DV-L Sat, 3 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 783
In this issue:
RE: DV Camera Mount
RE: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Re: Re: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
Re: Re: Open heart ROM surgery. By Dr. DV-L.
Re: Re: DV software codecs
RE: PAL to NTSC - Canopus DV converter
SV: Fluid Head for DVCAM
Re: Got my 733mhz G4
Re: We love you Sheila !
NOTAC: Flames result in unsubscriptions.
Re: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
Re: Re: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
RE: DV Camera Mount
Re: DV software codecs
Re: I need website hosting
Re: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
Re: I need website hosting
Re: I need website hosting
Re: What the????
Re: I need website hosting
Low Cost DV Editor for PC Like iMovie (I forget the thread...)
Re: convert QT to mpg
Re: Open heart ROM surgery. By Dr. DV-L.
Re: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
RE: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
OT: Adobe customer service
FYI: New Sun Workstation ($1,000?)
Re: OT: Adobe customer service
please remove from list
ViXen and Premiere 6
Re: OT: Adobe customer service UPDATE
Re: XL1, checking recorded hours
Re: XL1, checking recorded hours
Re: Austin seminar confirmation
New VariZoom Pan-Tilt Head and LCD Monitors
my pc ignorance is showing
South by SouthWest
Re: OT: Adobe customer service
Re: OT: Adobe customer service UPDATE
XL1 LP mode weirdness
Re: XL1 LP mode weirdness
Re: PAL to NTSC
Re: my pc ignorance is showing
analog to firewire converters
THE PRICE RTFM 299.00 3.1 AND 4.1 PROD TO 5.0 PROD Re: Adobe
After Effects 5.0
Re: analog to firewire converters
Re: analog to firewire converters
Re: analog to firewire converters
Re: analog to firewire converters
Re: Low Cost DV Editor for PC Like iMovie (I forget the thread...)
Re: XL1 LP mode weirdness
Re: my pc ignorance is showing
Trinity and Play?
Re: dv quality
RE: Trinity and Play?
RE: my pc ignorance is showing
RE: my pc ignorance is showing
RE: Best performance out of PCI IDE card
firewire and Y/C bi-directional transcoders -a list
Re: my pc ignorance is showing
Re: My Rat Shack rant
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:03:33 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: DV Camera Mount
Message-ID:
Could be from Elite Video www.elitevideo.com but I am not sure if they
still sell it.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....At the VideoMaker Expo in Burbank in January I saw a black metal
mount
for a camera (it had a VX-1000) that had room for a wireless transmitter
or XLR adapter and a offset mount for a microphone.
Does anyone know the source? I believe it was in a booth with audio
products.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:03:40 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
Message-ID:
Sound Forge 5 is available for only $99.00 downloaded from
www.sonicfoundry.com
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....For EDITING I believe you can't go wrong with Sound Forge. It is
the
industry standard audio editor. It's pretty easy to use, and much more
powerful than Cool Edit... but more expensive too. For editing there
is
no other choice IMHO.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:31:21 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Radio Rant (Was: Listening to Bach is hardly passive)
Message-ID: <3A9F1409.17003.5D3A7A5@localhost>
On 1 Mar 2001, at 19:29, Rik Albury wrote:
> Richard:
>
> >...emergency medical system or something...
>
> We have started to work with the Red Cross, and of course Hams have
> worked with hospitals and Civil Defense folk for decades.
Sounds really appropriate to the technology.
> > But you're interacting with folk on the other end of the signal, no?
>
> Yes, but only through the live (and/or produced) video and audio
> they're sending me. I'm often the only human being in the room. The
> other side of the conversation is a TV set.
Ok... :} I guess you can call it interactive if you want to.
> > What if you were to set up your stuff along the lines of an expert
> system?
>
> I guess there's no reason why this could not be done, but so far,
> we've kept busy with less formidable challenges. Sounds like we need
> to get _you_ involved!
I was thinking more in terms of net stuff. Though, if you could set up a
way to give the user some sort of input {web-tv?} It sounds like it might be
really appropriate to things like medical, fixing the car, etc...
As to my getting involved... I'd love to. I don't think I could ever
justify the time though.
> > What if you were to set up a largeish base of informational snippets and
> > use the idea above to specifically tailor a lesson plan or to demonstrate
> > an idea?
>
> Education and other such free service is among the primary reasons Hams
> get to use serious gobs of spectrum. Because I do these things, I get to
> operate a TV station, just like the local broadcast channels, but without the
> investment or oversight. And of course, with a much smaller audience.
> (Anyone could watch who wanted to. An antenna and down-converter, which plug
> in to your ordinary TV set, can be had for about $65. I have no involvement
> in this area. I sometimes have unlicensed viewers call me on the phone while
> I'm transmitting. More interactivity!)
How many hours a day do you broadcast? Do you do stuff like concerts, etc?
> > Why is this radio? This is a "pirate" thing?
>
> Absolutely not! This is all completely legal and licensed. In fact, most of
> us get pretty stuffy about obeying the rules. You'll seldom hear a "damn" or
> "hell". In that regard, it's really pretty boring.
:} I don't think one needs to say dirty words in order to be a pirate... I
guess I was just wondering at the content and what the attitude was.
It's not any "power to the people... let's overthrow channel 6" thing, in
other words.
> You mentioned the SMU site. Their Engineering department had a Ham Radio
> club, and we have presented programs at their meetings. Their web site has a
> link to ours.
>
> > I can imagine that mainstream folk aren't all
> > that happy about you folk though.
>
> On the contrary, three of the local broadcasters provide us feeds from
> their radar. They welcome our input and respect our judgment in
> emergency situations - particularly those involving weather.
Given the "competitive nature" of this industry... that surprises me.
Impresses me a bit too.
> > What I don't get is "why?" or what you plan to do with it...
> > I mean... folk aren't buying commercials on your network are
> > they?
>
> I'm afraid this may be the hardest question to answer. You see, we are
> prevented by the FCC rules from having any pecuniary interest. We may
> not do anything of a commercial nature. You may have a hard time
> accepting this, but the simple truth is we do it because it's fun. And
Seems like an awful lot of work and responsibility, to me, to be merely for
fun.
> here I sit with a JVC DV500, a Sony TRV900, (sold my XL-1), and I'm soon
> going to drop about $20K on a Targa 3000. And I haven't even mentioned the
> radio gear.
:} Kick-backs from the Red Cross?
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:08:34 +0800
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Re: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
Walt,
What is the bios of your P2B-D?
Thanks
DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>I suspect that you need to upgrade the BIOS. I had the same problem with my
>ASUS P2B-D motherboard. I downloaded the BIOS file from the ASUS web site
>and then flashed it according to the directions and everything worked fine.
>In my case I had to use the latest beta BIOS because the latest released
>version didn't support the 75 gig drive but the 60 gig was OK. Be sure to
>have the computer on a UPS system so there is no chance of a power glitch
>while flashing the BIOS. If that process is interrupted you will have to
>order a new flash rom chip or have someone program it for you using a prom
>programmer.
>
>Walt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph M. Fink"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:51 PM
>Subject: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
>
>
>> The Premiere 6.0 UG and the new IBM 75 Gb HD showed up today. I installed
>> the HD and booted into the setup routine making the necessary entry. Ever
>> since, the machine freezes when it tries to initialize the larger drive,
>> unless I revert back on the setup entry. It didn't have any problem with
>> the previously installed IBM 45 Gb HD, so I didn't think I would have to
>> worry about a potential 32 Gb BIOS problem. This machine has an Award
>4.51
>> PG BIOS. The motherboard is a ASUStek P2B-F with a 450 P-III and 256
>Megs.
>> of memory. Has anyone already solved this problem?
>>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:14:02 +0800
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Re: Re: Open heart ROM surgery. By Dr. DV-L.
Sessh,
And i thought this guy was only a list police.
Dexter
DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>At 07:46 PM 3/1/01 -0500, Walt wrote:
>
>>The man has no fear. Plugging chips into a hot system definitely requires
>>steady hands and nerves of steel.
>
>Oh, no. All it requires is that you download the wrong BIOS, or mix up your
>disks and use the wrong flash program. Bang, you've got one very bad ROM.
>
>BS
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:23:29 +0800
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Re: Re: DV software codecs
Walt,
So now I ask what then happens with the Real Time Stuff? Be it the DV500, RT2000, or DVStorm, does this also encounter some form of loss. Once we place those real time filters and effect stuff but still work within their "REAL TIME" parameters do we actually loss any quality?
So I guess bottom line here is the CODEC (lossy vs prim?) and how REAL TIME can you get?
REAL confused
Dexter
DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>Every time you go through a decode image, modify with a filter, and then
>encode function you will pickup some loss through the DV codec. There's no
>way to prevent that in a lossy codec. Applying a filter to the original clip
>then saving it is fine but instead of filtering the new clip go back to the
>original and further modify it. Now you have only one decode/encode pass
>through the codec regardless of how many times you change your mind. The
>only way to prevent the generational loss is to edit on a lossless system.
>Then you only encounter the losses on the original decode and the final
>encode when you go back to tape.
>
>Walt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dexter Andrada"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:29 PM
>Subject: DV software codecs
>
>
>> DV gurus,
>>
>> I have a question with DV codecs. Is it possible to have artifacts develop
>in your video. If everything was digital?
>>
>> Shoot DV edit DV then, hold that thought, dub to tape and show to clients
>and thereafter update their corrections.
>>
>> What I usually do is render certin clips that has a lot of filters or
>needs extra rendering. This style has made editing a tad faster. (coffee
>breaks are now dedicated to rendering clips). So with this approach I can
>now work with the rendered video perform some more editing. And when all is
>done, render the whole thing and export to tape.
>>
>> Basically the scenario is like this: I have a orginal clip, put effects
>etc. render it into one file (file A). Now include file A in the whole
>project and continue on editing. After several edits I decided to render
>file A with is new filters etc, into a new file (file B). So on and so
>forth.
>>
>> It is like saying that I photocopy the original and use the photocopy now
>as the original and repeat this procedure for the next couple of
>photocopies. With this it would be unreadable.
>>
>> But with DV what happens? Does the 0s and the 1s get all murky that
>artifacts squiggle around the video.
>>
>> I saw this happen to me once.
>>
>>
>> I need some enlightenment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dexter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>>
>> >There was an adobe employee which mentioned it here a few weeks ago but
>the
>> >best I could find today on their recently updated web site was the
>upgrade
>> >from Premiere or the LE version for $149. Find an old copy that can be
>> >registered and then buy the upgrade. Maybe the one who mentioned a
>> >competitive upgrade earlier can also reply. The other choice is to buy a
>> >DVRaptor with Premiere and get a free upgrade to 6 plus a great PC
>> >interface. I bought my last one from B&H for $399. That's less than the
>full
>> >price for Premiere alone.
>> >
>> >Walt
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Kevin Marks"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:24 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Windows advice
>> >
>> >
>> >> At 1:58 pm -0500 1/3/01, Walt wrote:
>> >> >Premiere 6 now supports OHCI compatible IEEE-1394 boards and there is
>a
>> >> >competitive upgrade offer from Adobe.
>> >>
>> >> Got a link for that? All I see is a $549 pricetag, or an upgrade from
>> >> older premieres for $149
>> >>
>> >> For $549 he's most of the way to a dedicated iMac for editing.
>> >>
>> >
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:34:16 +0800
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: RE: PAL to NTSC - Canopus DV converter
I would look forward to that one. And maybe by the time you have it up and running Canopus would change face and allow other DV Avis to be used.
Infact if they did this of the time line of Premiere as a Plug-in it would sell better. Of course lowering the price would also help.
DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>Dexter asked:
>
>> And it works only with the Canopus DV codec AVI files. David can your
>> software break this codec restriction?
>
>Not yet. The Canopus software checks for something other than
>the identifier in the avi file structure. I suspect it has something to
>do with the precise chunk sizes in the avi file. they vary from codec
>to codec because the RIFF specification is a bit loose. I can parse
>the files easily with DV Converter, but I don't yet know what the
>Canopus software is looking for. One thing I do know is that you do
>not have to have the Canopus codec installed for the transcoding
>program to work.
>
>Cheers
>(still working on it)
>David Mowbray
>Baobab Productions Inc
>Ottawa, Canada
>http://www.baobab.net
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:27:57 +0100
From: =?us-ascii?Q?Bengt_Sjolund_Tecno_Consult?=
To:
Subject: SV: Fluid Head for DVCAM
Message-ID:
I?m also using GITZO with my VX1000
Excellent head movement.
Bengt
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fran: Bill [mailto:billgone@yahoo.com]
Skickat: den 1 mars 2001 16:58
Till: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Amne: Re: Fluid Head for DVCAM
I'm using a Gitzo for a DSR250. Carbon fiber legs.
Excellent head movement. It cost about $1600 from B&H.
It's available to handle a variety of weights, down to
about what the 150 weighs.
--- Bill Finch wrote:
> Who has experience using a good fluid head with a
> PD150? Are there any
> good designs balanced for this kind of lightweight
> camera? I have larger
> heads for ARRI cameras but they really look silly
> with the PD150. The
> budget here is not a problem but I don't want to
> overpay.
>
> Bill
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:12:15 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Got my 733mhz G4
Message-ID:
On 3/1/01 3:40 PM, John.Mortensen got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Just received my 733mhz G4 system with the DVD authoring app...
>
> Totally hot system! Photoshop launches soooo fast!
>
> DVD authoring is very cool! It will make me a lot of $!
Wow. You mean no DVD coasters or burnt-out power switches?? Sheesh... almost
makes me wanna buy a new Mac. But I'll wait a bit longer for the dual-G4
upgrade cards to come down in price. Maybe I'll wait for the G5 before I
actually buy a new box.
But please keep us informed of your success -- or lack thereof -- with that
new system.
Thanx.
Keith
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:14:00 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: We love you Sheila !
Message-ID:
On 3/1/01 5:55 PM, Kevin Marks got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> (technically I'm a Pom,...)
You mean you're a pomeranian?
Keith
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:45:40 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: NOTAC: Flames result in unsubscriptions.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010302123422.02bd5430@mail.dvcentral.org>
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Most of these unsubscribed themselves. This is a sad, but common
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:41:32 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
Message-ID: <003501c0a321$79e25c20$6401a8c0@design1>
That's only for the upgrade version from a previous version of SF.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:03 AM
Subject: RE: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
> Sound Forge 5 is available for only $99.00 downloaded from
> www.sonicfoundry.com
>
> Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
> Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> .....For EDITING I believe you can't go wrong with Sound Forge. It is
> the
> industry standard audio editor. It's pretty easy to use, and much more
> powerful than Cool Edit... but more expensive too. For editing there
> is
> no other choice IMHO.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:42:52 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Re: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
Message-ID: <003601c0a321$7a1dde80$6401a8c0@design1>
I'm using 2.13 beta 7 in two different machines and haven't had any problems
with either.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: Re: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
> Walt,
>
> What is the bios of your P2B-D?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>
> >I suspect that you need to upgrade the BIOS. I had the same problem with
my
> >ASUS P2B-D motherboard. I downloaded the BIOS file from the ASUS web site
> >and then flashed it according to the directions and everything worked
fine.
> >In my case I had to use the latest beta BIOS because the latest released
> >version didn't support the 75 gig drive but the 60 gig was OK. Be sure to
> >have the computer on a UPS system so there is no chance of a power glitch
> >while flashing the BIOS. If that process is interrupted you will have to
> >order a new flash rom chip or have someone program it for you using a
prom
> >programmer.
> >
> >Walt
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joseph M. Fink"
> >To:
> >Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:51 PM
> >Subject: IBM DTLA-307075 & Award BIOS 4.5 = Crash!
> >
> >
> >> The Premiere 6.0 UG and the new IBM 75 Gb HD showed up today. I
installed
> >> the HD and booted into the setup routine making the necessary entry.
Ever
> >> since, the machine freezes when it tries to initialize the larger
drive,
> >> unless I revert back on the setup entry. It didn't have any problem
with
> >> the previously installed IBM 45 Gb HD, so I didn't think I would have
to
> >> worry about a potential 32 Gb BIOS problem. This machine has an Award
> >4.51
> >> PG BIOS. The motherboard is a ASUStek P2B-F with a 450 P-III and 256
> >Megs.
> >> of memory. Has anyone already solved this problem?
> >>
> >
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:13:21 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: DV Camera Mount
Message-ID:
Didn't see it, but it reminds me of the unit (Ultimate Rover?) at
http://www.videosmith.com/.
-Christopher
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael W. Clayton [mailto:mwclayton@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:48 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: DV Camera Mount
>
>
> At the VideoMaker Expo in Burbank in January I saw a black metal mount
> for a camera (it had a VX-1000) that had room for a wireless transmitter
> or XLR adapter and a offset mount for a microphone.
>
> Does anyone know the source? I believe it was in a booth with
> audio products.
>
> Thanks-
> Mike
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:16:39 -0500
From: "Walt"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: DV software codecs
Message-ID: <006501c0a323$72718900$6401a8c0@design1>
Any time you modify the video and go back through the DV codec, whether it's
real-time or not, there is some loss. It's not a problem unless you make a
new clip out of your modified original and then use that clip and further
modify it and create yet another new clip which you modify and so on. At
some point in time the artifacts will begin to show up. The harder the clip
is to compress to quicker it will show up. A hard to compress scene would be
something with lots of detail. Large areas of solid colors are easy to
compress. In the case of the RT2000 or the DTV no compression takes place
until you go back to disk or tape so real-time transitions viewed at the
analog outputs have no further compression only those that require
rendering. When the Max option comes out for the DTV the compression will
occur in real-time too but it will be the same amount of loss regardless of
whether it happens in real-time or not. The losses we're talking about here
are for the most part very small and you'll only see them when doing a frame
by frame comparison or there have been multiple generations. The important
thing to remember is that to maintain the best quality and minimum losses do
all of the modifications to a clip at one time even if that means software
rendering versus hardware real-time compression. In most cases where there
are lots of filters applied or lots of layers used the scene is relatively
short so the render time won't be that bad anyway.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dexter Andrada"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re: DV software codecs
> Walt,
>
> So now I ask what then happens with the Real Time Stuff? Be it the DV500,
RT2000, or DVStorm, does this also encounter some form of loss. Once we
place those real time filters and effect stuff but still work within their
"REAL TIME" parameters do we actually loss any quality?
>
> So I guess bottom line here is the CODEC (lossy vs prim?) and how REAL
TIME can you get?
>
>
> REAL confused
>
>
>
> Dexter
>
>
>
>
>
> DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>
> >Every time you go through a decode image, modify with a filter, and then
> >encode function you will pickup some loss through the DV codec. There's
no
> >way to prevent that in a lossy codec. Applying a filter to the original
clip
> >then saving it is fine but instead of filtering the new clip go back to
the
> >original and further modify it. Now you have only one decode/encode pass
> >through the codec regardless of how many times you change your mind. The
> >only way to prevent the generational loss is to edit on a lossless
system.
> >Then you only encounter the losses on the original decode and the final
> >encode when you go back to tape.
> >
> >Walt
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dexter Andrada"
> >To:
> >Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:29 PM
> >Subject: DV software codecs
> >
> >
> >> DV gurus,
> >>
> >> I have a question with DV codecs. Is it possible to have artifacts
develop
> >in your video. If everything was digital?
> >>
> >> Shoot DV edit DV then, hold that thought, dub to tape and show to
clients
> >and thereafter update their corrections.
> >>
> >> What I usually do is render certin clips that has a lot of filters or
> >needs extra rendering. This style has made editing a tad faster. (coffee
> >breaks are now dedicated to rendering clips). So with this approach I can
> >now work with the rendered video perform some more editing. And when all
is
> >done, render the whole thing and export to tape.
> >>
> >> Basically the scenario is like this: I have a orginal clip, put effects
> >etc. render it into one file (file A). Now include file A in the whole
> >project and continue on editing. After several edits I decided to render
> >file A with is new filters etc, into a new file (file B). So on and so
> >forth.
> >>
> >> It is like saying that I photocopy the original and use the photocopy
now
> >as the original and repeat this procedure for the next couple of
> >photocopies. With this it would be unreadable.
> >>
> >> But with DV what happens? Does the 0s and the 1s get all murky that
> >artifacts squiggle around the video.
> >>
> >> I saw this happen to me once.
> >>
> >>
> >> I need some enlightenment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dexter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
> >>
> >> >There was an adobe employee which mentioned it here a few weeks ago
but
> >the
> >> >best I could find today on their recently updated web site was the
> >upgrade
> >> >from Premiere or the LE version for $149. Find an old copy that can be
> >> >registered and then buy the upgrade. Maybe the one who mentioned a
> >> >competitive upgrade earlier can also reply. The other choice is to buy
a
> >> >DVRaptor with Premiere and get a free upgrade to 6 plus a great PC
> >> >interface. I bought my last one from B&H for $399. That's less than
the
> >full
> >> >price for Premiere alone.
> >> >
> >> >Walt
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Kevin Marks"
> >> >To:
> >> >Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:24 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Windows advice
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> At 1:58 pm -0500 1/3/01, Walt wrote:
> >> >> >Premiere 6 now supports OHCI compatible IEEE-1394 boards and there
is
> >a
> >> >> >competitive upgrade offer from Adobe.
> >> >>
> >> >> Got a link for that? All I see is a $549 pricetag, or an upgrade
from
> >> >> older premieres for $149
> >> >>
> >> >> For $549 he's most of the way to a dedicated iMac for editing.
> >> >>
> >> >
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:31:21 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: I need website hosting
Message-ID: <200103020931.AA911671556@mail.xiveren.com>
>Can anyone recommend a company for web hosting. Of course I will need good
>streaming video service.
I use www.interland.com with good results. Plenty of streaming options.
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
--
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:33:44 -0000
From: "Laurence Payne"
To:
Subject: Re: Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab for editing?
Message-ID: <003701c0a325$caa4f6a0$156f883e@henry>
All these will do the (fairly trivial) task of cutting and pasting sound
clips.
Acid is a loop-based music production tool, beloved of 'dance' music
enthusiasts (or whatever the latest style is called). It specialises in
pitch-shifting and stretching short sound files to fit together as a song.
Cool Edit and Wavelab have multi-track 'sound montage' capability. Also a
wide range of sound processing functions.
SoundForge is single-track only. It's got rather left behind the market.
Cool Edit has a good noise-reduction algorithm. SoundForge has a good one
as an expensive add-on. The Steinberg n-r plug in for Wave lab isn't very
good.
If you're thinking in terms of the sort of editing that would have been done
with tape and scissors, try the free version of Cool Edit. You may think
you've died and gone to Heaven!
If you want to investigate further, demo versions of all the others are
available.
Other possibilities:
Samplitude (good, expensive, clunky interface)
Vegas. These are SoundForge with multi-track added and rather less
processing options. They want you to buy SoundForge as well. Together,
you basically end up with a WaveLab equivalent.
> Hi,
> I am undecided among three software to make editing,
> only for editing. Is better and simple Acid or Cool Edit or Wavelab?
>
> Thanks Fogar
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:02:49 -0000
From: "taylor rusk"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I need website hosting
Message-ID:
i have yet to find a hosting company that offered great streaming services for more than a few videos. i use web2010.com for my site hosting. they have excellent tech support, pricing and features. for my streaming host i use playstream.com. they have excellent packages and it's very easy to configure. they'll even give you a free 15 day account to try it. good luck.
peter
www.bigq.com
>From: "Sheila House"
>Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: I need website hosting
>Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:54:13
>
>Can anyone recommend a company for web hosting. Of course I will
>need good
>streaming video service. Another thing, currently people who are
>Mac users
>cann't open my movie files after down loading them because Windows
>has
>encoded something. What's up with that???? and how do I get rid of
>it????
>thanks
>www.mhproduction.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:22:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I need website hosting
Message-ID: <200103021522.JAA22450@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Can anyone recommend a company for web hosting. Of course I will need good
>streaming video service. Another thing, currently people who are Mac users
>cann't open my movie files after down loading them because Windows has
>encoded something. What's up with that???? and how do I get rid of it????
I can't help you with the web hosting and we can't help you with the
movie problem either, because we are not mind readers and have no idea
what you have done.
You MUST provide info as to what format the files are in and what audio
and video codecs were used.
It is very easy to create files that Mac users can't play, and vice-versa.
DETAILS, we need DETAILS.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:43:23 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: What the????
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:05:15 -0800
From: Eric Bin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I need website hosting
Message-ID: <3A9F462B.35662922@telus.net>
Sheila House wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a company for web hosting. Of course I will need good
> streaming video service. Another thing, currently people who are Mac users
> cann't open my movie files after down loading them because Windows has
> encoded something. What's up with that???? and how do I get rid of it????
> thanks
Sheila (and others who find themselves asking the same questions),
May I suggest the company I work for, BOPJET Media Inc? We offer web
hosting starting from $20/month and QuickTime streaming from $50/month.
We're QuickTime specialists (that's my department) so we can help you
get your content online quickly and at the best possible quality. Our
client list includes Bryan Adams, MacShowLive, Chicago Film Festival and
the Government of Sweden. Our website is: www.bopjet.net
As for your second set of questions - could you drop me an email at my
work account (ebin@bopjet.net) with specifics such as what it was
encoded on, what type of files etc? Or give me a call (1-866-2-BOPJET
or 1-604-682-3297) - I'll be in from 9-2pm (PST) tommorow (Friday).
cheers,
--
Eric Bin - session@supafamous.com - http://www.supafamous.com
Will work for Titanium Powerbook G4 (or G4 w/SuperDrive)
"You must first believe in yourself. Others will follow."
RIP Dale Earnhardt - We'll miss you.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:35:32 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Low Cost DV Editor for PC Like iMovie (I forget the thread...)
Message-ID:
I think someone previously asked about a low-cost PC DV editor, something
like iMovie. If you're still looking, I just remembered that DigitalOrigin
used to make a product called IntroDV. More info at:
http://digitalorigin.media100.com/products/introdv/default.html
-Christopher
____________________________
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http://www.freesport-tv.com/
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:35:13 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: convert QT to mpg
Message-ID:
At 7:55 am -0800 1/3/01, Robert Smith wrote:
>I am using Final Cut Pro which only exports QuickTime movies. I need to
>convert these QTs into mpg in order to use the movies in Power Point. Any
>help?
>
http://www.apple.com/dvdstudiopro/
DVD Studio Pro includes a software MPEG encoder that will work in any
QuickTime-savvy video editor, such as Final Cut Pro. The encoder
supports both PAL and NTSC formats and 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:01:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan Newcombe
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Open heart ROM surgery. By Dr. DV-L.
Message-ID:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> There is, however, an emergency routine for dire cases, and they involve a
> second motherboard of the same manufacturer, preferably the same as the
> first one. The procedure is not for the faint of heart, and it requires a
> large degree of manual dexterity and guts (kids, definitely don't try it at
> home, try it at school ..):
Been there, done that, saved my butt! Couple other things. A chip puller
definatly helps a LOT. Also, you don't really have to have the chip
firmly inserted into the socket, just enough that all the pins make a good
enough contact. When I did this, I went ahead and pulled the good bios
chip, and then seated it just enough into the socket for the system to
boot.
I was fortunate my office-mate and I had bought the same motherboard, and
that he lived 1/4 mile away!
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:26:08 -0800
From: Bob England
To:
Subject: Re: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
Message-ID:
> We did a similar program here last night, LA Orange County, called DV to HD,
> were we spent the evening talking about the ATSC charts and what all of this
> stuff meant. Then invited folks to pass tapes up to have it play in the
> machine. It was a very cool thing.
Jan,
Any more of these demos taking place in the LA area? If not, guess I'll have
to wait til NAB!
Thanks,
Bob England
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:56:37 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D79B@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Hi Bob,
Actually we are hosting the LA County ITVA on the 13th of March and doing
the same thing. If you want more details, contact me off line. The one
difference you would find in coming here for the presentation, in contrast
to the experience at NAB is that you would also have a presentation that
would explain all of the digital formats and how they fit in to the ATSC
chart, done by yours truly. Then a playback of the DV, DVCPRO, DVCPRO
Progressive and a 720P and 1080i. Should be very cool.
Best regards,
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob England [mailto:bigwoolydog@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:26 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Was RE: DV-SP, now Pana HD100 play mini DV 25mbps.
>
>
> > We did a similar program here last night, LA Orange County,
> called DV to HD,
> > were we spent the evening talking about the ATSC charts and
> what all of this
> > stuff meant. Then invited folks to pass tapes up to have
> it play in the
> > machine. It was a very cool thing.
>
>
> Jan,
>
> Any more of these demos taking place in the LA area? If not,
> guess I'll have
> to wait til NAB!
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bob England
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:02:57 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: OT: Adobe customer service
Message-ID:
Hey, I'm not one to complain, but I did today to Adobe customer service and I
thought you guys/gals might be interested in how they resolve my issue.
Please note , I'm not making any negative judgements at this time. I've had
good service and support from Adobe in the past and I expect they'll do the
right thing in this case, too.
I do want you to be aware that complications may present themselves from
"pre-ordering" software.
I "preordered" Premiere 6.0 upgrade as soon as I got Adobe's direct email
solicitation for the product in late December. I took them up on the Prem 6
plus AE 4.1 offer for $599.
Now 2 months later,AE 5.0 is bundled w/6.0 for the same $599 and I'm offered
a 5.0 upgrade for $199.00.
My point is that I was solicitated directly to buy early and now I am being
penalized for it.
I called Adobe Store and they initially said "regrettably" I'm past the 30
day policy for adjustments, but the supervisor did see that there were issues
because the timing of my purchase was prompted by direct Adobe solicitation.
She has referred this to "executive" level and promised me a call back in a
day or two.
I'm interested whether they will do the right thing, and I'm expecting that
they will. I like their product line and want to stay with them.
I don't know whether it's wise tactically to post this, but it's an issue
that I felt others would have interest in and a pitfall I wanted to make
people aware of.
adr
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:12:37 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: FYI: New Sun Workstation ($1,000?)
Message-ID:
FYI, check out
http://siggraphnews.digitalmedianet.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2001/02_
feb/news/sun_ei.htm for a PR about a new Sun workstation. 64-bit with DV
ports with the base unit for around $1K-- now does anyone know if there's
any editing software for Solaris 8?
-Christopher
____________________________
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http://www.freesport-tv.com/
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:12:51
From: "Howard Spivack"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Adobe customer service
Message-ID:
Funny, I had the exact same question today for them. I got my 'package' on
Feb 8th and they assured me that if I pay the cost of shipping (~$10) that I
would recieve the AE 5.0. Not sure if that means I made the 30 day mark,
but stick to your guns...
Geo the Giant Killer
>From: ADReiff@aol.com
>Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: OT: Adobe customer service
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:02:57 EST
>
>
>Hey, I'm not one to complain, but I did today to Adobe customer service and
>I
>thought you guys/gals might be interested in how they resolve my issue.
>
>Please note , I'm not making any negative judgements at this time. I've
>had
>good service and support from Adobe in the past and I expect they'll do the
>right thing in this case, too.
>
>I do want you to be aware that complications may present themselves from
>"pre-ordering" software.
>
>I "preordered" Premiere 6.0 upgrade as soon as I got Adobe's direct email
>solicitation for the product in late December. I took them up on the Prem 6
>plus AE 4.1 offer for $599.
>
>Now 2 months later,AE 5.0 is bundled w/6.0 for the same $599 and I'm
>offered
>a 5.0 upgrade for $199.00.
>
>My point is that I was solicitated directly to buy early and now I am being
>penalized for it.
>
>I called Adobe Store and they initially said "regrettably" I'm past the 30
>day policy for adjustments, but the supervisor did see that there were
>issues
>because the timing of my purchase was prompted by direct Adobe
>solicitation.
>
>She has referred this to "executive" level and promised me a call back in a
>day or two.
>
>I'm interested whether they will do the right thing, and I'm expecting that
>they will. I like their product line and want to stay with them.
>
>I don't know whether it's wise tactically to post this, but it's an issue
>that I felt others would have interest in and a pitfall I wanted to make
>people aware of.
>
>adr
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:18:39 -0500 (EST)
From: bron barry
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: please remove from list
Message-ID: <379687254.983564321448.JavaMail.root@web395-wra.mail.com>
i love the list but the traffic is killing me....
bye bye
------Original Message------
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: February 25, 2001 5:35:24 AM GMT
Subject: Re: R: Brice 3d
--
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/>
> From: "ifmp1"
>>From: "Richard Taylor"
>
>> If you want rayshading, photorealism, real animation,
>> modeling and control... 4d is much superior, in my opinion.
>>
>> Terrain can be done in any of several public
>> domain, shareware and freeware programs, or Genesis
>> http://www.geomantics.com/ or terragen for that matter.
>> Strata 3d will map bitmaps to elevation maps.
>>
>> Genesis makes Bryce look like a toy and there's a
>> free version as well as a "pro" version... Admittedly
>> you may have to learn something in order to be able
>> to use it.Check out Landscape Explorer as well.
>>
>> If the guy plans on doing real 3d animation why would
>> he not want a full featured program rather than a bundle
>> of pre-sets?
>------------
{Sorry... I just don't like Bryce all that much and really shouldn't
post so soon after waking up. That probably should have read "Strata
3d will build terrain-like models from bitmaps and probably should
have been readable.}
>I dunno, but the fact remains, he said he was using Bryce 4. I would bet
>that a lot of people who would like to add some CGI elements and scenery
>to their DV movies would naturally gravitate towards Bryce 4. I also use
>Lightwave, ElectricImage and others, depending on the task, but the
>rendering in Bryce 4 is, regardless of what you say from not having used
>it, VERY good. It also allows DV moviemakers to create very realistic
I did wander around this afternoon and looked at some newer stuff...
It has improved a bit. It's not any better than C4D though.
http://www.maxon.net/pages/Gallery/gallery_frameset.html
http://www.watchfuleye.com/brycegallery.html
>CGI scenery without devoting so much of their lives to more complex 3D
>applications. The results they will get from an incomplete skillset in
>these complex applications will not look as good as what they can make
>in Bryce 4 after a day or two of study.
Possibly true. I don't see any reason to buy something that you
know is going to be limited when, for about the same, you can get
started towards something that you can realistically use, learn
and expand on for quite some time.
I suppose it depends on what you want, though rendering speed
seems to be an issue here.
>I haven't seen any good DV feature type work done in Landscape Explorer.
>Do you know of any?
No... landscape explorer is pretty new.
Genesis does some really nice stuff. It *can* be really
frustrating. I don't think all that many folk know about it.
It does fractal landscapes at any rate... works for me. :}
{Ah well... I'm off to try the Aura demo. {www.newtek.com}}
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:23:31 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: ViXen and Premiere 6
Message-ID:
Here is the response from In-Sync sales about Xentrik ViXen and Adobe
Premiere 6.0 compatibility:
"the current version of Vixen does work with Premiere 6. The latest
version, ViXen Pro will be available later this month (the latest
version at this point is 1.4.5)"
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:39:34 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Adobe customer service UPDATE
Message-ID: <67.107739a6.27d17b26@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/2/01 10:13:53 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
geophyrd@hotmail.com writes:
<< Funny, I had the exact same question today for them. I got my 'package'
on
Feb 8th and they assured me that if I pay the cost of shipping (~$10) that I
would recieve the AE 5.0. Not sure if that means I made the 30 day mark,
but stick to your guns...
>>
I have been told by Adobe that they set the cut off date as 1/26 to recieve
the upgrade for postage and consideration of my circumstance (being
solicitated directly by Adobe to make a purchase a month earlier than that)
has been refused.
The cust rep was civil and "would not disagree" that the policy was unfair to
me. I told her that I would not let something that was unfair stand and
persuaded her that it might be in Adobe's interest to review the situation
again, which she agreed to do.
I have volunteered to her that I would not employ any of my resources, I
consider this list to be one of them, until Tuesday, the day, at the latest,
that she said they would get back to me.
I will, of course, honor my part, and will not further comment on the
situation until then.
Biting my tongue, but not my fingers,
A.D. Reiff
13th Floor Productions
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:39:17 -0500
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1, checking recorded hours
Message-ID: <3AA02115.43BA9214@cox.rr.com>
I've not seen, read, or heard of any way for a user to check head
hours on an XL1, even if one has the modified RM-95 adjusting
tool.
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:41:57 -0600
From: Chris Hurd
To:
Subject: Re: XL1, checking recorded hours
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010302082430.04439d70@dvinfo.net>
Howdy from Texas,
Hel=E9ne wrote...
>
> I've been told by a friend that it's possible to check how
> many hours the XL1-camcorder has been recording.
> Has any of heard of this?
Canon service technicians are able to do this,
presumably with a Sony RM-95 remote LANC
commander.
I have been told, however, the necessary code
sequence is not documented in the XL1 service
manual.
If anybody comes across this information and
is willing to share it, I'd be happy to put it up
on the XL1 Watchdog.
Chris Hurd
San Marcos, TX
http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:55:02 -0600
From: Chris Hurd
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: Austin seminar confirmation
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010302094203.00c506e8@dvinfo.net>
Howdy from Texas,
Just my two cents regarding Ken Bell's DVLine
touring seminar with Adobe & Canopus: I saw
this presentation in Austin this past Wednesday.
It was very informative and well worth attending.
Premiere 6 and DVStorm are going to make a
great combination for real-time editing on the
PC platform, and Ken Bell takes the hassle
out of the process by assembling custom
NLE systems for his customers. He is one
of the best Canopus integrators you can find.
Even if you're just interested in getting a look
at Premiere 6 and/or the DVStorm, be sure to
check it out at http://www.dvline.com/dvtour/intro.htm
A few lucky attendees managed to score copies
of Premiere 6 and After Effects 5; the seminars
aren't that large so your chances of winning
are pretty good!
I'd like to publicly thank Ken Bell of DVLine,
Adobe and Canopus for starting their tour in
Austin. It's a great city full of talented and
creative people. Austin tends to get overlooked
by the rest of the travelling DV seminar world,
even though there's an amazing amount of
production going on almost continuously
in this city. I hope a precedent has been
set for other future events to swing through
this area as well. Thanks, Ken!
Chris Hurd
San Marcos, TX
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:48:03 -0600
From: Chris Hurd
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: New VariZoom Pan-Tilt Head and LCD Monitors
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010302122844.00ccdc70@dvinfo.net>
Howdy from Texas,
Many of you whom I've met on the trade
show circuit will recall that I've done some
contract work with VariZoom Lens Controls.
Please file this under "announcement;" it
shouldn't sound to much like an ad. There
has been interest here recently regarding
the camera-mounted active-matrix LCD
monitors; also VariZoom has a new pan
& tilt head. Details below.
By the way, VariZoom has free NAB passes
and SXSW passes available upon request.
Hopefully that veers this post a bit closer
to "public service announcement."
Chris Hurd
San Marcos, TX
-------------------------------------------------------------
After many requests over the years VariZoom has finally
made a high-quality yet low cost professional pan & tilt
control: the MC-100. The MC-100 was designed especially
for mini dv camcorders although it has the capacity to
handle cameras as large as the Sony DSR500.
Our new precision pan & tilt motion control system will
mount on a 100mm tripod and nearly any jib arm made.
With our new MC-100 mounted on your jib, you can easily
rent your jib out for 3-4 times more than you could without
the MC-100.
Please visit our site and take a look. http://www.varizoom.com
New Products:
*MC-100 pan & tilt control http://www.varizoom.com/pages/pantiltindex.htm
Five new, on-camera, monitor packages including a 7" 16x9 and our best
selling 5.6" ultimate TFT package with 3 hour battery, charger and optional
sun hood and swivel shoe mount. NEW dual rack mount 5.6" TFT's
5.6" ultimate monitor kit http://www.varizoom.com/monitors/tft.htm
7" hi-res 16x9 monitor http://www.varizoom.com/monitors/tft7.htm
6.8" hi-res monitor http://www.varizoom.com/monitors/tft68.htm
Dual 5.6" rack mountable http://www.varizoom.com/monitors/con56.htm
4" TFT w/audio http://www.varizoom.com/monitors/tft4.htm
VariZoom will also be exhibiting at the South by Southwest
Film Festival in Austin, TX. For free passes just call during
regular business hours.
Best regards,
Tom McKay
VariZoom Lens Controls
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: my pc ignorance is showing
Message-ID: <20010302225640.18043.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com>
I've got a PC/video question that's probably obvious
to everybody but me. I am very PC-illiterate because I
edit on Avids, and all our office and home computers
are Mac's, and everyone I know who does home or
independent movies uses iMovie or FCP, and the only PC
I ever encounter is the one that came with our
teleprompter and somebody else usually fires it up.
So...
A friend who works at a talent agency has a PC and a
Digital 8 camcorder and wants to do rough editing of
children's drama movies from a class he teaches. The
PC has a 450 mhz processor and about 20 gigs of
storage.
He wants to know what he's got to get so he can
capture video and do some rough editing. I know there
are a gazillion types of capture cards, etc., out
there, but I don't have a clue about them, whether
they come with software or what. Anybody have a
recommendation on a cheap solution for this guy? All
he wants to do is load his stuff from the Digital 8
camcorder and do some rough cut editing.
Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:08:23 -0600
From: Chris Hurd
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: South by SouthWest
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010302165929.04439d70@dvinfo.net>
Howdy from Texas,
Apologies for confusing a common homonym
in my previous post: I meant to say "it shouldn't
sound *too* much like an ad." I still have some
close ties with VariZoom and passed that info
along for anybody who's interested. I ain't trying
to sell anything for them, let's put it that way.
Regarding South by Southwest: this is a
major yearly film, video & music new media
event which is a mighty big deal in this neck
of the woods. Well worth attending; in my
opinion it's much more "do-able" than
Sundance. It happens March 9 - 18.
Here are the details:
http://www.sxsw.com/2001/
If anybody swings through, I'll be there
at the Canon USA booth as one of the
"red shirts." Stop by and say hi. Thanks,
Chris Hurd
San Marcos, TX
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:09:21 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Adobe customer service
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010302235336.03964b90@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 03:02 PM 3/2/01 -0500, adr wrote:
>I don't know whether it's wise tactically to post this, but it's an issue
>that I felt others would have interest in and a pitfall I wanted to make
>people aware of.
This list is wide open for a discussion of all aspects regarding Digital
Video and customer service plays a big part in it. Posts worded like yours
are always welcome. You wrote it in a clear, concise and restrained way. No
problem at all. This post doesn't get the (if that answers your question)
kick in the butt, it gets a pat on the back.
BS
PS: It is a sad truth that the early bird often pays the highest price. If
you can hold out long enough, you often pay less. Loyal customers get
penalized, disloyal customers (the price shoppers) get rewarded. It goes
through all industries. I'm spending most of my time off DV-L with customer
service work (for a very large European auto maker), and we have
discussed this topic often, and never found a solution. See, same with
cars: New model, little inventory, you pay list. End of year, they are
eager to make their numbers, you get fat discounts and rebates.
Let us know how they handle it. It's a tricky situation. Customers who paid
a higher price often complain when you have a sale. In the 80's, I took a 4
year sabbatical from Advertising & Marketing and had my own mail order
company for books & records. When we had a sale, we always plastered
notes all over the place:
"Please: Don't ask your money back when we lower prices and you paid more
before.
Promise: We won't ask extra money from you if we raise prices and you paid
less before."
It worked.
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:13:24 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Adobe customer service UPDATE
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010303001100.03dc5d10@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:39 PM 3/2/01 -0500, ADR wrote:
>I have volunteered to her that I would not employ any of my resources, I
>consider this list to be one of them, until Tuesday, the day, at the latest,
>that she said they would get back to me.
Hmm. Just patted you on the back and now this. You should always stick to
your end of the deal - you'll feel more righteous in the end. It's Friday.
BS
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:26:46 -0500
From: "Bruce Pattison"
To:
Subject: XL1 LP mode weirdness
Message-ID: <000b01c0a370$40066740$4c286d40@computer>
A client sent me his 85 minute DV movie on a MiniDV tape. Obviously, in the
LP mode. He'd recorded it from his NLE to his XL1.
It wouldn't play on my DSR 20 so I used my XL1 as source deck to capture to
my NLE. There was Mosaic noise as it played. I cleaned the head. Still
mosaic noise. I called the client.
He sent me another dub, also on MiniDV, also recorded in LP. Mosaic noise
again. Yet NOT when played on HIS XL1.
So I discovered on page 24 of the XL1 manual that tapes recorded LP will
only play cleanly on the machine that recorded it. The exact machine. Not
even another XL1 will play it without mosaic noise. Further, PAUSING
between recording may also produce mosaic noise, even on your own machine.
Moral? LP mode = EVIL!
How's that for a cautionary tale?
Bruce Pattison
Guerrilla Productions/FilmEffect
bpattison1@ameritech.net
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:42:31 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: XL1 LP mode weirdness
Message-ID: <1010302154236.5a99390.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1152043@mail.promax.com>
Bruce Pattison Wrote:
I go along with your LP = EVIL comment below.
We hear horry stories evey so often of people using LP and/or 80 minute
tape. Hear this...there is a new ZR-30 coming that will let you record
about 4 hours on a 60 minute tape in a mode that is called something like
extended LP. I told the Canon people that this extended LP mode is going
to eat their support people's lunch with issues. What do you think?
FWIW
Charles F. McConathy
PS: Some SP tapes made on XL1 and GL1 will not play on DSR-11, DSR-20,
and 30's. This is not true all the time. This week at the LAFCPUG meeting
a fellow brought a reel to play he recorded in SP on a GL1. It would not
play on the DSR-20 in the Moviola training room. No reflection on
Moviola. Without introducing ext LP Canon has enough issues with such
things as audio not recorded at a pure 48.0 kHz - it is more like 48.008
kHz which sometimes causes sync or high pitch issues, etc.
>A client sent me his 85 minute DV movie on a MiniDV tape. Obviously, in the
>LP mode. He'd recorded it from his NLE to his XL1.
>It wouldn't play on my DSR 20 so I used my XL1 as source deck to capture to
>my NLE. There was Mosaic noise as it played. I cleaned the head. Still
>mosaic noise. I called the client.
>He sent me another dub, also on MiniDV, also recorded in LP. Mosaic noise
>again. Yet NOT when played on HIS XL1.
>So I discovered on page 24 of the XL1 manual that tapes recorded LP will
>only play cleanly on the machine that recorded it. The exact machine. Not
>even another XL1 will play it without mosaic noise. Further, PAUSING
>between recording may also produce mosaic noise, even on your own machine.
>
>Moral? LP mode = EVIL!
>
>How's that for a cautionary tale?
>
>Bruce Pattison
>Guerrilla Productions/FilmEffect
>bpattison1@ameritech.net
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:16:06 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PAL to NTSC
Message-ID:
Hello: Just a thaught. I will be checking with Emerson Electronics in New
Jersey again. They were supposed to come back to me about this possibility.
The reason I contacted them in the first place is that for a short time
Walmat was selling two different ones which transfered NTSC to PAl for 40
dollars each. Now, I do not see them anymore at the Walmat where I
purchased the two that I have. Tughollow
> From: Dexter Andrada
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 05:30:02 +0800
> To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
> Subject: Re: RE: PAL to NTSC
>
> And it works only with the Canopus DV codec AVI files. David can your software
> break this codec restriction?
>
>
> Dexter
>
>
> DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>
>> Canopus sells a software NTSC/PAL conversion program called DV
>> Converter. Expensive! And of course you still need a tape deck for
>> each standard to input from and output to.
>>
>> Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
>> Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> .....In the world of desktop digital video, is there any way to do
>> standards
>> conversion: from PAL to NTSC or back?
>> Looking primarily for a software solution, but hardware may be an
>> option.....
>>
>>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:58:49 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: my pc ignorance is showing
Message-ID:
At 2:56 pm -0800 2/3/01, Bill wrote:
>I've got a PC/video question that's probably obvious
>to everybody but me. I am very PC-illiterate because I
>edit on Avids, and all our office and home computers
>are Mac's, and everyone I know who does home or
>independent movies uses iMovie or FCP, and the only PC
>I ever encounter is the one that came with our
>teleprompter and somebody else usually fires it up.
>So...
>
>A friend who works at a talent agency has a PC and a
>Digital 8 camcorder and wants to do rough editing of
>children's drama movies from a class he teaches. The
>PC has a 450 mhz processor and about 20 gigs of
>storage.
>
>He wants to know what he's got to get so he can
>capture video and do some rough editing. I know there
>are a gazillion types of capture cards, etc., out
>there, but I don't have a clue about them, whether
>they come with software or what. Anybody have a
>recommendation on a cheap solution for this guy? All
>he wants to do is load his stuff from the Digital 8
>camcorder and do some rough cut editing.
If he is unfamiliar with PCs too, he needs a guru to help him. Or he
could buy an iMac and not have the hassle. The cheapest DV-in iMac
just had its price cut to $899.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:25:00 -0000
From: "Ev J. Leong"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: analog to firewire converters
Message-ID:
can someone help me out, I'm looking for an analog firewire converter box, I
remember in the summer time, there were some posts about these boxes that
weren't the overpriced sony ones out there. I think there was one for like
300$? if anyone can remember or know of any these boxes that could do that,
please post some links or products, thanks ahead of time
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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:45:08 -0500
From: Grosch
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: THE PRICE RTFM 299.00 3.1 AND 4.1 PROD TO 5.0 PROD Re: Adobe
After Effects 5.0
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010302204341.01f25700@popmail.javatown.com>
Purchases after 25-Dec-00 will be free to upgrade for 3.1 and 4.1 prod,
call for details
At 09:17 AM 2/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
>On 2/27/01 12:19 AM, Nick Schlott got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
>
> > BUT: since it's not actually shipping, I don't feel it would be appropriate
> > to comment on performance or other techy issues. Let's wait until they're
> > done and the actual product is in a shipping box. You should be seeing
> > enough detail in the trade press over the coming days to keep your
> > curiousity mostly sated. Fair enough?
>
>And, I think if you buy it in the first 4 months of its release, you can
>upgrade to the Prod Bundle for a mere $500. I just might go for that.
>
>But does anyone know how much Adobe will charge for an upgrade to an OS
>X-compatible version?
>
>Keith
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:35:54 -0600
From: Jeff Economy
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: analog to firewire converters
Message-ID:
>can someone help me out, I'm looking for an analog firewire
>converter box, I remember in the summer time, there were some posts
>about these boxes that weren't the overpriced sony ones out there.
>I think there was one for like 300$? if anyone can remember or know
>of any these boxes that could do that, please post some links or
>products, thanks ahead of time
Just read about the Hollywood DV-Bridge, supposedly does what you
need for $300.
I can't vouch for it (I use the Sony DVMC-MS1) but it could be your ticket:
http://www.dazzlemultimedia.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:43:39 -0600
From: Jeff Economy
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: analog to firewire converters
Message-ID:
>Just read about the Hollywood DV-Bridge, supposedly does what you
>need for $300.
>I can't vouch for it (I use the Sony DVMC-MS1) but it could be your ticket:
>
>http://www.dazzlemultimedia.com
Oops-- or more specifically:
http://www.dazzle.com/products/hw_bridge.html
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:49:01 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: analog to firewire converters
Message-ID:
>can someone help me out, I'm looking for an analog firewire
>converter box, I remember in the summer time, there were some posts
>about these boxes that weren't the overpriced sony ones out there.
>I think there was one for like 300$? if anyone can remember or know
>of any these boxes that could do that, please post some links or
>products, thanks ahead of time
http://www.dazzle.com/products/hw_bridge.html
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:50:58 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: analog to firewire converters
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010303024955.03c55100@mail.dvcentral.org>
According to what I hear, the Sony DVMC-MS1 refuses to let Macrovision
stuff through the analog port, even when scrubbed....
BS
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:26:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Low Cost DV Editor for PC Like iMovie (I forget the thread...)
Message-ID: <20010303032613.7014.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on.
--- Christopher Van Nest wrote:
> I think someone previously asked about a low-cost PC
> DV editor, something
> like iMovie. If you're still looking, I just
> remembered that DigitalOrigin
> used to make a product called IntroDV. More info at:
>
>
http://digitalorigin.media100.com/products/introdv/default.html
>
> -Christopher
> ____________________________
> Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
> http://www.freesport-tv.com/
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:30:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1 LP mode weirdness
Message-ID: <20010303033040.25477.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
I don't know why they put an LP mode on a camcorder
anyway. It shouldn't be used.
--- "Charles F. McConathy"
wrote:
> Bruce Pattison Wrote:
>
> I go along with your LP = EVIL comment below.
>
> We hear horry stories evey so often of people using
> LP and/or 80 minute
> tape. Hear this...there is a new ZR-30 coming that
> will let you record
> about 4 hours on a 60 minute tape in a mode that is
> called something like
> extended LP. I told the Canon people that this
> extended LP mode is going
> to eat their support people's lunch with issues.
> What do you think?
>
> FWIW
>
> Charles F. McConathy
>
> PS: Some SP tapes made on XL1 and GL1 will not play
> on DSR-11, DSR-20,
> and 30's. This is not true all the time. This week
> at the LAFCPUG meeting
> a fellow brought a reel to play he recorded in SP on
> a GL1. It would not
> play on the DSR-20 in the Moviola training room. No
> reflection on
> Moviola. Without introducing ext LP Canon has enough
> issues with such
> things as audio not recorded at a pure 48.0 kHz - it
> is more like 48.008
> kHz which sometimes causes sync or high pitch
> issues, etc.
>
> >A client sent me his 85 minute DV movie on a MiniDV
> tape. Obviously, in the
> >LP mode. He'd recorded it from his NLE to his XL1.
> >It wouldn't play on my DSR 20 so I used my XL1 as
> source deck to capture to
> >my NLE. There was Mosaic noise as it played. I
> cleaned the head. Still
> >mosaic noise. I called the client.
> >He sent me another dub, also on MiniDV, also
> recorded in LP. Mosaic noise
> >again. Yet NOT when played on HIS XL1.
> >So I discovered on page 24 of the XL1 manual that
> tapes recorded LP will
> >only play cleanly on the machine that recorded it.
> The exact machine. Not
> >even another XL1 will play it without mosaic noise.
> Further, PAUSING
> >between recording may also produce mosaic noise,
> even on your own machine.
> >
> >Moral? LP mode = EVIL!
> >
> >How's that for a cautionary tale?
> >
> >Bruce Pattison
> >Guerrilla Productions/FilmEffect
> >bpattison1@ameritech.net
> >
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:32:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: my pc ignorance is showing
Message-ID: <20010303033235.7077.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com>
-corder and do some rough cut editing.
>
> If he is unfamiliar with PCs too, he needs a guru to
> help him. Or he
> could buy an iMac and not have the hassle. The
> cheapest DV-in iMac
> just had its price cut to $899.
Well, that was my first suggestion, but he doesn't
want to do that.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:35:46 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: Trinity and Play?
Message-ID:
Does anybody have any news on the fate of Play Inc?
I have a friend who has a Trinity and would like to know.
Thanks
Fred
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:17:28 -0500
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: dv quality
Message-ID: <3AA07058.9D2F17DD@compuserve.com>
Wes Chow wrote:
>aren't Avid systems capable of capturing at a much higher resolution
>than DV? Obviously you can't increase detail by upsampling, but I
>imagine that the artifacts would be minimized pretty well.
You have been the victim of propaganda. The Avid video systems (as
opposed to the top end Film Composer) all digitize at normal D1 video
rez, 720x486. Virtually the same as DV, except for the six lines which
are in the overscan area.
Avid can digitize at lower COMPRESSION, which is different. However,
the issue of concatenation (artifacts compounding on other artifacts)
comes into play when going from DV to AVR and back to DV.
John Jackman
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:06:26 -0800
From: "Rizwan Kassim"
To:
Subject: RE: Trinity and Play?
Message-ID:
www.trinitycentral.com
The offical news... there is never any.
The rumors of them having died were arising at least six months ago
They havent died yet.
Tech Support is still answering the phones, and there are still s/w updates
[well, as of a month+half ago]
rk
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Greissing [mailto:singfred@cvhsa.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:36 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Trinity and Play?
Does anybody have any news on the fate of Play Inc?
I have a friend who has a Trinity and would like to know.
Thanks
Fred
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:12:43 -0800
From: "Rizwan Kassim"
To:
Subject: RE: my pc ignorance is showing
Message-ID:
Hmm. Spoken like a true Macfanatic.
[Don't start on me, I'm a PC diehard, but I have a Mac too for FCP so I
straddle the fence]
Tell your friend...
Decide how much and what kind of editing.
It must come from a DV/D8 source...
a) purchase a DV capture card.
You can even get the $69 TI [make sure the chip says Texas Instruments on
it] OCHI cards...
[if he's running Windows 95 or NT, upgrade to 98,Mil,or 2k]
Since its cuts only, the 'fancy' cards like RT2000 and others with on board
decoding and render acceleration aren't needed.
b) Acquire some software.
MotoDV would work just fine. [it can come in a kit with a FW card too, thats
all good]
It does a decent job..
If he wants MUCH more than cuts only, but nothing so fancy that he needs
render acceleration,
look at EditDV, Premiere, et. al.
IMHO, by far, the easier is a MotoDV kit with FW card and S/W ... MotoDV is
competent and thats all he needs.
[Caution... he has to check if his hard drive is 7200rpm or 5400... if the
latter, it is unlikely that it will be able to capture without crashing from
frame loss errors] ... if so, simply purchase a UDMA33 10g 7200rpm drive [or
larger capacity or larger datarate] and add it and use that for data
storage.
Hope that helps,
Rizwan Kassim, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero One
Guerilla Media Engineer, Comedy World Radio Network
"Men give me credit for some genius. All the genius I have is this. When I
have a subject in mind. I study it profoundly. Day and night it is before
me. My mind becomes pervaded with it... the effort which I have made is what
people are pleased to call the fruit of genius. It is the fruit of labor and
thought.
-Alexander Hamilton
"People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with
mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents. " - Andrew
Carnegie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:billgone@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:33 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: my pc ignorance is showing
-corder and do some rough cut editing.
>
> If he is unfamiliar with PCs too, he needs a guru to
> help him. Or he
> could buy an iMac and not have the hassle. The
> cheapest DV-in iMac
> just had its price cut to $899.
Well, that was my first suggestion, but he doesn't
want to do that.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:13:51 -0800
From: "Rizwan Kassim"
To:
Subject: RE: my pc ignorance is showing
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My bad... IntroDV will work fine too :)
all made by digitalorigin ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:billgone@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:33 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: my pc ignorance is showing
-corder and do some rough cut editing.
>
> If he is unfamiliar with PCs too, he needs a guru to
> help him. Or he
> could buy an iMac and not have the hassle. The
> cheapest DV-in iMac
> just had its price cut to $899.
Well, that was my first suggestion, but he doesn't
want to do that.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:23:05 -0800
From: "Rizwan Kassim"
To:
Subject: RE: Best performance out of PCI IDE card
Message-ID:
-----Original Message-----
From: Rizwan Kassim [mailto:rizwank@comedyworld.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:15 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Best performance out of PCI IDE card
From my experience, the following rules apply...
a) CD-ROMs, CD-RWs, DVD drives should be secondary and preferablly on a
seperate bus.
b) IF BOTH you drives are of similar datarates [UDMA33,66,100] you can place
them on the same bus.
Each drive has its OWN datapath therefore a drive to drive copy would be
just as fast.
Even if you mix and match a UDMA66 and 100 you'll be fine... just don't do
that with a legacy
EIDE fastAta [16Mbps] and your brand new UDMA100 drive.
If you are Macuser, consider a IDE Raid card... promax makes one... then you
can stripe across your drives getting even better datarates.
On a PC, upgrade to Windows 2000 or get an IDE Raid card. Win2k allows your
to stripe across IDE Drives.
I was very very tired of my system and wanted a full upgrade... upgrading to
256mb of ram did little [its a win2k machine.] then I upgraded from :
[Bus] [Master/Slave]
Primary FastATA / UDMA33
Secondary CDROM / UDMA33
to
Primary CDROM
Secondary CDRW
Primary on Seperate Card UDMA100 / UDMA100
Secondary on Seperate Card UDMA66
Finally, make sure that any drives potentially capable of UDMA66 and up have
the 80 pin conductor cables [same amount of pins, but the ribbon itself has
twice as many] that allow it to go that fast.
Happy writing.
rk
Rizwan Kassim, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero One
Guerilla Media Engineer, Comedy World Radio Network
"Men give me credit for some genius. All the genius I have is this. When I
have a subject in mind. I study it profoundly. Day and night it is before
me. My mind becomes pervaded with it... the effort which I have made is what
people are pleased to call the fruit of genius. It is the fruit of labor and
thought.
-Alexander Hamilton
"People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with
mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents. " - Andrew
Carnegie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles F. McConathy [mailto:mcconathy@promax.com]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:44 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Best performance out of PCI IDE card
Matthew Groves Wrote:
I would suggest you connect the first two drives as Master and Master -
one each to one of the two ports. If you connect two more then they would
be Slave and Slave. A master is slightly better than slave so why not go
with master.
>Hello All,
>
>Simple question.
>
>If using two drives on a PCI IDE card (I love my PROMAX), is it better to
>put one on each channel, or set both up as a master/slave on one channel.
>Does it make a difference? Mac platform.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matthew Groves
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:18:26 +0900
From: "Teale, Warwick"
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: firewire and Y/C bi-directional transcoders -a list
Message-ID: <61F34D9E9DEAD311AF4000508B2E3393D8A3E7@hkgmsg01.stortek.com>
All, I am also looking for several external bi-directional transcoders for
DV to Analogue for use between analogue PAL and NTSC devices . I have been
trying with endless frustration to buy several but no one has them yet (not
shipped yet as in vapourware) or no stock.
The Sony DVMC-DA1 Media Converter looks like a great box (NTSC only), but
does not have PAL transcoding... so need something else.
Here's a list that may assist.
1) 'FIREWIRED DV' by WIRED INC . USA -->
http://www.wiredinc.com/firewired.html
2) 'Datavideo DAC-1 DV-Analog Converter' by Datavideo-tek Inc USA -->
http://www.datavideo-tek.com/ I think this one is fromTaiwan. It appears
PAL/NTSC but when you see it it i either one or te other.I will stand
corrected.
3) 'DV Playground(tm) I' Analog Video to Digital Video Converter by FASTNET
Inc USA --> http://www.fastware.net/a0800/dvp1.html
4) 'TV-ONE dv-1394 media converter' manufactured by www.COMO.com -
distributed by http://tvone.com/dv-1394.htm or
http://www.como.com/english/p_9e.htm
5) 'Megavizion DV Converter' by Megavizyon -->
http://www.megavizyon.com/DVkonverter.htm
6) 'Director's Cut International Model' from Powerr Inc USA --->
'http://www.gotech.net/clients/powerr/products.cfm#DC10
thanks
w
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:13:46 -1100
From: "TJ Lavata'i"
To:
Subject: Re: my pc ignorance is showing
Message-ID: <016d01c0a3ba$02144020$5b4b4dc6@lavapro>
Hi,
I have two systems,
one is an RT2000 for my professional stuff and the other is an old Studio
400 for the
"fun" stuff .
I believe Pinnacle has Studio DV out now, which is a firewire version of the
Studio 400 (loosely put).
The good thing about these systems is that they copy a low res version of
your tape onto the hard drive - so you don't need tons of storage.
You make your edits - you can add some really nice titles and transitions
(organics even). When you are done, the Studio 400 or Studio DV controls the
camera and the VCR to create your final movie.
You can do lot's of great stuff - the limits are that you can only work with
one track of video and you can't do any 3d stuff.
I know the price is really cheap and it's well worth it.
Check it out at www.videoguys.com
(I don't work for them, just a happy customer)
TJ Lavata'i
Lavata'i Productions
Am Samoa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:56 AM
Subject: my pc ignorance is showing
| I've got a PC/video question that's probably obvious
| to everybody but me. I am very PC-illiterate because I
| edit on Avids, and all our office and home computers
| are Mac's, and everyone I know who does home or
| independent movies uses iMovie or FCP, and the only PC
| I ever encounter is the one that came with our
| teleprompter and somebody else usually fires it up.
| So...
|
| A friend who works at a talent agency has a PC and a
| Digital 8 camcorder and wants to do rough editing of
| children's drama movies from a class he teaches. The
| PC has a 450 mhz processor and about 20 gigs of
| storage.
|
| He wants to know what he's got to get so he can
| capture video and do some rough editing. I know there
| are a gazillion types of capture cards, etc., out
| there, but I don't have a clue about them, whether
| they come with software or what. Anybody have a
| recommendation on a cheap solution for this guy? All
| he wants to do is load his stuff from the Digital 8
| camcorder and do some rough cut editing.
| Thanks.
|
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:21:05 -1100
From: "TJ Lavata'i"
To:
Subject: Re: My Rat Shack rant
Message-ID: <017d01c0a3ba$e4ca94a0$5b4b4dc6@lavapro>
Hey guys,
I worked there a long, long time ago....... the salespeople are just doing
what they have been trained to do - and they ARE paid very low wages and
have to rely on commissions to make a living.
The addresses are for two reasons:
1) If paying check or credit card .
2) For investigation purposes....a lot of stuff bought at Radio Shack is
used for less than legal purposes.
Have a little patience and give them a break. I'm sure our customers hate it
when we say "It'll take just a minute to render this......."
(I never say that now with my RT2k)
Peace,
TJ Lavata'i
Lavata'i Productions
Am Samoa
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