DV-L Thu, 1 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 781
In this issue:
RS-232C vs. RS-422A
Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
RE: Shotgun mic?
Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Re: RE: Betacam or DVCam?
Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
RE:DV folk in Tucson,
Re: RS-232C vs. RS-422A
Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Re: equipment rental in NYC
Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit.
Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Re: Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit.
RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Re: BS is out of the office .....
RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
RE:DV folk in Tucson,
RE: Slightly OT: solar powered battery chargers?
Re: DV folk in Tucson,
I Love This List!
Re: My Rat Shack rant
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
dv quality
Re: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Re: I Love This List!
Re: Audio Hum = Ray Gun ;-)
Re: I Love This List!
RE: I Love This List!
Re: I Love This List!
Re: I Love This List!
RE: I Love This List!
RE: DV-SP
Digestisms
Re: I Love This List!
Re: Moving Stills???
Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Re: DV-SP
RE: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Sound forge 5?
Re: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Re: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Re: Digestisms
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Re: Best LCD Monitors? (TFT Active Matrix?)
striping tapes
Everybody: Cease fire !!!!!!!!!!
Re: Everybody: Cease fire !!!!!!!!!!
Wavelab 3.0 or Cool Edit 2000?
Re: Best LCD Monitors? (TFT Active Matrix?)
striping tapes
RE: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
Re: striping tapes
Re: striping tapes
Re: striping tapes
Re: striping tapes
RE: striping tapes
Re: striping tapes
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
external mike + in-cam mike?
Re: striping tapes
Re: external mike + in-cam mike?
Re: striping tapes
We love you Sheila !
Re: SV: Shotgun for PD 150
Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Re: striping tapes
Re: striping tapes
Fluid Head for DVCAM
Re: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Sony Switcher
PD-150 wireless mic solution
X-rays, no risk of damaged videotapes
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:11:51 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RS-232C vs. RS-422A
Message-ID:
There is always some confusion with this! It is a multi-level thing:
1) RS-232C & RS-422A are officially just different specs for serial
interface ports. They spec the connectors and signal voltages etc.
RS-422 is 'balanced' and capable of much longer cable runs and is
generally a more rugged format.
2) Sony decided to use the RS-422 I/F on all its broadcast machines,
whereas the industrial machines tended to have RS-232 to connect to
computers of that time. They also created a complete RS-422 machine
control protocol to allow use of editing and remote control. They made
this protocol freely available to the industry and it has become the
standard broadcast interface.
3) This protocol (unfortunately often called 'Sony RS-422') involves not
just a set of command software codes, but a complete hardware regime.
Many of the codes are 'Macro commands' which assume the provision of
servo sub systems and a high level of 'intelligence'. So for instance,
the 'Edit' command assumes there is an edit controller built in to the
machine, and this in turn relies on a full capstan servo and
synchroniser.
4) When these commands were only on expensive broadcast decks, there was
no problem, since all machines were built with the requisite hardware.
Many modern decks, particularly the cheaper DV machines, simply don't
have this hardware and therefore CANNOT utilise proper Sony RS-422
control as commonly understood in broadcast circles.
5) RS-232 control was far more randomly organised, often with a control
protocol peculiar to a particular machine. The protocol is often simply
a 'remote control' of the deck control panel functions, although
sometimes extra functions are added. There is no reason why a similar
limited protocol cannot exist but using the RS-422 connector, but this
does not make it the same as having the full broadcast style control.
6) In terms of broadcast engineering, NO Firewire controlled DV deck has
a real editor. The DSR-20,20,11 etc enact a 'back space edit' as used in
camcorders, which is just a carefully organised crash record with no
real control. It usually works, mainly because the DV format is so
simple (no control track) and tolerant of tracking errors.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:13:31 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Listening to Bach is hardly passive
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Hi Marc C. Hood, EdD, you wrote on 2/27/2001 6:29:34 AM:
>Vidaps sounds good... I can think of several reasons why Web video can't
Yeah... I don't think it really matters what you call them. Tho' it might
be nice to be able to distinguish between the various types.
>work *exactly* like
:} Ok... how's a reasonably good facsimile sound=3F As in... at full
screen the only difference between a decent mpg and broadcast
television is the higher resolution of the mpg, better reception
{I don't have cable.}, and no commercials. And... the fact that
the medium is distributed electronically.
Basically the experience can be the same. But, you're right...
it doesn't work the same way.
>television, though and is that really the evolutionary goal of the new
>medium=3F It's a little
No... it's not. At least I'm hoping we're going to shoot for more.
>like (another tired metaphor coming ;-) working hard to make Freelance
>work exactly like a Dove unit
>and a slide projector...you might be able to pull it off technically, but
>would it be Freelance if you did=3F
>
>Sounds like more of the rear view mirror to me.
Sounds like a waste of time. Something like making video look like film.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:34:02 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
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Hi Rik Albury, you wrote on 2/27/2001 5:57:33 AM:
>Richard Taylor (and I) said:
>
>>Radio is many things, as opposed to being just radio.
>
> But is it interactive=3F
>
>It certainly can be. I regularly engage in live, over-the-air, two-way
>conversations with individuals and groups. This usually involves
>television - ordinary NTSC television, just like you're used to seeing
>and hearing on your local broadcast station - but sometimes it's
>just voice, and sometimes there's a two way dialogue using TV one
>way and voice the other, simultaneously, just like a telephone
>conversation. (Full duplex.) And the quality of the video is as good
>or better than your local station - usually more like what you would
>expect and get from satellite or microwave. So you see, I find the
>best of the video (and audio!) you can get over the internet very
>un-fulfilling.
How's that=3F Video Phone=3F What do you mean=3F
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:15:19 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Shotgun mic?
Message-ID:
Sennheiser MKE-300.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....Could you guys please recommend a good shotgun mic for use with a
sony
trv-900? I'm an amateur videographer/filmmaker and would like to get
much
better sound than I'm getting with the in-cam mike. Any ideas,
preferably
not more than two or three hundred dollars?
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:35:47 -0500
From: "Don Mitchell"
To:
Subject: Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <003701c0a17a$98648360$0164640a@zeus>
Heart monitor and/or other medical electronics. Faked sonogram in which
kid takes dive.
DM
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:36:11 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <3A9C9C5B.3540.B77557E@localhost>
You wrote on 2/27/2001 10:49:06 PM:
>vizion@ixpres.com writes:
>
><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to be
> liveborn or stillborn.
> >>
>maybe something parallell, like the grandmother trying to decide how to
>die gracefully in a way to fufill the value of her life?
>
>just a thought
>or more visually
>drop of water perching, one way and fall on ice the other into the fire
>
>Always ready with a cliche!
>Luck to ya
>adr
Flash forward to images from life... delivery room,
positive images, negative images, etc...
Toss in a few images of suicide to show that it's the
kids choice {baby slashing wrists, etc}
Fill in the rest with subtle gestures and expressions
on the foetus's face.
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:10:55 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: sheilahouse@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Message-ID:
>I find this all to be very disturbing I will no longer suggest this
>list and web sites to friends nor make posts. Sheila House
Thank you very much you won't be missed.
John
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:29:06 +0800
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: RE: Betacam or DVCam?
Randy, another thing going here is you need less people carrying the equipment around. But I haven't heard of a Betacam crashing, only dirty heads and greasy controls.
Dexter
>
>I think one good argument for going Betacam versus DV/DVCAM is if your
>production house does rentals on the side. Or if you rent out your editing
>suite - over here, Betacam suites are perceived as being more professional
>and therefore charge more. If you don't, and you deliver only the finished
>product to your clients, then who cares? It becomes a religous issue. Our
>company had no established video culture, so I was able to bypass the analog
>age and jump right into digital. We now have a full-service facility with
>all the digital toys at a very reasonable cost!
>
>Randy Quimpo
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Anders Bergquist [mailto:anders.bergquist@chello.se]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:02 AM
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: RE: Betacam or DVCam?
>
>
>-If You doing most work inhouse, why bother about the equipments other owns?
>The most important thing is if You can deliver the videos on the format Your
>customers want.
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:32:28 -0600
From: "Bryan \"bc\" Castles"
To:
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Message-ID: <001301c0a18a$e534dea0$120210ac@nhic>
Not advice to any one party... just something to think about when things
like this happen on the list.
When you're argueing with a total idiot that just doesn't seem to listen or
understand, be sure the other person isn't doing the same thing.
bc
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:49:34 -0500
From: William_Edmunds@avid.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE:DV folk in Tucson,
Message-ID: <85256A01.004BF42F.00@aamta02.avid.com>
Sheila House wrote: "...... I =A0am very sorry to everyone who as
been subjected to this exchange ...."
If you're so sorry why didn't you reply off list?
Bill E.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:30:51 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: RS-232C vs. RS-422A
Message-ID: <002601c0a18d$f35a0e80$6401a8c0@design1>
Why not use the Firewire port for both deck control and capture. I'm using a
DSR-20 and DSR-30 that way and they work perfectly. I believe there was a
discussion here some months ago on the fact that neither the DSR-20 or
DSR-40 worked completely using the standard RS-422 Sony protocol used on the
BetaSP machines.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: RS-232C vs. RS-422A
> Does anyone have any opinions on the strength and weaknesses of the
RS-232C
> vs. RS-422A for deck control through a PC? Is there a difference?
>
> More specifically, I am weighing the pro's and cons of the DSR-20 and the
> DSR-40.
>
> I basically will be using the deck for long duration recording coupled
with
> live logging. I am also needing accurate post-cueing and subsequent batch
> capture.
>
> Any input would be tremendous.
>
> I know many of my questions never get answered, but it is cathartic
> sometimes simply to put :to> out here in the ether.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Derek
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:06:30 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Message-ID: <00ca01c0a190$c16d4420$6401a8c0@design1>
Personal attacks are on the forbidden list of activities for DV-L. You might
want to take this off list before you have no choice.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila House"
> Andrew, is there a medication that you were taking and now are not? You
have
> engaged a stranger, in a public place, to a "lets trade insults" forum. I
am
> sorry everyone but I just can't walk away in the face of that last
arrogant
> statement.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:32:59 -0500
From: Rogue Films
To:
Subject: Re: equipment rental in NYC
Message-ID:
Pal or NTSC equipment?
Pal East, I have good experiences renting from.
Warm regards,
K.
Kevin O'Hanlon
> From: wes chow
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:57:30 -0800 (PST)
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: equipment rental in NYC
>
>
> anybody know a good place to rent a camera (sony vx1000 or canon gl or
> xl-1) and mic (for dialogue indoors) for a weekend in NYC?
>
> I figure that behind LA, NY has got to be the easiest place in the US
> to rent equipment...
>
>
> Wes
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:49:37 +0800
From: "Andy King"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit.
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Hi all,
Has anyone tried or had sucess with the
Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit including MGI Video Wave.
It seems quite cheap at $84.50 US.(Adaptec site)
I use Macs at work but am looking for a card
to use at home with my Pentium 3/800.
I have a GE Force2 graphics card onboard.
Any Conflicts? or info please.
cheers
Andy King
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Has anyone tried or had sucess with=20 the
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It seems quite cheap at $84.50 = US.(Adaptec=20 site)
I use Macs at work but am looking for a = card
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I have a GE Force2 graphics card=20 onboard.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:51:36 -0800
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Message-ID: <3A9D3AA8.A67958FF@golden.net>
Thanks Sheila, I appreciate your concern and will take it to heart.
Fortunately, I stopped taking the blue pills decades ago...and after I
took the red pill...everything became very clear...and now pills are no
longer necessary...but the reality of the red pill is just immense..
Cheers..Andrew...(PS..don't take the blue pills...the FDA tests were
fudged)
Sheila House wrote:
>
> Andrew, is there a medication that you were taking and now are not?
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:57:05 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228095509.0195ada0@mail.speakeasy.org>
Nothing wrong with a generic 1394 card and Win2k, but if you want to get
any actual editing done go with Ulead's Media Studio Pro 6. Videowave
specifically is pretty useless for any but the most casual user.
>Has anyone tried or had sucess with the
>Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit including MGI Video Wave.
>It seems quite cheap at $84.50 US.(Adaptec site)
>I use Macs at work but am looking for a card
>to use at home with my Pentium 3/800.
>I have a GE Force2 graphics card onboard.
>Any Conflicts? or info please.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:02:13 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <000901c0a197$708d83b0$4423a8c0@dell420>
>vizion@ixpres.com writes:
>
><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to be
> liveborn or stillborn.
>
If it's a short film under 10 minutes, sometimes by focusing on one theme
can lend itself to more development. What length is the piece? Who is the
intended audience and how will it be shown?
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's only after you've lost everything
that you're free to do anything."
~Tyler~
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:15:37 -0500
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: BS is out of the office .....
Message-ID:
>From: Bertel Schmitt
!
>
>BS. Somewhere near the Baltic Sea.
>
>
Does a Viao float in the Baltic?
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:22:50 -0600
From: "Stacy"
To:
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID:
Just some ramblings:
The Buddhists say that what keeps us comin back is our attachment to the
planet. We miss the sky, the trees, animals, the people we connected with in
a previous incarnation. We want to come back because we are in some way a
part of all that forever.
I'm not expert on this, as I'm a Buddhist/Baptist/Episcopalian, but it makes
sense to me.
If I were doing this piece, that is what I focus, that attachment to the
world that for all it's chaos and pain is the place where we learn our best
lessons.
Someone told me once that this attachment is like honey on a razor blade..
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen van Vuuren [mailto:stephen@xiveren.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:02 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
>vizion@ixpres.com writes:
>
><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to be
> liveborn or stillborn.
>
If it's a short film under 10 minutes, sometimes by focusing on one theme
can lend itself to more development. What length is the piece? Who is the
intended audience and how will it be shown?
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's only after you've lost everything
that you're free to do anything."
~Tyler~
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:40:46 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <20010228154046.13922.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
do you suppose that child labor laws apply to fetuses? Or should I say
feti?
if so, i suppose you'll have to find yourself a set of twin feti. You
think the olsen's are up for it? :)
Wes
--- Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
> >vizion@ixpres.com writes:
> >
> ><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> > 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> > 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to
> be
> > liveborn or stillborn.
> >
>
> If it's a short film under 10 minutes, sometimes by focusing on one
> theme
> can lend itself to more development. What length is the piece? Who is
> the
> intended audience and how will it be shown?
>
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "It's only after you've lost everything
> that you're free to do anything."
> ~Tyler~
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:58:40 -0500
From: "Don Mitchell"
To:
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
Message-ID: <003a01c0a19f$52140690$0164640a@zeus>
Wait! Maybe we should all be getting our equipment tuned up and our tickets
to Tucson ready.
Because if what Schwartz (yeah, PhD Harvard 1971 -- I checked) and Russek
have found
"...will revise the way we view everything -- body, mind, spirit, energy --
everything."
[www.livingenergyuniverse.com/book/overview.htm]
then they'll be on the platform in Stockholm one of these years, and we'll
have good DV, memories and all, to sell to the networks. The Early Years
and all that.
Don Mitchell
PhD Harvard 1972 (anthropology)
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew kohl"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
> Thanks Sheila, I appreciate your concern and will take it to heart.
> Fortunately, I stopped taking the blue pills decades ago...and after I
> took the red pill...everything became very clear...and now pills are no
> longer necessary...but the reality of the red pill is just immense..
>
> Cheers..Andrew...(PS..don't take the blue pills...the FDA tests were
> fudged)
>
> Sheila House wrote:
> >
> > Andrew, is there a medication that you were taking and now are not?
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:23:39
From: "Sheila House"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE:DV folk in Tucson,
Message-ID:
Because I was being personally attacked in public. I didn't see anyone else
writing to the attacker to suggest to him that he should not be doing what
he was doing. I am sure the people who have emailed me with interest may
feel that the response by andrew was out of line as well. He did even have
his facts right
>From: William_Edmunds@avid.com
>Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: RE:DV folk in Tucson,
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:49:34 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sheila House wrote: "...... I am very sorry to everyone who as
>been subjected to this exchange ...."
>
>If you're so sorry why didn't you reply off list?
>
>Bill E.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:28:56 -0500
From: Ron Kanter
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: solar powered battery chargers?
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010228112856.00816c20@mailbox.bellatlantic.net>
I used two panels from NRG to charge their ProPacs in Papua New Guinea.
Worked perfectly for my VX1000.
I don't have much use for the solar panels in Philadelphia, so if you want
to get two of them at a bargain price let me know. NRG makes cables which
connect almost any battery to any camera.
Regards,
Ron
New Cops - Real Stories from the Philadelphia Police College
A Documentary TV Series by Ron Kanter
Find out more at WWW.NewCops.Com
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:33:05 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson,
Message-ID: <3A9D2840.FF8BBB56@adent.com>
Actually, I've quite enjoyed the flames that don't involve me :-)
mhood (it's good to warm my bones beside the fire)
Sheila House wrote:
> Because I was being personally attacked in public. I didn't see anyone else
> writing to the attacker to suggest to him that he should not be doing what
> >
> >If you're so sorry why didn't you reply off list?
> >
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:54:44 -0800
From: kabbage
To:
Subject: I Love This List!
Message-ID:
wow, that's kind of extreme. i'd have to say that the valuable advice that
this list has to offer seriously outweighs the occasional personal diatribes
that Bertel has to occasionally squash, and believe me when he reads this
one we will most definitely lose some of the troublemakers! my advice is to
just squash misinformation with raw facts and ignore the rabble rousers.
just my 2 cents...
-kabbage
>----------------------------------------------
> From: "Sheila House"
> Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
>
>...I will no longer suggest this list and web sites to friends nor make posts.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:37:35 -0600
From: Brian Johnson
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <3A9D375F.822D3E90@earthlink.net>
Radio Shack to me is a great place for audio connectors. A few years back I got two of their PZM
Microphones which are no longer sold there. Crown the maker of Radio Shack's PZM microphones
decided that they would sell their own version of PZM Microphones to the Pro audio market and for more
money than what Radio Shack was selling them for.
The electronic supplies for custom audio devices that I make are also cool. They have everything they sell
online so you can know what you want before you step inside.
Have a nice day!
Clear Sky
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:01:18 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FCD4@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
>Richard Taylor (and I) said:
>
>>Radio is many things, as opposed to being just radio.
>
> But is it interactive?
>
>It certainly can be. I regularly engage in live, over-the-air, two-way
>conversations with individuals and groups. This usually involves
>television - ordinary NTSC television, just like you're used to seeing
>and hearing on your local broadcast station - but sometimes it's
>just voice, and sometimes there's a two way dialogue using TV one
>way and voice the other, simultaneously, just like a telephone
>conversation. (Full duplex.) And the quality of the video is as good
>or better than your local station - usually more like what you would
>expect and get from satellite or microwave. So you see, I find the
>best of the video (and audio!) you can get over the internet very
>un-fulfilling.
To which Richard Taylor replied:
How's that? Video Phone? What do you mean?
--
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
First, let me ask you how you posted without getting footers?
Second, I suggest you re-read my post. What part of "over-the-air"
and "ordinary NTSC television" did I fail to make clear? Video Phone
conferences in which I've been involved have all been worse than
internet video. What I'm talking about is better than broadcast.
As for interactivity, consider this: The person with whom I'm
conversing says he has a burned out component on a circuit board, and
he can't read the markings on it. He shows me a close-up, and I say,
"Oh yes, that's a such-and-such." He disagrees with me, and so I
show him my similar board with the component un-burned, clearly
showing the 2-millimeter high markings on the component. He agrees,
but says, gee, he doesn't have one of those. I say no sweat, it's
just a simple R-C network - a series capacitor with resistors to
ground on each end. He says he has the parts, bus doesn't know how
to substitute them for the chip. He shows me his burned board again,
and I do a frame grab. I transmit back to him, using the frame I
captured as my chroma key background. I make a few comments about
the procedure I'm suggesting, pointing to traces on the circuit
board like features on a weather map. Finally, I draw a circuit
diagram of the R-C network with my Videonics sketch pad, connecting
my hand drawn parts to the appropriate points on the circuit board.
A few minutes later, he shows me his completed work, and I agree it's
ready to try out. By the way, I'm in Dallas, and the other guy is in
Decatur, 55 miles away. About that time, someone else who has been
watching, and is in Cedar Creek Lake, 50 miles in the opposite
direction, chimes in and says he disagrees with my suggestion - he's
got a better way to do it, and proceeds to show us how he modified
his board to improve performance. Then several other viewers chime
in to show us their alternatives...
This is not "futures". This all goes on routinely, every day here in
the Dallas area. I use a 2-watt FM television transmitter to beam
signals to a "repeater" located on the tallest building in downtown
Dallas. My signal is simultaneously retransmitted in all directions
at 1000 watts, using conventional NTSC vestigial sideband, just like
your local broadcast station, except not necessarily limited to a 6
MHz bandwidth. The system covers a radius of about 75 miles.
So now you're gonna say, "Only 75 miles?" How far can you send video
of that quality over the internet? OK, so I can't go world wide, but
we are about to launch a weekly satellite feed that will cover North
America. Don't have any hooks into TDRS yet.
-Rik.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:53:04 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <000001c0a1a8$72fa7c50$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Hey thank you all for your contributions.. in reply to the queries:
Film length is not finally settled but will be between between 28 and 40
mins.
Film is in two versions - version 1 is for graduate/postgraduate audiences -
Version 2 -- 28 mins for edutainment...
Differences between Versions 1 & 2 do not effect the handling of the Baby in
Womb theme.. Major variations are in the sound track and content/scope of
some of the other images.
Hopefully reasonably well educated audiences.
Film is to be used as basis for post viewing seminars.
Primary distribution Medium is DVD
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
> >vizion@ixpres.com writes:
> >
> ><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> > 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> > 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to be
> > liveborn or stillborn.
> >
>
> If it's a short film under 10 minutes, sometimes by focusing on one theme
> can lend itself to more development. What length is the piece? Who is the
> intended audience and how will it be shown?
>
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "It's only after you've lost everything
> that you're free to do anything."
> ~Tyler~
>
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:54:32 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <000101c0a1a8$73b98690$3946989e@VIZION2000>
From: "Stacy"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
>
> Just some ramblings:
> The Buddhists say that what keeps us comin back is our attachment to the
> planet. We miss the sky, the trees, animals, the people we connected with
in
> a previous incarnation. We want to come back because we are in some way a
> part of all that forever.
> I'm not expert on this, as I'm a Buddhist/Baptist/Episcopalian, but it
makes
> sense to me.
>
> If I were doing this piece, that is what I focus, that attachment to the
> world that for all it's chaos and pain is the place where we learn our
best
> lessons.
>
> Someone told me once that this attachment is like honey on a razor blade..
I love that image
DE
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen van Vuuren [mailto:stephen@xiveren.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:02 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
>
>
> >vizion@ixpres.com writes:
> >
> ><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> > 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> > 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to be
> > liveborn or stillborn.
> >
>
> If it's a short film under 10 minutes, sometimes by focusing on one theme
> can lend itself to more development. What length is the piece? Who is the
> intended audience and how will it be shown?
>
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "It's only after you've lost everything
> that you're free to do anything."
> ~Tyler~
>
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
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>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
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>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:55:02 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
Message-ID: <000201c0a1a8$74630d00$3946989e@VIZION2000>
ROTFL
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "wes chow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: Imaginative ideas....challenging concepts..I am stuck!!
>
> do you suppose that child labor laws apply to fetuses? Or should I say
> feti?
> if so, i suppose you'll have to find yourself a set of twin feti. You
> think the olsen's are up for it? :)
>
>
> Wes
>
>
> --- Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
> > >vizion@ixpres.com writes:
> > >
> > ><< 1.Baby is in the womb right until the end of the film--
> > > 2.Imagines/fears/is excited by how its life may turn out ...
> > > 3.and throughout the film is constantly trying to decide whether to
> > be
> > > liveborn or stillborn.
> > >
> >
> > If it's a short film under 10 minutes, sometimes by focusing on one
> > theme
> > can lend itself to more development. What length is the piece? Who is
> > the
> > intended audience and how will it be shown?
> >
> > stephen
> >
> > www.xiveren.com
> >
> > "It's only after you've lost everything
> > that you're free to do anything."
> > ~Tyler~
> >
> >
> >
> > -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> > http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> > http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its
> > members.
> >
> > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
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>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:07:59 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: dv quality
Message-ID: <20010228170759.3448.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
this might be a misguided question...
let's say we're making a feature length film that originates completely
on DV and will eventually be printed to film.
let's also say that we don't care about render time at all (the footage
will be going through color correction, sound tweaking, etc.)... is
there any reason to go with an Avid editing system over something like
the Pinnacle DV500, DC1000, Matrox RT2000, DVStorm, or DVRex (or any
"prosumer" targeted cards)? Specifically, is the quality of the
filters, and eventual DV rendering any better with the Avid system than
with any of the others?
Wes
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:14:08 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <3A9D31E0.D69B7C6B@adent.com>
I noticed that posts that originate in the "dreaded acronym" don't pick up the footer. A rather strange anomaly that I can't begin to explain.
BTW, how's the bass fishin' at Cedar Creek? Used to be one of my favorite places on earth, dusk in one little cove we called "the Hog Pen" ;-)
Rik Albury wrote:
>
> First, let me ask you how you posted without getting footers?
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:30:10
From: "Sheila House"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I Love This List!
Message-ID:
All I wanted to do was share a really big oppertunity with other producers
and dv shooters. I am making a documentary and gathering facts for a
screenplay that relates to the material conference (being organized by the
University of Arizona)addresses. That's how I came to be in contact with
Gary and Linda who said it would be nice to have the conference video tape.
A producers luck break. At the same time I know many others are working on
the same. This is 'high- prime -time in demand' subject matter. A
University Conference to fund it's research will bring together people that
a producer would have to spend a ton of money on to fly from on side of the
world to the other for interviews. The next thing I know I am being
insulted as supporting a guru group of religious cults through the dv board,
and since no one was standing up for me I stood up for myself. It is
interesting that while I was under attack from Andrew and John, not once but
twice, that no one said, "Hey guys, maybe you should consider this... or...
don't be insulting". But as soon I say something back in my defense I get
little snippy remarks from more men that are only more insults after I asked
that the insults stop. Since this feels like an 'ol boys club' with extreme
bias i am about to attempt to block the dv-l email.
>From: kabbage
>Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To:
>Subject: I Love This List!
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:54:44 -0800
>
>wow, that's kind of extreme. i'd have to say that the valuable advice that
>this list has to offer seriously outweighs the occasional personal
>diatribes
>that Bertel has to occasionally squash, and believe me when he reads this
>one we will most definitely lose some of the troublemakers! my advice is to
>just squash misinformation with raw facts and ignore the rabble rousers.
>
>just my 2 cents...
>
>-kabbage
> >----------------------------------------------
> > From: "Sheila House"
> > Subject: Re: DV folk in Tucson, Arizona/andrew
> >
> >...I will no longer suggest this list and web sites to friends nor make
>posts.
>
>
>-- (cut off when replying)-----------------
>This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
>http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
>To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:24:58 -0600
From: Brian Johnson
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Audio Hum = Ray Gun ;-)
Message-ID: <3A9D427A.A73227F9@earthlink.net>
Take a gander at:
http://www.arboretum.com/S20_products/S22_raygun/S222PRODINFO.html
Have a Nice Day
Clear Sky
Drakes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a horrible hum in my audio track caused by improper wiring of a mic
> cable. I am unable to isolate this hum in FCP. Does anyone know of a
> product for Mac, similar to the Sound Forge Noise Gate that will anaylize
> hum and then remove it from the sound track? Any tips for isolating hum in
> FCP? Thanks for any information.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George W. Fisher
> Prague, Cz
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:45:27 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I Love This List!
Message-ID: <3A9D3937.F55CCAC4@pacbell.net>
Sheila House wrote:
> All I wanted to do was share a really big oppertunity with other producers
> and dv shooters. I am making a documentary and gathering facts for a
> screenplay that relates to the material conference (being organized by the
> University of Arizona)addresses. That's how I came to be in contact with
> Gary and Linda who said it would be nice to have the conference video tape.
> A producers luck break. At the same time I know many others are working on
> the same. This is 'high- prime -time in demand' subject matter. A
> University Conference to fund it's research will bring together people that
> a producer would have to spend a ton of money on to fly from on side of the
> world to the other for interviews. The next thing I know I am being
> insulted as supporting a guru group of religious cults through the dv board,
> and since no one was standing up for me I stood up for myself. It is
> interesting that while I was under attack from Andrew and John, not once but
> twice, that no one said, "Hey guys, maybe you should consider this... or...
> don't be insulting". But as soon I say something back in my defense I get
> little snippy remarks from more men that are only more insults after I asked
> that the insults stop. Since this feels like an 'ol boys club' with extreme
> bias i am about to attempt to block the dv-l email.
It's a shame that you are being chased from the list by 2 members. I thought this list and others are for the free flow of information concerning this subject(being DV) and to help others
with problems that arrise from their endevers. Everyone should be a little more open minded and considerate of others.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:46:16 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Cc:
Subject: RE: I Love This List!
Message-ID: <000001c0a1ae$5a520500$4423a8c0@dell420>
Sheila:
The cheap potshots offered by Andrew Kohl et. al. were just that, cheap pot
shots. Your original post was focused on the need for DV shooters, and
despite what may have been posted, many of the requests for shooters on the
this list are for no pay.
Unfortunately, the list police are in Switzerland or some such, so this
thread went on far too long. Don't reply to the cheap pot shots - it's
always a losing battle that just junks up the list. Wait for Bertel (list
police) to squash the thread.
Yes, the list does smack of good old boy stuff, as does the
video/film/computer world in general. But don't give up, never give up.
You'll find most folks on the list helpful, experienced, friendly and
accepting of all of our differences.
Use a good email program to filter out the rants of the "grumpy old men" on
the list. There are a number of women on the list as well and we need more,
plain and simple. Please give us another chance.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's only after you've lost everything
that you're free to do anything."
~Tyler~
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:02:58 -0800
From: Donna@iguanalove.com
To:
Subject: Re: I Love This List!
Message-ID:
This is not an old boy's club. Email lists are wonderfully democratic in
that you are judged only by your words.
If they have a budget and are charging for the conference, they should
budget in money to pay the cameraperson. If this is a no-budget documentary
you are directing then explain that at the outset. People will decide if it
is worth their time based on the quality, experience and potential of the
person behind the project.
Donna
> All I wanted to do was share a really big oppertunity with other producers
> and dv shooters. I am making a documentary and gathering facts for a
> screenplay that relates to the material conference (being organized by the
> University of Arizona)addresses. That's how I came to be in contact with
> Gary and Linda who said it would be nice to have the conference video tape.
> A producers luck break. At the same time I know many others are working on
> the same. This is 'high- prime -time in demand' subject matter. A
> University Conference to fund it's research will bring together people that
> a producer would have to spend a ton of money on to fly from on side of the
> world to the other for interviews. The next thing I know I am being
> insulted as supporting a guru group of religious cults through the dv board,
> and since no one was standing up for me I stood up for myself. It is
> interesting that while I was under attack from Andrew and John, not once but
> twice, that no one said, "Hey guys, maybe you should consider this... or...
> don't be insulting". But as soon I say something back in my defense I get
> little snippy remarks from more men that are only more insults after I asked
> that the insults stop. Since this feels like an 'ol boys club' with extreme
> bias i am about to attempt to block the dv-l email.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:20:00 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I Love This List!
Message-ID:
>This is not an old boy's club. Email lists are wonderfully democratic in
>that you are judged only by your words.
>
>If they have a budget and are charging for the conference, they should
>budget in money to pay the cameraperson. If this is a no-budget documentary
>you are directing then explain that at the outset. People will decide if it
>is worth their time based on the quality, experience and potential of the
>person behind the project.
>
>Donna
I agree I am not trying to chase anyone off this list but when a
person attacks other's without explaining what's going on they are
wrong.
We receive way to many request to do something for free.
We also offer services for free when we feel we that a project is justified.
I don't like the way Shelia attacks without any explanation, she
asked for something for free and someone who objected in a facetious
way was slammed. When an explanation was required not insults.
My comment was based on the fact that I did not want to hear any more
about this.
This was not personal she said she would no longer post and I said
thank you very much you won't be missed.
>I find this all to be very disturbing I will no longer suggest this
>list and web sites to friends nor make posts. Sheila House
Thank you very much you won't be missed.
John
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:25:05 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: I Love This List!
Message-ID: <001101c0a1b3$c6406220$4423a8c0@dell420>
>We receive way to many request to do something for free.
What does it cost you to not respond? I see absolutely nothing wrong with
this. I hope that people will continue to post requests, paid, unpaid,
whatever, to the list. In fact, this a prime example of what DV-L does best.
>Thank you very much you won't be missed.
The tone of your response was at best unprofessional, at worst rude. I find
ironic that the very people complaining that the request for work was not
paid (i.e. professional work) cannot conduct themselves in a professional
manner.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's only after you've lost everything
that you're free to do anything."
~Tyler~
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:34:50 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DV-SP
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D77A@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Mike Jennings wrote: Well, the best way to maintain the quality would be to
copy the
> DV50-compressed data exactly as it is on the tape (as we do in DV).
> Unfortunately, there is no DV50 (or DVCPRO50, or Digital-S) equipment
> that will give us direct access to that data. The only digital
> output, as bob points out, is via the uncompressed SDI connection.
Not wanting to be argumentative, this is not entirely true, actually SDTI is
the perfect way to bring DVCPR050 native compressed files into a computer
based system. SDTI is similar in nature to 1394 but has none of the length
limitations and can be run over the basic BNC cable structure. We do this
with our DVCPRO50 Native editing solution newsBYTE50. It is true as far as
the other lower cost systems are concerned and maybe over time this will
resolve it self as the DV50 products come into a lower price range and thus
the makers of the NLE and the machines will find reason enough to offer 1394
solutions that will do DV50.
FWIW,
Jan
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:36:16 +0100
From: Rolf Howarth
To:
Subject: Digestisms
Message-ID:
At 0:39 -0800 28/2/01, DV-L wrote:
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:12:17 -0800 (PST)
>From: Bill
>Subject: Re: X-rays, no risk of damaged videotapes
>
>That's excellent information to know. I wonder why DV
>tapes are less susceptible to magnetic fields than others?
>...
>
>Velcro
If you scan the digest quickly you sometimes make some quite
unintentional associations!
On reading this I got visions of velcro being used to stick on the
magnetic particles... presumably DV tapes use stronger velcro??
-Rolf
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:40:02 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I Love This List!
Message-ID: <3A9D4602.978F2CA0@adent.com>
Sheila, I sure hope you didn't misinterpret my little remark as being yet another personal attack. I was referring to the several times in the recent past where I was the target of the
flame throwers. This really is a wonderful list, but it does sometimes require a thick skin. I *hope* you don't choose to abandon ship, but if you do you only need to unsubscribe (see the
directions in the footer) and you will, for sure, block the dv-l email.
mhood
Sheila House wrote:
>
> little snippy remarks from more men that are only more insults after I asked
> that the insults stop. Since this feels like an 'ol boys club' with extreme
> bias i am about to attempt to block the dv-l email.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:41:33 -0500
From: "Kevin LeGrande"
To:
Subject: Re: Moving Stills???
Message-ID:
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I am achieving barely accepatble results with my Canon GL-1 on a =
tripod and my stills attached to wall mounted board. But using my zoom =
control on the camera and the tripod handle at the same time requires =
more dexterity than I either have or care to use.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:51:37 -0500
From:
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
Message-ID:
It is true as far as
>the other lower cost systems are concerned and maybe over time this will
>resolve it self as the DV50 products come into a lower price range and thus
>the makers of the NLE and the machines will find reason enough to offer 1394
>solutions that will do DV50.
>Jan
Hi Jan,
Yesterday, I went to Michigan's Association of Broadcasters meeting
in downtown Lansing. There, I checked out Pana's HD 100 machine and
camcorder. I shot some footage with my trusty XL1 and we took the
tape and popped it into the HD machine. IT WORKED! My DV-25 was uprezzed
to 1080i and displayed on a HD pana monitor (4x3 black sides)!
How cool is that?! VERY. It looked good too.
I was very impressed that your engineers have taken this route . . .
play ANY DV format tape from mini-DVCPro-DVCAM-DVCPro 50-DVC-HD100.
Now if they could only drop the price from $55K to $15K :)
Also, the rep (can't remember _her_ name) was telling me about
a camcorder that does 720P (my favorite flavor)
at user chosen frame rates of 3fps,15fps,30fps,45fps,60 and higher.
Wow, you guys are listening. Film style choices for progressive
video frame rates. That rocks!
Tell the engineers this is really exciting and GOOD WORK.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:16:45 +0000
From: Fogar
To:
Subject: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010227191159.0250aeb8@popmail.libero.it>
Hi,
I'd like to have many audio tracks and to mix some musics and sound effects
for my videos.
I'd like know if is better Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5 software.
Is Cakewalk Pro audio 9 easier to use than Soundforge?
Or is it easier another program?
Thanks Fogar
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:08:08 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-SP
Message-ID: <3A9D4C97.7C8FC9C6@pacbell.net>
"Crittenden, Jan" wrote:Not wanting to be argumentative, this is not entirely true, actually SDTI is
> the perfect way to bring DVCPR050 native compressed files into a computer
> based system. SDTI is similar in nature to 1394 but has none of the length
> limitations and can be run over the basic BNC cable structure. We do this
> with our DVCPRO50 Native editing solution newsBYTE50. It is true as far as
> the other lower cost systems are concerned and maybe over time this will
> resolve it self as the DV50 products come into a lower price range and thus
> the makers of the NLE and the machines will find reason enough to offer 1394
> solutions that will do DV50.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Jan
>
Jan
Why does'nt Panasonic jump into the fray with some solutions. You could devise a 1394 solution with Final Cut Pro/QT codecs and maybe get JVC into the action as well. SDTI would work great
except there is no hardware available for MAC's or PC's. A PCI SDTI board with drivers and codecs would also spur your hardware sales by increasing the post production end of it, more post
options less expensive means more camera and deck sales(at least in my warped mind). The big problem is most of these DV systems are proprietary closed systems with the exception of
DV25(DV & DVCAM). DV and DVCAM will play on decks but DVCPRO will not, and this was when I had a Panasonic DV deck no less.
Maybe some day.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:29:35 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Sound forge 5?
Message-ID:
I personally use SF VegasPRO (I think it is now called Vegas Audio 2.0 now)
It is very easy to use and fast. I have not tried cakewalk, so cannot
compare the two.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Fogar [mailto:alvmo@libero.it]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:17 AM
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Hi,
I'd like to have many audio tracks and to mix some musics and sound effects
for my videos.
I'd like know if is better Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5 software.
Is Cakewalk Pro audio 9 easier to use than Soundforge?
Or is it easier another program?
Thanks Fogar
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:52:31 -0600
From: "Bryan \"bc\" Castles"
To:
Subject: Re: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Message-ID: <00a701c0a1bf$fcfda280$120210ac@nhic>
Cakewalk is not just a start clicking around and you've got it program. It
is also really intended for Audio/MIDI compositions. I don't really use it
for anything other than multitrack recording. Outside of that it is
cumbersome, and a waste of money. If your goal is to grab a performance and
drop to separate audio tracks to actually "mix" your music, then definitely
a nice choice. If you are planning on taking finished material, or
partially finished material and combining it with sound effects and voice
overs to get a complete product... you'd be better off with something like
SoundForge and maybe Acid 2.0. I use all three of these pieces of software,
and I have yet to open Cakewalk for anything other than hooking up the
Roland XP-60, the drum machine, a vocalist... you get the point right?
bc
Version3
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fogar"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
> Hi,
> I'd like to have many audio tracks and to mix some musics and sound
effects
> for my videos.
> I'd like know if is better Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5 software.
> Is Cakewalk Pro audio 9 easier to use than Soundforge?
> Or is it easier another program?
>
> Thanks Fogar
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:04:25 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Message-ID: <200102281504.AA460783876@mail.xiveren.com>
DigiDesign has a free version of ProTools available for download.
http://www.protools.com/
Does 8 audio tracks and 48 midi tracks. Both Mac and PC versions. Can't hurt to give it a try...
Note PC version does not work under NT or Windows 2000 (bummer).
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:08:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Digestisms
Message-ID: <20010228200813.10905.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
Yep, heheheh, I'd say you're scanning a bit too
quickly. The velcro reference was about sticking on a
wireless mic receiver. But...maybe that's how
magnetisim works...itty bitty microscopic pieces of
hook velcro grabbing all those electrons with eye
velcro....
--- Rolf Howarth wrote:
> At 0:39 -0800 28/2/01, DV-L wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:12:17 -0800 (PST)
> >From: Bill
> >Subject: Re: X-rays, no risk of damaged videotapes
> >
> >That's excellent information to know. I wonder why
> DV
> >tapes are less susceptible to magnetic fields than
> others?
>
> >...
> >
> >Velcro
>
> If you scan the digest quickly you sometimes make
> some quite
> unintentional associations!
>
> On reading this I got visions of velcro being used
> to stick on the
> magnetic particles... presumably DV tapes use
> stronger velcro??
>
> -Rolf
> --
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> Stratford-upon-Avon UK.
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:21:01 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FCD5@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Marc wrote, in part:
...posts...in the "dreaded acronym" don't pick up the footer.
Thanks! Interesting observation.
...how's the bass fishin' at Cedar Creek?
Sorry, I wouldn't know a bass (fish) from a bass (fiddle). I'd
be more likely to recognize the fiddle. My last time at CCL was
about a year and a half ago, and I've never felt any urge to go
back, but we have a group of TV repeater system users there.
Mostly they just like to watch the weather radar, I think.
Did I mention you could send commands to the system to make it
display your choice of three different live radars, NASA TV, a
signal strength monitor, a waveform monitor, the view from a
steerable, zoomable camera on the building top, and several
graphic screens, as well as two live inputs from system users?
How's that for interactivity? - and remember, it's all at better
than broadcast quality - not the tiny, jerky pictures you get on
the internet.
But that's probably more than anybody wanted to know...
-Rik.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:26:08 -0500
From: "Matt Burke"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Best LCD Monitors? (TFT Active Matrix?)
Message-ID:
I just saw this message by Mitchell Gass. I was wondering if anyone has
responded to his request. I'm curious as well. I've seen the Citizen lcd
monitors and they're horrible. Does Sony sell any flat screens like the
ones attached to their consumer cameras. If they don't then does anyone
know who supplies those screens to them.
Matt
>From: Mitchell Gass
>Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Best LCD Monitors?
>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:52:49 -0800
>
>I'm looking for a good portable monitor that I can use to show DV tapes to
>small groups of clients (typically no more than 5), and a good LCD monitor
>would be lot more convenient than lugging the 14" CRT monitor I have now.
>Any suggestions? I'd like one that is at least 14" and that will do justice
>to good DV sources.
>
>I'm confused about specifications for LCD monitors. The one I've seen so
>far that I've liked, the Sharp LC-150M2U
>
> http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,210,00.html
>
>looked great in a demo, but it's rated at "330 Lines Scan Doubled", which
>would seem to be much less than the 525 lines for DV. The LCD panel is,
>however, supposedly 640 X 480 pixels; shouldn't it be possible to get a
>scan line per row of pixels?
>
>Although it's too small for what I need, the Delvcam 5.6" LCD monitor sold
>by Markertek
>
>
>http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/Store.cfm?manufacturer=Delvcam&main=product.cfm?BaseItem=DELV%2DPRO56
>
>supposedly has 480 lines of resolution but only a 320 X 240 LCD panel. Is
>this possible?
>
>And the Samsung 170MP multifunction (VGA/NTSC) monitor
>
> http://www.samsungmonitor.com/html/170mp.html
>
>looks fantastic as 1280 X 1024 computer monitor and terrible as a TV
>monitor. Why?
>
>Finally, I've heard that much higher resolution LCD panels are coming soon.
>Should I wait? Advice welcome!
>
>Mitchell Gass
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:16:14 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: striping tapes
Message-ID: <20010228211615.25707.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
I read in various places that you should always "stripe" a miniDV tape
before using it by placing the lense cap on the camcorder and hitting
record for the full length of the tape.
I don't quite understand what this is supposed to do... I take it that
it's supposed to write a nice, completely sequential timecode onto the
tape. Does this mean that successive recordings don't put on their own
timecodes? So, timecodes are only written once onto any miniDV tape?
Wes
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:54:46 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Everybody: Cease fire !!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228224519.01b9d8d0@mail.dvcentral.org>
Hmmmm. I've been barely away for two days and already the flamethrowers
come out.
Notice To All Correspondents:
No personal attacks allowed here. None. If you want to duke it out, do it
in private mail. If this doesn't stop IMMEDIATELY then I'll go back through
the last days' posts, collect some names and unsubscribe them summarily in
the usual unfair, arbitrary, and indiscriminate style that made DV-L famous.
Also: I'm not here to settle any arguments. We are all grownups, and if you
think you have grievances, go to Judge Lucy.
Again: More bickering and heads will roll.
BS. DV-L Taskmaster, back at his big screen and fat pipe.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:57:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Everybody: Cease fire !!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <200102282157.PAA28681@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Hmmmm. I've been barely away for two days and already the flamethrowers
>come out.
>BS. DV-L Taskmaster, back at his big screen and fat pipe.
Hey, don't lump me in the flamethrowers. I've very quiet :-)
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:02:24 +0000
From: Fogar
To:
Subject: Wavelab 3.0 or Cool Edit 2000?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010227215927.02647a50@popmail.libero.it>
Hi,
I'd like to know the difference between Wavelab 3.0 and Cool Edit 2000.
Could they both work with avi files and audio contemporarily?
Thanks Fogar
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:40:38 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: Best LCD Monitors? (TFT Active Matrix?)
Message-ID:
I watched a DVD on a top price Sony Vaio a few weeks ago and it looked
horrible. There was nothing in the shadow areas at all, and it looked
very lifeless and flat compared to the same DVD on a CRT screen. I
thought it may be the PC gamma thing, but I've just got a 15in Apple
Studio LCD to go with my G4 and it still doesn't look right. It's better
than the PC but I wouldn't use it for any sort of picture evaluation.
It may be the MPEG2 decoder of course. I'll take some time to look at
some trusted DV material but I'm not hopeful. What it is very good at is
viewing angle tolerance which on many TFT screens (eg the Vaio) can be
terrible.
Matching even crt video and computer screens has always been difficult,
they tend to use different phosphors and as we said there is a gamma
difference.
The new Sharp LCD televisions are getting some good press, but I saw one
reviewed (in a mag) with a price tag of $20,000!!
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:40:40 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: striping tapes
Message-ID:
Hopefully Bertel & Alexis will spend some of their donated cash on an
FAQ server, and this will definitely be in the top ten!
It's not your fault Wes, you've probably only just joined us.
Anyways the answer to your question is that no, striping DV tapes
doesn't create a permanent timecode and cannot prevent timecode
discontinuities. The best that can be said is that it ensures that the
timecode will never be reset to zero in mid tape.
Most folk think it is a waste of time and head hours.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:58:32 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D77B@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
jmerser wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I went to Michigan's Association of Broadcasters meeting
> in downtown Lansing. There, I checked out Pana's HD 100 machine and
> camcorder. I shot some footage with my trusty XL1 and we took the
> tape and popped it into the HD machine. IT WORKED! My DV-25
> was uprezzed to 1080i and displayed on a HD pana monitor (4x3 black
sides)!
> How cool is that?! VERY. It looked good too.
We did a similar program here last night, LA Orange County, called DV to HD,
were we spent the evening talking about the ATSC charts and what all of this
stuff meant. Then invited folks to pass tapes up to have it play in the
machine. It was a very cool thing. The thing that sometimes goes
unexpressed and unrealized at the time is that the work that Panasonic has
done here guarantees all DV formats a 10-15 year life span. It means that
any DV archive can be played in an native DV machine, no special devices, no
special cables, just put it into the machine and it will play, into an HD
environ and be useable as such. No other manufacturer can make this claim.
> I was very impressed that your engineers have taken this route . . .
> play ANY DV format tape from mini-DV-DVCAM-DVCPRO50-DVCPRO HD.
The machine we used last night had older software and I was feeling a little
frustrated in that I had to keep going into the menus to change it, but the
new software is a pop and play. You can even get the machine to a pan and
scan(not active mind you but you do a bit of a choice on the par that gets
cut off if you are doing a 16: out of the 4:3. It is the coolest machine
and technology that I have witnessed and I have been in this business since
1973.
>
> Now if they could only drop the price from $55K to $15K :)
Give it some years, it may well happen. Look at the price points on the
beginning of DVCPRO, $17,000 and now we have full studio machines for $7995.
Technology doesn't wait and it continues. So maybe you will get your wish
someday.
> Also, the rep (can't remember _her_ name)
Patti
was telling me about
> a camcorder that does 720P (my favorite flavor)
> at user chosen frame rates of 3fps,15fps,30fps,45fps,60 and higher.
> Wow, you guys are listening. Film style choices for progressive
> video frame rates.
Yes indeed, we do there is a press release on this over on the website, www.
panasonic.com/broadcast
> Tell the engineers this is really exciting and GOOD WORK.
I shall and thanks for the kind words,
Jan
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:04:56 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <017b01c0a1da$fe167140$6401a8c0@design1>
How many times must this misinformation go around? Striping a tape does not
guarantee continuous timecode! What does is making sure that you always
start recording a frame or so over the last clip previously recorded on the
tape whenever you review earlier takes or remove a tape for any reason. If
you see timecode other than 00:00:00 in the viewfinder before starting to
record you're OK. If not back up a little until you capture the old
timecode. This is why you always want to record a few seconds past the last
good footage so you've got someplace to start the next clip without losing
valuable footage or timecode.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "wes chow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:16 PM
Subject: striping tapes
>
> I read in various places that you should always "stripe" a miniDV tape
> before using it by placing the lense cap on the camcorder and hitting
> record for the full length of the tape.
>
> I don't quite understand what this is supposed to do... I take it that
> it's supposed to write a nice, completely sequential timecode onto the
> tape. Does this mean that successive recordings don't put on their own
> timecodes? So, timecodes are only written once onto any miniDV tape?
>
>
> Wes
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:19:54 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <20010228231954.11159.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com>
sorry to restart this thread, but you've stated precisely what I don't
understand.
Let's say I take a completely blank tape (no stripe), record 10
seconds, turn off the camera, turn it back on, rewind to the 5 second
mark. When I start recording, is the camera going to start the
timecode counter at 5 seconds, or at 0?
From what you said (the very last line), I'm guessing that the camera
will start the counter at 5 seconds.
*this means that the camera starts the counter at whatever timecode
value is at the current position on the tape*
-- this is, in essence, the statement I want verified.
IF this is true, then striping DOES work, because by striping, you
ensure a sequential timecode on the tape, and thus the camcorder will
NEVER reset the timecode to 0 since it will ALWAYS find a pre-recorded
timecode on tape. Whenever it turns on, it will pick up the striped
timecode on the tape.
Wes
--- Walt wrote:
> How many times must this misinformation go around? Striping a tape
> does not
> guarantee continuous timecode! What does is making sure that you
> always
> start recording a frame or so over the last clip previously recorded
> on the
> tape whenever you review earlier takes or remove a tape for any
> reason. If
> you see timecode other than 00:00:00 in the viewfinder before
> starting to
> record you're OK. If not back up a little until you capture the old
> timecode. This is why you always want to record a few seconds past
> the last
> good footage so you've got someplace to start the next clip without
> losing
> valuable footage or timecode.
>
> Walt
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:36:33 -0500
From: Kevin Dunn
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID:
>Let's say I take a completely blank tape (no stripe), record 10
>seconds, turn off the camera, turn it back on, rewind to the 5 second
>mark. When I start recording, is the camera going to start the
>timecode counter at 5 seconds, or at 0?
>From what you said (the very last line), I'm guessing that the camera
>will start the counter at 5 seconds.
yes the time code will regenerate at whatever is already on the tape.
The only benefit i see of prestriping a tape is to prevent gaps in
the code due to complete power down or Tape removal. You will avoid
problems, If you use the edit search to make sure you always start
recording over the last frame of video with timecode.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:47:23 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <01b401c0a1e0$d72bebe0$6401a8c0@design1>
It would start at 5 seconds that's right. However the problem is on the out
point. If you don't overlap every shot where you have come out of pause mode
since the previous shot there can still be a break in timecode. It may only
be a frame or two but that will kill batch capture. That means striping the
whole tape doesn't buy you anything overlapping the last clip does. DV
camcorders do not do insert editing they assemble clips.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "wes chow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: striping tapes
>
> sorry to restart this thread, but you've stated precisely what I don't
> understand.
>
> Let's say I take a completely blank tape (no stripe), record 10
> seconds, turn off the camera, turn it back on, rewind to the 5 second
> mark. When I start recording, is the camera going to start the
> timecode counter at 5 seconds, or at 0?
> From what you said (the very last line), I'm guessing that the camera
> will start the counter at 5 seconds.
>
> *this means that the camera starts the counter at whatever timecode
> value is at the current position on the tape*
> -- this is, in essence, the statement I want verified.
>
> IF this is true, then striping DOES work, because by striping, you
> ensure a sequential timecode on the tape, and thus the camcorder will
> NEVER reset the timecode to 0 since it will ALWAYS find a pre-recorded
> timecode on tape. Whenever it turns on, it will pick up the striped
> timecode on the tape.
>
>
> Wes
>
>
> --- Walt wrote:
> > How many times must this misinformation go around? Striping a tape
> > does not
> > guarantee continuous timecode! What does is making sure that you
> > always
> > start recording a frame or so over the last clip previously recorded
> > on the
> > tape whenever you review earlier takes or remove a tape for any
> > reason. If
> > you see timecode other than 00:00:00 in the viewfinder before
> > starting to
> > record you're OK. If not back up a little until you capture the old
> > timecode. This is why you always want to record a few seconds past
> > the last
> > good footage so you've got someplace to start the next clip without
> > losing
> > valuable footage or timecode.
> >
> > Walt
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:44 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: striping tapes
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D77E@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Wes wrote:
>
> *this means that the camera starts the counter at whatever timecode
> value is at the current position on the tape*
> -- this is, in essence, the statement I want verified.
>
> IF this is true, then striping DOES work, because by striping, you
> ensure a sequential timecode on the tape, and thus the camcorder will
> NEVER reset the timecode to 0 since it will ALWAYS find a pre-recorded
> timecode on tape. Whenever it turns on, it will pick up the striped
> timecode on the tape.
Wes, If you just start recording video the Timecode will be laid down by
the camera while it is recording.. Since DV cameras do not do an insert
edit while doing an acquisition recording, the time code that you have
written on the tape will be recorded over. If you follow the instructions
above of playing back video first before recording, many of the cameras will
pick that up, but not all do. It is individual. Generally speaking the
more prosumer types do but the inexpensive ones don't.
Time code is written into a sub code area of the video track unlike LTC
which runs along one edge, but in either case a video camera does an full
record and thus would make your striping the tape a futile waste of time.
I hope that helps to clarify,
Jan
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:31:56 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <20010301003156.2377.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
> yes the time code will regenerate at whatever is already on the tape.
>
> The only benefit i see of prestriping a tape is to prevent gaps in
> the code due to complete power down or Tape removal. You will avoid
> problems, If you use the edit search to make sure you always start
> recording over the last frame of video with timecode.
ah, I see.
Isn't to "prevent gaps" the reason why people suggest striping? These
gaps are precisely what screws up batch capture. And if I'm shooting,
hit pause, and then the camcorder powers off after a few minutes, I may
very well forget to rewind slightly to pick up the timecode before
restarting the shoot.
Voila! prestriping eliminates this problem.
as for wear and tear... what's worse: constantly rewinding to the tail
end of the previously shot clip every time your camcorder happens to
power off, or going through and striping the entire tape once?
okay, that's enough on this topic. If it's such a horrible thing,
let's not bring it back even more... :)
Wes
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:42:36 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <3A9D469C.32755.E106432@localhost>
On 28 Feb 2001, at 11:01, Rik Albury wrote:
> >Richard Taylor (and I) said:
> >
> >>Radio is many things, as opposed to being just radio.
> >
> > But is it interactive?
> >
> >It certainly can be. I regularly engage in live, over-the-air, two-way
> >conversations with individuals and groups. This usually involves
> >television - ordinary NTSC television, just like you're used to seeing
> >and hearing on your local broadcast station - but sometimes it's
> >just voice, and sometimes there's a two way dialogue using TV one
> >way and voice the other, simultaneously, just like a telephone
> >conversation. (Full duplex.) And the quality of the video is as good
> >or better than your local station - usually more like what you would
> >expect and get from satellite or microwave. So you see, I find the
> >best of the video (and audio!) you can get over the internet very
> >un-fulfilling.
>
> To which Richard Taylor replied:
>
> How's that? Video Phone? What do you mean?
> Second, I suggest you re-read my post. What part of "over-the-air"
> and "ordinary NTSC television" did I fail to make clear? Video Phone
> conferences in which I've been involved have all been worse than
> internet video. What I'm talking about is better than broadcast.
"Over the air" implies "Over the air". Ordinary NTSC implies ordinary
NTSC. This and a videophone are mutually exclusive?
> As for interactivity, consider this: The person with whom I'm
> conversing says he has a burned out component on a circuit board, and
> he can't read the markings on it. He shows me a close-up, and I say,
> "Oh yes, that's a such-and-such." He disagrees with me, and so I
> show him my similar board with the component un-burned, clearly
> showing the 2-millimeter high markings on the component. He agrees,
> but says, gee, he doesn't have one of those. I say no sweat, it's
> just a simple R-C network - a series capacitor with resistors to
> ground on each end. He says he has the parts, bus doesn't know how
> to substitute them for the chip. He shows me his burned board again,
> and I do a frame grab. I transmit back to him, using the frame I
> captured as my chroma key background. I make a few comments about
> the procedure I'm suggesting, pointing to traces on the circuit
> board like features on a weather map. Finally, I draw a circuit
> diagram of the R-C network with my Videonics sketch pad, connecting
> my hand drawn parts to the appropriate points on the circuit board.
> A few minutes later, he shows me his completed work, and I agree it's
> ready to try out. By the way, I'm in Dallas, and the other guy is in
> Decatur, 55 miles away. About that time, someone else who has been
> watching, and is in Cedar Creek Lake, 50 miles in the opposite
> direction, chimes in and says he disagrees with my suggestion - he's
> got a better way to do it, and proceeds to show us how he modified
> his board to improve performance. Then several other viewers chime
> in to show us their alternatives...
I suppose that fits into a definition of "interactive." In that sense,
the whole net's interactive {which it is... I just want to clarify.}
Does this have anything to do with "art" or the uses we traditionally
associate with video? {Perspective} I'm not sure how it's relevant...
It's not "interactive" video in the sense that the viewer interacts with
the video.
> This is not "futures". This all goes on routinely, every day here in
> the Dallas area. I use a 2-watt FM television transmitter to beam
> signals to a "repeater" located on the tallest building in downtown
> Dallas. My signal is simultaneously retransmitted in all directions
> at 1000 watts, using conventional NTSC vestigial sideband, just like
> your local broadcast station, except not necessarily limited to a 6
> MHz bandwidth. The system covers a radius of about 75 miles.
> So now you're gonna say, "Only 75 miles?" How far can you send video
> of that quality over the internet? OK, so I can't go world wide, but
> we are about to launch a weekly satellite feed that will cover North
> America. Don't have any hooks into TDRS yet.
Actually, my real question went something like "So... where in here
do you answer my question?" Which, I should probably rephrase to
does this system have a name? A purpose? To which I might add...
How does this differ, conceptually, from a videophone and how is this
specifically "digital"?
{{Only thing I can think of is that your local system killed the
attachments.}}
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:51:51 +0100
From: "guillaume coudray"
To:
Subject: external mike + in-cam mike?
Message-ID: <006f01c0a1e9$eae37140$3116e4d5@coudray>
Hi,
Regarding VX 1000 and 2000, is there any trick to have one mike on one track
and the built-in mike on the other? I'm 99% sure it's not possible in any
way, just want to check.
Thanks.
Guillaume
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:58:45 -0500
From: Kevin Dunn
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID:
>very well forget to rewind slightly to pick up the timecode before
>restarting the shoot.
Checking tape position after a power down should be part of the
shooting ritual.
>Voila! prestriping eliminates this problem.
If you have the time to waste by prestriping then go ahead.
>as for wear and tear... what's worse: constantly rewinding to the tail
>end of the previously shot clip every time your camcorder happens to
>power off, or going through and striping the entire tape once?
if your camera has the Edit review feature then all you need to do is
rewind if a few frames. Hardly the same wear as a complete record
cycle
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:00:04 -0500
From: Kevin Dunn
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: external mike + in-cam mike?
Message-ID:
>Hi,
>
>Regarding VX 1000 and 2000, is there any trick to have one mike on one track
>and the built-in mike on the other? I'm 99% sure it's not possible in any
>way, just want to check.
Not possible but the Sony DSR PD150 has that feature.
--
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:03:18 -0700
From: "Brent Wiscombe"
To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <002801c0a1eb$69853d20$b7cf0118@mesa1.az.home.com>
You should also realize that even if the tape is pre-striped, that it will
not make absolutely sure that batch capture will work. The reason why is
that the tape can run differently through the camera while striping the
tape than when it is being recorded. The time codes will not always match
the exact same perfect spot on the tape. For example, you pre-stripe a
tape, the time code is recorded to the tape throughout its entire length.
Now you rewind the tape and start recording various 5 minute events. You
may either pause or turn-off the camera between recording events, maybe
even rewind to review a couple of times. By the time the tape has come to
the end, the time code that was put on it during the initial striping well
not match the exact position of the newly recorded material due to tape
stretch, slack, and running tension. The pre-stripe time code may be ahead
of, or behind, the newly recorded time code by one or more frames. If you
were batch capturing, this change in time code could cause batch capture to
terminate. The new recording is not going to match the exact frame position
as the pre-stripe on the exact same linear length position on the tape. It
could not ever do this due to tape swell, stretch, tightness on the spools,
etc.
I've learned my lesson and don't pre-stripe anymore. I don't want to put
anymore wear-n-tear on my equipment than absolutely necessary. I just make
sure to leave extra time at the end of each recorded event so that I can
backup a couple of seconds to re-start recording and the camera will start
recording using the time code at that position on the tape. This makes sure
there are no lapses in time code, either blank time code or out-of-sync
time code to mess-up batch capture.
Brent Wiscombe
bwiscombe@msn.com
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:13:46 +1000
From: "Eric S."
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: We love you Sheila !
Message-ID:
Hang in there Sheila.
>
>and since no one was standing up for me I stood up for myself.
>
>Since this feels like an 'ol boys club' with extreme
>bias i am about to attempt to block the dv-l email.
>
There's NO gender or minority or racial issues going on here, just a couple or rude individuals who think the world has to know their thoughts.
Hell, I even talk to _Americans_ via this List !
( Haven't yet been able to consider Pommies worth the effort yet, but I'm weakening on Kiwis, so there's real progress being made here ).
As for the 'ol boys club' there are a few out there who used to do video with smoke signals, but since we shipped one off to Maui they all quietened down and ate their bran flakes:^)
eric from oz
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:18:45 -0800
From: Jim Feeley
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SV: Shotgun for PD 150
Message-ID:
I like the 66 in some situations, but also try out the ME-64 capsule=20
with the K6 module. Less directional than the 66, and more natural=20
sounding if you want to grab off-axis audio. I have both and prefer=20
the 64 for on camera use. But then, I'm not a fan of on camera mic=20
use.
More info on the K6 system here:
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/pages/products/index.htm
You mention the 416 in another post. So that gets me thinking that=20
maybe you ought to rent some of these mics and see if you like their=20
sound at all. That might save you some frustration in the long run.
Jim
At 6:51 PM +0100 2/27/2001, LRTV wrote:
>I would definately check out the ME-66. Probably the best bang for the buck=
=2E
>
>Check out www.lrtv.se/PD150lrtvprokit.htm
>
>It's in swedish, but you get picture...
>
>Max
>Lrtv Sweden
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Fr=E5n: NewsmanSGW@aol.com [mailto:NewsmanSGW@aol.com]
>Skickat: den 27 februari 2001 17:27
>Till: dv-l@dvcentral.org
>=C4mne: Shotgun for PD 150
>
>
>Is anybody using a Sennheiser ME 66 or ME-64 as a replacement for the
>shotgun
>that comes with the PD-150? When encased in the plastic mesh blimb that
>fits
>them, I'm worried the 66 might be too long, the 64 not senstive enough to
>get
>better sound.
>
>Is there another solution I haven't thought of here?
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:58:49 -0800
From: Don Alexander
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: lousy VHS dubs from DV
Message-ID: <3A9DACD9.2FD1@worldnet.att.net>
Mike,
How would you compare the dub quality between an "in-deck" dub and
passing through the analog I/O system?
Regards, Don
> There's a hack with that deck; you can use the menus to route the DV
> output to one of its analog outs, and the VHS input from its analog
> ins. Then you run short analog cables from output to input.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:24:56 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FCD8@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Richard:
Fair enough. Let's see if I can brag less and answer more.
> "Over the air" implies "Over the air". Ordinary NTSC implies ordinary
> NTSC. This and a videophone are mutually exclusive?
While I suppose videophone could use microwave or satellite links,
when I said over-the-air I guess I was trying to distinguish a system
with point to point transmitting and receiving equipment from one that
uses land lines for at least part of the hop. In our system, there's
no need for telephones, although we could use them like Regis does on
the Millionaire show. When I said NTSC, I was referring, perhaps
incorrectly, to the kind of signals transmitted by terrestrial,
commercial broadcast stations. (As opposed to 8VSB or COFDM.) Maybe
that wasn't a good choice of terms, but I was trying to make the point
that it was transmitted over the air rather than over landlines.
> Does this have anything to do with "art" or the uses we traditionally
> associate with video? {Perspective} I'm not sure how it's relevant...
> It's not "interactive" video in the sense that the viewer interacts with
> the video.
Often, the material that I transmit is intended to be informative or
educational. I prepare programs explaining electronic concepts and
principles, and ones discussing meteorology. I acquire and show footage
at trade shows and conferences, at board meetings and many other events,
and I chase people down for interviews, which I later transmit for our
viewers. Is it art? I'd certainly like to think that I do these things
artistically, although I'm sure some would disagree. Maybe your tastes
are different, and maybe I'm not as good at it as I'd like to be. Is it
interactive? I'm in a room with a TV set, and I'm carrying on an
animated conversation, building programming in real time, while others do
the same many miles away. I'm interacting with video and sound coming
from a TV set. Is this interactive video? It sure sounds like it to me.
Far more so than the case in which the video with which I'm interacting
is simply selectable or pre-programmed.
>Actually, my real question went something like "So... where in here
>do you answer my question?" Which, I should probably rephrase to
>does this system have a name? A purpose? To which I might add...
>How does this differ, conceptually, from a videophone and how is this
>specifically "digital"?
Maybe I've given you a better answer this time. At least I've made a
sincere attempt. The name of the system is the AB5IG ATV Repeater.
There are many other such repeater systems around the country, and we're
working on linking them together. The purpose, as with all Ham Radio, is
defined at the beginning of Part 97 of the FCC rules, and includes things
like educating, contributing to both the communications and technical
phases of the art, serving the public in times of emergencies, and even
contributing toward international good will. If you imagine a videophone
where there can be an unlimited number of participants in the
conversation, then the concept might be pretty close, except for the big
difference in quality. And it doesn't have to be specifically digital -
we will allow VHS, Hi-8, or Betacam formats, but I use Mini-DV for the
material I gather and present. Incidentally, we're planning to add a 3rd
channel to our system soon. Instead of analog, this one will be MPEG, so
our transmission methods as well as our acquisition methods will include
digital.
>{{Only thing I can think of is that your local system killed the
>attachments.}}
I think someone answered my question about the footers. Something about
the Dreaded Acronym.
I hope my answers here are plausible and informative. I offer them
sincerely, with no intent to argue. I'm enthusiastic about what I do, as
I'm sure you are.
-Rik.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:30:35 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <01d801c0a1f7$9d604520$6401a8c0@design1>
I can't say that it works for all cameras but my Sony cameras all hold
timecode if powered down. In fact part of the power up process seems to be
backing up a frame or two and syncing the timecode it's only if you remove a
tape or rewind it to review the last scene before shooting the next that it
gets messed up. Since the cameras do not do insert recording as Jan
mentioned striping can't help in fact it may make it worse. Since I started
doing the backup a frame or two process before shooting I have never had a
timecode problem. Try it you'll like it and once it becomes a habit you
won't forget either. Just use the same procedure every time. When I
preflight my airplane I always do it the same way starting at the right side
passenger door, around the airplane in a counter clockwise movement checking
each item along the way, and finishing back at the right side door. It's a
good habit that keeps you from forgetting something important.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "wes chow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: striping tapes
> ah, I see.
> Isn't to "prevent gaps" the reason why people suggest striping? These
> gaps are precisely what screws up batch capture. And if I'm shooting,
> hit pause, and then the camcorder powers off after a few minutes, I may
> very well forget to rewind slightly to pick up the timecode before
> restarting the shoot.
>
> Voila! prestriping eliminates this problem.
>
> as for wear and tear... what's worse: constantly rewinding to the tail
> end of the previously shot clip every time your camcorder happens to
> power off, or going through and striping the entire tape once?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:34:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: striping tapes
Message-ID: <20010301023404.29180.qmail@web4001.mail.yahoo.com>
No.
The only reason for striping a tape is if you're going
to do insert editing onto it. DV is no different from
any other tape format in that regard.
If you're using the tape for original recording, you
are just putting wear on your heads and the tape by
striping it in advance. Continuous time code isn't a
problem unless you remove the tape, record on another
tape, then put the first tape back in. Your camera
will want to keep on recording sequential time code
from where it was when you took out tape 2. All you've
got to do is cue up the first tape to where you had
quit shooting, reset your time code, and thereyago.
--- wes chow
wrote:
>
> I read in various places that you should always
> "stripe" a miniDV tape
> before using it by placing the lense cap on the
> camcorder and hitting
> record for the full length of the tape.
>
> I don't quite understand what this is supposed to
> do... I take it that
> it's supposed to write a nice, completely sequential
> timecode onto the
> tape. Does this mean that successive recordings
> don't put on their own
> timecodes? So, timecodes are only written once onto
> any miniDV tape?
>
>
> Wes
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:14:03 -0600
From: Bill Finch
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Fluid Head for DVCAM
Message-ID: <3A9DCC8B.B4B5039B@ix.netcom.com>
Who has experience using a good fluid head with a PD150? Are there any
good designs balanced for this kind of lightweight camera? I have larger
heads for ARRI cameras but they really look silly with the PD150. The
budget here is not a problem but I don't want to overpay.
Bill
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:39:13 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5?
Message-ID: <3A9D7E11.702.EE90634@localhost>
On 27 Feb 2001, at 19:16, Fogar wrote:
> I'd like to have many audio tracks and to mix some musics and sound effects
> for my videos.
> I'd like know if is better Cakewalk Pro audio 9 or Soundforge 5 software.
> Is Cakewalk Pro audio 9 easier to use than Soundforge?
Not exactly the same thing... Soundforge is for working with wave type
files... samples and so forth. And Cakewalk is more oriented to midi,
sequencing and writing music {though you can sequence samples with it}.
{Sort of an aural bitmap and vector thingy. :}}
> Or is it easier another program?
For my money... Acid is the easiest thing on the planet. You can probably
write your first song in just a few hours. It's mostly for that loopy, dancy
sort of thing but you could feasibly do rock or jazz with it. If you just
want to do quick sound-tracks... It's only $50.oo or so.
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:06:52 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <3A9D848C.26145.F02566D@localhost>
On 28 Feb 2001, at 14:21, Rik Albury wrote:
> How's that for interactivity? - and remember, it's all at better
> than broadcast quality - not the tiny, jerky pictures you get on
> the internet.
MPG2 distributed over the net can be just the same if not better quality.
You just can't stream it yet and a movie weighs 4-5 gigs. :}
You can get pretty decent quality with Sorenson Quicktime or lightly
compressed Real though. I've seen lots of places that have managed to
encode stuff at around 320x240 that streams fairly well.
It's not broadcast but it is damned good considering how young the tech
is and the parameters you've got to work within.
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:21:10 +0800
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Sony Switcher
New Files Available on Adobe.com
SonySwitcher: SonySwitcher allows you to switch between the Sony and
Microsoft class drivers on your Sony VAIO. Switching to the Microsoft class
drivers allows you to capture within Premiere and output to video directly
from the Timeline. For more information or to download SonySwitcher, visit
Adobe's Web site at
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/prwin.htm
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 05:33:10
From: "Richard J Cottrell"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: PD-150 wireless mic solution
Message-ID:
Does anybody know of a handy gadget or other solution
for handling a wireless mic
receiver unit when shooting with a Sony PD-150?
Funny.. because i just tried out me solution to just this problem today.
I bought a little shoulder pouch from Target for 10 bucks that is just the
right size for a wireless receiver. It can be worn over the shoulder/
around the beck, or you can put it on your belt.
I cut slashes in the top so the antennas can poke through [i even sowed some
velcro onto these slashes so i can make a tight fit -- but this is not
really needed, just a single cut in the top flap will work fine]
Then i cut a hole in the bottom just big enough for an XLR to poke through.
I used a 3 footer, and am able to shoot from the hip, or put the camera over
my head just fine..
SO when i shoot handheld i wear the receiver, but i put some velcro cable
holders on the side of it so i can slap it on my field mixer if i have a
sound person with me.
And i your on sticks you can hang the pouch from your tripod.
The only problems i see with this set up it:
1) Operating the camera with the extra cable coming off the camera [but this
did not bother me... yet]
2) But the real problem might be, in wearing the receiver around my neck it
is lower then if it were on the side of the camera, and from what i
understand about wireless, its a line of sight game.
so higher is better.
But for a ten dollar pouch, its work throwing into your kit right?
rich cottrell
Philadelphia, PA
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Date: (Inget eller ogiltigt datum.)
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LEIF_RE=C9S?="
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: X-rays, no risk of damaged videotapes
Message-ID:
No risk of damaged videotapes by X-ray, Roentgen radiation.
The X-rays is photons just like light, but at another wavelenght
and energy level.
The energy is in the span of 40-120 keV, kilo electron Volts and
the accelerated photons can in no way harm the magnetic,
recorded material.
I did som test with a DV tape and put it in MRI machine,
at a Magnetic Radio Interference lab.
The supra conducting magnet is very strong and could easy
erase a credit card just by walking in the room.
But the DV tape was not erased, even if I put it right in the
magnetic focus.
Doing the samt thing with a VHS (Iron oxide) casette erased
the material to a level of -90%, the material was visible but
not usebel.
Consensus: X-rays does not harm videotape recordings.
Very strong magnetic fields can erase oxide tapes, but
metal EM tapes like DV/DVCAM is nearly impossible to
erase, even in a magnetic laboratorium.
With best regards Leif Re=E9s
leif.konsult@swipnet.se
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