAMING VIDEO!
All week my fax machine has been spilling out PR from Avid about
buying-out iNEWS. Media 100 sends stuff about Ifinish. (It's the same
MJPEG board they've been selling for years.)
And Adobe's -- at last ready for Prime Time Premiere 6.0 -- is marketed
as giving you everything you need for the HOT NEW MARKET of streaming
video. (Why don't they just say "low and intermittent bandwidth" media?)
Media 100 is at $2.50 a share. If it drops below $1.00 it is delisted
from NASDAQ. Adobe had bad results. And, Avid recently sent me a PR from
the NEWEST NEWEST NEWEST NEWEST NEW president saying how Avid was BACK
BACK BACK BACK BACK on the track to earnings and profitability. (I hope
they don't drag out poor old crippled Bill Warner to show his support
for the new regime at NAB.)
We have seen the wipe-out of the dot-com businesses. Now we will watch
the and see who survives amongst those who hitched their fortunes on the
rise of dot-com served media.
I have cable modem (over 2/3 of the country has neither cable or DSL)
and -- as you say -- it's not the bandwidth. It is net congestion. And
the bigger the demand the worse it gets.
And why should Time Warner or AT&T make it possible for you to get free
TV when they own cable systems?
Apple has got it right (OK -- not the new colors) in going with making
DVDs. DVD players are the hottest CE product going. They are the driving
force behind selling 16:9 TVs. Which means that, IMHO, DV focus should
be on "supra-NTSC" rather than "sub-NTSC."
Thankfully, the DVD recorders are coming. But one has to wonder how
damaged the companies who have chased dot-com video will be by the time
they arrive in force. NAB will be interesting.
And, Jan -- where is the $5000 camcorder with native 16:9 1/3-inch CCD
chips? :)
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:16:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert C. Pascucci, M.D."
To: DV-L
Subject: re: 5 minute tape shutdowm
Message-ID:
I believe that, in most cameras I've worked with, if you
are powering the camera from an external source, simply
turning the power off and then back on will reset it into
standby mode, following which it will remain ready to go
for another 5 minutes before cycling off. So - I'd leave
all the camera settings ready to go, leaving the power
off; turn the camera on (ie, connect the power) just
before you're ready to use it; repeat as needed for the
duration of the show.
Scuch
--------------
PASCUCCI@a1.tch.harvard.edu
robert.pascucci@tch.harvard.edu
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:32:49 EST
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <54.108530c2.27cc1771@aol.com>
I don't want to start a major war, but I'm about to make an investment and as
things are changing so rapidly, I wanted to get some input from other
professionals. I do video work as a sideline to fimwork: mostly industrials,
some guitar instructional tapes with famous guitar players, interviews with
big-name bands, that sort of thing.
I shoot most of this with a BetacamSP DXC-537 with a PVV-1 back (a friends
camera). Great camera. I'm considering buying something along these lines
or maybe the next step up (a broadcast model instead of an industrial).
I certainly want the optics and 2/3" CCD, but I'm considering the possibility
of a DVCam back instead of BetaSP. I'm sure the image quality is comparable,
I'm more concerned about client reaction and post-production compatibilty.
I would like to hear general opinions but more specifically: I've been trying
to find a list of the different Sony or Panasonic models so I know what I'm
shopping for and also suggestions on where to buy used video equipment (I'm
in the Los Angeles area and prefer to try before buying, if possible). Also
would love to hear advice on buying used video equipment.
Thanks for your help
Blain
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:38:14 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: Control S to PC
Message-ID:
Hello, Yet another question:
I have a DSR-11 and am using The Executive Producer by
www.imagineproducts.com and am not too happy with the LANC controls as far
as being very accurate during cueing. I am using this software as all of the
actual logging occurs on non-firewire-equipped laptops.
Does anyone know of a solution when it comes to connecting the Control S out
of the back of a Sony deck to a PC? I am having difficulty finding one and
Sony's new site is even more unusable than their old one.
Thanks,
Derek
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:50:37 +0800
From: "Virginia J. Regalado"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
this wishlist of mine is actually a question, why is it that up to now the timecode option is not available in the windows platform while it has been for the Mac?
what's the difference?
Next. is there a way to have basic realtime functions with out the RT cards but via software based apps like direct x or quicktime?
I know for a fact that Sonic Foundry has made audio editing an easy task with their apps. Of course video is a different story.
But what i am looking at is being able to put all of the native Premiere effects/filters/transitions/ etc. and have it play realtime, all software based. Not necessarily everything but the basics would do.
More like sampling the video into a workable format and from there see it in the pc realtime.
Of course when outputting to tape this then should be rendered. RT cards could now use their RT functions and play everything back in realtime.
Or make the movie using the dual processors.
Whaddyatink?
Dexter
__________________________________
www.edsamail.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:43:28 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: BS is out of the office .....
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010226203241.00a0f200@popserver.panix.com>
Boyz & Girlz: Good news!
Your favorite DV-L taskmaster is sitting in a hotel in northern Germany,
with only a tiny Sony Vaio Picturebook and a hacked telephone jack at his
disposal. It'll be impossible for me to monitor all the posts until I get
to my place with the DSL line and the 21" monitor. So if any of you want to
misbehave - now is the time. From glancing over the topics, we're back at
discussing music and have discovered a new off-topic of great promise: My
Most Horrible Experience At Radio Shack. No value judgement on either
topics implied or intended.
So while bad BS is encumbered by miniature hardware and sub-standard
communications: List, police thyself!
BS. Somewhere near the Baltic Sea.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:50 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Backup to Mini DV
Message-ID:
>Does anyone know how to backup PC data (not video) to
a Mini DV camera? I would love to take advantage of
all that cheap storage.<
This crops up every couple of months and the Jonahs all say it's
impossible!
>Short answer: It can't be done. The DV compression scheme isn't
compatible with data storage.<
It's got nothing much to do with DV compression in this case. The
camcorder/deck records the data that arrives via the Firewire connector
without any further compression. The data has to be organised to look
like pseudo DV frames but that is relatively trivial. The real problem
is that unlike say a Hard Drive, there is no data verify so if there is
a large tape drop-out then the system will attempt to conceal it using
an algorithm based upon video assumptions. If the data is non video then
this will obviously fail.
The answer would be either to use mass redundancy (record all data twice
or more over multi DV frames) or to use some form of self correcting
code redundancy.
This lessens the probable data storage capacity, but something around
6-10GB per 60 minute tape costing around $5 sounds pretty competitive to
me!!
My real argument has always been that such a system would be ideal for
archiving DV NLE projects, where most of the data is DV video anyway.
The small percentage necessary to store project and stills data could be
stored in a pretty inefficient manner to ensure data safety. I have
always thought that if an NLE publisher put a couple of college grads on
the case they could get a real neat system that would be a real sales
feature.
It's not a mundane task but it certainly isn't brain surgery!
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:53 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RE: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID:
'You only know what you miss when it's gone'!!
Our UK version of Radio Shack was called Tandy, and they also had the
infuriating >asking for address habit< and always seemed populated with
spotty 'yoofs' with an IQ around my age. However, the shops all got
bought by a mobile phone supplier (like we need another one of those!)
and the components have now gone. There is now nowhere within a
reasonable drive for me to pick-up all those little electronic
knick-knacks and gizmos that I used to take for granted would be
available down the local Tandy store.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:55 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RE: Panasonic AJ-D230H & Firewire
Message-ID:
Jan posted:
>Yes I do mean that it works in NTSC land. As far as I know, there is
still work being done, but I am uncertain that FCP is going to be the
solution for the PAL users. I know that the MATROX RT2000 solves the
problem in PAL land.<
The RT2000 becomes the RTMac board for the Mac, available when
eventually Apple get their act together with FCP2. My information was
that for whatever bizarre reason, the RTMac WOULD'T support the DVCPRO
codec in PAL.
I believe it IS also available in PAL for FAST DV systems, but they are
a whole more expensive ball park than RT2000.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:39:22 -0600
From: "Bryan \"bc\" Castles"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <008401c0a03c$951001b0$120210ac@nhic>
Tandy is the parent company of RadioShack.
> 'You only know what you miss when it's gone'!!
>
> Our UK version of Radio Shack was called Tandy, and they also had the
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:59:47 -0500
From: "bullardc"
To:
Subject: Re: 5 minute tape shutdowm
Message-ID: <01f801c0a058$b21a2d00$9a14850a@bh>
As I mentioned above, pushing the photo button after it shuts down, resets
it to standby (without taking a photo)
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:10:22 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID:
Yea they just opened a Radio Shack in my neighborhood and I have
mixed feelings. I needed a firewire cable quickly and I ran up the
street to the Shack and of course the clerk?? didn't know what I was
talking about. Had to get into the car and drive downtown to a
Computer store.
John
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:19:15 -0600
From: Chris Novy
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: 5 min tape shutdown - alternative
Message-ID: <5.1.0.10.0.20010226160251.00a2eec0@mailhost.lib.siu.edu>
An alternative method to using your actual camcorder for cut-aways is to
purchase an inexpensive color mini camera from some place like
www.supercircuits.com and route the video into your camcorder's video input
jack. The camcorder would be down on the ground with you and connected to
the mini cam via cable (or wireless if you want to get fancy). When you're
ready to start recording the event, put the camcorder into VTR mode, press
Play/Rec and you're off. You can match edit the POV cut-aways later. Once
you're recording the camcorder will keep recording until you run out of
tape or batteries. BTW, you'll see what the POV camera is seeing on the
LCD monitor of the camcorder. This makes positioning and focusing pretty
easy.
I purchased a used TRV-320 Digital-8 camera on e-Bay as a record deck just
for such purposes. I use a mini 420 line POV color camera that I can mount
on dashboards, windshields, aircraft wings, whatever, and route the video
to the TRV-320 (which stays in a safe, convenient, place). It's not a
sophisticated setup but it works quite well.
In VTR mode (with the Sony at least) the camcorder's microphone doesn't
work so you'll need to plug a mike into the A/V jack and will probably need
a mic -> line level matching cable/thingy. It's always good to do a few
trial runs before your actual recording event (wedding, whatever).
I don't have a good web site for posting pictures but if anyone wants to
see an example of a picture just write me and I'll e-mail you a copy. The
example is a still frame from video shot using my POV camera mounted on the
undercarriage of the BudOne Blimp as it flew over town on a promotional
run. The blimp had limited seating so only my camcorder got to go along
for the ride but the POV shots allowed me to come up with a good package
for the news because I was able to match the aerial shots to footage I shot
from ground level at the football game using my PD150.
..Chris..
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:24:07 -0800
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010226142131.0228aec0@mail.3forces.com>
You ought to consider D9 if you're in the market for a Digital camcorder
since it's in the same price range as the pro DVCAM equipment but it offers
Digibeta quality as in lower compression and 4:2:2.
Richard Lin
At 03:32 PM 2/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't want to start a major war, but I'm about to make an investment and as
>things are changing so rapidly, I wanted to get some input from other
>professionals. I do video work as a sideline to fimwork: mostly industrials,
>some guitar instructional tapes with famous guitar players, interviews with
>big-name bands, that sort of thing.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:36:37 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <01ae01c0a045$437061c0$6401a8c0@design1>
I believe you'll find that most people on this list will say that BetaSP and
DV formats are roughly equal assuming you're using the same quality camera.
I'm using a Sony DSR-300 and while it's a 1/2" camera it still performs very
well. Being able to transfer and edit without ever leaving the digital realm
makes it an easy decision to go DVCAM over BetaSP. The other benefits are
longer tape time, lower power consumption, and lighter weight all major
pluses in my book.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: Betacam or DVCam?
> I don't want to start a major war, but I'm about to make an investment and
as
> things are changing so rapidly, I wanted to get some input from other
> professionals. I do video work as a sideline to fimwork: mostly
industrials,
> some guitar instructional tapes with famous guitar players, interviews
with
> big-name bands, that sort of thing.
>
> I shoot most of this with a BetacamSP DXC-537 with a PVV-1 back (a friends
> camera). Great camera. I'm considering buying something along these
lines
> or maybe the next step up (a broadcast model instead of an industrial).
>
> I certainly want the optics and 2/3" CCD, but I'm considering the
possibility
> of a DVCam back instead of BetaSP. I'm sure the image quality is
comparable,
> I'm more concerned about client reaction and post-production compatibilty.
>
> I would like to hear general opinions but more specifically: I've been
trying
> to find a list of the different Sony or Panasonic models so I know what
I'm
> shopping for and also suggestions on where to buy used video equipment
(I'm
> in the Los Angeles area and prefer to try before buying, if possible).
Also
> would love to hear advice on buying used video equipment.
>
> Thanks for your help
> Blain
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:08:29 -0800
From: Denise Ohio
To:
Subject: Re: Audio break-out box schematic
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010226150746.009ec600@pop.greenapple.com>
Sorry, everybody. I haven't seen this post, so I'm re-sending. If you've
seen it before, my apologies.
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:56:58 -0800
>To:
>From: Denise Ohio
>Subject: Audio break-out box schematic
>
>Does anyone here have a schematic for an audio break-out box (a la
>BeachTek and Studio One) for DV camcorders? May I get a copy?
>
>
>Ohio
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:06:30 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID:
In DV terms a DXC-537 with a PVV-1 back is a lot of money! You'd be
pretty crazy I would suggest to not buy a true 16:9 capable camera, at
least you certainly would in Europe. That then gives you the DVCAM
choice of the Sony DSR-500 or the Ikegami HL-DV7W. The JVC GY-DV700
gives you a similar camera capability to normal MiniDV and the Panasonic
AJ-610 to DVCPRO. I have been lucky enough to test all these 2/3 inch
cameras, and they are all top notch and certainly a match for the
creaking DXC-537. All record to basically the same DV codec (in NTSC)
which I would suggest easily matches the BetaSP format in performance,
especially when drop-out is taken into account. The DVCAM cameras also
have the advantage of 3 hour record capacity, and the others are over 60
minutes which is twice that of the PVV-1.
These cameras exhibit a wide range of operational features, but all
would pass muster with any client as being 100% professional. The
Ikegami would even rival your present combination for weight!
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:55:43 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Rentals in Russia - Moscow & St Pete
Message-ID:
Are there places to rent NTSC video gear in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg?
Any tips on shooting incognito? We are sending 12 students next month.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Ross
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:23:10 -0600
From: "Jason Powell"
To:
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <002b01c0a04b$1575b1c0$ca140518@plano1.tx.home.com>
Blain,
The question is whether you will be editing this stuff yourself or
handing a raw footage tape to a client? In my experience, far more
people accept and want a BetaSP tape than a DVCAM. Its certainly
no problem to send a DV master to a duplication house, but far
fewer post houses will want 4 hours of raw DV tape to edit with...
Jason Powell
Front Room Productions
----- Original Message -----
From:
> I shoot most of this with a BetacamSP DXC-537 with a PVV-1 back
(a friends
> camera). Great camera. I'm considering buying something along
these lines
> or maybe the next step up (a broadcast model instead of an
industrial).
>
> I certainly want the optics and 2/3" CCD, but I'm considering
the possibility
> of a DVCam back instead of BetaSP. I'm sure the image quality
is comparable,
> I'm more concerned about client reaction and post-production
compatibilty.
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:29:17 +0800
From: Kurt Sieber
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE : Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Message-ID:
Blain -
Go to this web-site & download "videoscope" - Make sure you pay for
it if you like it!
http://www.evological.com/videoscope.html.
-Kurt
>Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:37:01 EST
>From: Triglyph@aol.com
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Powerbook as waveform monitor?
>Message-ID: <9.117fbc07.27cab8dd@aol.com>
>
>I have always desperately wanted a waveform and vectorscope on the set with
>me but I've never quite had the budget for a decent portable. I have some
>(specificially Videoscope) that work great on my Powerbook.
>
>Anybody have an idea of how to run video into the powerbook and use it as a
>waveform monitor and vectorscope? Certainly you could capture some and play
>it back, but who has that kind of time on the set? I'm trying to devise a
>way to use it "live". This would be a signal coming out of a Betacam or
>possibly a digital camera.
>
>If this can't be done easily, anybody who is a programmer could definitely
>make some money devising a solution like this. Portable computers are common
>on the set and good waveform monitors remain expensive.
>
>thanks,
>
>Blain
Soma Video Productions.
PO Box 1906
Greensburg, PA 15601 USA 724-925-6040
http://www.somavp.com Soma Video Productions
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:40:05 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: RE : Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FCC5@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Kurt said:
>Go to this web-site & download "videoscope" - Make sure you pay for
>it if you like it!
Anybody know where I can find something like this for a PC? Thanks,
-Rik.
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:44:56 -0600
From: "Jeff"
To:
Subject: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Message-ID: <001401c0a056$825ae340$3729fea9@dellsystem>
I hope this question is appropriate for this list, it's pretty basic but I
desperately need an answer.
I have a basic run of the mill Firewire capture card which I have just put
into my Dell Precision 410. I installed "Video Factory" from Sonic Foundry
and followed all the instructions, tips, etc. But when I plug my Sony
TRV-103 into the card and put in play mode it does not show any device
hooked up. The software manual says the capture card has to be
OHCI-compliant IEEE-1394, which is what it shows when checking in the
Windows Device Manager. I let Windows 98SE automatically assign it the
drivers since the card came with none and there is none on their web site
(Digital Research Technologies-DRFIREWIRE). Is there anything else I can do
or is this card just not made to work with this software.
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:46:17 -0600
From: "Jason Powell"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <008b01c0a04e$504b9dc0$ca140518@plano1.tx.home.com>
I agree that the "what's your address" syndrome at Radio Shack is
annoying, but I have to say that RS has saved my a** many times.
There just aren't that many places to go to find a 1/8" stereo
mini to 1/4" male adaptor at 9am with a shoot starting at 10:15.
The fact that there are about 30 locations here in Dallas makes it
almost too easy.
Jason Powell
Front Room Productions
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:56:55 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID:
>Blain,
>
>The question is whether you will be editing this stuff yourself or
>handing a raw footage tape to a client? In my experience, far more
>people accept and want a BetaSP tape than a DVCAM. Its certainly
>no problem to send a DV master to a duplication house, but far
>fewer post houses will want 4 hours of raw DV tape to edit with...
Almost every post house and certainly the high end shops in Toronto
accommodate DV playback, so I think that DV is a viable format.
John
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:43:18 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Audio break-out box schematic
Message-ID:
>Does anyone here have a schematic for an audio break-out box (a la
>BeachTek and Studio One) for DV camcorders? May I get a copy?
Not with adjustable gain but these ideas may work:
http://www.dv.com/magazine/2000/1200/rose1200.html
or http://www.locationsound.com/98summer/tips.html
Otherwise I'll pay BeachTek to do the work,
Ross
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:00:06 -0500
From: "Mike Woodworth"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: FW: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <200102270016.TAA09617@mclean.mail.mindspring.net>
It's exactly that willingness to trade personal privacy for convenience that
makes the web such a fun place. They gets my money in exchange for their
role as production-ass-saver, not my personal info.
--mike
Mike Woodworth
Divergent Media Solutions, Inc.
mike@divergentmedia.com
----------
>From: "Jason Powell"
>To:
>Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
>Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2001, 6:46 PM
>
> I agree that the "what's your address" syndrome at Radio Shack is
> annoying, but I have to say that RS has saved my a** many times.
> There just aren't that many places to go to find a 1/8" stereo
> mini to 1/4" male adaptor at 9am with a shoot starting at 10:15.
> The fact that there are about 30 locations here in Dallas makes it
> almost too easy.
>
> Jason Powell
> Front Room Productions
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:22:37 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: Cayman Graphics Power CG and Premiere 6.0
Message-ID:
This is the response from Cayman Graphics about Power CG and Premiere
6.0:
----------------------------------
The current version of Power CG does work the Premiere 6.0
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:22:42 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Message-ID:
Adobe After Effects 5.0 Enters the 3D Realm
Adobe Systems today announced Adobe After Effects 5.0, a new version of
the company's motion graphics and visual effects software. Adobe After
Effects 5.0 offers more than one hundred new features and productivity
enhancements that enable creative professionals to generate compelling
content for film, video, multimedia and the Web.
http://www.broadcastengineering.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2001/02_
feb/news/ae5_announce.htm
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:25:42 -0600
From: "Jason Powell"
To:
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <009e01c0a053$d18296a0$ca140518@plano1.tx.home.com>
John,
I'm not saying DV is not a viable format. I use it in my little
closed-loop production facility every day. Its just that most
producers don't ask for it, and few accept it willingly. That is
my experience here in Dallas, TX. Like the original post said,
this isn't meant to start a format war. DV is what "brought me to
the dance" with my own company. Its also still not widely accepted
as a acquisition format for corporate/industrial. Higher end post
shops may handle it, but most likely their clients are moving to
digi-beta or HD anyway. And there are certainly plenty of shops
that don't want to deal with it at all. That's why the majority of
my jobs are "script to screen." If I were looking to own/operate a
camera rig only I would be looking at high-end BetaSP or beyond to
mesh with the prevailing market attitudes.
Jason Powell
Front Room Productions
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Luna"
>
> Almost every post house and certainly the high end shops in
Toronto
> accommodate DV playback, so I think that DV is a viable format.
>
> John
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:46:05 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010227013856.009e3030@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 06:44 PM 2/26/2001 -0600, Jeff wrote:
>I have a basic run of the mill Firewire capture card which I have just put
>into my Dell Precision 410. I installed "Video Factory" from Sonic Foundry
>and followed all the instructions, tips, etc. But when I plug my Sony
>TRV-103 into the card and put in play mode it does not show any device
>hooked up.
It would help to know what the "run of the mill" 1394 card is. If it is
indeed OHCI compliant, it should show up in Device Manager>1394 Bus Controller.
Under that should be an entry saying the name of the bus controller, such
as "Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller." Click on
that and you should see a message saying "This device is working properly."
If any of the above isn't the case, you've got a problem.
Make sure that you are running Windoes SE, visit
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ for an update.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:55:42 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: "Jeff"
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Message-ID: <3A9B091E.000003.76851@dell-system>
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Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 06:46:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
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Jeff
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:59:23 -0500 (EST)
From: sb95@cornell.edu
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Message-ID:
good day, everyone,
i am putting together a system and just purchased the dv500 from pinnacle
and the geforce2 mx video card. does anyone know what scsi drive is
compatible with these?
thanks :)
sigal
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:06:08 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Message-ID: <200102262006.AA1519517826@mail.xiveren.com>
www.storagereview.com is a great place to research drives. Various benchmarks to help you judge sequential read/write speeds - important stats for video capture/playback.
--
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www.xiveren.com
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
--
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:20:27 -0500
From: "Ian Mattis"
To:
Subject: RE: Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Message-ID:
Not to throw a wrench in this, but doesn't codec mapping affect the display
of the waveform? I remember the old waveform/vector plug-in for Premiere
clipped at 100 IRE. You didn't know how high or if you had values above 100
IRE, it didn't display them. This was explained as an RGB mapping issue.
Since I like to shoot closer to 110, this would be a problem for me. Some
more knowledgeable members of this list might be able to give better
information.
Ian Mattis
Creative Director
Prime Image Communications
-----Original Message-----
From: Rik Albury [mailto:Rik.Albury@dalsemi.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:40 PM
To: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
Subject: RE: RE : Powerbook as waveform monitor?
Kurt said:
>Go to this web-site & download "videoscope" - Make sure you pay for
>it if you like it!
Anybody know where I can find something like this for a PC? Thanks,
-Rik.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:44:49 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Message-ID: <386762081.983241889830.JavaMail.root@web589-mc>
Jeff,
Is this a cheap question, or a question about a cheap firewire board? I'll
bid 25 cents.
Jest kidding.
<>
-=john markert
www.AccelVideo.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:02:42 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010226215454.01938bd0@mail.speakeasy.org>
>i am putting together a system and just purchased the dv500 from pinnacle
>and the geforce2 mx video card. does anyone know what scsi drive is
>compatible with these?
Any scsi drive should work. But no, I wouldn't recommend one these days -
especially not for low-bandwidth DV use. WAY too cost-ineffective.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:03:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <20010227030300.8758.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
It's true that the D9 (Digital S) format is better
than DVCAM--it's a 50mbs format vs. 25 for DV, DVCAM
and DVCPRO. Not as good as Digital Betacam, a 100mbs
format, but pretty darn good.
I went through this same exercise last year...checking
out D9 and DVCPRO50 too. Digibeta was too pricey, not
for the camera, but because I needed two decks for
whatever format I switched to. Going Digibeta would
have cost me between $125,000 and $150,000 by the time
I got the decks. But for $40,000 I went with high end
DVCAM and two decks. Not as good, but better than
Betacam.
The reason I didn't go with D9 was because I couldn't
find anybody else in the area that used the format,
and no dub house handled D9 tapes. Same thing with
DVCPRO50. Granted, I'm in the midwest and not on
either coast where things might be different. However,
we have to be compatible with others in our area,
which means Betacam, Digibeta or DVCAM. All three are
quite popular and all the dub houses take Betacam and
DVCAM, while one I know for sure takes Digibeta too.
So, there are issues other than the best quality,
unfortunately. For me the best bang for the buck is
DVCPRO50, but we didn't want to be the only kid on the
block with that toy. Same for D9. Actually, you could
get into D9 for about the same price as DVCAM. I
think, however, the problem with that format is that
JVC's cameras are pretty big and clunky, since they
use a VHS-size tape. Smaller seems to be more elegant,
when it comes to an acquisition format.
It's interesting that we've been through similar
things before in terms of the best quality not being
the most popular. For instance, back in the early
'80's, 16mm film was seriously better than any video,
but the non-theatrical world dropped 16mm like a hot
potato when portable video became available. I
couldn't give away my CP16R. Then on a consumer level,
remember Betamax? Significantly better than VHS, but
guess which one won. And about that same time period
on a professional level we had Type B (Bosch) 1"
equipment, which everyone considered better than Type
C. Type C, of course, became the standard, and few
people ever even saw a Type B portable deck, even
though they were tremendous.
Anyway, the bottom line of why we didn't want to go
into debt for big bucks Digibeta is that I don't think
Digibeta, DVCPRO50, D9 or DVCAm will be serious
contenders a few years from now. If you can upgrade
from what you're doing now and do it for a reasonable
price, why spend three or four times as much for
something that's just a tiny bit better when they'll
all be obsolete soon anyway. There's nothing quite so
bad as still making payments on equipment that's
obsolete.
And all that's strictly my opinion and has no other
validity, but there it is.
--- Richard Lin wrote:
> You ought to consider D9 if you're in the market for
> a Digital camcorder
> since it's in the same price range as the pro DVCAM
> equipment but it offers
> Digibeta quality as in lower compression and 4:2:2.
>
> Richard Lin
>
> At 03:32 PM 2/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I don't want to start a major war, but I'm about to
> make an investment and as
> >things are changing so rapidly, I wanted to get
> some input from other
> >professionals. I do video work as a sideline to
> fimwork: mostly industrials,
> >some guitar instructional tapes with famous guitar
> players, interviews with
> >big-name bands, that sort of thing.
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:06:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <20010227030620.23212.qmail@web4003.mail.yahoo.com>
You're basically right--everybody's got
BetacamSP...but almost everybody where I am also has
DVCAM these days. DSR80's are everyplace (we've got
DSR1800's).
--- Jason Powell wrote:
> Blain,
>
> The question is whether you will be editing this
> stuff yourself or
> handing a raw footage tape to a client? In my
> experience, far more
> people accept and want a BetaSP tape than a DVCAM.
> Its certainly
> no problem to send a DV master to a duplication
> house, but far
> fewer post houses will want 4 hours of raw DV tape
> to edit with...
>
> Jason Powell
> Front Room Productions
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
>
>
> > I shoot most of this with a BetacamSP DXC-537 with
> a PVV-1 back
> (a friends
> > camera). Great camera. I'm considering buying
> something along
> these lines
> > or maybe the next step up (a broadcast model
> instead of an
> industrial).
> >
> > I certainly want the optics and 2/3" CCD, but I'm
> considering
> the possibility
> > of a DVCam back instead of BetaSP. I'm sure the
> image quality
> is comparable,
> > I'm more concerned about client reaction and
> post-production
> compatibilty.
> >
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:09:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <20010227030902.53566.qmail@web9609.mail.yahoo.com>
I really love Radio Shack. Lots of connectors, wires,
adapters, powersupplies.... the list goes on. I have a
B&H catalog, and yes, their xlr-xlr mic cables are
better, but the cost!
For cheap-skate amature producer such as myself... how
I love to stroll the isles.
Once in a blue moon, I even meet an employee that
knows what I am talking about when I shop there.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:16:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <20010227031606.32181.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>
Walt,
I don't want to create bad feelings, but PLEASE! Do
not include me in your generalizations!
Walt said:
<<
I believe you'll find that most people on this list
will say that BetaSP and DV formats are roughly equal
>>
This is totally inaccurate. Blue/Green screen work
really cough's up a hairball with the DV codec.
If you feel this way, say so. Please don't drag me
into your format religion.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:43:48 -0800
From: Eric Bin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sorenson MPEG4 Beta codec
Message-ID: <3A9B2274.C3184D94@telus.net>
Thomas Fort wrote:
>
> I came across the following info on a computer list. I haven't heard
> anything about it here, and it wasn't mentioned in the recent Windows
> Media/Real/QuickTime discussion. Has anyone tried the Sorenson MPEG-4 beta
> codec, or know anything else about it?
I thought it looked very nice at MacWorld on the 22" displays but a
couple of their guys admitted that it was still not as good as their
Sorenson 3 Pro codec. It's still pretty beta though.
--
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"You must first believe in yourself. Others will follow."
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:48:20 -0800
From: "Vic Owen"
To:
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <003101c0a070$2082d3c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>
Craig--
I've read other good reports about that unit. I'm also somewhat of a
perfectionist. I just finished a training tape for United Airlines, and
make dups using both composite and S-video to my JVC consumer decks. Hardly
a noticeable difference between the two. I think the major loss is in the
format, not the type of video input. (My source deck is a Panasonic
AG-DV2000.)
The problem with getting the JVC deck you referenced is in the number I
need--I could afford one OK, but not the bank of 10 that I need for my
duplication setup. (Small operation -- maybe, after several more UAL jobs!)
I originally got this string started, and the one message I've gotten from
it is to not bother with a proc amp. Either too touchy, too noisy or both.
Also, it sounds like to use it, you'd need an expensive waveform
monitor/vectorscope.
Cheers, Vic
Playback Productions
Kirkland, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Andreiko [mailto:andreikoc@sprynet.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:41 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Hi,
I have an idea (maybe not a good one) on this topic. I have fought the
dub battle with high quality equipment: PD100, DSR20, SVO2100, TBC,
ProcAmps, Monster cables, Fuji Master tapes, video signal books, blah,
blah, blah. Although some, (people at Promax seminars, etc) thought my
dubs were good I was never satisfied. I wanted my tapes to play as well
as commercial VHS tapes. I think a lot of this discussion is steered by
different peoples values on what looks good. You have practical video
folks and you have people like me who are tend to be perfectionists.
Anyway, after a year of chasing this target I boughtthe JVC
miniDV/SVHS/VHS deck on Charles McConathy's advice. BTW, I am in no way
associated with Promax but I have found them to be completely credible
and Charles' advice has been unerring. OK, I got the deck, made a dub
and was blown away. Apparently JVC used some of their tricks to turn
this deck into what it is: a pro dub deck made just for our purpose.
To the chase: I would be glad to make dubs of some DV stuff on my
simple, push the button deck and send it to a couple of the video
knowledgeable folks on the list if some of the other guys will do same
with their rigs. Obviuosly we have to dub the same thing. Maybe Vidiot
or Charles would agree to rank the dubs?
Craig Andreiko
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:15 -0800
From: "Vic Owen"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <003901c0a072$123bd1c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>
I know the feeling -- once, when trying to purchase a 5 dollar item, the
clerk asked for my last name. I said, "cash". I thought that would give
him the message, but instead he asked for my first name, so I said,
"Johnny". He never skipped a beat, and continued writing. (He could at
least have asked for an autograph!) I got him disconnected before we got
the the address part.....
Cheers, Vic Owen
Playback Productions
Kirkland, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503 [mailto:johnsonb@wpt.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:19 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: My Rat Shack rant
In another thread, Bill wrote:
>That's why Radio Shack stores exist. <
I was wiring up my new editing rack the other day, and it turned out
I needed a couple S-Video+audio cables to finish it up. Went to
the Rat Shack I always go to, picked up the (absurdly expensive) 3'
cables and took them to the counter.
"What's your address?" the salesdrone asked.
THIS frosts me.
Now, I'm a pretty bad civil libertarian, not too concerned about
"privacy issues" per se' , but why, oh WHY can't I just pay for a
freakin' cable at RatShack without being re-entered into their
database for the ten thousandth time?
Of course, the guy can't type. It takes an eternity (it seems) to
swipe my card, get a reciept out of the printer...THEN he carbons
my card onto the reciept! WHAAAAAT?
And this is a TECHNOLOGY company?
As recently as the late '70's RatShack had competition...Lafayette
and some other stores. Gawd, how I miss those guys.
Rant off.
Bruce A. Johnson, CIC
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Innovations Unit
ICQ# 26415869
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:16:01 -0800
From: "John Holmgren"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <016e01c0a073$fee86460$9006aace@jh570>
Yeah, RS is pretty OK. I started buying stuff from them thru mail
order 50 years ago (think I bought my first transistor, Raytheon
CK722, gain-bandwidth of about 20kcps, from them, $3.95,
a fortune), They really were aimed at the amateur radio
operators and they expected that you knew what you needed and
how to use it. Same attitude applies today in the retail stores. Oh
well, they provide low-end employment.
JH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charos"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
> I really love Radio Shack. Lots of connectors, wires,
> adapters, powersupplies.... the list goes on. I have a
> B&H catalog, and yes, their xlr-xlr mic cables are
> better, but the cost!
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:33:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID: <20010227043304.15615.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
I'm going to rant here again about blue/green screen.
Have the people who say chroma keying sucks with DV
actually tried it? Do they know how to light for it?
I'll say it one more time and then I promise to never
say it again: I switched from Betacam acquisition last
year to DVCAM, and I do green and blue screen several
times a month. I have found NO difference between
keying with DVCAM and keying with BetacamSP. DVCAM is
no better and no worse. It keys the same. Badly lit
stuff is more of a pain and takes longer to get a good
key--just like it does with Betacam. Properly lit
stuff keys easy, just like it does with Betacam.
People with wispy blond hair are hard to key but you
can do it with good lighting and Ultimatte--just like
with Betacam. And it comes out looking fine, no green
or blue halos...just like in Betacam.
I'v also keyed DV from a half inch chip camera. Same
story. No problem.
So...am I the only person in the country shooting
DVCAM and doing chroma key who has no difficulties?
Heck, maybe I ought to do a training video on the
subject. Everybody send me $59.95 and I'll show you
how to key DV.
DV KEYS FINE.
OK. I quit. Everybody out there can keep right on
claiming that you can't do good keys with DV. I know
they're wrong, but that's their problem, not mine.
Enough said. I quit.
--- Charos wrote:
> Walt,
>
> I don't want to create bad feelings, but PLEASE! Do
> not include me in your generalizations!
>
> Walt said:
> <<
> I believe you'll find that most people on this list
> will say that BetaSP and DV formats are roughly
> equal
> >>
>
> This is totally inaccurate. Blue/Green screen work
> really cough's up a hairball with the DV codec.
>
> If you feel this way, say so. Please don't drag me
> into your format religion.
>
> - Bill Carpenter
> Athena Productions
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:39:23 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: B&W Playback Only???
Message-ID:
Darnation. Now I REALLY feel like a dynosaur. One more time, for the record
- Any tape recorded on a BVU deck will play back perfectly on a VO deck. If
its black and white, that's another problem that has nothing to do with the
deck model. We had problems like this, too, but it turned out that our tape
heads were shot and/or misalligned. Sheesh, I recall the time when we went
through this same issue in 1991. After that, it was the issue that had to do
with SP tape and non-SP decks...(will also play back interchangeably). I
have NEVER thought I would see the day when a whole generation would crop up
that has to be educated about 3/4 inch machines, but that's the way it is
when you're aging. Anyway, that's another issue us dynosaurs have to deal
with today...
Now does anyone recall that tape for one-inch machines were once threaded by
hand?
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: NewsmanSGW@aol.com [mailto:NewsmanSGW@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:25 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: B&W Playback Only???
<< Warning: you can play tapes, originated on the Sony VO series on both VO
and BVU machines but BVU tapes will play back black / white on the VO series
(AFAIR)
Ton G. >>
Can this be true? Any tape recorded on a BVU deck at a television broadcast
station, for instance, can not be played back in color on a Sony VO
model????
Can someone confirm or deny this for sure?
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:44:52 -0800
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010226204452.01ee0f00@m4.sprynet.com>
Since they've announced it, I guess can now say this:
AE5 is very, very, very cool.
Warning: when you upgrade, budget a couple of days to waste time just
playing with the new 3D layers, lights etc. Way too much fun, and a major
productivity sink if you had important work to do. :)
Nick
At 05:22 PM 2/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Adobe After Effects 5.0 Enters the 3D Realm
>
>Adobe Systems today announced Adobe After Effects 5.0, a new version of
>the company's motion graphics and visual effects software. Adobe After
>Effects 5.0 offers more than one hundred new features and productivity
>enhancements that enable creative professionals to generate compelling
>content for film, video, multimedia and the Web.
>
>http://www.broadcastengineering.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2001/02_
>feb/news/ae5_announce.htm
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:47:52 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: VHS Lousy Quality (tape quality issues)
Message-ID:
Hi Mark,
I think you're right. I am suspecting that the tape grade has very little
difference in image quality IN A FRESH DUB. I think this matters if you play
it back many times, and the lower grades start to show the wear and tear.
But then again, I hope someone can give a definitive answer here.
Randy Q
-----Original Message-----
From: Henry, Mark [mailto:mhenry@abwe.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:46 AM
To: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
Subject: RE: VHS Lousy Quality
Randy, admittedly I don't have any objective facts from experiments
comparing different tapes. My subjective evaluation is that the so-called
higher quality tape gives marginally better looking images. I also feel that
the tapes themselves hold up better thru repeated uses.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:50:50 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Message-ID: <001201c0a078$dc414a80$4423a8c0@dell420>
>Warning: when you upgrade, budget a couple of days to waste time just
>playing with the new 3D layers, lights etc. Way too much fun, and a major
>productivity sink if you had important work to do. :)
It's looks mondo cool - been reading the PDF today...
Nick - since you're talking now...how dependent is AE 3D display performance
on CPU vs. graphics card? And how well optimized for dual CPU's overall...
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's only after you've lost everything
that you're free to do anything."
~Tyler~
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:51:03 -0800
From: "Bruce Robertson"
To: "DV-L"
Cc:
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID: <010701c0a07c$0688ee80$44e037ce@office>
Brent,
> do not have power available . . .
> not want to have the camcorder running . . .
> I want to be able to pause the recording . . .
> I need a . . . "wake-up" feature for the camcorder.
The Addenda RS-1/LY will let you power up, record,
zoom, focus, and power down remotely. A more finished
version is the cooLzoom remote controller, with nicer
controls. ( www.addenda.com )
Bruce Robertson
Addenda Electronics
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:39:57 -0800
From: rdsanders@starway-pictures.com (Starway Pictures - rdsanders)
To:
Subject: Re: Betacam or DVCam?
Message-ID:
Amen. About 20% of my feature film (shot with VX1000) is green screen keyed
and I'm still getting kudos from people who can't believe I got such a great
matte. Now, this is not to say that the keying process hasn't been
difficult and cumbersome. But, I will freely admit that I shot the
greenscreen plates with the wrong lighting, the wrong color temperature and
definitely the wrong exposure.
Of course I've learned greatly from my experience and am planning some
reshoots that will require aditional keyeing and can't wait to apply what
I've learned. The only thing I can say to support the argument that DV
can't key well is lenses are everything. If your entire show relies on a
great key, then I recommend glass lenses and large CCD's.
Robert Sanders
www.starway-pictures.com/thedead/thedead.html
> I'm going to rant here again about blue/green screen.
> Have the people who say chroma keying sucks with DV
> actually tried it? Do they know how to light for it?
>
> I'll say it one more time and then I promise to never
> say it again: I switched from Betacam acquisition last
> year to DVCAM, and I do green and blue screen several
> times a month. I have found NO difference between
> keying with DVCAM and keying with BetacamSP. DVCAM is
> no better and no worse. It keys the same. Badly lit
> stuff is more of a pain and takes longer to get a good
> key--just like it does with Betacam. Properly lit
> stuff keys easy, just like it does with Betacam.
> People with wispy blond hair are hard to key but you
> can do it with good lighting and Ultimatte--just like
> with Betacam. And it comes out looking fine, no green
> or blue halos...just like in Betacam.
>
> I'v also keyed DV from a half inch chip camera. Same
> story. No problem.
>
> So...am I the only person in the country shooting
> DVCAM and doing chroma key who has no difficulties?
> Heck, maybe I ought to do a training video on the
> subject. Everybody send me $59.95 and I'll show you
> how to key DV.
>
> DV KEYS FINE.
>
> OK. I quit. Everybody out there can keep right on
> claiming that you can't do good keys with DV. I know
> they're wrong, but that's their problem, not mine.
> Enough said. I quit.
>
>
>
> --- Charos wrote:
>> Walt,
>>
>> I don't want to create bad feelings, but PLEASE! Do
>> not include me in your generalizations!
>>
>> Walt said:
>> <<
>> I believe you'll find that most people on this list
>> will say that BetaSP and DV formats are roughly
>> equal
>>>>
>>
>> This is totally inaccurate. Blue/Green screen work
>> really cough's up a hairball with the DV codec.
>>
>> If you feel this way, say so. Please don't drag me
>> into your format religion.
>>
>> - Bill Carpenter
>> Athena Productions
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:19:52 -0800
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010226211952.021cf3d8@m4.sprynet.com>
Stephen -
>Nick - since you're talking now...how dependent is AE 3D display performance
>on CPU vs. graphics card? And how well optimized for dual CPU's overall...
Since they've announced, I felt comfortable saying "it's very cool",
because it is -- the AE guys have done a *killer* job.
BUT: since it's not actually shipping, I don't feel it would be appropriate
to comment on performance or other techy issues. Let's wait until they're
done and the actual product is in a shipping box. You should be seeing
enough detail in the trade press over the coming days to keep your
curiousity mostly sated. Fair enough?
Nick
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:47:00 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Rentals in Russia - Moscow & St Pete
Message-ID:
Hello: My experience in those two major cities is that a extremely small
video camera is OK especially going through customs. Please do not expect
to get tape and if you do it will be very expensive their and do not carry a
camera in a bag that looks or says camera. Do not expect to rent NTSC gear.
What you may want to do is to lease or rent a camera from here with a gold
or platium credit card and also insure it on your home owners policy. Both
will help you if their are lost. If you intend to buy a camera before you
leave check your credit card company and see what they say as to loss or
theft. Do not leave the camera in your hotel room. Make sure you have
duplicate of each item ie papers. I have had great times in Russia when I
understand that the money dollars are in demand. I will be going back to
Siberia this summer to video and this is what I alway need to understand.
Tughollow
> From: Ross Jones
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:55:43 -0800
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Rentals in Russia - Moscow & St Pete
>
> Are there places to rent NTSC video gear in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg?
> Any tips on shooting incognito? We are sending 12 students next month.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
> Ross
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:49:13 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Adobe After Effects 5.0
Message-ID: <001401c0a081$04a4d2f0$4423a8c0@dell420>
Fair enough...
;)
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's only after you've lost everything
that you're free to do anything."
~Tyler~
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:47:24 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
Message-ID: <014701c0a089$255eafe0$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
get a Promise Fasttrack 66 RAID card and a couple of 30 to 80 G ide drives.
buy.com has the card. Much much better than a SCSI. For the price of a 9G
SCSI you could a 60G or great RAID that is only 4X faster.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Parker
To:
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: can you recommend a scsi hard drive?
>
> >i am putting together a system and just purchased the dv500 from pinnacle
> >and the geforce2 mx video card. does anyone know what scsi drive is
> >compatible with these?
>
>
> Any scsi drive should work. But no, I wouldn't recommend one these days -
> especially not for low-bandwidth DV use. WAY too cost-ineffective.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:00:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <77452EF21394.AAA4E7A@mail1.21stcentury.net>
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
-->
> From: "ifmp1"
>>From: "Richard Taylor"
>
>> You're postulating interactive stuff, no? I believe that would
>> fall under the heading of "interactive stuff."
>----------
>
>Video on TV is video, but video on the computer/web is something else.
>For example, right now on a web site, one might have a navigation bar or
>image map that allows people to choose, say, from a bunch of wigs
>offered for sale. Why not just have a person pop up in running video
>actually wearing each type of wig, speaking right to the user in
>whatever language they are using on their OS, saying "how do you like
>this one?", etc. The issue here is not the subject matter, but the
>mechanics, and the mechanics are here now in stuff like QuickTime,
>Shockwave and the whole bag of web development tricks. Bandwidth for TV
>on the web is not.
>
>Or how about running video as one of many data formats within larger
>applications, dynamically drawing in music from one place, video from
>another, and so forth, so that the movie is delivered and assembled in
>use? Dramatic narratives can be built this way too, as can symphonies or
>documentaries or whatever categories one might wish to use (or expand
>on). Right now, I think we're just in a phase of "the shock of the new".
>People are still really just grasping the idea of running video or music
>at all, in any manner, on their own computers. Pretty soon though, the
>shock will wear off, and people won't be so protective of the
>conventions of past media on/within this newer one. Its a big field,
>with a lot of the best thinking still left to be done.
I can see your point but video is video... just like a jpg is
a jpg. Presentation doesn't alter the format.
What I see you referring to is more on the order of an application
or simply software.
I agree with most of what you're saying. There's no real point to
arguing labels though.
>> The problem with most interactive stuff is that it's hardly
>> interactive. You get a preset story which you can follow...
>> or a set of building blocks to shuffle about. You don't
>> really get the opportunity to create. And... when you're
>> finished... what you have is the virtual equivelant of
>> a filled in page in a coloring book or something equivelant
>> to appropriated art. It's hardly satisfying intellectually,
>> it's no challenge and it leaves you with a real sense of
>> dis-satisfaction.
>------------
>
>Software design and narrative stories both make use of "decision" (and
>attendant action) and "consequence", but each in a different way. Part
>of what makes, say, a Hitchcock film so nerve wracking is the LACK of
>interactivity, the inability to DO anything when you find out stuff the
>characters don't know yet. By the end, what you have is a happy ending
>and all. But, you DO "participate" in the decision making process and
>"experience" consequences of it - albiet in a disembodied, passive
I'm not quite sure I follow... I don't see that the viewer
makes decisions beyond viewing or not viewing.
I do understand what you mean by "tension caused by lack of
interactivity." :} I'd think that only applies to the best
movies though.
You observe the decision making process. You don't participate.
You merely watch and wait and criticize.
>state. In narratives, decision is what builds and reveals character. In
>games, decision is often reduced to a knee-jerk, but sometimes comes
>quite close to that of a narrative. In software UI design, decision and
I don't see it... You're not meant to interact with video... you
don't make decisions with video unless you're making video. There
are no consequences, to the viewer, in video.
In games or software you are meant to interact. It's entirely different.
>consequence determine useability and learning curve. These are just two
>of many common elements in drama and software. Software could easily
>become more dramatic, and movies could easily become more like software
>applications. By "dramatic" with respect to software, I mean the
And would no longer be movies.
>structure and leverages of drama (not necessarily the "content" of it)
>as opposed to the other kinds of limited metaphors already in use for UI
>navigation and functionality (desktop, trash can, window panels, etc).
>Its only convention that causes us to think of them each within certain
>bounds. These things are especially made possible when any given media
>is absorbed into another of which it is just a subset, the way radio is
>a subset of television, or a brochure page is a subset of a web site.
>The same will happen with video on computers and the web. At first, they
>are merely "presented", and later, they start to go a little beyond just
>that.
Radio isn't a subset of Television. Radio is radio.
Why not just create a new label and call things what they are?
Software applications that incorporate video are not video.
Vidaps? How's Vidaps sound?
>--------------
>> That's probably why software is so popular.
>--------------
>
>Software will expand too, but yeah, its like getting a pre-recorded spam
>call on your phone - it doesn't match the leverages of the medium. You'd
>sit through it on your radio without dwelling on it, but its highly
>annoying on a telephone. Software fits computers better than television
>programming, but software can easily INCLUDE something "like" television
>sound, graphics, and pictures (and radio, telephony, photography and
>typography, etc, too). Right now, its as if we are in a crash zone,
>where video has landed in computer applications, and software is coming
>in over the phone, but all anyone wants to do is pretend to be Cecil B
>DeMille - even as their own identity gets lost in a sea of databases.
There's no reason that web video can't work exactly like television.
If you've a problem dealing with it as an element you can always
maximize the window. The resolution's better anyway... It's
technically better suited to enabling the same type of information
presentation if not distribution. Distribution will come.
>After all, this IS the future - and while you CAN be famous for 15
>minutes, people will need a search engine to find it and even then, they
>will only pay attention for 5 to 8 seconds.
>
>I think it will become apparent that the real limits of video/TV on the
>web are not bandwidth, but patience in the face of the interactivity and
>expectations of purpose inherent in the rest of the web and the rest of
>the software on people's PCs.
:} I'm going to vote for bandwidth, file video under video and
keep my eyes open for the development of newer art forms.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:10:44 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: DV-SP
Message-ID:
Is there a DVCPro50 Codec available for Mac?
Thanks,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert C. Fisher [mailto:rcfish@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:51 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Charos wrote:
> I read a message from a read how she/he liked the
> errors in the DV codec because he/she thought it
> looked more like real life.
>
> I remember the discusions about how, ultimately, the
> errors in the DV codec destroy really good chroma key
> in post.
>
> Ultimately, I want 4:2:2 compression, with a tape-head
> speed that at least gets into the ring with old
> analoge technology such as Betacam-SP (r). Without any
> loss. RLL encoding or such. On a cheap PC or
> camcorder.
>
> Who will step up to the plate and invent DV-SP?
>
> PLEASE! NOT SONY!
>
> - Bill Carpenter
> Athena Productions
>
Try JVC's D-9 it is 4.2.2 and a low 3.3-1 compression rate and compares very
well to DigiBeta. Panasonic's DVCPro 50 is the same codec as D-9 but
different tape formate but more expensive
than D-9 but less than DigiBeta. DVCPro 50 also uses med and large DV
cassettes whereas D-9 uses VHS sized stock. For the price nothing beats DV
and DV is somewhat better in image quality
compared to BetaSP but you are comparing apples and tanks(Digital to analog)
they both have their own problems.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:13:18 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: SemiOT: DVD-R Separates?
Message-ID:
Ok what's the deal. Are we always going to have to buy the super high end
Mac to get the DVD-R drives? Does anyone know when these will be coming out
separate? Putting one of these IDE drives in a IDE->Firewire case and
burning would be a nice thing.
Thanks,
Scott
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:20:36 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Message-ID: <3A9B5544.B24EBCB6@pacbell.net>
Scott Sanders wrote:
> Is there a DVCPro50 Codec available for Mac?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
Right now no one has written a DV50 codec but then the next problem is to get the DV50 stream into the computer. The best way to maintain the quality of DV50 is by using a uncompressed
card like the D1 Desktop or the CineWave. Both of these cards will run under FCP the only drawback is the amount of storage needed for uncompressed. It amounts to around 1GB per minute
depending on whether you are useing a 8 or 10 bit card. By going uncompressed you also insure the highest quality even through a lot of compositing.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:25:32 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SemiOT: DVD-R Separates?
Message-ID: <3A9B566C.4B448FB8@pacbell.net>
Scott Sanders wrote:
> Ok what's the deal. Are we always going to have to buy the super high end
> Mac to get the DVD-R drives? Does anyone know when these will be coming out
> separate? Putting one of these IDE drives in a IDE->Firewire case and
> burning would be a nice thing.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
A company called CDCyclone are going to release an external DVD-R firewire drive as soon as Pioneer can deliver enough drives. Apple may also offer the drive as a BTO option sometime in
the near future. Right now Apple can't deliver the G4/733 Macs due to shortages of G4 Chips and these drives which are in short supply from Pioneer. At MacWorld I talked to a gentleman
from Pioneer and he thought they might be able to deliver in quantities by the summer.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:27:11 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FCCA@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Somebody said, in part:
>>bounds. These things are especially made possible when any given media
>>is absorbed into another of which it is just a subset, the way radio is
>>a subset of television, or a brochure page is a subset of a web site.
> Radio isn't a subset of Television. Radio is radio.
Begin Rant {
I suggest for your consideration that television is a subset of Radio.
Generic "Radio" (as in Radio Frequency, or RF) includes the entire range
of electromagnetic propagation of information from one point to another
wirelessly through space. The information might be pictures, it might be
sound, it might be binary data, it might be a radar echo, or whatever.
Rather than "absorbed into", I suggest TV "grew out of" or became one
application of Radio. Radio is many things, as opposed to being just
radio.
} End Rant
-Rik.
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:01:43 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Re: Cheap Firewire Card Question?
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010227020100.00a0f9d0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 07:55 PM 2/26/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>And yes, your above statement is exactly right....It does say "Texas
>Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" and device is
>working properly.
Suspect cable, camcorder or camcorder setting.
BS
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:21:08 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: FYI
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010227082036.009f0a50@mail.dvcentral.org>
http://www.orangemicro.com/pr010226.html
BS
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:42:26 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Message-ID:
>Scott Sanders wrote:
>
> > Is there a DVCPro50 Codec available for Mac?
>
>Right now no one has written a DV50 codec but then the next problem
>is to get the DV50 stream into the computer. The best way to
>maintain the quality of DV50 is by using a uncompressed
>card like the D1 Desktop or the CineWave.
Well, the best way to maintain the quality would be to copy the
DV50-compressed data exactly as it is on the tape (as we do in DV).
Unfortunately, there is no DV50 (or DVCPRO50, or Digital-S) equipment
that will give us direct access to that data. The only digital
output, as bob points out, is via the uncompressed SDI connection.
>Both of these cards will run under FCP the only drawback is the
>amount of storage needed for uncompressed. It amounts to around 1GB
>per minute
>depending on whether you are useing a 8 or 10 bit card. By going
>uncompressed you also insure the highest quality even through a lot
>of compositing.
This is technically correct but can be a little misleading;
processing data from the SDI connection on the DV50 deck won't give
you any more quality than if you were processing from the raw DV50
data; what's lost has already been lost before it hit the tape.
Rendering using no compression, however, will ensure the highest
quality processing through multiple generations.
Same with bit depth -- bumping 8-bit to 10-bit raw video data will
not in itself add quality, but processing with the extra two bits of
headroom will make rendered effects look their best.
Again, Bob was right, I just wanted to clarify the points.
I do wish Sony, Panasonic, or JVC would give us access to the
compressed 4:2:2 data directly. That would be fun -- to work with
that level of quality without going uncompressed. For all of its
quality benefits, going uncompressed is a pain in the butt.
--Mike Jennings
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:49:56 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Any way around Sony 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID:
>I use the camera to tape concerts, dance performances, or similar
>situations were I want a camera mounted up high to be able to get an aerial
>viewcam style look. I often do not have power available to plug in a
>separate VCR, so the internal tape is used for recording. I may not want to
>have the camcorder running the entire time of the concert, otherwise it
>would run out of tape, so I want to be able to pause the recording at
>various times for more than 5 minutes.
What I've done in similar situations is to run a FireWire cable from
a camera without any tape to a portable DV Walkman, the Sony GVD-900
(a 300 would suffice, but the 900 gives you a nice monitor) with a
big old FP-950 (12-hour) Sony battery -- on the 900 that gets you
about 300 minutes. The 900 hangs around my neck by its camcorder
strap. That way I can monitor and start/stop recordings from down
below, and it maximizes the battery time on the camera.
Of course, the Addenda would be cheaper. But those little DV
Walkmans are damn handy.
--Mike Jennings
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:54:04 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID:
> >> I boughtthe JVC miniDV/SVHS/VHS deck on Charles McConathy's advice.
>>
>>Will this deck allow you to export from a computer via 1394 and record to
>>S-VHS or VHS without recording to mini DV first? And if so, do you get
>>the same great quality? I'm thinking about
>>ordering this deck, but want to know if I can use it to record programs
>>longer than 60 minutes.
>>
>>Thanks
>
>You must first record to DV before making a S-VHS/VHS tape. FireWire does
>not pass thorugh.
There's a hack with that deck; you can use the menus to route the DV
output to one of its analog outs, and the VHS input from its analog
ins. Then you run short analog cables from output to input.
That's how we have it set up in our lab. The (currently
Japanese-only) HR-DVS2U does not require this workaround.
--Mike Jennings
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Date: (Inget eller ogiltigt datum.)
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LEIF_RE=C9S?="
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: X-rays, no risk of damaged videotapes
Message-ID:
No risk of damaged videotapes by X-ray, Roentgen radiation.
The X-rays is photons just like light, but at another wavelenght
and energy level.
The energy is in the span of 40-120 keV, kilo electron Volts and
the accelerated photons can in no way harm the magnetic,
recorded material.
I did som test with a DV tape and put it in MRI machine,
at a Magnetic Radio Interference lab.
The supra conducting magnet is very strong and could easy
erase a credit card just by walking in the room.
But the DV tape was not erased, even if I put it right in the
magnetic focus.
Doing the samt thing with a VHS (Iron oxide) casette erased
the material to a level of -90%, the material was visible but
not usebel.
Consensus: X-rays does not harm videotape recordings.
Very strong magnetic fields can erase oxide tapes, but
metal EM tapes like DV/DVCAM is nearly impossible to
erase, even in a magnetic laboratorium.
With best regards Leif Re=E9s
leif.konsult@swipnet.se
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:34:54 -0500
From: "ifmp1"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
Message-ID: <20010227080651.LRPV26092.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@[12.78.200.223]>
RE:
----------
>From: "Richard Taylor"
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
>Date: Tue, Feb 27, 2001, 4:00 AM
> I can see your point but video is video... just like a jpg is
> a jpg. Presentation doesn't alter the format.
>
> What I see you referring to is more on the order of an application
> or simply software.
-----------
Well, the video itself can be composited with other track types, such as
HREF Tracks, which are part of the video timeline and turn the video (or
just the sound tracks) into hyperlinked media. Hotspots can be added to
video tracks to provide similar fuctionality, not only enabling
navigation from clip to clip, but navigation within clips. It is also
possible to enable or disable tracks in web video on the fly, changing
the language of the audio, adding or removing titles or other text, or
warping the video, adding/removing transparency, and/or altering many
other structural characteristics. Web video is not confined to a
standard codec and construction like JPEG, and even a series of JPEGs
"presented" in the form of 24 JPEGs per second is,,, a movie.
Video may be video, but video on computers is potentially something much
more. Add network connectivity, and you add the ability to composite
tracks on the fly from opposite ends of the earth, perhaps overlaying a
text article or narration generated via XML in a text file template or
whatever.
Some of this is a function of "container" applications that the video is
running in, and some of it is actually part of the structure of the
video tracks themselves. If a full implementation of the MPEG-4
standards work appears, then there is even more integration directly
into the video itself. Right now, most of this is constructed or added
via an array of separate applications.
---------------
>>Software design and narrative stories both make use of "decision" (and
>>attendant action) and "consequence", but each in a different way. Part
>>of what makes, say, a Hitchcock film so nerve wracking is the LACK of
>>interactivity, the inability to DO anything when you find out stuff the
>>characters don't know yet. By the end, what you have is a happy ending
>>and all. But, you DO "participate" in the decision making process and
>>"experience" consequences of it - albiet in a disembodied, passive
>
> I'm not quite sure I follow... I don't see that the viewer
> makes decisions beyond viewing or not viewing.
--------------
There is a tremendous body of work into the psychology of dramatic
structure, both in the dramatic arts and the cognitive sciences. The
nature of what is commonly interpreted as audience "participation" in
linear narrative has been well discussed. The kind of story structure
ideas kicked around in screenwriting seminars is full of "do's and
dont's" regarding action and consequence, completetion, "payoffs" and
such, which are mostly about how the audience thinks about (interacts
psychologically) the arc of a story and character development, etc.
If a play happens in the woods and nobody is there, does it have a happy
ending?
------------
> You observe the decision making process. You don't participate.
> You merely watch and wait and criticize.
------------
You actively make associations. You actively compare and connect
yourself with the material according to its structure, pacing, and so
forth. In "good" stories, there is some percieved payoff for doing so,
for making the _effort_.
------------
> I don't see it... You're not meant to interact with video... you
> don't make decisions with video unless you're making video. There
> are no consequences, to the viewer, in video.
>
> In games or software you are meant to interact. It's entirely different.
------------
You are reacting to, and interacting with the constructs of, this email
as you read it. And this is just text. I wager that if it was video,
you'd find the interactive potential somewhat greater, even from just
the activity of watching my facial expressions and using that to decide
how you will choose to feel about me as a "person" or how much credence
you might place on what I say. If the video had navigation built into
the screen coordinates that allowed you to repeat or slo-mo certain
sections to examine them, I bet you might do it. If certain things I
mention in the audio track contained embedded hyperlinks to other sites
offering related info, you might follow them.
Computer/web video actually allows a heck of a lot more interactivity
than anything I just mentioned.
---------------
>>consequence determine useability and learning curve. These are just two
>>of many common elements in drama and software. Software could easily
>>become more dramatic, and movies could easily become more like software
>>applications. By "dramatic" with respect to software, I mean the
>
> And would no longer be movies.
---------------
Not true at all, unless you have a very narrow definition of what a
movie is. You can still have all of the aspects you might associate with
linear movies. They are a subset. On the web today of course, the video
and other data is subject to bandwidth and data rate restrictions. This
makes it hard for this stuff to be mistaken for television right yet,
but bandwidth will increase. So will everything else, all the
interactive aspects, without which, we'd just be back on TV again
anyway.
------------
> Radio isn't a subset of Television. Radio is radio.
------------
I wonder how much you know about radio and television audio, or
broadcasting in general.
------------
> There's no reason that web video can't work exactly like television.
------------
Eventually, that will be proven true. Right now, I can use my telephone
much like I would a radio. There are numbers I can call to just sit and
listen to music or comedy for hours on end. There's no good reason
working people wouldn't come home and listen to hours and hours of jokes
over the telephone. Still, something keeps them from doing so.
Throughout this thread, some people have hinted that I am just talking
about some kind of imaginary future, but actually, I'm referring to the
web as we use it today, and computers as we use them today. At such a
time as when web video does "work exactly like television", it won't be
what we are using and discussing today. It may very well be on entirely
different types of networks and devices. Perhaps what you are talking
about is really just enhanced TV. I dunno.
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:14:01
From: "Sheila House"