DV-L Fri, 9 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 789 In this issue: 32 GB w Maxtor 60gig on mac solved, thanks Re: DV-L V1 #788 Re: remove me from list, remove me from list Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Re: Web Streaming Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring. Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Question: DV Stream vs DV Codec Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: RE: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: 32 GB w Maxtor 60gig on mac solved, thanks Re: 32 GB w Maxtor 60gig on mac solved, thanks Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses RE: remove me from list, remove me from list RE: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: RE: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: RE: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro Bryce Resolution Re: XL1 vs PD150 Blood in, blood out RE: RE: Panasonic DV cams OT- MPEG-4 Re: Web Streaming Re: OT- MPEG-4 Re: Web Streaming Unsubscriptions don't work: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: N-OT: MPEG-4 Re: OT- MPEG-4 Platform wars, was Web Streaming Re: N-OT: MPEG-4 Re: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro Re: DV-L V1 #788 Re: OT- MPEG-4 OS X pricing of FCP Re: Blood in, blood out Re: Bryce Resolution Terran Media Cleaner EZ in Adobe Premiere 6.0 Seeking programmer Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) RE: OT- MPEG-4 Re: videotaping powerpoint presentations RE: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Re: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) RE: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) How to expedite unsubscriptions Canopus DVStorm certified by Adobe for Premiere 6 Re: Bryce Resolution Best price Dv/dvcam tapes? Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam RE: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring. Re: XL1 vs PD150 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:15:51 +0000 From: Kurt Kerkhofs To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: 32 GB w Maxtor 60gig on mac solved, thanks Message-ID: <3AA769E7.7494@uia.ua.ac.be> I only could get 32GB out of a 60 gig drive on my b-w mac G3.After removing the J46 jumper from the drive which sets the drive to slave (which it should be) I could initialize 58 GIG using drive-set up. The drive is still setup in master - slave but it seems to work better without setting the jumper according to the manual. Thank you to all of you that helped me on this. Cheers Kurt Kerkhofs AV-Centre Antwerp University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:14:28 +0800 From: "Brang Lin" To: Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #788 Message-ID: <001801c0a7b8$8ffcbbe0$76f13cca@brang> Kindly stop my subscription. Best regards, Dr. Samuel Lin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:45:18 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: remove me from list, remove me from list Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308123911.03e74ec0@popserver.panix.com> At 04:24 PM 3/8/01 +0800, CycChen@acercm.com.tw wrote: >hi i asked to be removed from the list a week ago. > >by reply and by website. > >it may just take a while but PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM LIST. > >too many emails a day!!!!!!!!!!!! And at 11:18 PM 3/7/01 -0800,bronbarry@juno.com wrote: >hi i asked to be removed from the list a week ago. > >by reply and by website. > >it may just take a while but PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM LIST. > >too many emails a day!!!!!!!!!!!! > Apparently, a dual personality. Who wants to get off-list? If you have difficulties unsubscribing using the unsubscription facilities, please send a message to me _using the email address and mail account you used to subscribe_. This is a protection measure to spare other members unwanted unsubs. BS. >-- (cut off when replying)----------------- >This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as >http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, >http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > >To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html >All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: >http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html >DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:55:08 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308124955.02e80880@mail.dvcentral.org> - People post to the list and say "unsubscribe me". Doh. - People post to the list ""=A7$%& unsubscribe me, or I'll sue you". Doh.=20 Doh. Doh. - People don't read the footer. - People mistype their e-mail address. - People don't get their confirm, because it's sent to the e-mail address=20 they used to subscribe. - People don't send their confirm back. No confirm, no unsub. - Our unsubscription feature is on the blink. General DV-L assumption and policy: If you are smart enough to subscribe, you are smart enough to unsubscribe. If you need manual help, send a private note to Alexei or moi. BS. DV-L Subscription Dept. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:19:53 -0800 From: "William Domb" To: Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <008401c0a7ca$6a506560$5e934b94@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bertel Schmitt" . > - People don't get their confirm, because it's sent to the e-mail address > they used to subscribe. > > If you are smart enough to subscribe, you are smart enough to unsubscribe. > If you need manual help, send a private note to Alexei or moi. What is the procedure to unsub if you have already changed ISP's and cannot receive the confirmation at the old email address? Perhaps that's the source of some of the problems here. regards bill domb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:26:39 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Web Streaming Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308131829.01bd4be0@mail.dvcentral.org> At 11:05 AM 3/8/01 +0000, you wrote: >If you only have one clip to be distributed over the internet you better >guarantee quality by choosing download. Also if it's corporate or >promotional you might want people to copy it and keep it on their pc or >distribute it to friends. Valid point, but keep in mind that people are trained for instant gratification: Push a button, watch a video. Download now, play later needs an extra level of expertise (not unlike operating a VCR ..) and should be offered as an option. From a quality standpoint, it is quite amazing what a low bitrate (say 30 - 40 kbps ) can offer with today's compression technologies. Especially if the video is clean & uncluttered (neutral background, hard cuts, no rapid movements) and has been cleaned for compression. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:34:17 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308132848.04031af0@mail.dvcentral.org> At 04:19 AM 3/8/01 -0800, you wrote: >What is the procedure to unsub if you have already changed ISP's and cannot >receive the confirmation at the old email address? Perhaps that's the >source of some of the problems here. The procedure is called Human Intervention. If you can't receive the confirm at the old email address, then you won't receive the traffic either and it bounces back to us. Unless your traffic is forwarded. Since the unsub request for forwarded traffic comes from an address unknown to us, we usually treat it as an interloper and ignore it. If we would take it seriously, anybody could unsub the whole list, which wouldn't be big fun - at least for the rest of us. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:46:34 -0500 From: "Walt" To: Subject: Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Message-ID: <005f01c0a7cd$d438cb40$6401a8c0@design1> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0A7A3.E5C9F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best choice for dubbing BetaSP to DVCAM is to use the component = analog I/O into a Sony DSR-80 or equivalent deck. Since you don't have = that equipment you could have someone like ProMax do it for you unless = you plan to buy a high-end deck. Once it's on tape one deck is as good = as another from a quality standpoint when transferring via the Firewire. = The new DSR-11 is the lowest cost Sony DV/DVCAM desktop deck. I'm using = both a DSR-30 and DSR-20 in my suites but they do not have analog = component I/O. The best analog connection on them is s-video however for = many applications that's good enough. Walt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jase Tanner=20 To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:57 AM Subject: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam I have number of Sp tapes that are getting old, 6 years for some of = them. I want to make some DVCam dubs and then load them on to my G4. = I've also got some mini-DV that I want to capture as well. I need advice = as to which decks would best give me highest quality. Also need advice = re procedure. A how to web site or book would be great. Thanks very much ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0A7A3.E5C9F660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best choice for dubbing BetaSP to = DVCAM is to=20 use the component analog I/O into a Sony DSR-80 or equivalent deck. = Since=20 you don't have that equipment you could have someone like ProMax do it = for you=20 unless you plan to buy a high-end deck. Once it's on tape one deck = is as=20 good as another from a quality standpoint when transferring via the = Firewire.=20 The new DSR-11 is the lowest cost Sony DV/DVCAM desktop deck. I'm using = both a=20 DSR-30 and DSR-20 in my suites but they do not have analog component = I/O. The=20 best analog connection on them is s-video however for many applications = that's=20 good enough. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Jase Tanner To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 = 1:57=20 AM Subject: Need help in dubbing = Beta Sp to=20 DVCam I have number of Sp tapes that are getting = old, 6 years=20 for some of them. I want to make some DVCam dubs and then load them on = to my=20 G4. I've also got some mini-DV that I want to capture as well. I need = advice=20 as to which decks would best give me highest quality. Also need advice = re=20 procedure. A how to web site or book would be great. Thanks very = much ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0A7A3.E5C9F660-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:50:31 -0800 From: "William Domb" To: Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <00c001c0a7ce$9eebd0d0$5e934b94@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bertel Schmitt" > > The procedure is called Human Intervention. > > If you can't receive the confirm at the old email address, then you won't > receive the traffic either and it bounces back to us. Unless your traffic > is forwarded. > Or unless you've subscribed again at your NEW address. That's why adding a line to your footer to read "IF YOU HAVE CHANGED ISP'S, PLEASE ASK FOR HUMAN INTERVENTION AT __@__" would be a useful addition. regards bill domb > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:06:55 -0500 From: Jennie Horn To: dv-l@dvcentral.org Subject: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: There is such a thing as a stupid question, but here I go. I don't understand why the Canon XL-1's allow you to use any Canon lenses that would go on their SLR cameras, as opposed to VX1000 where you have to find special lenses specifically suited for it. I got a "wide angle" lens with my VX1000 which is not useful for anything except the fish-eye look. I was wondering: A) What are the requirements for a lens to work properly on a VX1000 as far as measurements, brands, materials, etc? I am making the assumption that they would be the same for the VX2000.. B) What are some manufacturers of lenses that you guys have used? I am not able to borrow equipment from anywhere or "try things out." I basically need to do some research and then purchase. Thanks! Jennie P.S. The old VX1000 Resource Group is painfully out of date. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:57:07 -0500 From: Peter Nicoll To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring. Message-ID: Apparently, Firewire DVD-R Drives are in the works. >Anyone know if this is possible? I talked to a tech at Apple today. While >he said that you could buy a Pioneer A03 and put it in a older G4 Mac and >use it with DVD Studio Pro He didn't know if it would work on a Powerbook G4 >with the DVD-R ATA hooked up to a Powerbook using a Firewire Drive bay. >Anyone think this would work? > >Thanks, >Scott > >-- (cut off when replying)----------------- >This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as >http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, >http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its >members. > >To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html >All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: >http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html >DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages -- Peter Nicoll Alpha Wolf Communications 617.510.8069 - Cell 781.777.1585 - Voice/Fax http://homepage.mac.com/pnicoll/resume.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:13:46 -0500 From: "Walt" To: Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: <007b01c0a7d1$a0dfd140$6401a8c0@design1> The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the factory lens. The XL-1 on the other hand has a lens mount that was designed to be user interchangeable much like most 35mm SLR still cameras have. A fixed lens system is less costly to build and most users of prosumer gear never change or add lenses anyway so most models use that design. The XL-1 is the lowest cost camera offering removable lenses but for a few dollars more you can get a JVC DV-500 which offers even more professional features. There's also a new Panasonic camera, DV-200 or something like that, in that price range and for a bit more the Sony DSR-300A. All of those cameras all use professional interchangeable lenses which are available in many focal lengths and zoom ratios. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie Horn" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses > There is such a thing as a stupid question, but here I go. I don't > understand why the Canon XL-1's allow you to use any Canon lenses > that would go on their SLR cameras, as opposed to VX1000 where you > have to find special lenses specifically suited for it. I got a > "wide angle" lens with my VX1000 which is not useful for anything > except the fish-eye look. I was wondering: > > A) What are the requirements for a lens to work properly on a VX1000 > as far as measurements, brands, materials, etc? I am making the > assumption that they would be the same for the VX2000.. > > B) What are some manufacturers of lenses that you guys have used? I > am not able to borrow equipment from anywhere or "try things out." I > basically need to do some research and then purchase. > > Thanks! > > Jennie > > P.S. The old VX1000 Resource Group is painfully out of date. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:37:53 -0500 From: Jennie Horn To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: Walt, okay, this makes sense. Since I am not buying another camera anytime soon, my next question is, what are some good "additional" lenses so that I can get a better variety of looks with my VX1000? >The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do >to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the >factory lens. The XL-1 on the other hand has a lens mount that was designed >to be user interchangeable much like most 35mm SLR still cameras have. A >fixed lens system is less costly to build and most users of prosumer gear >never change or add lenses anyway so most models use that design. The XL-1 >is the lowest cost camera offering removable lenses but for a few dollars >more you can get a JVC DV-500 which offers even more professional features. >There's also a new Panasonic camera, DV-200 or something like that, in that >price range and for a bit more the Sony DSR-300A. All of those cameras all >use professional interchangeable lenses which are available in many focal >lengths and zoom ratios. > >Walt > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:19:45 -0500 From: "Lee Faulkner" To: Subject: Question: DV Stream vs DV Codec Message-ID: Hi There! Does anyone know the difference between a DV Stream (.dv files) and a quicktime DV codec movie? (.mov). Is a DV stream stored on a DV tape? What gets transferred to the HD during a firewire capture? Do apps like Premiere and Final cut 'convert' input to a DV quicktime movie while others like imovie 2 use the DV stream directly? Is there any loss converting from a dv stream to a dv codec in something like quicktime pro? Is one 'better' than the other? Thanks in Advance Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:19:11 -0500 From: "Walt" To: Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: <008701c0a7da$c7840100$6401a8c0@design1> The Century lenses seem to get good reviews but I haven't used any. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie Horn" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses > Walt, okay, this makes sense. Since I am not buying another camera > anytime soon, my next question is, what are some good "additional" > lenses so that I can get a better variety of looks with my VX1000? > > > > > >The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do > >to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the > >factory lens. The XL-1 on the other hand has a lens mount that was designed > >to be user interchangeable much like most 35mm SLR still cameras have. A > >fixed lens system is less costly to build and most users of prosumer gear > >never change or add lenses anyway so most models use that design. The XL-1 > >is the lowest cost camera offering removable lenses but for a few dollars > >more you can get a JVC DV-500 which offers even more professional features. > >There's also a new Panasonic camera, DV-200 or something like that, in that > >price range and for a bit more the Sony DSR-300A. All of those cameras all > >use professional interchangeable lenses which are available in many focal > >lengths and zoom ratios. > > > >Walt > > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:24:22 -0500 From: Joe Parker To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308091743.02f87008@mail.speakeasy.org> >That's why adding a line to your footer to read >"IF YOU HAVE CHANGED ISP'S, PLEASE ASK FOR HUMAN INTERVENTION AT __@__" >would be a useful addition. I've seen this on other lists. Something like 'Still can't unsub? Then send an email to x@x.com'. You could add that they should put 'unsub' on the subject line to make filtering easier. At least that should stop them from sending the requests to the whole list. Or we could try initial AND periodic IQ tests. Answer this question or you will be unsubbed automatically: 'Who's buried in Grant's tomb?' 'How much is 2+2?' 'Describe in detail the process of filtering list messages to a separate mailbox' ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:28:26 -0500 From: "E Berlin" To: Subject: RE: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: The most often used is a wide-angle adapter. The preferred model is the Century Optics .65x Wide Angle Converter, which has zoom-through capability. The newer bayonet-mount version is preferable to the screw-mount version. Among other things, Century also makes telephoto adapters, diopters for extreme close-ups, matte boxes for filters, and an anamorphic adapter. The only one I've used is the .65x, which I love. EBerlin -----Original Message----- From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:19 AM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses The Century lenses seem to get good reviews but I haven't used any. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie Horn" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses > Walt, okay, this makes sense. Since I am not buying another camera > anytime soon, my next question is, what are some good "additional" > lenses so that I can get a better variety of looks with my VX1000? > > > > > >The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do > >to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the > >factory lens. The XL-1 on the other hand has a lens mount that was designed > >to be user interchangeable much like most 35mm SLR still cameras have. A > >fixed lens system is less costly to build and most users of prosumer gear > >never change or add lenses anyway so most models use that design. The XL-1 > >is the lowest cost camera offering removable lenses but for a few dollars > >more you can get a JVC DV-500 which offers even more professional features. > >There's also a new Panasonic camera, DV-200 or something like that, in that > >price range and for a bit more the Sony DSR-300A. All of those cameras all > >use professional interchangeable lenses which are available in many focal > >lengths and zoom ratios. > > > >Walt > > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:33:14 -0500 From: Dave Haynie To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: 32 GB w Maxtor 60gig on mac solved, thanks Message-ID: <20010308092543.FAF1.DHAYNIE@jersey.net> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:15:51 +0000, Kurt Kerkhofs jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying: > I only could get 32GB out of a 60 gig drive on my b-w mac G3.After > removing the J46 jumper from the drive which sets the drive to slave > (which it should be) I could initialize 58 GIG using drive-set up. The only odd part is why you could get 32GB in what was presumably a two-master bus. The 58GB is the right number. Most "60GB" drives are in the range of 60,000,000,000-61,500,000,000 bytes in size. Drive makes always use decimal 1,000. Most computer systems use a binary 1024 to represent 1K. This is because DRAM chips and other solid state memories naturally grow by powers of two, but this isn't the case for disc storage. > drive is still setup in master - slave but it seems to work better > without setting the jumper according to the manual. Define "better"... There's a "cable sense" mode supported by ATA, which lets the cable connector define which drive is master, which is slave. This doesn't seem to be popular on PCs, but it's possible. Either way, it's pretty much an all or nothing thing -- either you have one master and one slave, or you don't. -- Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:34:12 +0000 From: Kurt Kerkhofs To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: 32 GB w Maxtor 60gig on mac solved, thanks Message-ID: <3AA7C294.75BF@uia.ua.ac.be> > > > drive is still setup in master - slave but it seems to work better > > without setting the jumper according to the manual. > > Define "better"... There's a "cable sense" mode supported by ATA, which > lets the cable connector define which drive is master, which is slave. > This doesn't seem to be popular on PCs, but it's possible. Either way, > it's pretty much an all or nothing thing -- either you have one master > and one slave, or you don't. It works better because I could initialize up to 58 GIG. :-) I guess the mac uses that ATA cable sense mode you mentioned. cheers Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Message-ID: <20010308151948.5568.qmail@web4004.mail.yahoo.com> I use a DSR1800 and go component out of the Betacam deck to component in on the DVCAM deck. If you can't get a deck that has component in and out, you can use the SVHS port--not quite as good but not bad either. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 05:28:54 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: <3AA7A536.BE2EAD6F@maui.net> I would only add to Walt's comments that if you consider a camera on the level of a JVC DV-500, Panasonic DV-200 or Sony 250 (all three of which make very good pictures) you will also want to spend the money for a good lens which can increase the cost by several thousand dollars. The XL1 (I own two of them and love using them) is not in the class of the above cameras. Aloha, Jon Burkhart Walt wrote: > The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do > to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the > factory lens. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: <20010308152942.3424.qmail@web4003.mail.yahoo.com> The short answer is that the XL-1 has interchangeable lenses, while the VX2K is a fixed lens camera. --- Jennie Horn wrote: > There is such a thing as a stupid question, but here > I go. I don't > understand why the Canon XL-1's allow you to use any > Canon lenses > that would go on their SLR cameras, as opposed to > VX1000 where you > have to find special lenses specifically suited for > it. I got a > "wide angle" lens with my VX1000 which is not useful > for anything > except the fish-eye look. I was wondering: > > A) What are the requirements for a lens to work > properly on a VX1000 > as far as measurements, brands, materials, etc? I > am making the > assumption that they would be the same for the > VX2000.. > > B) What are some manufacturers of lenses that you > guys have used? I > am not able to borrow equipment from anywhere or > "try things out." I > basically need to do some research and then > purchase. > > Thanks! > > Jennie > > P.S. The old VX1000 Resource Group is painfully out > of date. > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L > Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, > http://www.videoguys.com, > http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the > contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: > http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: > http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:16:56 -0500 From: "Walt" To: Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: <00d101c0a7eb$37f91dc0$6401a8c0@design1> Morning Jon, The Sony DSR-250 also has a permanently mounted lens but the DSR-300 is interchangeable and you're right it is in a different class. For my needs I probably would have gone with the DSR-250 if it had been available when I bought my DSR-300. The other advantage in all but the DV-500 is the use of large tapes which extends the record time to more than 3 hours. The DSR-250 with a large battery and tape would go virtually all day for most shoots. By the way I hope you're having as much fun with your Storm as I am with the RexRT. I'm sure glad I made the upgrade. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Burkhart" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses > I would only add to Walt's comments that if you consider a camera on the level of a JVC DV-500, Panasonic DV-200 or Sony 250 (all three of which make very good pictures) you will also want > to spend the money for a good lens which can increase the cost by several thousand dollars. The XL1 (I own two of them and love using them) is not in the class of the above cameras. > > Aloha, > Jon Burkhart > > Walt wrote: > > > The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do > > to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the > > factory lens. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:22:31 -0700 From: "Richard H. Heeren" To: Subject: RE: remove me from list, remove me from list Message-ID: Apparently, these dual personalities are also both too lazy to read the footer to every message and unsubscribe themselves. Or it could just be the phase of the moon lately. Richard H. Heeren, Consultant Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer! -----Original Message----- Apparently, a dual personality. Who wants to get off-list? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:22:33 -0700 From: "Richard H. Heeren" To: Subject: RE: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: Why not write a novel and include it also in the footer all for free with each post to the list? Richard H. Heeren, Consultant Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer! -----Original Message----- .....That's why adding a line to your footer to read "IF YOU HAVE CHANGED ISP'S, PLEASE ASK FOR HUMAN INTERVENTION AT __@__" would be a useful addition..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:31:53 -0500 From: "Crittenden, Jan" To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" Subject: RE: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D7C1@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7ED.48EC3020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have 9.1 working with FCP in the lab here and have not experienced any problems. Maybe Charles has something to add? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Jase Tanner [mailto:jasetanner@reelwest.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:04 PM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro I just purchased a G4, dual 450. I'm about to install Final Cut. I'm wondering if I am better of to stay with OS 9.0.4 or to upgrade to 9.1 Thanks ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7ED.48EC3020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" I have 9.1 working with FCP in the lab here and have not experienced any problems. Maybe Charles has something to add? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Jase Tanner [mailto:jasetanner@reelwest.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:04 PM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro I just purchased a G4, dual 450. I'm about to install Final Cut. I'm wondering if I am better of to stay with OS 9.0.4 or to upgrade to 9.1 Thanks ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7ED.48EC3020-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:57:20 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses Message-ID: <3AA7B9F0.34625ABB@maui.net> Hi Walt, Thanks for the wake up call. Forgot the DSR-250 has a fixed lens. Yeah, I'm lovin' the Storm. So nice to have realtime color correction and being able to crank a little sharp into my XL1 stuff when it needs it (which is quite often) ;^). Actually, the XL1 is so quiet you really can crank a good bit of detail into the picture without screwing it up. Aloha, Jon Burkhart Walt wrote: > Morning Jon, > > The Sony DSR-250 also has a permanently mounted lens but the DSR-300 is > interchangeable and you're right it is in a different class. For my needs I > probably would have gone with the DSR-250 if it had been available when I > bought my DSR-300. The other advantage in all but the DV-500 is the use of > large tapes which extends the record time to more than 3 hours. The DSR-250 > with a large battery and tape would go virtually all day for most shoots. By > the way I hope you're having as much fun with your Storm as I am with the > RexRT. I'm sure glad I made the upgrade. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Burkhart" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses > > > I would only add to Walt's comments that if you consider a camera on the > level of a JVC DV-500, Panasonic DV-200 or Sony 250 (all three of which make > very good pictures) you will also want > > to spend the money for a good lens which can increase the cost by several > thousand dollars. The XL1 (I own two of them and love using them) is not in > the class of the above cameras. > > > > Aloha, > > Jon Burkhart > > > > Walt wrote: > > > > > The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can > do > > > to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of > the > > > factory lens. > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:59:21 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <3AA7BA69.BCE20F68@maui.net> "Richard H. Heeren" wrote: > Why not write a novel and include it also in the footer all for free > with each post to the list? > Yeah, it must be a full moon, all right. Aloha, Jon Burkhart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:53:57 -0500 From: John Luna To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: RE: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro Message-ID: --============_-1228052058==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I have 9.1 working with FCP in the lab here and have not experienced >any problems. Maybe Charles has something to add? > >Jan > > -----Original Message----- >From: Jase Tanner [mailto:jasetanner@reelwest.bc.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:04 PM >To: DV-L@dvcentral.org >Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro > >I just purchased a G4, dual 450. I'm about to install Final Cut. I'm >wondering if I am better of to stay with OS 9.0.4 or to upgrade to >9.1 Upgrade to 9.01 because it has a better QT codec and new firewire extentions. Check out this article on 2-pop http://www.2-pop.com/library/index.html John --============_-1228052058==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arial0000,0000,FFFFI have 9.1 working with FCP in the lab here and have not experienced any problems. Maybe Charles has something to add? =20 Jan =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jase Tanner [mailto:jasetanner@reelwest.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:04 PM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro right,leftI just purchased a G4, dual 450. I'm about to install Final Cut. I'm wondering if I am better of to stay with OS 9.0.4 or to upgrade to 9.1 Upgrade to 9.01 because it has a better QT codec and new firewire extentions. Check out this article on 2-pop=20 http://www.2-pop.com/library/index.html John --============_-1228052058==_ma============-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:54:32 -0500 From: "Conall Pendergast" To: DV-L@DVCentral.org Subject: Bryce Resolution Message-ID: If I render my Bryce footage at 720x540, will it look acceptable when projected theatrically? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:56:29 -0500 From: To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150 Message-ID: >Hi, > >I just compared the XL1 and the PD150 side by side. >The Pd150 was so much stronger as far as color and detail. >It picked up yellow much more Accurately and was way better on a closeup of >my black jacket with purple sown letters in low to medium light. It was very >distinct. > >I kept asking the sales guy "are you sure the settings are the same?" >We confirmed it was. _______________________________ I have both a XL1 and a VX2K (same image mechanics as PD150). They both have strengths and weakness. The image on the VX2K is sharper which is a good thing, UNLESS you are doing a lot of nature videography. I have found that because it is so sharp, the DV codec begins to show the problem (that lurks just below the surface) involved with 5:1 compression. The mosquitos come out in droves when you have very complex and moving images. I turned the sharpness on the menu down all the way, and the problem persisted. A tiffen filter (I'll get some soon) will probably solve this particular issue. The XL1, because it is softer, does a better job on this type of content. In addition, even the 16X lens reaches out much further than the fixed 12X VX2K's. As far as color, the VX2K does capture the "true" color better, but IMO I prefer the XL1's richer and more saturated, albeit "enhanced/magenta leaning" look. The VX2K can be cold . . . nothing new with sony images. Image stabilization: I much prefer the XL1 stabilizer to that of the VX2K. I never noticed any "false" image stabilization with the XL1, but the Sony seems to almost drop some frames under certain conditions (again nature stuff). Now that I always shoot with a marzpak, that issue went away. The memory stick/stills capability of the VX2K is really cool. Images are small in bandwidth, load to my G4 in a second via USB, and look great. If I had to pick between the two cameras, I'd really have a hard time, because I love the 3X canon lens. Right now, I'd probably go with the Sony, or wait until NAB and see if Canon poops the XL2. That new panasonic 200 looks pretty good too. Have FUN! jmerser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:13:18 EST From: KevLand1@aol.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Blood in, blood out Message-ID: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:51:50 -0500 From: "Crittenden, Jan" To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" Subject: RE: RE: Panasonic DV cams Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D7C3@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com> Editing would be purely DV. DV in DV out. In my case it is all NTSC. Choices here are wide open. I have found the Apple G4 with Final Cut to go together the fastest, that does not imply that it is the best. I found that the Canopus was also very easy but a little more expensive, and required some assembly. Depends on your orientation to operating systems. Are you a PC or MAC person? > > Unfortunately I have very little knowledge of the Panasonic > Cams. (You guys should sell more prosumer stuff in South East > Asia...) that is why I am having a hard time understanding > the difference and advantages of the Pan Cams. While I have no clue as to what they sell in Southeast Asia, as I am strictly a Panasonic, USA person, my feeling is that we do not have a vast number of products in the prosumer market. Most of the DV we have delivered thus far on a world wide basis to my knowledge is consumer level equipment. Some of these have been also sold by the Broadcast Companies like the AG-EZ1 or the EZ30, but for the most part it has only been in the last year and a half that the parent company has put real engineering effort into developing products for the Professional DV user. The first two products born of this effort is the AG-DVC10 and the AG-DVC200. There is no comparison between these products as they are greatly different in price. The DVC200 is the most professional camera, and features a number of attractive features. One feature that is not noted anywhere is that the camera utilizes a DVCPRO transport and Chassis, which translates into broadcast construction, very rugged. It also has a tape cleaning head, which cleans the tape path prior to the first video head touching the tape. Should reduce a vast number of head clog problems in the DV domain. > Alright, then I should ask then is which camera has one of > the better VTRs? So all that said, my leaning would be toward the AG-DVC200, it is the best Panasonic camera/VCR in the DV domain. I hope this helps, Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:04:38 -0500 From: "Crittenden, Jan" To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" Subject: OT- MPEG-4 Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D7C7@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com> Hello all, I am doing a bit of research on MPEG4 and am looking to find anyone that is currently using this technology and how you are using it. While I recognize that this is a DV list, I was hoping that some of you guys/gals might be in the bleeding edge of DV-MPEG-4 encoding. If you are working in this domain and willing to talk about what you are doing, please email off list, unless there is consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. Bertel? Thanks for the patience with the off topic, Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:05:59 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Web Streaming Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308200525.02f618a0@mail.dvcentral.org> At 04:32 PM 3/7/01 -0600, Chris wrote: >Most servers have the ability to downshift from the originally negotiated >speed should line conditions deteriorate or should the user's player be >improperly configured to accept data at rates faster than the media can >support. Agree wholeheartedly. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:10:14 -0600 From: "Bryan \"bc\" Castles" To: Subject: Re: OT- MPEG-4 Message-ID: <003701c0a803$67ed5830$120210ac@nhic> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0A7D1.1D3770F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I for one would like to see the discussion on this topic. I also think = it is a related enough topic, that it shouldn't get the thumbs down from = the group. Everybody has a delete button right? :-) bc > the bleeding edge of DV-MPEG-4 encoding. If you are working in this = domain > and willing to talk about what you are doing, please email off list, = unless > there is consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. Bertel? >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0A7D1.1D3770F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I for one would like to see the = discussion on this=20 topic. I also think it is a related enough topic, that it = shouldn't get=20 the thumbs down from the group. Everybody has a delete button = right? =20 :-) bc > the bleeding edge of = DV-MPEG-4=20 encoding. If you are working in this domain > and willing to = talk=20 about what you are doing, please email off list, unless > there is = consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. = Bertel? >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0A7D1.1D3770F0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:08:21 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Web Streaming Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308200723.030799c0@mail.dvcentral.org> At 09:05 PM 3/7/01 -0500, ifmp wrote: >I've found that some corporate cultures are far less "web media" >oriented in general, and others have integrated this stuff more in what >they do. It isn't a matter of platform so much as it is a matter of how >important media is to the user base. If it hasn't been a priority, >expect the machines to be poorly equipped to run anything. Macs by >default are better equipped for multimedia right out of the box, but >that doesn't mean any particular group of users will have even used this >capability. Very true. Know your target. Don't assume anything. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:11:36 EST From: ADReiff@aol.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <6c.8663d5a.27d93368@aol.com> In a message dated 3/8/01 1:54:08 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, bschmitt@dvcentral.org writes: << If you are smart enough to subscribe, you are smart enough to unsubscribe >> Apparently, this is not true. Believing it is true makes for frustration on your part and of the members, those who do not want to be on the list and those that are. All kinds of insults and indigestion (hey, that's sort of a pun) follow. I suggest that there is something wrong with the procedure. Please consider doing what other lists do, send an auto email every two weeks or so with unsubscribe details. If we're smart enough to read it, then maybe we'll bde smart enough to unsubscribe. adr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:21:40 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308201040.0307aec0@mail.dvcentral.org> At 04:50 AM 3/8/01 -0800, William wrote: >That's why adding a line to your footer to read >"IF YOU HAVE CHANGED ISP'S, PLEASE ASK FOR HUMAN INTERVENTION AT __@__" >would be a useful addition. Absolutely not. We won't be adding anything else to the footer. There is a very obvious link to a webbpage that explains everything ad nauseam and that also offers human intervention - if someone needs it. Most people can change ISPs on their own without human intervention on our part. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:27:09 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308202347.01b1ad00@mail.dvcentral.org> At 09:24 AM 3/8/01 -0500, Joe wrote: >'Who's buried in Grant's tomb?' Gary? Well, if in doubt, we could always consult http://www.grtraylor.com - serving Texas counties and municipalities in grant writing, grant administration and governmental consulting. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:44:10 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: N-OT: MPEG-4 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308203236.021f9130@mail.dvcentral.org> At 02:04 PM 3/8/01 -0500, Jan wrote: >If you are working in this domain >and willing to talk about what you are doing, please email off list, unless >there is consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. Bertel? Streaming is simply a part of the video delivery process. If we can talk about lights bought at Home Depot, then we most certainly can and should talk about how to deliver the video which we've created. There already is a very lively discussion about this topic. No problem whatsoever. Notice to combatants and the grassy knoll crowd: Just because someone utters "MPEG-4," he or she doesn't imply that Bill Gates is God Almighty, or that James Lee Sorenson is a lowlife, ok? That way of thinking would point to a high degree of low self-esteem, and we don't want that here. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:52:21 -0500 From: Joe Parker To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: OT- MPEG-4 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308144820.031e4d78@mail.speakeasy.org> Well, I sometimes *watch* mpeg4. Two problems: Right now all the windows codecs are still in Alpha, and they take even _longer_ to encode than mpeg2 (if you can believe that). http://www.divx-digest.com/software/divxcodec.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:03:06 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Platform wars, was Web Streaming Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308195023.01b19cc0@mail.dvcentral.org> At 02:27 PM 3/7/01 -0800, Kevin wrote: >Bertel, there are many more Windows users running QuickTime than Mac >users. If you're going to bend your own rules about platform wars, please >be accurate. Holy cow. (Pun intended.) I have made no remarks or assumptions at all re usage numbers or quality of either technology. I also sprinkled a generous amount of "may" into the post (except when talking about Mac users, where I demanded QT.) This is far from any platform wars. It simply was a statement re: know who you stream to. Or offer everything if you don't know. To All: I've said it again and again: We should be able to put the words "Mac" and "Windows" into the same post without triggering a platform war. If people look for a platform war, then I can't help it. But I can help 'em end it. BS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:58:37 -0500 From: Dave Haynie To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: N-OT: MPEG-4 Message-ID: <20010308145215.FAFA.DHAYNIE@jersey.net> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:44:10 -0500, Bertel Schmitt jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying: > At 02:04 PM 3/8/01 -0500, Jan wrote: > >If you are working in this domain > >and willing to talk about what you are doing, please email off list, unless > >there is consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. Bertel? > Streaming is simply a part of the video delivery process. Yup. > Notice to combatants and the grassy knoll crowd: Just because someone > utters "MPEG-4," he or she doesn't imply that Bill Gates is God Almighty, > or that James Lee Sorenson is a lowlife, ok? For example, my company develops advanced set top boxes for multimedia playback, 100% Microsoft-free. Most of our stuff is in Europe, where delivery is a pretty easy thing so far (MPEG-2/DVB). However, in moving into the US market, it's clear that broadband is going to be The Thing, and soon. I don't believe we can settle on a single CODEC for broadband, but MPEG-4 is definitely at the top of the list these days. I would guess just about anyone else in the market will have an MPEG-4 strategy in the next year or so, unless the major content providers all line up behind something else. From the view of internet vs. dedicated delivery, MPEG-4 may be even more compelling, because it's already out there. It's damn shame Microsoft sees a need to balkanize the MPEG-4 world by using proprietary bits (transport wrappers, etc) -- there's enough proprietary stuff out there already. And we're certainly dealing with that, but ultimately, video people, distributers, and consumers will benefit from a digital/broadband world that's just as interoperable as the analog world has been. -- Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:00:04 EST From: Video7105@aol.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro Message-ID: Using MacOS 9.1 here on the New Dual 533 w/FCP/QT5P3 with no problems Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:54:58 +0100 From: Rolf Howarth To: Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #788 Message-ID: I deliberately didn't change the subject line because yesterday's digest was one of the best I've read in a long time. A lot of interesting discussion on Java, QuickTime, web streaming etc. Kudos to everyone involved, especially Steve Bennet for his contributions, which I personally agree with wholeheartedly. Java for applications is excellent, the only way to go in my opinion, but for web pages, well, I'm not so sure I want want that much functionality in them. I just want to get at the data I'm after with the minimum of fuss. I have a very low patience threshold, so if I'm browsing for something using a search engine I'll try a link and wait about 5 or 10 seconds. If it doesn't look like anything is going to come up, because it's too busy loading some elaborate applet, Flash presentation, or complex frame based layout, then tough, I'm off to the next site and if that just has plain black on grey text with no images I really don't care. Likewise with streaming video and things like Real Player. Go to all the hassle of downloading a separate application, go through a couple of arcane and butt ugly registration screens, and still nothing happens? Forget it. Completely and utterly pointless. Technology is not the answer. It's a problem in search of an answer (sic). Keep it simple, keep it sweet. My machine in the office runs old software, NT4 and QuickTime 3. Heck, it doesn't even have a sound card! It does have access to a high bandwidth, always on internet connection though. If I'm ever tempted to watch a web video, what do I do? Download a .MOV, save it to disk, then once a week or so take in my shiny Titanium PowerBook, transfer the files across, and watch it at home. I wonder what that does for browser statistics? :-) Anyways, that was just to say that I was quite heartened that the signal/noise ratio has improved so much without degenerating too much into platform wars of whichever kind. -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth, Square Box Systems Ltd, Stratford-upon-Avon UK. Maintainable Java programming tips - http://www.squarebox.co.uk/javatips.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:35:01 -0500 From: "ifmp" To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: OT- MPEG-4 Message-ID: <200103082107.f28L74I130624@q4.quik.com> RE: ---------- >From: "Crittenden, Jan" >To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'" >Subject: OT- MPEG-4 >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:04:38 -0500 >I am doing a bit of research on MPEG4 and am looking to find anyone that is >currently using this technology and how you are using it. ------------ That's a huge topic, because MPEG-4 is an object-oriented structured "environment" for a variety of media types. Individual things that have been accepted, like C-sound and the whole synthetic audio thing, some ways of compressing and wrapping video, and so on, are not really the main show. There are parts of the standard dealing with streamed 3D objects and control of 3D objects too, but the important thing is to realize this is an overall layered environment that multiplexes all kind of media elements. Video codecs sit along with others in a compression layer, each of which can have content management schemes, and so forth. Its actually quite a bit like QuickTime, and probably best grasped by those who have been working with that kind of structure to do more than just run a single strand of audio or video. On the level of individual a/v components, there's a bunch of audio stuff that has been done at MIT, there is the VRML97+ stuff, the various video implementations like the MS one, DIVX, and Sorenson, but these are just subsets, and early ones at that. Steve Bennett www.ifmp.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:39:06 -0500 From: Keith To: DV Mailing List Subject: OS X pricing of FCP Message-ID: I've heard that OS X versions of software, being complete rewrites, will be priced accordingly. In other words, no upgrade price from the OS 9 version to the OS X version, just a straight, full-version/full-price charge. Does anyone know this to be true? I personally can not afford to spend ANOTHER $999 for a brand new OS X license of FCP. It'd be OS 9 for me for a looooooooonnnnng time if that turns out to be the case. Thanx, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -0500 From: To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Blood in, blood out Message-ID: Return-Path: Received: from icmail.icinteractive.com (mail2.rightsize.com [65.161.70.1= 5]) by buckpalace.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP MX 1.0] id f28HEv612765; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:14:57 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.65]) by icmail.icinteractive.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 534-60220U100L100S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:09:12 -0800 Received: from KevLand1@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id q.e5.34e4463 (10052) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:13:19 -0500 (EST) From: KevLand1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:13:18 EST Subject: Blood in, blood out To: DV-L@dvcentral.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Precedence: bulk What? This html stuff is a little hard to sort through. If possible, would you consider posting in plain text :=A2 ) j"keep the spilled blood to a minimum' merser PS Oh, BTW, some content would be kinda cool too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:34:01 -0500 From: "ifmp" To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Bryce Resolution Message-ID: <200103082205.f28M5XI43958@q4.quik.com> RE: ---------- >From: "Conall Pendergast" >To: DV-L@dvcentral.org >Subject: Bryce Resolution >Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2001, 11:54 AM >If I render my Bryce footage at 720x540, will it look acceptable when >projected theatrically? ---------- Gee, not necessarily. For DV, try using 720 by 534 (because its 6 lines short), and then putting this into a 720 by 480 comp in After Effects. Then, scale it to fit the comp with "collapse transformations" on. That's to squash your square pixels down to DV rectangular pixels BEFORE you output, not DURING output. You don't want 540 or 534 lines which are then just compacted down into 480, which will look horrible. Then there's the "projected theatrically" part. Is this a video projection, or on film? If its film, why output as video at all, unless they are being combined with some kind of existing video footage that is also being transferred? If this is a simple question of whether Bryce is capable of making material that will "fit in" with live video material, or look realistic enough to use in a "movie", then yes it is, if used well. Steve Bennett www.ifmp.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:29:24 -0500 From: Franz Hespenheide To: DV-L@DVCentral.org Subject: Terran Media Cleaner EZ in Adobe Premiere 6.0 Message-ID: <3AA815D4.90281CFF@erols.com> I just got back from the Matrox Demo tour where the Adobe Rep showed that Premiere 6.0 INCLUDES Terran Media Cleaner EZ for creating web streaming output. I had never heard that about the product before. Makes the product worth even more. Franz Hespenheide Gaithersburg, MD franz@videobiz.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:36:01 -0800 From: "Fred Greissing" To: Subject: Seeking programmer Message-ID: Hi I am seeking a programmer familiar with the After Effects API and file format preferably in the LA area. I am working on several productivity tools for the program of all programs and making both Windows and Mac versions. If interested send me an e-mail. mailto:singfred@cvhsa.com Fred Greissing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:45:47 EST From: Triglyph@aol.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Message-ID: <9a.111e0b9c.27d981bb@aol.com> I do this all the time from my friends BetaSP deck. It's just an ordinary BetaSP playback deck. On the back it has a SVHS (y/c) connector which goes into my Canon Elura y/c connector. Not all Beta decks have a y/c connector, so you'll have to check first. Great results. Also, many of my Beta tapes are as old as the ones you mention. I've never had a problem with them. I orginally tried to have them done at a dub house and I was surprized at how many dub houses could not handle mini-DV (and this in in Los Angles). I'm sure many more of them do now, but when I inquired, it turns out they weren't really doing anything much different from what I was doing so there would have been no improvement in quality. This is why I went for the Elura rather than buy a digitizing card: more portable but you can do it the same way if you wanted. If the Beta deck only has Betacam outputs (Y,Cr,Cb), I don't know what you would do. I looked into adapters/converters but I abandoned that approach. good luck, b. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:58:51 -0700 From: "Richard H. Heeren" To: "DV -L Organization" Subject: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Message-ID: Every time Bryan "bc" Castles (bc@version3.net) posts to the DV-L list, his posts ask for things like "read requests", and more seriously, his last post below tried to automatically connect to the internet and download some kind of program or IE extension. I have now set my email reader to permanently delete all Bryan "bc" Castles posts and he will be completely ignored by me even if he has something meaningful to post. :-( Richard H. Heeren, Consultant Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer! -----Original Message----- From: Bryan "bc" Castles [mailto:bc@version3.net] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:10 PM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: OT- MPEG-4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:10:30 -0700 From: "Richard H. Heeren" To: "DV -L Organization" Cc: Subject: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Message-ID: Every time Bryan "bc" Castles (bc@version3.net) posts to the DV-L list, his posts ask for things like "read requests", and more seriously, his last post below tried to automatically connect to the internet and download some kind of program or IE extension. I have now set my email reader to permanently delete all Bryan "bc" Castles posts and he will be completely ignored by me even if he has something meaningful to post. :-( Richard H. Heeren, Consultant Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer! -----Original Message----- From: Bryan "bc" Castles [mailto:bc@version3.net] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:10 PM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: OT- MPEG-4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:17:24 -0500 From: "Christopher Van Nest" To: Subject: RE: OT- MPEG-4 Message-ID: Hi Jan, In case you haven't had a chance to see it yet, eMedia magazine just had an article about MPEG4: "Whatis It Good 4: Encoding and Applying MPEG 4" by Jeff Sauer at http://www.emedialive.com/features/feature1.html It might give you some ideas of who else to ask. FWIW, we're still in the dark ages using RealVideo here (just kidding--RV is pretty good at what it does) and haven't delved into MPEG4 ourselves yet. But it looks promising and maybe we'll investigate once it and tools for it mature. But first we have to budget for that new DVC200 ;-). BTW, I don't think there's any problem discussing it here. You mentioned "OT" and, as mentioned, anyone can just delete it, setup an OT filter in their e-mail, etc. -Christopher ____________________________ Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV http://www.freesport-tv.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Crittenden, Jan [mailto:CRITTENDENJ@PANASONIC.COM] > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:05 PM > To: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org' > Subject: OT- MPEG-4 > > > Hello all, > > I am doing a bit of research on MPEG4 and am looking to find > anyone that is > currently using this technology and how you are using it. While > I recognize > that this is a DV list, I was hoping that some of you guys/gals > might be in > the bleeding edge of DV-MPEG-4 encoding. If you are working in > this domain > and willing to talk about what you are doing, please email off > list, unless > there is consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. Bertel? > > Thanks for the patience with the off topic, > > Jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 02:29:17 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: videotaping powerpoint presentations Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010309020511.02152640@mail.dvcentral.org> At 07:09 PM 3/7/01 -0500, Mike wrote: >a much cheaper alternative is to just ask the speaker for a copy of the >presentation afterwards, the slides can be output and edited together with >the presentation on your NLE. (This is only cheaper mind you for those of >us whose time and effort is very cheap) I don't think it's a question of how cheap. It simply is a question of quality. Combining the audio of the speaker with speaker closeups, wide shots, audience reactions (especially, applause, or laughter when he cracks a joke) and the original slide output edited in from the original makes for the best product. Also, quite often speakers manage to overload slides, how hard PowerPoint may try to prevent it. If you can't read the slide from the first row of the room, a VGA-2-NTSC transform will just make it worse. Cutting the actual slide in as a still won't improve it either but (whisper) you have a chance to clean up the slide, remove clutter, increase the typeface, pan down as the speaker goes through his bullet points, or perform other dirty tricks to stop the fool who made the slide from making your client look bad. I never tell them, and I never had any complaints that I touched their slides. I had complaints though - from the speaker - if the slide was not readable in the video, because it was a crappy slide in the first place. All you want to hear from your client is "Didn't I look good on that video?" All is fair in love, war, and business. BS. PS: I work for large companies who - grudgingly - can afford the money for 3 cameras and extra editing. If you don't work for larger companies, or if they don't have the money, you scale down. Sometimes, if it's a worthwhile presentation, it's worthwhile to invest extra money just to have it on your reel. It might just land you the job with the larger companies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:05:39 -0600 From: "Bryan \"bc\" Castles" To: Subject: RE: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Message-ID: And I give a shit too. BTW: not that you are reading... but not all. = I only forget on occasion from home. And three posts to the list is not exactly less traffic than my read receipts. Maybe you should realize tha= t not every lives just this list. I have a VERY valid reason for read receipts. Posts like yours are just another reason why the unsubscribe r= ate is up. BTW: if anyone else got this IE extension (that was not font related) request for download, I'd be interested in knowing more about what you ar= e seeing. Bryan Castles Version3 __________________________________________________ Changing the Internet, one website at a time. Professional Web Design =95 Affordable Web Hosting http://www.version3.net __________________________________________________ Every time Bryan "bc" Castles (bc@version3.net) posts to the DV-L list, his posts ask for things like "read requests", and more seriously, his last post below tried to automatically connect to the internet and download some kind of program or IE extension. I have now set my email reader to permanently delete all Bryan "bc" Castles posts and he will be completely ignored by me even if he has something meaningful to post. :-( Richard H. Heeren, Consultant Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer! DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:14:26 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010309025817.03010390@mail.dvcentral.org> At 06:10 PM 3/8/01 -0700, Richard wrote: >Every time Bryan "bc" Castles (bc@version3.net) posts to the DV-L list, >his posts ask for things like "read requests", and more seriously, his >last post below tried to automatically connect to the internet and >download some kind of program or IE extension. I have now set my email >reader to permanently delete all Bryan "bc" Castles posts and he will be >completely ignored by me even if he has something meaningful to post. I went through a bunch of Bryan\"bc\" Catstles' posts, and could see no untoward activity. I have a pretty nervous firewall which complains if there's strange activity. All I could see is the occasional "The sender has requested notification that you have seen this" When I see this, my mail reader gives me the choices "Now" , "Later", "Never", and "Cancel." I always, as a rule. chose "Never." And that's it for that guy. No more complaints. If I indulge the guy and allow the return receipt, my mailreader attempts to access an IP address, which is the IP of my mailserver, at port 110. Port 110 is the standard listening post of a POP mailserver. There is nothing insidious to that either, it simply sends back the receipt. Having said that, it is pretty braindead to request a return receipt for each message posted to the list and read by a list member. And it is highly discouraged. We don't need to exchange msgs by registered mail, return receipt requested. I only do that when I send something to the IRS, not to my friends & neighbors. I have notified Bryan that his stay on this list will be shortened if he continues requesting receipts. I have his setting at never and won't be bothered. If anybody else gets bothered by any future return receipts requested by Brain - or anybody else on that list for that matter - let me know. Appropriate steps will follow. BS. DV-L Taskmaster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:21:38 -0600 From: "Bryan \"bc\" Castles" To: Cc: "DV-L@dvcentral. Org" Subject: RE: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Message-ID: I didn't get a warning, unless you considered your public message as such. Further more, yeah... read receipts are kind of a pain if you don't want them... but the endless bitching on the list is far worse. No thanks, if you have the time to manually unsubscribe me, go for it. Otherwise, I'll take care of it later tonight. There are some useful posts on the list... but not enough to warrant attacks, or childish intentional misspellings of my name. Thanks, but no thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@dvcentral.org] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:14 AM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) At 06:10 PM 3/8/01 -0700, Richard wrote: >Every time Bryan "bc" Castles (bc@version3.net) posts to the DV-L list, >his posts ask for things like "read requests", and more seriously, his >last post below tried to automatically connect to the internet and >download some kind of program or IE extension. I have now set my email >reader to permanently delete all Bryan "bc" Castles posts and he will be >completely ignored by me even if he has something meaningful to post. I went through a bunch of Bryan\"bc\" Catstles' posts, and could see no untoward activity. I have a pretty nervous firewall which complains if there's strange activity. All I could see is the occasional "The sender has requested notification that you have seen this" When I see this, my mail reader gives me the choices "Now" , "Later", "Never", and "Cancel." I always, as a rule. chose "Never." And that's it for that guy. No more complaints. If I indulge the guy and allow the return receipt, my mailreader attempts to access an IP address, which is the IP of my mailserver, at port 110. Port 110 is the standard listening post of a POP mailserver. There is nothing insidious to that either, it simply sends back the receipt. Having said that, it is pretty braindead to request a return receipt for each message posted to the list and read by a list member. And it is highly discouraged. We don't need to exchange msgs by registered mail, return receipt requested. I only do that when I send something to the IRS, not to my friends & neighbors. I have notified Bryan that his stay on this list will be shortened if he continues requesting receipts. I have his setting at never and won't be bothered. If anybody else gets bothered by any future return receipts requested by Brain - or anybody else on that list for that matter - let me know. Appropriate steps will follow. BS. DV-L Taskmaster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:39:16 -0500 From: Bertel Schmitt To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: How to expedite unsubscriptions Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010309033630.01b5ba70@mail.dvcentral.org> At 08:21 PM 3/8/01 -0600, someone, no longer on this list, wrote: >Further more, yeah... read receipts are kind of a pain if you don't want >them... but the endless bitching on the list is far worse. No thanks, if >you have the time to manually unsubscribe me, go for it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:55:19 -0600 From: Chris Hurd To: DV-L@DVCentral.org Subject: Canopus DVStorm certified by Adobe for Premiere 6 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010308203302.00c90ca0@dvinfo.net> Howdy from Texas, Adobe gave its blessing to the Canopus DVStorm Premiere 6 drivers earlier today. Expect certification for other Canopus NLE boards to follow shortly. In my opinion, the DVStorm is as good as it gets on the PC side of non-linear editing; with real-time color correction, real-time output over FireWire, and real-time Premiere 6 integration. Thanks, Adobe and Canopus! Chris Hurd San Marcos, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: Charos To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Bryce Resolution Message-ID: <20010309030521.94831.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> I render and post at 720x480. It has a few geometric distortions, but looks good (imho), and is simple to work with. Do not compress until you have to - work uncompressed for short animation sequences, and use a good DV compressor for long sequences. It can be difficult to mix the DV and uncompressed footage, as the DV stuff will show noticible crud against the uncompressed footage. Good luck with your project. - Bill Carpenter Athena Productions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 19:14:28 -0800 From: h2ofun@h2ofun.net (Dave Campbell) To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org" Subject: Best price Dv/dvcam tapes? Message-ID: <3AA84A94.DA83908F@h2ofun.net> Looking for the best price to get so full size DV and DVCAM tapes. Tape Resource has them for 27 and 40. I want to tape HDTV onto these tapes so I need to get them as cheap as possible. Would consider puchasing a decent batch if I can really get the price down. Thanks dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam Message-ID: <20010309033830.18926.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> Six years isn't old for Betacam. I had occasion to pull some shots recently from some stuff I shot near the end of 1990. No problems at all. Tapes have all been stored under good conditions, rewound all the way, in their cases, climate controlled. --- Triglyph@aol.com wrote: > I do this all the time from my friends BetaSP deck. > It's just an ordinary > BetaSP playback deck. On the back it has a SVHS > (y/c) connector which goes > into my Canon Elura y/c connector. Not all Beta > decks have a y/c connector, > so you'll have to check first. Great results. > > Also, many of my Beta tapes are as old as the ones > you mention. I've never > had a problem with them. > > I orginally tried to have them done at a dub house > and I was surprized at how > many dub houses could not handle mini-DV (and this > in in Los Angles). I'm > sure many more of them do now, but when I inquired, > it turns out they weren't > really doing anything much different from what I was > doing so there would > have been no improvement in quality. This is why I > went for the Elura rather > than buy a digitizing card: more portable but you > can do it the same way if > you wanted. > > If the Beta deck only has Betacam outputs (Y,Cr,Cb), > I don't know what you > would do. I looked into adapters/converters but I > abandoned that approach. > > good luck, > b. > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L > Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, > http://www.videoguys.com, > http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the > contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: > http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: > http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:41:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bill To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: RE: Bryan "bc" Castles Posts (Read requests and other serious problem coding of his posts) Message-ID: <20010309034112.9545.qmail@web4004.mail.yahoo.com> I didn't get anything unusual. --- "Bryan \"bc\" Castles" wrote: > And I give a shit too. BTW: not that you are > reading... but not all. I > only forget on occasion from home. And three posts > to the list is not > exactly less traffic than my read receipts. Maybe > you should realize that > not every lives just this list. I have a VERY valid > reason for read > receipts. Posts like yours are just another reason > why the unsubscribe rate > is up. > > BTW: if anyone else got this IE extension (that was > not font related) > request for download, I'd be interested in knowing > more about what you are > seeing. > > > Bryan Castles > Version3 > > __________________________________________________ > Changing the Internet, one website at a time. > > Professional Web Design • Affordable Web Hosting > > http://www.version3.net > __________________________________________________ > > > Every time Bryan "bc" Castles (bc@version3.net) > posts to the DV-L list, > his posts ask for things like "read requests", and > more seriously, his > last post below tried to automatically connect to > the internet and > download some kind of program or IE extension. I > have now set my email > reader to permanently delete all Bryan "bc" Castles > posts and he will be > completely ignored by me even if he has something > meaningful to post. > :-( > > Richard H. Heeren, Consultant > Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer! > > DV-L archive at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:36:40 -0800 From: "Robert C. Fisher" To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring. Message-ID: <3AA85DD8.926C1DC8@pacbell.net> Scott Sanders wrote: > Anyone know if this is possible? I talked to a tech at Apple today. While > he said that you could buy a Pioneer A03 and put it in a older G4 Mac and > use it with DVD Studio Pro He didn't know if it would work on a Powerbook G4 > with the DVD-R ATA hooked up to a Powerbook using a Firewire Drive bay. > Anyone think this would work? > > Thanks, > Scott By May or June a company will be offering a firewire version of the Pioneer DVD-R Drive. I talked at length to a cmpany rep at MacWorld and they said it will work with iDVD software by the time it is released. The company is CDCyclone, I think they make the Riva CD drives. This solution should work with the G4 Powerbook. The reason it will be June or May is availability of the drives right now Pioneer is only delivering to Apple and Gateway I think. So as soon as they can manufacture more drives they will go to other oem's and retailers. Cheers Bob Fisher FishPond Digital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:06:46 +0200 From: "Heikki Kaseva" To: Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150 Message-ID: <004b01c0a867$811bbb30$c288e2d4@fideo> Terveisi=E4 Helsingist=E4, Suomesta =3D Howdy from Helsinki, Finland Meill=E4 on lunta kaikkialla (-5 celsius) =3D It's Snowwhite here (-5 cel= sius) > Howdy from Texas, > > Paul Darrigo wrote... > > > > I just compared the XL1 and the PD150 side by side. > > The Pd150 was so much stronger as far as color and > > detail... Any feedback from the battlefield? > > The XL1 is 1997 technology. The PD150 came out in > 2000. Three years can be a long time in the evolution > and development of DV camcorders. Technology evolves > during that period; CCD's especially are better than ever. > Comparing a camcorder unchanged since 1997 with > one which was introduced to the market less than a > year ago is going to yield very some clear results. At > this point in time, there's no argument that one is > better than the other... it's obvious. Kind of a moot > point, in my opinion. > > I think a much more interesting comparison will > shape up later this year, when Canon releases > the follow-up to the XL1. The Sony vs. Canon DV > debate will then be on a more even playing field. > I think a much more interesting comparison will shape up next year, when Sony releases the follow-up to the PD150. The Canon vs.Sony DV debate will then be on a more even playing field. I think a much more interesting comparison will shape up year 2003, when Canon releases the follow-up to the X. The Sony vs. Canon DV debate will then be on a more even playing field. I think a much more interesting comparison will shape up year 2004, when Sony releases the follow-up to the PD. The Canon vs. sony DV debate will then be on a more even playing field. so, it's endless story................................... Comparing all camcorders as often as new models comes to the market, is OK. Think, if I drop my camera today, I can't wait long time. I go asab in to the shop and buy new camera. > I've heard that the new Canon is already in the > hands of select beta testers here in the USA. > It's safe bet to assume that Canon takes the > competing Sony DV camcorders seriously. > How their new offerings will measure up to > the new standards set by current cameras, > and what degree of the market share they > will capture, are the issues I'll be particularly > interested in during the coming months ahead. > > Chris Hurd > San Marcos, TX > Heikki Kaseva Helsinki Finland ------------------------------ End of DV-L V1 #789 ******************* -- (cut off when replying)----------------- This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages