DV-L Sun, 11 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 791
In this issue:
re:Super 8 cameras
Re: XL1 vs PD150
RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Avid/FCP/DVD Rental Facilities?
DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Re: Closeup adapters
Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Recommendations for tripod/head
Re: PIIIs or P4s
Licensed Music
Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Re: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Re: Shelf Life of Videotape?
Re: XL1 vs. PD150
Re: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
RE: XL1 vs PD150
Re: PIIIs or P4s
the camera of choice
Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
MPEG-4, was PIIIs or P4s
Re: the camera of choice
RE: XL1 audio sync and other audio questions
Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
RE: XL1 vs. PD150
xl-1 footage
Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Re: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Re: xl-1 footage
RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
cd video
Re: PIIIs or P4s
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
RE: XL1 vs. PD150
RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Re:Super 8
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
RE: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: PIIIs or P4s
Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Analog archival footage to DV
Re: Interactive video CD
Re: Super 8
Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
RE: Analog archival footage to DV
Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Re: OT- MPEG-4
Re: Stella Travel -courtesy of DV-L (was my pc ignorance is
showing)
Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work:
Re: Head Cleaners for Digital Video Cameras
Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
remove me from list
Re: Closeup adapters
9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro
OT: Mac terminal emulators
RE: my pc ignorance is showing
Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
Web Streaming
RE: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro
Re: Web Streaming
Re: Closeup adapters
Re: Cinematographer seeks non linear advice
Re: Closeup adapters
Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work:
Re: Question about Macs and Premiere 6
RE: Web Streaming
Best price Dv/dvcam tapes?
Stella Travel -courtesy of DV-L (was my pc ignorance is showing)
Re: Interactive video CD
Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam
Re: OT cantor's diag. arg (was DV software codecs)
Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring.
RE: NTSC monitor not responding
Re: Bryce Resolution
Unsubscriptions don't work:
RE: Analog archival footage to DV
Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
RE: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
RE: Bryce Resolution
Sony Codecs? was RE: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Re: Cleaner & QT Related question: export from Premiere
FYI: VHS to VCD/Specialty Search Engines
Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam
Re: Terran Media Cleaner EZ in Adobe Premiere 6.0
Re: Cinematographer seeks non linear advice
RE: Maxtor Hard Drives
RE: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
RE: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring.
RE: Sony Codecs? was RE: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Deja Vu - still
More old posts reappearing
Adobe Technical Bulletins
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: Deja Vu? No, ESP!
Re: Deja Vu? No, ESP!
Re: More old posts reappearing
RE: Interactive video CD
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Re: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Re: xl-1 footage
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Re: XL1 audio sync and other audio questions
Re: XL1 vs. PD150
Re: More old posts reappearing
Re: PIIIs or P4s
Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Shelf Life of Videotape?
Re: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Re: PIIIs or P4s
Re: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Re: Shelf Life of Videotape?
2 Problems...
RE: Scratch old disk
Re:
Re: scratchy sound
RE: HDDV????
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:17:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Barry G
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: re:Super 8 cameras
Message-ID: <20010310091720.13956.qmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com>
<>
Like very, very grainy film. I shot a bunch of it,
telecine'd to BetaSP. It was all very noticeably
grainy (and this was shot on high-end cameras, a
Beaulieu 6008PRO, Elmo 1012S-Xl, Chinon Pacific 200
and Minolta XL-84S).
If you shoot a very fine-grain stock, like Pro8/45 or
Pro8/48, it looks a lot like 16mm from a few years
ago. But it costs about as much (or more) to shoot
and telecine Pro8 as it does to shoot and telecine
16mm, so if you want it to look like 16mm, you should
probably just shoot 16mm in the first place.
Pro8 has a place in some productions, because it's a
very different look than DV or 16mm/35mm film.
Whether it looks "better" is an aesthetic choice to be
made per production. Plus the cameras are smaller,
and changing film cartridges is instantaneous, which
are both benefits over most 16mm cameras...
Perhaps the best thing to do is go to their website
(www.super8sound.com) and request a copy of their VHS
demo tape. That'll show you exactly what Pro8 looks
like.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:28:45 -0500
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150
Message-ID:
Why do all these Sony lovers always put down the Canon XL-1. Why are they
so defensive. It's a personal choice one has to make after holding and
shooting with them. The Canon, (which yes I admit I purchased), felt just
like a film camera that I was used to shooting with. It also had
interchangeable lenses which was a must for me.
I am sure the Sony has many features important to people who purchase them
instead. The best camera for someone is the one that will do the best job
for them.
Steve S
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:33:41 -0500
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
Regarding my PD150. I would describe myself as anything but defensive.
Perhaps you mistake our enthusiasm for defensiveness.
EB
-----Original Message-----
From: steve sanacore [mailto:steves@flinet.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:29 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150
Why do all these Sony lovers always put down the Canon XL-1. Why are they
so defensive. It's a personal choice one has to make after holding and
shooting with them. The Canon, (which yes I admit I purchased), felt just
like a film camera that I was used to shooting with. It also had
interchangeable lenses which was a must for me.
I am sure the Sony has many features important to people who purchase them
instead. The best camera for someone is the one that will do the best job
for them.
Steve S
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:34:50 EST
From: Jeffeditor@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Avid/FCP/DVD Rental Facilities?
Message-ID:
Me again...
Looking for phone numbers, URLs, etc of any rental facilities anyone knows of
who rent DVD authoring systems (Sonic Creator or Fusion preferred, Apple
DVD/FCP a possibllity. Looking to rent for a six month project. Will probably
need a DV Cam deck as well.
Thanks,
Jeff Hammond, President
Copper Moon Digital
Arvada, Colorado USA
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:45:09 -0500
From: JohnstonWalt@omf.net (Walt Johnston)
To:
Subject: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Message-ID: <3AA95CF5.30259.65FDD21@localhost>
What is the lowest priced DVcam deck?
I need to record 1 hour 55 minute productions. Mini-DV is only 1
hour long. Is there any Mini-DV deck that records in LP?
_________________________________________________________
Walter & Susan Johnston
OMF International
Kaagapay Video Ministry
"Training the Filipino Church Thru Video"
2250 Loucks Rd., York, PA 17404
Phone (717) 767-5118
www.amdg.com.ph/members/kaagapay
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:15:43 -0500
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: Closeup adapters
Message-ID: <3AAA370F.2A580828@cox.rr.com>
Thanks for the suggestions.
Tried the Hoya +2 on a GL1. Works great, at least for my
purposes. Minimal distortion, decent focus, no noticeable
vignetting. GL1 on a copy stand with lens about 16" from copy
board, have full zoom though and field of view from 9"x12" to
0.5" x 0.7". What's great is 16" of stand-off to light the
material.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:24:08 -0800
From: h2ofun@h2ofun.net (Dave Campbell)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Message-ID: <3AAA3908.6D0422FD@h2ofun.net>
There is a model from japan that has LP mode. I have seen
them for sale on E bay. THey do DV and play VHS.
dave
Walt Johnston wrote:
> What is the lowest priced DVcam deck?
>
> I need to record 1 hour 55 minute productions. Mini-DV is only 1
> hour long. Is there any Mini-DV deck that records in LP?
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Walter & Susan Johnston
> OMF International
> Kaagapay Video Ministry
> "Training the Filipino Church Thru Video"
> 2250 Loucks Rd., York, PA 17404
> Phone (717) 767-5118
> www.amdg.com.ph/members/kaagapay
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:44:01 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Message-ID: <3AAA3DB1.688D8B9F@maui.net>
Hey Gang,
At Maui Community College they are about to complete a new building that
will have a digital media room with 25 PCs. They will have either a
Canopus Raptor card or DVStorm. The two machines being considered are:
Pentium III Dual 1GHz machine Pentium 4 1.5GHz
machine
Asus CUV4X-D Intel
D850GBAL
Two PIIIs 1GHz P4 1.5GHz
512MB SDRAM 512 RDRAM
Mid Tower Chassis Mid Tower
Chassis
The College is a division of the University of Hawaii. There are
several agencies involved in selection of this hardware. We will have
to live with this decision for some time to come.
The computers will be used for other media classes as well, but the main
focus is for teaching DV.
Your comments will be passed along and greatly appreciated, but I need
them quickly. Of particular concern to me is the motherboard. Is Duel
IIIs or a Single P4 better! Help!
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:42:18 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID:
>At 07:28 PM 3/9/01 -0800, Bob wrote:
>>I have 2 Maxtors and sometimes they can be flacky,
>
>Probably the luck of the draw ...
Just replaced my 60 gig Maxtor with a IBM 75 because the Maxtor died
after 3 months.
I have heard of good luck with Maxtor's but I will stick with IBM.
John
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:01:13 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Message-ID: <3AAA41B9.4480383A@maui.net>
Hey Gang,
This is a re-post. My formatting was screwed up, sorry.
At Maui Community College they are about to complete a new building that
will have a digital media room with 25 PCs. They will have either a
Canopus Raptor card or DVStorm. The two machines being considered are:
Pentium III Dual 1GHz machine with Asus CUV4X-D motherboard, 512MB
SDRAM.
The second machine is a single Pentium 4 1.5GHz with Intel D850GBAL
motherboard and 512 RDRAM.
The drives are SCSI at the moment but I'm trying to get that changed to
all IBM IDE 75Gs.
The College is a division of the University of Hawaii. There are
several agencies involved in selection of this hardware. We will have
to live with this decision for some time to come.
The computers will be used for other media classes as well, but the main
focus is for teaching DV.
Your comments will be passed along and greatly appreciated, but I need
them quickly. Of particular concern to me is the motherboard. Is Duel
IIIs or a Single P4 better! Help!
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:55:27 -0700
From: Tom Harvey
To: ""
Subject: Recommendations for tripod/head
Message-ID:
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Hi,
I have been hiking and snowshoeing deep into the Colorado back country and
find my current support system inadequate. I am looking for the highest
quality, lowest weight tripod, pan/tilt head combination to use with my
XL-1. I'm hoping to spend under $2K if possible.
Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Tom Harvey
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Hi,
I have been hiking and snowshoeing deep into the Colorado back country and<= BR> find my current support system inadequate. I am looking for the highest
quality, lowest weight tripod, pan/tilt head combination to use with my
XL-1. I'm hoping to spend under $2K if possible.
Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Tom Harvey
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:47:47 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310155527.02bd6610@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 04:44 AM 3/10/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>Of particular concern to me is the motherboard. Is Duel
>IIIs or a Single P4 better!
(Disclaimer: The initial subject said "PIIIs or P4s with Canopus" and I
intentionally omitted the Canopus part, because I don't have one.)
Duals are definitely better than singles (assuming that you run
W2K). According to published reports
(http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001122/ for instance) , gains of a
(as in one) 1.5 GHz P4 over a (as in one) 1Hz P3 are underwhelming. They
have revved the MMX part of the P4, and Marketing revved their names and
invented stuff like 'NetBurst-Architecture.' The consensus is that the P4
shines in MPEG4 encodes (1.5 GHz P4 nearly twice as fast as 1 Ghz P3) if
the encoder supports the new architecture. That's about pretty much it.
At this point in time, if the choice is between a single P4 and a dual
PIII, _I_ definitely would go for the dual P3. Your system will gain
overall, not just in specialized areas.
You may want to opt of the CUV4X-DLS instead of the -D, because it adds
on-board SCSI and LAN, saving precious slots. Make sure that you get the
latest VIA drivers from the VIA website, if you take that mobo.
My strictly subjective feeling is that working in front of an old,
non-coppermine dual 400 MHz P II is zippier than working with a single
1GHz PIII, but it's just a feeling, and I can't back it up with numbers. I
have PC boxes in all flavors, my favorite is my dual 1GHz
http://www.asus.com/products/motherboard/Pentiumpro/Cur-dls/index.html .
Next is my old dual 400 MHz Supermicro with the GX chipset. And only
then my 1GHz single CPU boxes. I have passed-up so far on the single P4's.
One thing to consider is RDRAM. RDRAM is expensive, and reviews have been
down on it, because using RDRAM didn't result in much overall gains.
Editing video is a highly specialized memory intensive exercise, and here,
RDRAM really helps. But you want dual channel RDRAM ( single channel:
zzzzzz ) and the highest speed possible ( $$$$ ).
Nick owns a dual channel RDRAM box, I yield to him for more info, and an
impact analysis on editing & RDRAM.
If money is no object, the best combo would be a dual 2 Ghz P4 with Quad
channel RDRAM ... and hopefully for $500. If we live long enough, we'll see
it. The way things go, you are running the risk of RDRAM being orphaned by
DDR, but that's another story. Never look to far into the future when
buying a new system ....
Parting remarks: Watch that power supply, especially with the P4, which is
a power oinker. Notify Maui Electric if you buy the P4, they might use it
to finally push their Waena plant through, if they haven't already.
BS - Dreaming about Koali, while in Drizzledorf, Germany
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:13:14 -0800
From: Lori & David Tango
To:
Subject: Licensed Music
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010310075649.00a893b0@mail.flashcom.net>
At 12:10 AM 03/10/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>how to properly
>license music for your projects.
I have purchased music from two sources on the web so far, romeomusic.com
and The Music Bakery. Of the two, Romeo is less expensive and far more
pedestrian (or "canned"), whereas Bakery is more expensive, contemporary
and hip.
While I was a bit disappointed with my Romeo CD when it arrived, turns out
that this kind of predictable, "old fashioned" stuff can sometimes be quite
appropriate for certain projects.
For example, here is a Public Service Announcement I filmed on behalf of
the digital video community called "How To Capture." The music is from
Romeo's CD #6, "Jazz & Rock Styles."
HOW TO CAPTURE (DSL/Broadband for Real Player, 7.86MB)
http://randomfilm.com/streams/How_To_Capture.rm
HOW TO CAPTURE (28/56K for Real Player, 1.78 - 3.50MB)
http://randomfilm.com/streams/Capture_Part1.rm
http://randomfilm.com/streams/Capture_Part2.rm
http://randomfilm.com/streams/Capture_Part3.rm
-David Tango
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:50:00 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Message-ID: <008901c0a97b$cae12c40$6401a8c0@design1>
The lowest cost DV/DVCAM deck that uses full size cassettes is the Sony
DSR-11. The street price is a little over $2000. You want to avoid LP mode
altogether. There is no guarantee that tapes recorded in LP mode will play
in any other camera or deck. If you have the heads replaced or the deck
aligned LP tapes that were working may no longer play. Even with LP the only
tapes that would allow you to possibly reach the 1 hr. 55 min. mark would be
the 80 min Panasonic tapes. On those the tape is thinner and more fragile.
Combining extra thin tape with LP mode is just asking for trouble. On the
other hand DVCAM uses more tape per minute which reduces the risk of dropout
or playback problems. The full size cassettes will allow up to 184 min in
DVCAM mode which exceeds your requirements.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Johnston"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:45 PM
Subject: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
> What is the lowest priced DVcam deck?
>
> I need to record 1 hour 55 minute productions. Mini-DV is only 1
> hour long. Is there any Mini-DV deck that records in LP?
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Walter & Susan Johnston
> OMF International
> Kaagapay Video Ministry
> "Training the Filipino Church Thru Video"
> 2250 Loucks Rd., York, PA 17404
> Phone (717) 767-5118
> www.amdg.com.ph/members/kaagapay
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:02:37 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Message-ID: <008a01c0a97b$caf99640$6401a8c0@design1>
Jon,
At this time there is no contest. Go with the dual PIII-1GHZ processors. The
1.4 GHz P4 is roughly equivalent to a single PIII-1GHz in processing power.
You can reference www.tomshardware.com for more information about the P4's
shortcomings. I'd definitely wait at least another 6-12 months before even
considering any P4 system. Let someone else be the beta testers we both know
dual PIII computers and DVStorms play well together. Spend the extra money
on more ram. Beta testers worry, fret, reboot, and pull their hair out. Who
needs it? As Canopus says, "Just Edit".
Buy what works perfectly today. Promises in this business are too often
broken.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Burkhart"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:01 AM
Subject: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
> Hey Gang,
> This is a re-post. My formatting was screwed up, sorry.
>
> At Maui Community College they are about to complete a new building that
>
> will have a digital media room with 25 PCs. They will have either a
> Canopus Raptor card or DVStorm. The two machines being considered are:
>
> Pentium III Dual 1GHz machine with Asus CUV4X-D motherboard, 512MB
> SDRAM.
>
> The second machine is a single Pentium 4 1.5GHz with Intel D850GBAL
> motherboard and 512 RDRAM.
>
> The drives are SCSI at the moment but I'm trying to get that changed to
> all IBM IDE 75Gs.
>
> The College is a division of the University of Hawaii. There are
> several agencies involved in selection of this hardware. We will have
> to live with this decision for some time to come.
>
> The computers will be used for other media classes as well, but the main
>
> focus is for teaching DV.
>
> Your comments will be passed along and greatly appreciated, but I need
> them quickly. Of particular concern to me is the motherboard. Is Duel
> IIIs or a Single P4 better! Help!
>
> Aloha,
> Jon Burkhart
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:20:23 -0400
From: Daniel Goldschlager
To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: Shelf Life of Videotape?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010310122023.00ebd3ac@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net>
Jeff, there's a list for media preservation professionals called
Media-matters, which is moderated by Jim Lindner of Vidipax, one of the
best known magnetic media rescuers. You'll find there excelent contributors
that will point you in the right direction for reliable white papers and
the latest on magnetic media. The url follows:
http://www.topica.com/lists/AV-Media-Matters/
As a loader of magnetic media up to 3/4" and duplicator for a Cinematheque
and the National Film Archives here I can tell you though that no technical
paper can anticipate what you'll find when you receive the actual tapes. I
dub daily 1" programs that were warehoused 15 years ago. Some of them,
which were originally recorded in consecutive days in different brands of
tape and after one playback were shelved in the same place, show very
different condition. Firstly, different brands show marked different
tendency to become mouldy, and I am talking of tapes that were stored side
by side. Secondly, nobody knows how long the tapes were shelved and what
kind of transportation and storage they received before they were recorded.
We receive 15 year old tapes in excellent shape and 5 year old tapes that
shed or with hydrolized binders.
I don't know why you are thinking of dubbing to BetaSP but as other
listmembers I think digital is the way to go. If the project doesn't
justify Digibeta think D9 or DVCPRO50 as high quality alternatives, or
DVCPRO25 and DVCAM as the lowest cost digital formats (we don't consider DV
sturdy enough for archival purposes). While I seem to be the only
listmember here that agrees with Jan Crittenden that DVCPRO's MP tape is
better than ME DVCAM for multiple playbacks and archival purposes(and have
enough hard data to confirm this) DVCAM has more supporters here.
>Does anyone have a professional, credible, quotable source (a web site,
>perhaps) that concerns the number of years it takes various videotape-based
>formats to start to disintegrate? I'm pitching a project that requires
>transfers from 1" and 3/4" stock that is upwards of 15 years old to another
>format (probably Beta SP), and I need some stats to back up my proposal.
>Thanks in advance for any in
-----------------------------
Daniel Goldschlager
Director
Duplicorp, Caracas, Venezuela
Voice: (58212) 261-5546
Fax: (58212) 264-4367
Cel: (016) 630-0643
duplicorp@altavista.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:34:35 -0500
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: Re: XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
Maybe it was me being defensive..... sorry.
Good weekend to all.
Steve S
> From: "E Berlin"
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:33:41 -0500
> To:
> Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
>
> Regarding my PD150. I would describe myself as anything but defensive.
> Perhaps you mistake our enthusiasm for defensiveness.
>
> EB
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:16:11 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s with Canopus
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310120518.01b0df78@mail.speakeasy.org>
>will have a digital media room with 25 PCs. They will have either a
>Canopus Raptor card or DVStorm. The two machines being considered are:
>
>Pentium III Dual 1GHz machine with Asus CUV4X-D motherboard, 512MB
>SDRAM.
>
>The second machine is a single Pentium 4 1.5GHz with Intel D850GBAL
>motherboard and 512 RDRAM.
The Raptor would probably do slightly better with a single P4, but the
Storm is designed to eke out every bit of CPU time it can get to assist in
RT functions so a dual P3 would be better *today*. Not sure I'd recommend a
Raptor anyway over generic OHCI, and it still isn't _quite_ approved for
(or shipping with) Premiere 6 (but should be soon).
>The drives are SCSI at the moment but I'm trying to get that changed to
>all IBM IDE 75Gs.
Right. SCSI is way overkill for DV systems. Instead I'd sell them on a
separate video drive and maybe cheap 5400rpm removable 1394 drives. Ours
works great with the Storm and we can take it home at night.
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:29:58 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: XL1 vs PD150
Message-ID:
While I'm not a Sony lover and was seriously considering the XL1 or GL1
after reading about all the issues with the audio clock rate I'm going to be
going with a VX2000.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: steve sanacore [mailto:steves@flinet.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:29 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150
Why do all these Sony lovers always put down the Canon XL-1. Why are they
so defensive. It's a personal choice one has to make after holding and
shooting with them. The Canon, (which yes I admit I purchased), felt just
like a film camera that I was used to shooting with. It also had
interchangeable lenses which was a must for me.
I am sure the Sony has many features important to people who purchase them
instead. The best camera for someone is the one that will do the best job
for them.
Steve S
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:34:08 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s
Message-ID: <383550474.984245648122.JavaMail.root@web147-mc>
Bertel,
What's the scoop on MPEG4? Does MPEG4 compress video better? Are any of
the players (WMP, QT, Real) using it yet? How about HDTV broadcast? Will
it supercede MPEG2? Thanks.
------Original Message------
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: March 10, 2001 3:47:47 PM GMT
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s
At 04:44 AM 3/10/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>Of particular concern to me is the motherboard. Is Duel
>IIIs or a Single P4 better!
(Disclaimer: The initial subject said "PIIIs or P4s with Canopus" and I
intentionally omitted the Canopus part, because I don't have one.)
Duals are definitely better than singles (assuming that you run
W2K). According to published reports
(http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001122/ for instance) , gains of a
(as in one) 1.5 GHz P4 over a (as in one) 1Hz P3 are underwhelming. They
have revved the MMX part of the P4, and Marketing revved their names and
invented stuff like 'NetBurst-Architecture.' The consensus is that the P4
shines in MPEG4 encodes (1.5 GHz P4 nearly twice as fast as 1 Ghz P3) if
the encoder supports the new architecture. That's about pretty much it.
At this point in time, if the choice is between a single P4 and a dual
PIII, _I_ definitely would go for the dual P3. Your system will gain
overall, not just in specialized areas.
You may want to opt of the CUV4X-DLS instead of the -D, because it adds
on-board SCSI and LAN, saving precious slots. Make sure that you get the
latest VIA drivers from the VIA website, if you take that mobo.
My strictly subjective feeling is that working in front of an old,
non-coppermine dual 400 MHz P II is zippier than working with a single
1GHz PIII, but it's just a feeling, and I can't back it up with numbers. I
have PC boxes in all flavors, my favorite is my dual 1GHz
http://www.asus.com/products/motherboard/Pentiumpro/Cur-dls/index.html .
Next is my old dual 400 MHz Supermicro with the GX chipset. And only
then my 1GHz single CPU boxes. I have passed-up so far on the single P4's.
One thing to consider is RDRAM. RDRAM is expensive, and reviews have been
down on it, because using RDRAM didn't result in much overall gains.
Editing video is a highly specialized memory intensive exercise, and here,
RDRAM really helps. But you want dual channel RDRAM ( single channel:
zzzzzz ) and the highest speed possible ( $$$$ ).
Nick owns a dual channel RDRAM box, I yield to him for more info, and an
impact analysis on editing & RDRAM.
If money is no object, the best combo would be a dual 2 Ghz P4 with Quad
channel RDRAM ... and hopefully for $500. If we live long enough, we'll see
it. The way things go, you are running the risk of RDRAM being orphaned by
DDR, but that's another story. Never look to far into the future when
buying a new system ....
Parting remarks: Watch that power supply, especially with the P4, which is
a power oinker. Notify Maui Electric if you buy the P4, they might use it
to finally push their Waena plant through, if they haven't already.
BS - Dreaming about Koali, while in Drizzledorf, Germany
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:46:22
From: "Marcus Lowenhaupt"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: the camera of choice
Message-ID:
To anyone interested, I'm making a miniDV film with the hopes of transfering
to VHS for festival showings. I hope the film to be a showcase for what I
am capable of, to either help me find a job in the filmmkaing industry or to
raise funds for my second feature. What's an easy-to-use miniDV camcorder
that will do the job, has excellent picture and audio quality, and is not
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:53:59 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
I have owned and used both. I have also used them side by side many times so
I can compare the two "styles".
Before I go any futhure I want to say that their is absolutely NO ADVANTAGE
in using DVCAM compared to DV. I have had more problems with DVCAM than with
DV. I always buy the top of the line tapes. Next that Sony DV cameras have a
noisy image and this is also due to Sony doing so deliberately so as to
separate their DV stuff from higher end gear. I have always tweaked the
hidden internal settings to improve the noise level. Sony Cameras are also
designed more for an Amateur and Event user so they are very good on battery
power, but this results in more noise in the image. You will notice a trace
of noise even in perfect lighting conditions. The Sony image is sharper and
as such is more of a "video" image. The Canon is practically noiseless even
in very low light. If you like to shoot with very characteristic light with
a lot of deep shadow areas and atmosphere forget the Sony cameras, I have
always found that they have noise in shadow areas and handle contrast in a
rather crude way. Skin tone is critical (mainly because we are humans and
recognize natural skin tone). I always used the Canon for close ups. The
Canon has a slightly less sharp image, but in a sense it mimics the slightly
blended color tones of film. As far as ergonomics they are all crapy, but
the Canon is the worst. Snazzy design lousy ergonomics. One real plus for
the Canon is the great color rendition in the eye piece and it is so much
easier to focus. Manual zoom on the Canon makes it easy to repeat shot at a
given focal length. In my opinion the best setup is the Canon.
I have also noticed that when manipulating the image of both cameras in post
production the Sony artifacts before the Canon image. The Canon can however
have some artifacts on very fast movements, but being fast you will not
notice them. PD150,s balanced audio to me seems really quite useless in the
digital world. I would have liked to see a better DV connector and not the
Sony connector that is very flaky. The Canon has the same sized connector,
but it is more robust. The Canon is also a very strong Camera. I've dropped
one right on a concrete floor, not a scratch, but I don't recommend
experimenting this kind of thing. The Canon lacks analogue video input, but
also has multiple audio tracks.
Keep in account that my experience is on PAL cameras.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: E Berlin [mailto:eberlin@thejgroup.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 5:34 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Regarding my PD150. I would describe myself as anything but defensive.
Perhaps you mistake our enthusiasm for defensiveness.
EB
-----Original Message-----
From: steve sanacore [mailto:steves@flinet.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:29 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150
Why do all these Sony lovers always put down the Canon XL-1. Why are they
so defensive. It's a personal choice one has to make after holding and
shooting with them. The Canon, (which yes I admit I purchased), felt just
like a film camera that I was used to shooting with. It also had
interchangeable lenses which was a must for me.
I am sure the Sony has many features important to people who purchase them
instead. The best camera for someone is the one that will do the best job
for them.
Steve S
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:57:45 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: MPEG-4, was PIIIs or P4s
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310183941.03d98ec0@popserver.panix.com>
At 12:34 PM 3/10/01 -0500, John wrote:
>What's the scoop on MPEG4? Does MPEG4 compress video better? Are any of
>the players (WMP, QT, Real) using it yet? How about HDTV broadcast? Will
>it supercede MPEG2? Thanks
Since this topic appears to carry a political charge, and since many equate
MPEG4 with Windows Media, and since I don't want to awaken a simmering
inferiority complex by focusing on MPEG-4 without extolling the virtues of
other technologies, I'll stay out of this topic, and let others answer it.
Our always well informed and right-on-the-money Dave Haynie said just a few
days ago: "I don't believe we can settle on a single CODEC for broadband,
but MPEG-4 is definitely at the top of the list these days. I would guess
just about anyone else in the market will have an MPEG-4 strategy in the
next year or so, unless the major content providers all line up behind
something else. From the view of internet vs. dedicated delivery, MPEG-4
may be even more compelling, because it's already out there.
It's damn shame Microsoft sees a need to balkanize the MPEG-4 world by
using proprietary bits (transport wrappers, etc) -- there's enough
proprietary stuff out there already. And we're certainly dealing with that,
but ultimately, video people, distributers, and consumers will benefit from
a digital/broadband world that's just as interoperable as the analog world
has been."
Very well said.
How about HDTV broadcast? I don't have the slightest idea. If the
broadcasters continue treating HDTV the way they do now, they won't have to
worry either, because they are quickly heading towards a use it or lose it
scenario.
Will it supercede MPEG2? Not the foggiest idea either. Again, Dave is the
resident expert, and If I were you, I'd rely more on his opinion in these
matters than on mine.
As you can tell, I'm bowing out.
BS
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:00:28 -0500
From: "Phil Pratt"
To:
Subject: Re: the camera of choice
Message-ID: <003501c0a98b$fe812a40$e8661a42@triad.rr.com>
Depends what you mean by "not too expensive". You could probably get a
not-too-used Sony TRV900 on ebay for about $1400-1500. If $3400 is not too
much, go with the PD 150 or it's cheaper version without balanced audio
in -- the VX 2000.
Phil
to either help me find a job in the filmmkaing industry or to
> raise funds for my second feature. What's an easy-to-use miniDV camcorder
> that will do the job, has excellent picture and audio quality, and is not
> that expensive? Thank you.
> messages
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:56:12 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: XL1 audio sync and other audio questions
Message-ID:
Hello all,
I just encountered the XL1 sync problem and I have been doing this for a
couple of years now! I was surprised when it happened, because I always read
about it and it never happened to me, so I thought it never would in the
future. But it did and I used the John Burkhart(C) method of shaving and
shifting a few frames and it worked out fine. (Thanks, John).
Am I right in assuming that recording in 32kHz is exacerbating the problem?
I have been using the wireless more lately and perhaps that is why I am
getting this problem, using the extra tracks.
Also, I am currently using a Samson UM1/UT1 combo. This seemed to work well
in the past, but now I am getting hiss all the time. New batteries. So I
turned the input down. Hiss went away, but then so did the signal. Does
using this with the MA-100 shoulder pad with XLR's help, or hurt?
Does anyone else successfully use this combo? If so, at what settings on
Samson unit and XL1?
Also, has anyone used a wired PZM (boundary) mic during production? If so,
what do you recommend that may work well with the XL1?
Thanks,
Derek "I will never again rely on the on-camera mic" Loranger
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:03:11 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Message-ID: <1010310100321.8119bc9.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1312845@mail.promax.com>
Walt Johnston Wrote
>What is the lowest priced DVcam deck?
>
>I need to record 1 hour 55 minute productions. Mini-DV is only 1
>hour long. Is there any Mini-DV deck that records in LP?
The DSR-11 is the lowest priced DV/DVCAM deck available that will record
up to 4.5 hours on a 184 minute DVCAM tape in DV mode. We stock them and
offer them at $2295. Great deck with lots of features. DON'T USE LP and
DON'T USE 80 MINUTE TAPE. We have heard of numerous problems with both.
Thanks,
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:04:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID: <20010310180415.24480.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
I agree--I don't think most people put down other
cameras, but it's natural to think the one you fell
for is the best thing since the electric coffee
grinder.
Each manufacturer's camera has a different look and
different features as well as deficiencies, and some
people get excited over one or the other.
One thing about the Canon interchangeable
lenses...I've used broadcast cameras with
interchangeable lenses for many years but have never
changed the lenses, and I know quite a few people who
have XL-1's who also don't buy different lenses. I was
wondering what additional lenses people are buying for
the XL-1--ie., wider angle lenses, prime lenses, etc.?
--- E Berlin wrote:
> Regarding my PD150. I would describe myself as
> anything but defensive.
> Perhaps you mistake our enthusiasm for
> defensiveness.
>
> EB
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve sanacore [mailto:steves@flinet.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:29 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150
>
>
>
>
> Why do all these Sony lovers always put down the
> Canon XL-1. Why are they
> so defensive. It's a personal choice one has to make
> after holding and
> shooting with them. The Canon, (which yes I admit I
> purchased), felt just
> like a film camera that I was used to shooting with.
> It also had
> interchangeable lenses which was a must for me.
>
> I am sure the Sony has many features important to
> people who purchase them
> instead. The best camera for someone is the one that
> will do the best job
> for them.
>
> Steve S
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:35:56 -0800
From: "Chris"
To:
Subject: xl-1 footage
Message-ID: <001501c0a988$9034ce00$c67d1e18@we.mediaone.net>
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i was woundering if anyone might have some clips of footage that they =
shoot with the xl-1 on there computer if you do i would like to see them =
because i am thinking about getting a xl-1 and would like to see what =
the quality looks like
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i was woundering if anyone might have = some clips of=20 footage that they shoot with the xl-1 on there computer if you do i = would like=20 to see them because i am thinking about getting a xl-1 and would like to = see=20 what the quality looks like
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:10:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Message-ID: <20010310181043.24765.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
I think the lowest cost DVCAM deck that gives you full
size cassettes would be either the DSR20 or the DSR11.
The 11 is cheaper but I'm not sure if it takes full
size cassettes.
You might consider renting a camera like the DSR250
that uses 3 hour DVCAM tapes.
--- Walt Johnston wrote:
> What is the lowest priced DVcam deck?
>
> I need to record 1 hour 55 minute productions.
> Mini-DV is only 1
> hour long. Is there any Mini-DV deck that records
> in LP?
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:21:29 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID: <00f601c0a98f$582dfc00$6401a8c0@design1>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Greissing"
> PD150,s balanced audio to me seems really quite useless in the
> digital world.
How can you make such a statement Fred?
All sound that you record in a live situation is in fact analog. You've got
to plug a mic in somewhere and a balanced input is far better than those
little mini-plugs on most other consumer or prosumer models.
The bottom line to the which camera is better discussion always winds up
being the one that fits your needs the best. There's no clear cut winner or
there would only be one camera selling out there in any given price range
and that's not the case.
Walt
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:29:07 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: xl-1 footage
Message-ID: <010401c0a990$021836e0$6401a8c0@design1>
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Chris you'll never see the quality difference on anything more than a =
still frame or two on the web. If your monitor is not properly balanced =
you can't even judge them there if you have full resolution images. The =
best way to compare is to look at the cameras you want to compare on a =
high quality TV monitor using at least the s-video input.
Walt
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chris=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: xl-1 footage
i was woundering if anyone might have some clips of footage that they =
shoot with the xl-1 on there computer if you do i would like to see them =
because i am thinking about getting a xl-1 and would like to see what =
the quality looks like
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Chris you'll never see the quality = difference on=20 anything more than a still frame or two on the web. If your monitor is = not=20 properly balanced you can't even judge them there if you have full = resolution=20 images. The best way to compare is to look at the cameras you want to = compare on=20 a high quality TV monitor using at least the s-video input.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 = 12:35=20 PM
Subject: xl-1 footage
i was woundering if anyone might have = some clips=20 of footage that they shoot with the xl-1 on there computer if you do i = would=20 like to see them because i am thinking about getting a xl-1 and would = like to=20 see what the quality looks = like
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:31:50 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID: <1010310103200.8132fee.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1313191@mail.promax.com>
Bill Wrote
snip
>One thing about the Canon interchangeable
>lenses...I've used broadcast cameras with
>interchangeable lenses for many years but have never
>changed the lenses, and I know quite a few people who
>have XL-1's who also don't buy different lenses. I was
>wondering what additional lenses people are buying for
>the XL-1--ie., wider angle lenses, prime lenses, etc.?
snip
Most XL1 buyers stay with the same lens that it ships with.
About 20% or so buy the Canon Wide Angle lens - (About $1295)
Less than 5% buy the Manual lens (About $1795) and even less purchase
prime lenses which requires the EOS adapter ($495 plus prime lens).
Most people find that adding a WD-58 (.7x) wide angle adapter($195) to
the fixed GL1 lens gives them the flexibility they need. Same is true for
adding this same lens to a VX2000, PD150, and DSR-250.
FWIW
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:33:35 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID:
On 3/9/01 9:42 PM, ZEN99@aol.com got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Hi - I have a dual processor G-4 and am contemplating putting a Maxtor 40 or
> 60 gig ATA 7200 rpm hard drive into it to run Final Cut Pro on. CompUSA has
> them fairly reasonable. Appreciate hearing anyone's experience with this or
> other hard drives for the G-4 dual processor.
Hello John,
I do not own a Maxtor, but have read consistently about horrible user
experiences.
Keith
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:34:51 -0500
From: "Robert Cionni"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: cd video
Message-ID:
Can someone tell me how to set adobe 5.1 to format my edited videos so they
will play well off a cdrom. I am using a sony digital studio desktop and a
dv camcorder that is captured as avi files. Thanks
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:37:28 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s
Message-ID:
On 3/10/01 10:47 AM, Bertel Schmitt got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> If money is no object, the best combo would be a dual 2 Ghz P4 with Quad
> channel RDRAM ... and hopefully for $500.
If money were no object, then why only for $500??
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:42:18 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310133737.01b0e068@mail.speakeasy.org>
>I do not own a Maxtor, but have read consistently about horrible user
>experiences.
Enough.
The reason is because Maxtor enjoys a MUCH larger market share, so
naturally they are also mentioned in a much larger number of trouble posts.
But unless you guys have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think it
would be safe to say the failure rates for Maxtors vs. IBMs or Seagates are
probably just about the same.
Additionally, cheap Maxtors are purchased in mass quantities at the local
Best Buy by legions of the unwashed who are naturally more susceptible to
(mostly minor) troubles.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:56:41 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <1010310105651.8148e5e.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1313341@mail.promax.com>
Joe Parker Wrote:
Last I read of market share IBM was first followed by Seagate and then
Maxtor.
Maxtor caters to OEMs and by nature the Dells and Gateways want
everything at lowest cost possible which I think ends up driving quality
down due to cost reduction programs. Something gives and it is usually
quality.
We ship hundreds of drives per month and shifted to IBM for a number of
reasons which #1 was the fact they failed less often. #2 is their
firmware was the best of all (error handling), #3 their electronics
worked with longer than 15 inch cables more reliable than any others.
FWIW
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
>
>>I do not own a Maxtor, but have read consistently about horrible user
>>experiences.
>
>
>Enough.
>
>The reason is because Maxtor enjoys a MUCH larger market share, so
>naturally they are also mentioned in a much larger number of trouble posts.
>But unless you guys have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think it
>would be safe to say the failure rates for Maxtors vs. IBMs or Seagates are
>probably just about the same.
>
>Additionally, cheap Maxtors are purchased in mass quantities at the local
>Best Buy by legions of the unwashed who are naturally more susceptible to
>(mostly minor) troubles.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:10:12 -0500
From:
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
One of our many intelligent DV-L list professionals asked:
>One thing about the Canon interchangeable
>lenses...I've used broadcast cameras with
>interchangeable lenses for many years but have never
>changed the lenses, and I know quite a few people who
>have XL-1's who also don't buy different lenses. I was
>wondering what additional lenses people are buying for
>the XL-1--ie., wider angle lenses, prime lenses, etc.?
I bought the 3X to complement the stock 16X.
I change lens ALL the time. The 3X rocks for
close in stuff and the 16X does the far away. Now, I want
that EOS adaptor and one of those huge Canon 35mm'ers
for really LONG distance.
Tonight I have a rock video shoot
with America's "bad ass." I'll bring both lens,
but the 3X is the one I'll use
(unless the stick me in the back of the hall ;)
jmerser
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:12:23 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
Charles wrote, regarding XL1 lens purchases:
Less than 5% buy the Manual lens (About $1795) and even less purchase
prime lenses which requires the EOS adapter ($495 plus prime lens).
=====================
I will bet that many XL1 users, such as myself, covet the Manual lens, and
wish they could justify the extra cost for a product that was not available
as an option when they purchased the XL1.
We are all simply still saving for it.
FWIW,
Derek "just bought a Century .6x WA adapter and happy about it" Loranger
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:18:14 +0800
From: Mark Hopkins
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re:Super 8
Message-ID: <3AAA45B7.9FA427D4@san.rr.com>
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>ut if video (VHS, DVD, video projection) are you final destination,
well
shot DV, sprinkled with film look, will pass muster and only a tiny
fraction
of very well informed and trained observers will notice the difference
IMHO
(like most of this list - however they are not most of the free world
and
your intended audience)<
Thanks for the resonse Stephen. My main intentions are to produce really
cool and unique wedding documentaries with Super 8 mixed in with DV.
I've used Cinelook and it looks pretty damn good though rendering is a
pain in the butt. So I guess what I really want to know is if Super 8
with the Pro8 film stocks will give me better results? I've never shot
film but I am a professional still photographer and I love the way film
looks. For my weddings I don't plan on shooting more than 100' of
Super8. I will probably be doing this on a Canon 1014 xl camera--not
Beaulieu. Also, I will be charging more for these documentaries too,
but my whole concept is offering real film for wedding documentaries. I
am sure there might be asmall upscale market for this.
Thans,
Mark Hopkins
www.hopkinsproductions.com
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:35:54 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <007a01c0a999$67b353f0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
I do not get this -- are you saying that failure to shower frequently has an
adverse effect on the life of a maxtor hard drive?
I would say that unless you have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think
the failure rate would be unaffected by washing habits!
;-)
> But unless you guys have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think it
> would be safe to say the failure rates for Maxtors vs. IBMs or Seagates
are
> probably just about the same.
>
> Additionally, cheap Maxtors are purchased in mass quantities at the local
> Best Buy by legions of the unwashed who are naturally more susceptible to
> (mostly minor) troubles.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:43:08 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310141703.01b0e148@mail.speakeasy.org>
>Last I read of market share IBM was first followed by Seagate and then
>Maxtor.
You forgot to include a link to back up this odd claim, like most of the
rest of this thread. Remember we're talking about desktop systems here, so
let's not just look at overall worldwide sales figures.
Most recent web figures I could find show Maxtor tied with Seagate at 28%
market share, swamping IBM's 10%, but that's from 1997.
http://www.infotechtrends.com/free/data/97Q3/97317010.htm
>We ship hundreds of drives per month and shifted to IBM for a number of
>reasons which #1 was the fact they failed less often. #2 is their
Maybe so. But that doesn't alter the fact that the biggest source of posted
trouble reports about disk drives is from people buying drives on their
own. Not system integrators that have the luxury of testing hundreds of
systems at a time. Companies get a reputation for things for a variety of
reasons and there's no doubt IBM is considered a better drive right now, so
don't for a second think I'm trying to dis them. I just hate to see long
threads spewing unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:03:57 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID:
Maxtor and IBM, I have both and both are good. Just a couple of points
though.
Always low level format a Maxtor Drive when you install it as it uses a sort
of dynamic set up. I was alarmed when on installing a Maxtor drive I got a
lot of corrupted data when I copied a bunch of stuff to it. This was because
the HD had not marked "bad" sectors. These are not defects, all HDs have
them, but if I understand correctly on Maxtor drives they are set up
dynamically when the HD is formatted the first time.
Since doing a low level format both my Maxtors have worked just fine.
If you are going to use a Maxtor in an external box with a fire wire ide
bridge I would recommend IBM as they are the defacto standard.
I have also heard that Maxtors have a head damping system that can make them
not ideal for real time NLE on long projects. I have not had this problem. I
highly recommend using a Fast Track controller and mirroring.
Fast Track has very intelligent mirroring. When writing to disk data is
written to both drives at the same time, but then when reading files are
read alternately from first one drive and then the other drive. This is
ideal for real-time NLE or compositing in After Effects where more than one
file is read at a given time, plus you get great safety with mirroring.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:42 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
>I do not own a Maxtor, but have read consistently about horrible user
>experiences.
Enough.
The reason is because Maxtor enjoys a MUCH larger market share, so
naturally they are also mentioned in a much larger number of trouble posts.
But unless you guys have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think it
would be safe to say the failure rates for Maxtors vs. IBMs or Seagates are
probably just about the same.
Additionally, cheap Maxtors are purchased in mass quantities at the local
Best Buy by legions of the unwashed who are naturally more susceptible to
(mostly minor) troubles.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:12:58 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <1010310121308.818c270.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1313758@mail.promax.com>
Joe Parker Wrote
>
>>Last I read of market share IBM was first followed by Seagate and then
>>Maxtor.
>
>
>You forgot to include a link to back up this odd claim, like most of the
>rest of this thread. Remember we're talking about desktop systems here, so
>let's not just look at overall worldwide sales figures.
Seagate had excelled in SCSI and has let ATA dwindle in the wind. Look
they have not reach the capacity points that IBM has or Maxtor. IBM was
first to put 15 GB on a platter at 7200 RPM and place five platters in a
one inch high drive for a total 75 GB. Seagate did not chase the OEM ATA
low priced market like Maxtor, Western, and Quantum did. Nor did IBM.
>
>Most recent web figures I could find show Maxtor tied with Seagate at 28%
>market share, swamping IBM's 10%, but that's from 1997.
>http://www.infotechtrends.com/free/data/97Q3/97317010.htm
1997 is a long time ago in terms of disk drive history. IBM has made a
concerted effort to capture a larger part of the market both in SCSI and
ATA. As I said the last time I discussed this with reps was last year and
at that time Seagate was very worried about IBM and sold a large software
division to gain a war chest to stave off IBM. InfoTrend charts do not
break out SCSI, FC-AL, and ATA storage. I would be intersting to see ATA
production of the top four or five.
>
>
>>We ship hundreds of drives per month and shifted to IBM for a number of
>>reasons which #1 was the fact they failed less often. #2 is their
>
>
>Maybe so. But that doesn't alter the fact that the biggest source of posted
>trouble reports about disk drives is from people buying drives on their
>own. Not system integrators that have the luxury of testing hundreds of
>systems at a time. Companies get a reputation for things for a variety of
>reasons and there's no doubt IBM is considered a better drive right now, so
>don't for a second think I'm trying to dis them. I just hate to see long
>threads spewing unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo.
Individuals buy IBM's and Maxtors direct from all kinds of .coms's
without the benefit of a VAR to test them before they ship. I think
listening to the noise on the street including DV-L and other lists is
excellent way of determining quality. It is hard to take a few good/bad
reports but when they consistently show up then there is more or likely a
great deal of truth being published and that is the case from numerous
posts regarding Maxtor. And this does not mean that all Maxtor drives are
bad. Many have had good luck.
FWIW
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:16:28 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310210048.03e0aec0@popserver.panix.com>
At 11:35 AM 3/10/01 -0800, Vizion wrote:
>I do not get this -- are you saying that failure to shower frequently has an
>adverse effect on the life of a maxtor hard drive?
I don't think that Joe tried to establish a relationship between personal
hygiene and MTBF. What I read from his post is that casual handling of
electronics is one of the reasons for breakdowns - and there is some truth
to it. Actually, a lot of HDs have a shortened lifespan, because they were
shipped improperly.
Improper handling, improper cabling etc. do lead to a shorter life. And it
is a known phenomenon, that certain products attract certain users which
result in obscure failure patterns. I'm not at all saying that this is the
case with the Maxtors. I have no data on them. My personal experience is
that IBMs last longer, but even an IBM goes up in smoke if you force in the
power connector the wrong way at 4am (it's possible if you try hard enough)
and turn on the power.
Another thought: There seem to be definite cycles with all manufacturers.
There was a time when Fujitsus were built like a tank. There was a time
when you couldn't go wrong with Seagate (I still have bunches of Barracuda
4's which won't die). Currently, It seems to be IBM's cycle. (BTW, IBM
drives are sold relabeled under other brands also. If I'm not mistaken, at
least one of Maxtor's drives are actually manufactured by IBM).
BS
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:23:14 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PIIIs or P4s
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310212200.03d94df0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 01:37 PM 3/10/01 -0500, Keith wondered:
>If money were no object, then why only for $500??
Because he has to buy 25 of them, and the living on Maui ain't easy,
money-wise.
BS
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:28:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVCam deck -- lowest price unit
Message-ID: <200103102028.OAA25770@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I think the lowest cost DVCAM deck that gives you full
>size cassettes would be either the DSR20 or the DSR11.
>The 11 is cheaper but I'm not sure if it takes full
>size cassettes.
>You might consider renting a camera like the DSR250
>that uses 3 hour DVCAM tapes.
>--- Walt Johnston wrote:
Why get a camera when the DSR-11/20 both use full-sized DVCAM casettes?
MB
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:52:58 -0800
From: Denise Ohio
To:
Subject: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010309125239.009fa4a0@pop.greenapple.com>
Hey, everybody,
A local library has asked me to help them put together a relatively simple
NLE. In addition to some editing, they also want a scanner for negatives
and transparencies of various sizes, and to digitize and manipulate audio.
Finally, they want to compress some of their media files for web use.
We're discussing hardware and software right now. The OS must be Windows
NT. The head tech guy likes Gateway machines and wants a P4 with as fast a
processor as he can get. He doesn't want to talk about Xeon, flatscreen or
dual monitors, scopes, etc., and Macs are out. I suggested he look at some
of the websites of the usual suspects and we discussed the differences
between hardware and software codecs. While he talked a good game, I got
the definite impression he did not want to spend a lot of time messing
about trying to get the thing to work.
Parameters: Reliability, ease of use, inexpensive, Windows NT. The clips
they want to compress and upload probably won't be longer than 30 seconds
and most around 15 seconds.
Given some of the numbers they were mentioning regarding price, I suggested
they look at the Vaio series.
They have a great deal of archival video in varying formats. I suggested
they consider having someone else transfer their archive analog material to
DV. They won't have to make the investment in decks, boxes, and geegaws,
and someone to maintain all of this stuff. Don't get me wrong---I love all
these doodads and want them to buy the dreamiest NLE ever built with all
the fancy decks and a big cushy chair in which to park my behind. But they
have no use for it and they can't afford to have me come in every week to
maintain it. And by "maintain" I mean "play and get paid for it."
---If you disagree with my recommendation, then what kind of Windows NT
combination would you recommend? NLE software is Adobe Premiere, AE, and
Photoshop, audio will have either Cool Edit with add-ons or Sound Forge.
Scanner will be be either one of the CoolScan or Dimage units. Compression
for web use will probably be Terran Media Cleaner EZ or Pro, depending on
how fancy they want to get. Assume they'll be spending about $10,000 for
their hardware/software combination, including deck, cables, rack, etc. Not
much moola.
---Does anyone have a recommendation for a company who can transfer
multiple analog formats to DV? I'd prefer component where possible. Some of
this stuff was shot on VHS and is butt ugly, but some of the 1" isn't too
bad. Given the quality, perhaps we should just go composite to DV?
---Recommendations for DV decks. I have a GV-D300, but I think they need a
little more horsepower. I know the JVC unit has gotten high marks, anyone
have anything else I should go an look at?
---Near-field monitors and sound cards. This is very basic audio mixing
they'll be doing: mostly voice and perhaps a layer of music. they'll need
to do a bit of clean up, but anything beyond the Cool Edit tools will be a
bit more technology than they can handle. I'm not being patronizing, they
told me so. The tech guy wants to stick with the standard Sound Blaster,
but I think they may want to step up a little. Any recommendations?
As always, I yield to your magnificence.
Ohio
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:29:36 -0800
From: "Joseph Karr O'Connor"
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: Interactive video CD
Message-ID: <3AAA8EB0.D20487C5@earthlink.net>
I'm sure there will be some comments about using Director, but you might
want to consider Adobe Acrobat. Just make sure you render/create your
graphics at about 200 DPI -- not at screen resolution of 72 DPI -- so
the end user can zoom in and the graphics will still look good. You can
embed movies, active URLs, audio files, graphics, text, whatever, and
make it all interactive without the steep learning curve of Director.
One other benefit is that for cross platform work you need a Mac and a
Win copy of Director together to make Director projectors for Mac and
Win. Adobe Acrobat is cross platform, way cheaper, and way easier to
use. You need the whole Acrobat suite, of course, not just the freely
distributed Acrobat Reader. Egghead has Acrobat for $223.99 and I'm sure
you can get it cheaper than that. Macromedia Director 8.0 Shockwave
Studio sells for $927.99 at the same place and for cross platform work
you'll need two of them.
Joseph
http://www.blacktelephone.com
Derek wrote:
>If a client asks one of you to create an interactive CD with video on it,
>what would be your steps in creation?
>
>What kind of software would you use?
>
>Interactive as far as having web links and video selection.
>
>Any input would be golden.
>
>Derek
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:03:54 -0500
From: Kat Dalton
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Super 8
Message-ID: <3AAA96B4.2815@clarityconnect.com>
Mark Hopkins wrote:
> For my weddings I don't plan on shooting more than 100' of
> Super8.
Mark,
One problem you'll run into is a minimum charge for transferring the
film to video if you're just shooting a couple of S-8 rolls per wedding.
Or maybe you do enough weddings that you can gang rolls from a number of
them?
For S-8 transfer, I recommend Brodsky and Treadway in Rowley, MA.
978-948-7985. They did an great job for me a few years ago on a S-8
transfer to BetacamSP. At the time, they didn't work with DV, but maybe
they do now or could make a dub via component out of Betacam deck. I
don't remember their min charge. Super8 Sound has a reputation for
charging exhorbitant prices and I've heard bad things about their
customer service (and I've had one bad experience myself).
I've lost touch with what film and processing is available for S-8, but
a few years ago, I found it easier to use 16mm because there are more
film stocks available and it's so easy to get it developed and
transferred. You can send the film off to any number of labs and have
them do a one-light (cheap but acceptable) transfer for you. I think a
half-hour is usually the minimum charge (transfer time, not film time).
Also, you can use much better cameras. Of course I'm assuming these film
sections will be silent. Working with sync sound is much more
complicated all the way down the road. I think you'll find that working
with 16mm isn't much more expensive than working with S-8.
Personally, although I love film, I think I'd rather suffer through the
rendering to make a film look with video. . . since you're talking about
only 5 or so minutes of film/film look per wedding video.
Kat Dalton
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:56:22 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310154203.031546d0@mail.speakeasy.org>
>We're discussing hardware and software right now. The OS must be Windows
>NT. The head tech guy likes Gateway machines and wants a P4 with as fast a
>processor as he can get.
I'd walk out right there. Unless maybe he's talking about NT5 (Win2k). It's
an incredible pain to get NT4 working with video. Or _most_ modern hardware
and software for that matter. Speaking of software, if you must go with
Premiere, don't even consider any version before Premiere 6. Worse than
useless.
If you're just going with OHCI - which would probably be fine for 30 second
clips - any cheap OHCI 1394 card in any computer should work, and a fast P4
would be nice, though at the top of the price curve right now.
Note also that DV isn't a great archival medium. Within the next year or
two we should see DVD recorders with video input which might be a longer
term solution.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:58:21 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID:
On 3/10/01 1:42 PM, Joe Parker got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> The reason is because Maxtor enjoys a MUCH larger market share, so
> naturally they are also mentioned in a much larger number of trouble posts.
> But unless you guys have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think it
> would be safe to say the failure rates for Maxtors vs. IBMs or Seagates are
> probably just about the same.
Um, perhaps I should've saved all the links leading to genuine user
experiences for you. The PERCENTAGE of comments I heard were, roughly, 60%
negative. And that's a conservative estimate. I don't care HOW prolific
their market presence is, if they're any good then I should also have read a
proportionately higher number of comments from satisfied customers. I
haven't.
Enough indeed.
Keith
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:05:17 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID:
Joe Parker said:
It's an incredible pain to get NT4 working with video. Or _most_ modern
hardware
and software for that matter. Speaking of software, if you must go with
Premiere, don't even consider any version before Premiere 6. Worse than
useless.
=====================
Considering that I am making a pretty good living using NT4 and AP 5.1c,
that is a pretty bold statement. And people have been doing it successfully
on a lot less.
I am upgrading to NT5 and AP 6.0, soon, but that will only make me more
efficient, not opening a door to finally being able to edit on a computer
now that NT5 and AP 6.0 are out.
It is way more than useless.
My .02
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:56 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Analog archival footage to DV
>We're discussing hardware and software right now. The OS must be Windows
>NT. The head tech guy likes Gateway machines and wants a P4 with as fast a
>processor as he can get.
I'd walk out right there. Unless maybe he's talking about NT5 (Win2k).
If you're just going with OHCI - which would probably be fine for 30 second
clips - any cheap OHCI 1394 card in any computer should work, and a fast P4
would be nice, though at the top of the price curve right now.
Note also that DV isn't a great archival medium. Within the next year or
two we should see DVD recorders with video input which might be a longer
term solution.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:11:02 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID: <006301c0a9a6$ac5fd200$6401a8c0@design1>
You probably want to convince them that Windows 2000 is just NT5 and go with
that. Under NT 4 you don't get USB support or OHCI support. Based on what
you want, USB for the scanner and OHCI for your DV I/O would be the least
expensive route to go. Premiere 6 has built in DV support with an OHCI board
and a number of Web options that were added since Premiere 5. A lite version
of Media Cleaner is included in Premiere 6 and I've had pretty good luck
with the SoundBlaster Live boards. They are much better than the old AWE64
and earlier boards.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Ohio"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:52 PM
Subject: Analog archival footage to DV
> Hey, everybody,
>
> A local library has asked me to help them put together a relatively simple
> NLE. In addition to some editing, they also want a scanner for negatives
> and transparencies of various sizes, and to digitize and manipulate audio.
> Finally, they want to compress some of their media files for web use.
>
> We're discussing hardware and software right now. The OS must be Windows
> NT. The head tech guy likes Gateway machines and wants a P4 with as fast a
> processor as he can get. He doesn't want to talk about Xeon, flatscreen or
> dual monitors, scopes, etc., and Macs are out. I suggested he look at some
> of the websites of the usual suspects and we discussed the differences
> between hardware and software codecs. While he talked a good game, I got
> the definite impression he did not want to spend a lot of time messing
> about trying to get the thing to work.
>
> Parameters: Reliability, ease of use, inexpensive, Windows NT. The clips
> they want to compress and upload probably won't be longer than 30 seconds
> and most around 15 seconds.
>
> Given some of the numbers they were mentioning regarding price, I
suggested
> they look at the Vaio series.
>
> They have a great deal of archival video in varying formats. I suggested
> they consider having someone else transfer their archive analog material
to
> DV. They won't have to make the investment in decks, boxes, and geegaws,
> and someone to maintain all of this stuff. Don't get me wrong---I love all
> these doodads and want them to buy the dreamiest NLE ever built with all
> the fancy decks and a big cushy chair in which to park my behind. But they
> have no use for it and they can't afford to have me come in every week to
> maintain it. And by "maintain" I mean "play and get paid for it."
>
> ---If you disagree with my recommendation, then what kind of Windows NT
> combination would you recommend? NLE software is Adobe Premiere, AE, and
> Photoshop, audio will have either Cool Edit with add-ons or Sound Forge.
> Scanner will be be either one of the CoolScan or Dimage units. Compression
> for web use will probably be Terran Media Cleaner EZ or Pro, depending on
> how fancy they want to get. Assume they'll be spending about $10,000 for
> their hardware/software combination, including deck, cables, rack, etc.
Not
> much moola.
>
> ---Does anyone have a recommendation for a company who can transfer
> multiple analog formats to DV? I'd prefer component where possible. Some
of
> this stuff was shot on VHS and is butt ugly, but some of the 1" isn't too
> bad. Given the quality, perhaps we should just go composite to DV?
>
> ---Recommendations for DV decks. I have a GV-D300, but I think they need a
> little more horsepower. I know the JVC unit has gotten high marks, anyone
> have anything else I should go an look at?
>
> ---Near-field monitors and sound cards. This is very basic audio mixing
> they'll be doing: mostly voice and perhaps a layer of music. they'll need
> to do a bit of clean up, but anything beyond the Cool Edit tools will be a
> bit more technology than they can handle. I'm not being patronizing, they
> told me so. The tech guy wants to stick with the standard Sound Blaster,
> but I think they may want to step up a little. Any recommendations?
>
> As always, I yield to your magnificence.
>
> Ohio
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:17:43 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID: <007101c0a9a7$acae23a0$6401a8c0@design1>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Parker"
> Speaking of software, if you must go with
> Premiere, don't even consider any version before Premiere 6. Worse than
> useless.
Actually NT 4.0 with a DVRaptor and Premiere 5.1c makes a very useful and
stable system. While I agree that there were other boards that had problems
the Canopus solutions ran very well and still do. I also agree that today
you'd want to go with Windows 2000 and Premiere 6 but it wasn't hopeless
before.
Walt
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:05:55 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT- MPEG-4
Message-ID: <3AA8F153.5F119617@maui.net>
Christopher Van Nest wrote:
> While
> > I recognize
> > that this is a DV list, I was hoping that some of you guys/gals
> > might be in
> > the bleeding edge of DV-MPEG-4 encoding. If you are working in
> > this domain
> > and willing to talk about what you are doing, please email off
> > list, unless
> > there is consensus from the group that this is an okay topic. Bertel?
> >
> > Thanks for the patience with the off topic,
> >
Yeah, Jan I'd like to see the MPEG4 discussions on this list, maybe under OT but it won't be for long, probably.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:37:43 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Stella Travel -courtesy of DV-L (was my pc ignorance is
showing)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010309223350.03f82ec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
Also, DE, it appears as if your mail spent extended time in that very black
hole that must have existed in the Austin area around the 5th and 6th of
March. See "Dupe Control." Same trouble deep in the heart of Texas.
Conspiracy theorists, start your engines. Maybe the NSA rearranged some
wires to funnel more bandwidth in the direction of Crawford, TX.
BS
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:59:21 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work:
Message-ID: <3AA7BA69.BCE20F68@maui.net>
"Richard H. Heeren" wrote:
> Why not write a novel and include it also in the footer all for free
> with each post to the list?
>
Yeah, it must be a full moon, all right.
Aloha,
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:51:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Head Cleaners for Digital Video Cameras
Message-ID: <20010309225124.8551.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
I use Sony DVCAMs and use Sony head cleaning tapes.
Use them ONLY and exactly according to the
manufacturer's recommendations--which in my case is
for no more than 5 seconds. With a Betacam SP camera,
Sony service recommended using the head cleaning tape
after every 50 hours for 5 seconds.
If you've got students switching tape brands with DV,
then that is going to cause problems, as you know. So
you've got to use the head cleaner tape when needed.
However, before you do that, try putting in a new tape
and record about 2 or 3 minutes of black and see if
the gunk clears out. Sometimes it will. In other
words, if a kid brings in a camera in which he's used
a Sony tape and the next kid has a Fuji tape, have him
put the Fuji tape in and record for 2-3 minutes, then
play back and see if the gunk goes away. If not, then
use the head cleaning tape.
Again, be sure to use it only according to
instructions...and you can't rewind it and use it
again. I would definitely not let the students use it.
You can go inside the cameras and clean the heads with
the proper swabs and freon and all, but that's
probably not a good idea if you haven't done it
before.
Another solution might be to see if you can set up a
deal with some tape supplier to give students st a
discount so his tape is the same or cheaper than the
discount stores, and then insist that students only
buy that brand of tape from him.
--- Jenn Strom wrote:
> Hi there -
>
> I'm looking for the best/safest way to routinely
> clean the heads on digital
> cameras in a multi-user school situation.
> We have a Canon GL1 MiniDV camera and a slew of Sony
> Digital8 cameras,
> which in worst case scenario, are used daily by
> different students, using
> different brands of tape. I know that this is
> tape-gunk heaven, but there
> isn't alot we can do to control the fact that
> students use different brands
> of tape in the cameras.
>
> Apparently the head cleaning tapes that are
> available for a VCR, which are
> the consumer standard, actually grind/sand down VCR
> heads, and that it is
> preferable to open the VCR and clean the heads
> manually.
>
> As this is the case with VCRs, is it the same with
> cameras? I know that
> head cleaning tapes are available for cameras, but
> should they be used
> regularily, and if so, how often in a daily use
> situation like this?
>
> Any advice you can share would be much appreciated -
> We are stuck in tape gunk!
> cheers,
> Jenn
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:05:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org (DV-L Mail List)
Subject: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Message-ID: <200103060505.XAA11420@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
In today's mail I get the latest Publishing perfection catalog. Normally
I just toss it, as I'm not getting anything at the moment. But, the
cover art draws my attention... it is the new Pioneer DVD-R drive.
Yep, they are offering it for sale. They don't give a price for the
DVR-A03, only that it is under $1k and to call. Same goes for the media.
Just thought you'd like to know.
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:18:56 -0800
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Subject: remove me from list
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 17:05:34 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Closeup adapters
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010305170221.00c07dd0@139.121.3.10>
At 06:03 PM 3/5/01 -0500 all or part of what DPalomaki wrote included:
>Anyone have any experience using a close-up adapter on camcorders
>such as the GL1, VX2000, XL1, etc.? I see they tend to be very
>expensive for the achromatic variety (e.g., $250 from Century for
>a +2) or modest priced sets of 3 (+1, +2, +4) lenses for around
>$40 - in the 58mm size.
>
>Would appreciate any thoughts about them, quality, distortion,
>limits, brands, etc.
For general use (capturing hardcopy photos, e.g.), I couldn't see any
improvement of the Century +4 over a Hoya +4, Don. I'm sure if you're
trying to do "microphotography" the Century might be better, but in most
cases the Hoyas are a much better value.
Carroll Lam
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:04:18 -0800
From: "Jase Tanner"
To:
Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:55:05 -0500
From: "Don Mitchell"
To:
Subject: OT: Mac terminal emulators
Message-ID: <005a01c0a88f$c9221e60$0164640a@zeus>
There are more Mac users on this list than anywhere else I know. I figure
it's unlikely that Mac users who do DV on their Macs also need terminal
emulators, but that it's possible. If you have personal knowledge of how
well some Mac one works, please reply to me. Surely it should be off-list.
I have a client who wants to use my OpenVMS software and an Alphaserver that
I'll provide, but doesn't want to use either PCs with emulators, or good old
dumb terminals. She wants to use the Macs she has. I'd like to accomodate
her, but my ignorance of Mac emulators is complete (so is hers) and I don't
want to just buy w/o testing or hearing from real users. The only Mac in my
shop is so old [underneath the dust of ages it says "LC"] it doesn't even
have a CD, so I'm not likely to be able to do much testing.
It just has to emulate DEC terminals: VT200, 300, 400, or 500 series. X
would be OK so long as it can do the DEC terminals, but isn't required.
What I'm hoping for is people who've *used* them.
Sorry for the OT.
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:23:44 +0100
From: Rolf Howarth
To:
Subject: RE: my pc ignorance is showing
Message-ID:
At 0:48 -0800 6/3/01, "Richard Taylor" wrote:
>
> Macs are fine if that's what you want... the differences are relative... I
>mean... it's up to you whether you prefer translucent plastic or cold-rolled
>steel.
Neither... titanium :-)
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:37:53 -0500
From: Jennie Horn
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
Message-ID:
Walt, okay, this makes sense. Since I am not buying another camera
anytime soon, my next question is, what are some good "additional"
lenses so that I can get a better variety of looks with my VX1000?
>The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do
>to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the
>factory lens. The XL-1 on the other hand has a lens mount that was designed
>to be user interchangeable much like most 35mm SLR still cameras have. A
>fixed lens system is less costly to build and most users of prosumer gear
>never change or add lenses anyway so most models use that design. The XL-1
>is the lowest cost camera offering removable lenses but for a few dollars
>more you can get a JVC DV-500 which offers even more professional features.
>There's also a new Panasonic camera, DV-200 or something like that, in that
>price range and for a bit more the Sony DSR-300A. All of those cameras all
>use professional interchangeable lenses which are available in many focal
>lengths and zoom ratios.
>
>Walt
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:10:39 -0700
From: Brad Carter
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Web Streaming
Message-ID: <20010307060843.MXAS782.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@localhost>
I have some basic questions about web streaming for you pros. A
co-worker of mine asked me to help him out with an outside from work
production since I know the computer end of things better then he does
(he's the editor while I'm the nerd). His client wants the next shot of
theirs on then web. I have posted my own video clips on the web but not
for streaming. The client says they want it streamed but I assume they
are saying they want the clips to be able to start playing while they
download. If this is the case do I simply encode the clip with say
Sorenson Video with the target data rate that of the viewers connection?
I think this is where I am lost. Which media formats ie: Quicktime,
RealPlayer, or Windows Media require a 'streaming' server for people to
watch this pre-recorded presentation?
Thanks in advance and I hope I made some sense with this.
Brad
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:53:57 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro
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>I have 9.1 working with FCP in the lab here and have not experienced
>any problems. Maybe Charles has something to add?
>
>Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Jase Tanner [mailto:jasetanner@reelwest.bc.ca]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:04 PM
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro
>
>I just purchased a G4, dual 450. I'm about to install Final Cut. I'm
>wondering if I am better of to stay with OS 9.0.4 or to upgrade to
>9.1
Upgrade to 9.01 because it has a better QT codec and new firewire extentions.
Check out this article on 2-pop http://www.2-pop.com/library/index.html
John
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have 9.1 working with FCP in the lab here and have not experienced any
problems. Maybe Charles has something to add?
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Jan
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From: Jase Tanner [mailto:jasetanner@reelwest.bc.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:04 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: 9.0.4 vs.9.1 for dual 450 with Final Cut Pro
right,leftI just purchased a G4, dual 450.
I'm about to install Final Cut. I'm wondering if I am better of to stay
with OS 9.0.4 or to upgrade to 9.1
Upgrade to 9.01 because it has a
better QT codec and new firewire extentions.
Check out this article on 2-pop=20
http://www.2-pop.com/library/index.html
John
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:42:20 -0800
From: John Hemenway
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Streaming
Message-ID:
Take a look at:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qtss/
for a discussion of various 'streaming' standards.
If all you want is the ability to play video within a web page, it's
easy. No special server needed. Just use the embed tag. I have a
small ROUGH sample at:
http://www.santarosa.edu/~jhemenw/videotests/test3.html .
With QTpro and enough server space you'll be all set. I have the
feeling things are similar w/ Real and WMP but I have no personal
experience w/ these.
>
>I think this is where I am lost. Which media formats ie: Quicktime,
>RealPlayer, or Windows Media require a 'streaming' server for people
>to watch this pre-recorded presentation?
>
>Thanks in advance and I hope I made some sense with this.
--
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:16:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Closeup adapters
Message-ID: <20010306151619.15500.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
I've used a +1 diopter before on another camera and
could see no problem. I would definitely spend the 40
bucks to try that route first.
--- DPalomaki wrote:
> Anyone have any experience using a close-up adapter
> on camcorders
> such as the GL1, VX2000, XL1, etc.? I see they tend
> to be very
> expensive for the achromatic variety (e.g., $250
> from Century for
> a +2) or modest priced sets of 3 (+1, +2, +4) lenses
> for around
> $40 - in the 58mm size.
>
> Would appreciate any thoughts about them, quality,
> distortion,
> limits, brands, etc.
>
> My interest is to shoot small objects, but not by
> using the macro
> capability. I need a bit more standoff distance from
> the front
> element then the macro setting provides.
>
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 21:02:54 -0500
From: Gary Bettan
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cinematographer seeks non linear advice
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010306205944.00c52f00@pop3.cris.com>
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At 03:22 PM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
> The requirements
> At least saturation, hue, contrast, and brightness dissolves, and
> titling.(and straight cuts of course) Simultaneous NTSC viewing,Speed.
> All weighed against $$$!
Get the Canopus DV Storm. It costs a bit more (under $1500 after rebate),
but it is worth every penny for the work you need done. The Storm gives you
very powerful real-time filters that will let you make all the adjustments
you need. With a fast machine (1GHz or dual 800+) you will be able to apply
2 or more filters and still stay real-time!!
The DV Storm also gives you the real-time FX and features a more
professional filmaker/ editor needs. PIP, keying, dissolves and titling.
You also get a bunch of other real-time FX.
For more info, check out our website http://www.videoguys.com
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At 03:22 PM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
The requirements
At least saturation, hue, contrast, and brightness dissolves, and titling.(and straight cuts of course) Simultaneous NTSC viewing,Speed. All weighed against $$$!
Get the Canopus DV Storm. It costs a bit more (under $1500 after rebate), but it is worth every penny for the work you need done. The Storm gives you very powerful real-time filters that will let you make all the adjustments you need. With a fast machine (1GHz or dual 800+) you will be able to apply 2 or more filters and still stay real-time!!
The DV Storm also gives you the real-time FX and features a more professional filmaker/ editor needs. PIP, keying, dissolves and titling. You also get a bunch of other real-time FX.
For more info, check out our website http://www.videoguys.com
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:38:39 -0500
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Closeup adapters
Message-ID: <3AA6AA5F.734B274A@cox.rr.com>
> I have the Hoya set and find it acceptable for non-critical work. The lenses
> do show chromatic fringing so a small degree, so I wouldn't recommend them
> for a fussy client's project.
Thanks. I wonder how the Canon 500D or 250D achromatic diopter
would work? I asked but no one at the Canon DV hotline has tried
it on GL1 or XL1.
Has anyone here tried them?
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:24:22 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Most popular reasons why unsubscriptions don't work:
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308091743.02f87008@mail.speakeasy.org>
>That's why adding a line to your footer to read
>"IF YOU HAVE CHANGED ISP'S, PLEASE ASK FOR HUMAN INTERVENTION AT __@__"
>would be a useful addition.
I've seen this on other lists. Something like 'Still can't unsub? Then send
an email to x@x.com'. You could add that they should put 'unsub' on the
subject line to make filtering easier. At least that should stop them from
sending the requests to the whole list.
Or we could try initial AND periodic IQ tests. Answer this question or you
will be unsubbed automatically: 'Who's buried in Grant's tomb?' 'How much
is 2+2?' 'Describe in detail the process of filtering list messages to a
separate mailbox' ...
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:36:38 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Question about Macs and Premiere 6
Message-ID:
Sounds like Adobe Online trying to see if there are any updates to
the software available. You can disable this under the Help menu, if
memory serves. (Not in the office just now.)
--Mike Jennings
>Let's see if anyone out there has the solution:
>
>I've got a MAC G4 DP 450, MAC OS 9.1.
>Additionally, it has a Miro DC30+ for analog video capture.
>
>I Installed Premiere 6, and when I start it, a call is done to the default
>remote access site I've got selected.
>The only way to avoid this is to disable the modem, in which case the call
>is not done, although I guess that the system tries to (i'm not sure, but I
>guess)
>
>Any idea of what's going on? Is the Miro board the possible cause of this?
>
>Thanks for any help you could give me.
>
>Cheers
>Esteban Wiaggio
>La herradura, Granada
>Spain
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:01:29 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: Web Streaming
Message-ID:
For some general (and perhaps unbiased?) info on streaming, check out
http://www.terran.com/CodecCentral/. I haven't really checked out their new
site yet, but they used to have quite a bit of info and even examples of
streaming vs. download and different players compared. At least check out
the "Introduction" tab to see if you need/want to read more.
BTW, this link may also apply to the thread(s) about CD-ROM development, as
they cover Cinepak, Sorenson, Indeo, and MPEG-x.
-Christopher
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Carter [mailto:bcarter@mac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:11 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Web Streaming
>
>
> I have some basic questions about web streaming for you pros. A
> co-worker of mine asked me to help him out with an outside from work
> production since I know the computer end of things better then he does
> (he's the editor while I'm the nerd). His client wants the next shot of
> theirs on then web. I have posted my own video clips on the web but not
> for streaming. The client says they want it streamed but I assume they
> are saying they want the clips to be able to start playing while they
> download. If this is the case do I simply encode the clip with say
> Sorenson Video with the target data rate that of the viewers connection?
>
> I think this is where I am lost. Which media formats ie: Quicktime,
> RealPlayer, or Windows Media require a 'streaming' server for people to
> watch this pre-recorded presentation?
>
> Thanks in advance and I hope I made some sense with this.
>
> Brad
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 19:14:28 -0800
From: h2ofun@h2ofun.net (Dave Campbell)
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Best price Dv/dvcam tapes?
Message-ID: <3AA84A94.DA83908F@h2ofun.net>
Looking for the best price to get so full size DV and DVCAM tapes.
Tape Resource has them for 27 and 40. I want to tape HDTV onto
these tapes so I need to get them as cheap as possible. Would consider
puchasing a decent batch if I can really get the price down.
Thanks
dave
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:57:16 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Stella Travel -courtesy of DV-L (was my pc ignorance is showing)
Message-ID: <009201c0a8d3$37c07720$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Now what happened here - I posted this on the 6th -- how come it takes until
the 9th -- it looks (from the headers as though this one has gone all around
the country -- it has had enoughntime to go around the milkie way!!
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: my pc ignorance is showing
> Hi guys lets not let this erupt in platform wars.
>
> Experienced people will know it is not the platform you use it is the
> combination of creativity skill, experience and talent that the user
brings
> to it.
>
> No matter what application/platform/OS is used{ Mac OS, Linux, Win
2000, ---
> FCP, Premiere, After Effects, 3D Studio Max 3 (one of my favourites on the
> PC) etc etc}experienced people know you can finish up producing miracles
or
> crap on every platform with equal panache!!
>
> So to twist the subject slightly -- let us say lack of experience and
> humility is showing if anyone claims anything to the contrary!
>
> DE
>
> >
> > Mac diehards, realize this.
> >
> > The Mac is better for editing video, and a number of other things. I
> agree.
> > I came about this close to buying a G4 this weekend to replace my PC so
I
> > could use FCP.
> >
> > However, the answer to _Everything_ isn't a Mac. Some people use PC's
...
> if
> > his friend didnt want to change platforms, that is reasonable, so
instead
> of
> > trying to change his mind, how about some useful advice, hmm?
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 22:29:03 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Interactive video CD
Message-ID: <3AA4678F.D0F91457@adent.com>
Simple HTML and Javascript do a fine job of interactivity, I have not needed DHTML...my life is complicated enough as it is ;-)
On Windows platforms, HotMedia applets operate within:
IE 3.0 and up
Netscape 3.02 and up (except Netscape 6.0)
AOL 3.0 (32 bit versions only) and up. (AOL does
not support Windows NT.)
On Macintosh platforms, HotMedia applets operate
within:
IE 4.0 and up
Netscape 3.01 and up (except Netscape 6.0)
AOL 4.0 (32 bit versions only) and up. (AOL 3.0
may be used for connection if an external browser
is used.
On other platforms, HotMedia will work with browsers that
support Java Developers Kit (JDK) 1.02a and later.
Granted, it is a simple (and free) approach and you must be dealing with clients who have not disabled either their Javascript or Java. I find these basic requirements to be less obtrusive
than asking clients to install a codec or something. Besides, I can hardly remember when anyone wanted to pay me to write an "interactive CD." They nearly always want something that will
run anywhere. For me, CDROM is virtually a dead medium (and I hope that doesn't make anyone mad...I said "for me"). I still deliver my work (my directories) on CDROM, but the work gets
distributed in many ways (CD being only one and not the most popular one).
mhood
ifmp1 wrote:
> DHTML is a "fair" option for interactive CD stuff. Of course, you bring
> in all kinds of browser and OTHER machine issues too (is Java turned
> off, images?, wrong browser versions?), not to mention JVM issues with
> the HotMedia stuff (or with any Java stuff you toss out to the public).
> You can also output Director projects as Java applets, with (obviously)
> interactivity to match and exceed anything you could do in HotMedia.
> Experienced Java developers can even modify them.
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:57:19 -0800
From: "Jase Tanner"
To:
Subject: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam
Message-ID: <001001c0a79d$051bdcb0$c5ccb4ce@sfu.ca>
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I have number of Sp tapes that are getting old, 6 years for some of =
them. I want to make some DVCam dubs and then load them on to my G4. =
I've also got some mini-DV that I want to capture as well. I need advice =
as to which decks would best give me highest quality. Also need advice =
re procedure. A how to web site or book would be great.
Thanks very much
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:25:14 +0100
From: Rolf Howarth
To:
Subject: Re: OT cantor's diag. arg (was DV software codecs)
Message-ID:
>I think you might mean the pigeon hole principle, which says that "if
>there are more pigeon holes than pigeons, there must be a hole in which
>there is more than one pigeon"... which is different than cantor's
>diag. argument.
>
>cantor's deals with uncountable sets, and neither the set of all RLE
>images or uncompressed images is uncountable.
Nor is the set of all two-hour DV movies even. Gosh. That *is* a
depressing thought. Bang, there goes creatitivity. What's it all
for?? :-(
-Rolf
PS. The pigeon hole principle reminds me of a wonderful exchange of
bug reports I had once with a client who wanted to store a pre-tax
price in pence, then have the program add 17.5% VAT (sales tax) and
come to an arbitrary final cost, pre-determined by marketing. How
many iterations of "it's out by a penny, the rounding is wrong, you
need to round down not up" "no, now this one's wrong, you need to
round UP" do you think the hapless tester and hapless developer
managed to sustain before the mathematician came along and proved
what they were trying to do was impossible? :-) Hey, thinking about
that has cheered me up again already!
PPS. We're talking automobiles here, by the way, in case you were
wondering just how important that penny was...
--
Rolf Howarth, Square Box Systems Ltd, Stratford-upon-Avon UK.
CatDV 1.5.2 - Power tools for logging and cataloguing digital video
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:36:40 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring.
Message-ID: <3AA85DD8.926C1DC8@pacbell.net>
Scott Sanders wrote:
> Anyone know if this is possible? I talked to a tech at Apple today. While
> he said that you could buy a Pioneer A03 and put it in a older G4 Mac and
> use it with DVD Studio Pro He didn't know if it would work on a Powerbook G4
> with the DVD-R ATA hooked up to a Powerbook using a Firewire Drive bay.
> Anyone think this would work?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
By May or June a company will be offering a firewire version of the Pioneer DVD-R Drive. I talked at length to a cmpany rep at MacWorld and they said it will work with iDVD software by the
time it is released. The company is CDCyclone, I think they make the Riva CD drives. This solution should work with the G4 Powerbook. The reason it will be June or May is availability of
the drives right now Pioneer is only delivering to Apple and Gateway I think. So as soon as they can manufacture more drives they will go to other oem's and retailers.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:43:09 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: NTSC monitor not responding
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D7DA@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Under View Menu go to EXTERNAL VIDEO and choose ALL FRAMES. Hopefully this
is the answer.
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Mathew [mailto:jmat28@excite.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: NTSC monitor not responding
>
>
> hi,
> I cant seem to get the external NTSC monitor to funtion
> except during log
> and capture, from which I assume the NTSC monitor works only
> when the VTR is
> playing. How do I get it to work while I'm editing in FCP? My
> settings seem
> to be right. The prefs are set to NTSC firewire 720x480 and
> External Video
> is set to All Frames. I'm using S-video cable to connect the
> VTR to the
> monitor. What am I missing?
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:26:06 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Bryce Resolution
Message-ID:
On 3/8/01 11:54 AM, Conall Pendergast got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> If I render my Bryce footage at 720x540, will it look acceptable when
> projected theatrically?
If you mean a typical movie theatre screen, I'd hafta guess absolutely not.
WAY too low-rez.
Keith
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:11:36 EST
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Unsubscriptions don't work:
Message-ID: <6c.8663d5a.27d93368@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/8/01 1:54:08 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
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<< If you are smart enough to subscribe, you are smart enough to unsubscribe
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Apparently, this is not true.
Believing it is true makes for frustration on your part and of the members,
those who do not want to be on the list and those that are.
All kinds of insults and indigestion (hey, that's sort of a pun) follow.
I suggest that there is something wrong with the procedure. Please consider
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unsubscribe details. If we're smart enough to read it, then maybe we'll bde
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:32:42 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID:
Joe Parker said:
It's an incredible pain to get NT4 working with video. Or _most_ modern
hardware
and software for that matter. Speaking of software, if you must go with
Premiere, don't even consider any version before Premiere 6. Worse than
useless.
=====================
Considering that I am making a pretty good living using NT4 and AP 5.1c,
that is a pretty bold statement. And people have been doing it successfully
on a lot less.
I am upgrading to NT5 and AP 6.0, soon, but that will only make me more
efficient, not opening a door to finally being able to edit on a computer
now that NT5 and AP 6.0 are out.
It is way more than useless.
My .02
Derek
Hey Derek
I'd like to add that NT4 and Premiere 5.1c turned my business around.
Premiere 5 is one of the things that gave me the possibility to persue this
great film making thing without digging into my savings.
I wasn't pissing away my hard earned money on elegant over hyped post
facilities. I am a self tought video guy with years of Photography as a
background. I would also like to say that I got a friend of mine up to speed
on a DV300 NT4 and Premiere 6 and with our first edit together we went off
to win an international film festival and positive comments were made about
the editing, including multi layered compositing done right in little old
Premiere. Incidently second prize was done on a $ 100,000 plus "high end
machine" and they did a nice job too, they were also a multinational
broadcasting outfit.
Premiere 6 and Windows2000 is a great upgrade and learning whats new takes
minutes. I have used and had free access to the "big boxes" and have felt
limited in what I could do compared to the awesome Premiere/After Effects
combo.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:56 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Analog archival footage to DV
>We're discussing hardware and software right now. The OS must be Windows
>NT. The head tech guy likes Gateway machines and wants a P4 with as fast a
>processor as he can get.
I'd walk out right there. Unless maybe he's talking about NT5 (Win2k).
If you're just going with OHCI - which would probably be fine for 30 second
clips - any cheap OHCI 1394 card in any computer should work, and a fast P4
would be nice, though at the top of the price curve right now.
Note also that DV isn't a great archival medium. Within the next year or
two we should see DVD recorders with video input which might be a longer
term solution.
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 05:28:54 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
Message-ID: <3AA7A536.BE2EAD6F@maui.net>
I would only add to Walt's comments that if you consider a camera on the level of a JVC DV-500, Panasonic DV-200 or Sony 250 (all three of which make very good pictures) you will also want
to spend the money for a good lens which can increase the cost by several thousand dollars. The XL1 (I own two of them and love using them) is not in the class of the above cameras.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
Walt wrote:
> The VX-1000/2000 has a permanently attached lens. The only thing you can do
> to modify it's characteristics is to add additional lenses in front of the
> factory lens.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:17:39 -0500
From: "ifmp"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Analog archival footage to DV
Message-ID: <200103102149.f2ALnZV17112@q4.quik.com>
RE:
----------
>From: Denise Ohio
>To:
>Subject: Analog archival footage to DV
>Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2001, 3:52 PM
>A local library has asked me to help them put together a relatively simple
>NLE. In addition to some editing, they also want a scanner for negatives
>and transparencies of various sizes, and to digitize and manipulate audio.
>Finally, they want to compress some of their media files for web use.
>
>We're discussing hardware and software right now. The OS must be Windows
>NT. The head tech guy likes Gateway machines and wants a P4 with as fast a
>processor as he can get. He doesn't want to talk about Xeon, flatscreen or
>dual monitors, scopes, etc., and Macs are out.
-----------
Is this machine supposed to be there primarily FOR the purposes of
capturing, editing, and outputting video and photo negatives and
transparencies?
If so, the "tech" guy's restrictions don't make much sense. Maybe his
skillset/knowledge is limited and he is simply restricting things to
what he feels comfortable with. A Gateway with all the things he's
talking about would be unlikely to be an experienced DV editor or
graphics professional's idea of a "no-nonsense" system. You'd be better
off with an iMac if he didn't want to do any configuring or tweaking -
especially compared to Premiere on NT4 in a Gateway. I notice above, you
said "relatively simple".
-----------
> While he talked a good game, I got
>the definite impression he did not want to spend a lot of time messing
>about trying to get the thing to work.
-----------
Talking a game. Good call. But looking at his recommendations, 'messing
about' is just what he may end up doing.
-----------
>Parameters: Reliability, ease of use, inexpensive, Windows NT.
-----------
Do those concepts necessarily go together, especially trying to work
with DV?
-----------
>---Recommendations for DV decks. I have a GV-D300, but I think they need a
>little more horsepower.
-----------
If the footage is DV format (or even s-video/composite that can come
into the GVD-300), then why? He sounds funny. He needs the fastest
processor, and more "horsepower" in the DV deck (?), but what will
either of these get him when saddled with the REST of his
recommendations?
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:05:02 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
Message-ID: <00a401c0a9ae$41f8c540$6401a8c0@design1>
I'll defer those comments to users with experience in that area. I've heard
that the Century lenses are good.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennie Horn"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
> Walt, okay, this makes sense. Since I am not buying another camera
> anytime soon, my next question is, what are some good "additional"
> lenses so that I can get a better variety of looks with my VX1000?
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:36:54 -0500
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
Message-ID:
The link below will take you to the Digital Series products page at Century
Precision Optics. If you scan it you'll get a very good idea of the basic
range of adapter/converter lenses that are available for the
VX1000/2000/PD150.
EBerlin
http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/video/digital/digital.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 5:05 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
I'll defer those comments to users with experience in that area. I've heard
that the Century lenses are good.
Walt
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From: "Jennie Horn"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Sony VX1000 and VX2000 Lenses
> Walt, okay, this makes sense. Since I am not buying another camera
> anytime soon, my next question is, what are some good "additional"
> lenses so that I can get a better variety of looks with my VX1000?
>
>
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:55:56 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: Bryce Resolution
Message-ID:
I'm not totally sure but I think that IMAX is 3002X2000. Lucas is shooting
his new movies in 1920X1080P I believe which is a progressive version of the
highest resolution HD. DLP theaters are 1280X1024. Just some numbers to
play with.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:yakkei2@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:26 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Bryce Resolution
On 3/8/01 11:54 AM, Conall Pendergast got kicked off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> If I render my Bryce footage at 720x540, will it look acceptable when
> projected theatrically?
If you mean a typical movie theatre screen, I'd hafta guess absolutely not.
WAY too low-rez.
Keith
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:55:57 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: Sony Codecs? was RE: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
Ok if this is true then here is an interesting quesion. How good in quality
are the Sony hardware Codecs? Like the one in the DSR-11 or the DVMC-DA2?
Are they deliberately adding noise to a picture? I have the DA2. How does
it rate. How is the DA-MAX codec in terms of relative quality?
Scott
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From: Fred Greissing [mailto:singfred@cvhsa.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:54 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
I have owned and used both. I have also used them side by side many times so
I can compare the two "styles".
Before I go any futhure I want to say that their is absolutely NO ADVANTAGE
in using DVCAM compared to DV. I have had more problems with DVCAM than with
DV. I always buy the top of the line tapes. Next that Sony DV cameras have a
noisy image and this is also due to Sony doing so deliberately so as to
separate their DV stuff from higher end gear. I have always tweaked the
hidden internal settings to improve the noise level. Sony Cameras are also
designed more for an Amateur and Event user so they are very good on battery
power, but this results in more noise in the image. You will notice a trace
of noise even in perfect lighting conditions. The Sony image is sharper and
as such is more of a "video" image. The Canon is practically noiseless even
in very low light. If you like to shoot with very characteristic light with
a lot of deep shadow areas and atmosphere forget the Sony cameras, I have
always found that they have noise in shadow areas and handle contrast in a
rather crude way. Skin tone is critical (mainly because we are humans and
recognize natural skin tone). I always used the Canon for close ups. The
Canon has a slightly less sharp image, but in a sense it mimics the slightly
blended color tones of film. As far as ergonomics they are all crapy, but
the Canon is the worst. Snazzy design lousy ergonomics. One real plus for
the Canon is the great color rendition in the eye piece and it is so much
easier to focus. Manual zoom on the Canon makes it easy to repeat shot at a
given focal length. In my opinion the best setup is the Canon.
I have also noticed that when manipulating the image of both cameras in post
production the Sony artifacts before the Canon image. The Canon can however
have some artifacts on very fast movements, but being fast you will not
notice them. PD150,s balanced audio to me seems really quite useless in the
digital world. I would have liked to see a better DV connector and not the
Sony connector that is very flaky. The Canon has the same sized connector,
but it is more robust. The Canon is also a very strong Camera. I've dropped
one right on a concrete floor, not a scratch, but I don't recommend
experimenting this kind of thing. The Canon lacks analogue video input, but
also has multiple audio tracks.
Keep in account that my experience is on PAL cameras.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: E Berlin [mailto:eberlin@thejgroup.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 5:34 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: XL1 vs. PD150
Regarding my PD150. I would describe myself as anything but defensive.
Perhaps you mistake our enthusiasm for defensiveness.
EB
-----Original Message-----
From: steve sanacore [mailto:steves@flinet.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:29 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1 vs PD150
Why do all these Sony lovers always put down the Canon XL-1. Why are they
so defensive. It's a personal choice one has to make after holding and
shooting with them. The Canon, (which yes I admit I purchased), felt just
like a film camera that I was used to shooting with. It also had
interchangeable lenses which was a must for me.
I am sure the Sony has many features important to people who purchase them
instead. The best camera for someone is the one that will do the best job
for them.
Steve S
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:24:15 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cleaner & QT Related question: export from Premiere
Message-ID:
>In any case, I must be doing something wrong. I didn't expect the first
>tests to be perfect, but these are really bad. The main problem is the
>fields don't seem in sync: they look like a frame exported to Photoshop before
> you do "de-interlace." Any suggestions for what I might be doing wrong?
>They look great in Premiere or when I export to DV and then to VHS.
Is your source DV? If so (In QT Player Pro- not sure what the
settings are in Premiere)
Get Info (command-I - command-J in QT5).
Choose the video track on the left and high quality on the right.
Check high quality and single field.
Export, resizing to the size you want.
I'd also recommend H263 as a budget codec choice if you don't want to
get into the minutae of Sorenson. Set the quality to Max, the key
frame rate to 20000, and the data rate to what you want, work at
320x240 15fps for NTSC, 384x288 12.5 fps for PAL at about 40-50
kBytes/sec (this is about 300 kilobit, broadband quality). If you
want Video CD quality, use the full framerate and set the datarate to
128.
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:09:27 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: FYI: VHS to VCD/Specialty Search Engines
Message-ID:
There were some recent threads about video CDs-- here's a "Call for Help"
article going over the basics that might be a good intro if you're new to
the idea:
VHS TO VCD
It's a good thing many DVD players support the popular Video CD
format. Now you can archive VHS tapes before they're lost forever. Start by
reading this tutorial and then get to work preserving your collection:
http://tm0.com/sbct.cgi?s=87991677&i=298142&d=967914
-Christopher
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:38:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Need help in dubbing Beta Sp to DVCam
Message-ID: <20010309033830.18926.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
Six years isn't old for Betacam. I had occasion to
pull some shots recently from some stuff I shot near
the end of 1990. No problems at all. Tapes have all
been stored under good conditions, rewound all the
way, in their cases, climate controlled.
--- Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
> I do this all the time from my friends BetaSP deck.
> It's just an ordinary
> BetaSP playback deck. On the back it has a SVHS
> (y/c) connector which goes
> into my Canon Elura y/c connector. Not all Beta
> decks have a y/c connector,
> so you'll have to check first. Great results.
>
> Also, many of my Beta tapes are as old as the ones
> you mention. I've never
> had a problem with them.
>
> I orginally tried to have them done at a dub house
> and I was surprized at how
> many dub houses could not handle mini-DV (and this
> in in Los Angles). I'm
> sure many more of them do now, but when I inquired,
> it turns out they weren't
> really doing anything much different from what I was
> doing so there would
> have been no improvement in quality. This is why I
> went for the Elura rather
> than buy a digitizing card: more portable but you
> can do it the same way if
> you wanted.
>
> If the Beta deck only has Betacam outputs (Y,Cr,Cb),
> I don't know what you
> would do. I looked into adapters/converters but I
> abandoned that approach.
>
> good luck,
> b.
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:40:14 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Terran Media Cleaner EZ in Adobe Premiere 6.0
Message-ID:
>I just got back from the Matrox
>Demo tour where the Adobe Rep showed
>that Premiere 6.0 INCLUDES Terran
>Media Cleaner EZ for creating web
>streaming output. I had never heard
>that about the product before. Makes
>the product worth even more.
>
>Franz Hespenheide
I use EZ with FCP and am very impressed with ease and quality of the
web video or whatever it is called.
John
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:24:16 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cinematographer seeks non linear advice
Message-ID:
At 3:22 pm -0800 6/3/01, Spart@mediaone.net wrote:
>I will need to correct every cut.I am not an editor by trade, and I
>am not Stirraro or John Toll; I am struggling, and not rich. I need
>to balance speed vs cost.
>
> The requirements
> At least saturation, hue, contrast, and brightness dissolves, and
>titling.(and straight cuts of course) Simultaneous NTSC
>viewing,Speed. All weighed against $$$!
>
> The Questions
>1) Do the RT2000, DV500, DC1000/2000 or another reasonably priced
>card, have real time color correction?(sat,hue,cont,bright) [I have
>called, E-mailed, and looked on the web site, and they will not give
>me a straight answer about exactly what real time effects/filters
>are included. Only vague stuff like "many," or "color correction,"
>without exactly which parameters.]
>2) If not, is there a program recommended that will show a fast,
>or realtime lower resolution preview of correction or filtration?
Most systems will do this with a single frame of a sequence at a time
- presumably you want to apply the same parameters to a whole shot?
(even iMovie 2.0 does this - Real Time on a thumbnail, preview render
on a sequence, and an iMovie-capable iMac starts at $899).
FinalCut also has very good colour correction as does AfterEffects.
One thing I would say is wait until next month, as NAB is coming and
most manufacturers will announce new products or pricing there.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:26:57 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID:
Well my "Hard Facts" are that I have had a SeaGate for almost 5 years
running totally smoothly. Same with all my Western Digitals save the one
that was in a computer that was dropped from 3 feet high off a
table....oops. So far every Maxtor Drive I have had (3 so far) has just
warn out and failed to boot up. I personally will never buy another Maxtor
drive again. I'm even considering not buying from Lacie. They used to put
all Quantum drives in their stuff but I heard something about a merger or
something so I'll find out the details of that before I buy any Lacie gear
again. The biggest thing that pissed me off from Maxtor is that my third
drive went back I decided to send it in for repairs. With drive prices the
way they generally are when one failed I just went out and bought another.
But at the rate these cheap Maxtor's were failing. I figured I'd send it in
for warranty repair. I was told that I had somehow tampered with the drive.
They had sent me out a new replacement. Then rejected the warranty on my
old drive as being tampered with! The drive sat inside the computer I
installed it in since taking the drive out of the box. When I placed a call
in to their support they claimed I had packaged it wrong in sending it back
to them. I packed it up in the same box and packing material that I bought
it with. So it's good enough for them to ship it to stores in but not to
ship defective units back? So they billed me for my 4th Maxtor drive. Well
I disputed it with my bank and got my money back. I haven't heard anything
from Maxtor. So I guess the bank told them to piss off. But After this and
the lack of quality in their staff or merchandize I will never buy anything
with a Maxtor drive in it. If I ever find out that the new Macs are
shipping with Maxtor drives in them. I buy the smallest drive I can and
replace it right away. With the amount of time it takes to render a 3D
scene even on the G4s I can't afford to trust my data to Maxtor. Need any
harder proof?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:42 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
>I do not own a Maxtor, but have read consistently about horrible user
>experiences.
Enough.
The reason is because Maxtor enjoys a MUCH larger market share, so
naturally they are also mentioned in a much larger number of trouble posts.
But unless you guys have some hard facts to prove otherwise, I think it
would be safe to say the failure rates for Maxtors vs. IBMs or Seagates are
probably just about the same.
Additionally, cheap Maxtors are purchased in mass quantities at the local
Best Buy by legions of the unwashed who are naturally more susceptible to
(mostly minor) troubles.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:26:57 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Message-ID:
When I called them up to order one of the drives I was told that even though
their in the catalog they will probably not be shipping until some time in
May. CDW hasn't even heard of the drives yet. Their back ordered on the 5K
costing drive at the moment.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Vidiot [mailto:brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:05 PM
To: DV-L Mail List
Subject: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
In today's mail I get the latest Publishing perfection catalog. Normally
I just toss it, as I'm not getting anything at the moment. But, the
cover art draws my attention... it is the new Pioneer DVD-R drive.
Yep, they are offering it for sale. They don't give a price for the
DVR-A03, only that it is under $1k and to call. Same goes for the media.
Just thought you'd like to know.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:27:40 -0600
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring.
Message-ID:
I looked at CDCyclone. Heh I love the look of those cases. This is
definatly how I'm going to go with DVD-R. Thanks for the info!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert C. Fisher [mailto:rcfish@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:37 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Powerbook G4 and DVD Authoring.
Scott Sanders wrote:
> Anyone know if this is possible? I talked to a tech at Apple today.
While
> he said that you could buy a Pioneer A03 and put it in a older G4 Mac and
> use it with DVD Studio Pro He didn't know if it would work on a Powerbook
G4
> with the DVD-R ATA hooked up to a Powerbook using a Firewire Drive bay.
> Anyone think this would work?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
By May or June a company will be offering a firewire version of the Pioneer
DVD-R Drive. I talked at length to a cmpany rep at MacWorld and they said it
will work with iDVD software by the
time it is released. The company is CDCyclone, I think they make the Riva CD
drives. This solution should work with the G4 Powerbook. The reason it will
be June or May is availability of
the drives right now Pioneer is only delivering to Apple and Gateway I
think. So as soon as they can manufacture more drives they will go to other
oem's and retailers.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:43:17 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: Sony Codecs? was RE: Canon compared to Sony DV .Was XL1 vs. PD150
Message-ID:
Hi Scott
Don't get me wrong they are not adding noise to the Camera and it is not at
a codec level. To my knowledge their is a noise reducing chip in the Sony
and Canon cameras and these chips have to be tuned up, calibrated. All I am
saying is that they don't calibrate them as much as they can. I did a very
critical shot once and I wanted it on two cameras and I shot it on the canon
and via fire wire I recorded it on the sony camera via dv in. The footage
had the canon look on both the Sony tape and the Canon tape. These Sony
cameras are little computers and if you fiddle with their "OS" you can do
unusual things. You can turn a TRV900 into a DVCAM camera if you want.
I turned a Sony DRS200 a European DVCAM Camera into a DV Camera.
I have also switched a PAL camera into an NTSC Camera.
Regarding DV hardware codecs, no noise is added by the codec, some may
actually be removed in the compression codec. The DA-MAX is a no compromise
high end product and a very ingenious architecture. I know the engineers
reputation and used the Plum NLE card he designed, I am sure he will not cut
any corners.
Fred
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:53:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org (DV-L Mail List)
Subject: Deja Vu - still
Message-ID: <200103102353.RAA28395@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:41:17 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: More old posts reappearing
Message-ID:
Hi, Bertel!
I noticed that some more old posts have been reappearing on the DV-L
list. I received the information below from another list I am
subscribed to. Could this have anything to do with the reappearance of
old posts on the DV-L???
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
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Message from another list:
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Summary: Problems continue but we have contacted someone who can fix the
problems.
There were more list reflection problems, this time from an associated
Road Runner server in Austin, Texas. We have seen problems from
satx.rr.com (San Antonio, San Angelo, something :-). We have heard that
the problem mail server(s) might include more of Texas and part/all of
Louisiana. We will stay on top of things as best we can, however our
only tool to deal with the problem is to unsubscribe users on the
affected server(s). Chances are they weren't getting any list traffic
anyway.
Thanks to a helpful poster in alt.fan.roadrunner, I was able to get in
touch with a competent technical person with the power to fix the
problems. He assures me that they had a horrible outage and that the
problems should be resolved (by now or soon).
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:41:19 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: Adobe Technical Bulletins
Message-ID:
When I receive a new technical bulletins notification email from Adobe,
and then use their email response mechanism to receive the technical
bulletins by putting the number of the bulletin in the subject line,
most of the time I just get a message back from Adobe saying the
technical bulletins are unavailable. Has anybody else experienced this?
How do you go about getting Adobe's technical bulletins that they say
are available in one email, and then say they are not available in a
reply email when you request the bulletins? Thanks!
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:53:31 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <3AAACC8B.9748C990@adent.com>
I have this urge to mention Micropolis...back in the thermal recalibration days, their AV1991 9GBs were all I bought. The last one died a few months ago...I almost cried. At least they
make great trot line weights...gets that stink bait down deep and keeps it there.
mhood
PS: I just got my second round of duplicate posts...it seems I'm posting way more than I intended to...I really don't deserve all this bandwidth :-)
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> Another thought: There seem to be definite cycles with all manufacturers.
> There was a time when Fujitsus were built like a tank. There was a time
> when you couldn't go wrong with Seagate (I still have bunches of Barracuda
> 4's which won't die). Currently, It seems to be IBM's cycle. (BTW, IBM
> drives are sold relabeled under other brands also. If I'm not mistaken, at
> least one of Maxtor's drives are actually manufactured by IBM).
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:13:44 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Deja Vu? No, ESP!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20000311021319.01d37a00@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:53 PM 3/10/01 -0600, Vizion wrote:
Messages are showing up from January:
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From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: Maxtor Hard Drives
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:26:57 -0600
Message-ID:
Thanks for the vigilance, but as per the header, Scott Sanders has his date
wrong on his machine. Read backwards:
Mail, Re: Maxtor Hard Drives (topic was opened Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:42:09 EST
by ZEN99@aol.com and did not exist in January) was written by Scott on a
machine called raptor, which at the time had IP 24.131.136.135.
Mail was picked up by his mailhost, elmls01.ce.mediaone.net on Sat, 10 Mar
2001 17:19:30 -0600 (CST). That's when he actually sent it. Or, Scott, was
it ESP instead of Deja Vu, and you answered in Januaray to a post in March?
If that is the case, I urgently have to talk to you all expense paid.
icmail.icinteractive.com picked up the mail from elmls01.ce.mediaone.net -
and sent it out.
Nope, Gentlemen, not a valid double-you, and it wasn't in Texas. But I
wouldn't be surprised if there still are messages from 3/5 and 3/6 rolling
around in TX like sagebrush and finally get blown into the saloon they call
DV-L.
Actually, I anticipated this to happen and I wrote this mail in March 2000 ...
BS. Believe it or DV-L.
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:10:57 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Deja Vu? No, ESP!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20000311021003.01d331f0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:53 PM 3/10/01 -0600, Vizion wrote:
>Messages are showing up from January:
>
> >From dv-l-request@dvcentral.org Sat Mar 10 17:22:23 2001
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>From: "Scott Sanders"
>To:
>Subject: RE: Maxtor Hard Drives
>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:26:57 -0600
>Message-ID:
Thanks for the vigilance, but as per the header, Scott Sanders has his date
wrong on his machine. Read backwards:
Mail, Re: Maxtor Hard Drives (topic was opened Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:42:09 EST
by ZEN99@aol.com and did not exist in January) was written by Scott on a
machine called raptor, which at the time had IP 24.131.136.135.
Mail was picked up by his mailhost, elmls01.ce.mediaone.net on Sat, 10 Mar
2001 17:19:30 -0600 (CST). That's when he actually sent it. Or, Scott, was
it ESP instead of Deja Vu, and you answered in Januaray to a post in March?
If that is the case, I urgently have to talk to you all expense paid.
icmail.icinteractive.com picked up the mail from elmls01.ce.mediaone.net -
and sent it out.
Nope, Gentlemen, not a valid double-you, and it wasn't in Texas. But I
wouldn't be surprised if there still are messages from 3/5 and 3/6 rolling
around in TX like sagebrush and finally get blown into the saloon they call
DV-L.
Actually, I anticipated this to happen and I wrote this mail in March 2000 ...
BS. Believe it or DV-L.
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:17:51 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: More old posts reappearing
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010311021352.01cb4460@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:41 PM 3/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, Bertel!
> I noticed that some more old posts have been reappearing on the DV-L
>list. I received the information below from another list I am
>subscribed to. Could this have anything to do with the reappearance of
>old posts on the DV-L???
Absolutely. See my previous posts regarding the black hole in the Austin
area, resulting in massive double-yous. Apparently, posts form March 5 & 6
are bouncing around in TX and sometimes they get back to our mailserver,
which sends them back out.
Not to worry. They definitely had a problem in TX.
The last one, pointed out by Vizion, was a different case. This was a case
of ESP. But I already had replied to that a year ago. Check the date.
BS
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:32:24 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Interactive video CD
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D7E1@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Joseph,
Good tips on Acrobat.
I didn't realize that I could embed a movie in Acrobat, is that directly in
Acrobat or one of the additional authoring add-ons that I can do that? I do
concur on the Macromedia learning curve, and you certainly can do more but
it is expensive for cross-platform release. It really depends on what you
need to have going on within the content.
FWIW,
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Karr O'Connor [mailto:josephoconnor@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:30 PM
> To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
> Subject: Re: Interactive video CD
>
>
You can
> embed movies, active URLs, audio files, graphics, text, whatever, and
> make it all interactive without the steep learning curve of Director.
> One other benefit is that for cross platform work you need a Mac and a
> Win copy of Director together to make Director projectors for Mac and
> Win. Adobe Acrobat is cross platform, way cheaper, and way easier to
> use. You need the whole Acrobat suite, of course, not just the freely
> distributed Acrobat Reader. Egghead has Acrobat for $223.99
> and I'm sure
> you can get it cheaper than that.
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:46:48 +0100
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010311022829.01cbcd80@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 06:53 PM 3/10/01 -0600, mhood wrote:
>I have this urge to mention Micropolis...
Nooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!! Don't do that!
>back in the thermal recalibration days, their AV1991 9GBs were all I bought.
Yes, and
http://hotbot.lycos.com/?MT=bertel+schmitt+thermal+recalibration&SM=MC&DV=0&LG=any&DC=100&DE=2&AM1=MC&x=34&y=6
still gets 43 hits, and I still get mail from people with the misguided
notion that I am a CD-RW specialist. If you would have read the diatribe
"Facts and Myths of AV Tuning" I could have saved you the $100
extra.... Gosh, this was written back when I did the Premiere forum on
Compuserve .... your drive is THAT OLD?
>The last one died a few months ago...
You probably never used it and it died from old age. A stock AV1991 turned
its ball bearing into crud after 6 months of usage and committed suicide.
It took the company with it.
>I almost cried.
There were a lot of people (especially those with Micropolis stock) who
cried a whole lot. Come on, let it out. It's ok to cry. Then, gang, let's
head for the woods and do some drumming and lets have hugs.
BS. DV-L Archeaological Dept.
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:55:20 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Message-ID:
Speaking of DVD-R drives, I was wondering if anyone knew what the likelihood
was of a DVD-R ONLY drive appearing? I want to buy a CD burner and would
also like to take advantage of the DVD-burning capabilities of these new
DVD-R drives. But I'd like to wait until the latter's a bit more proven and
buy a CD burner first. Plus, if I wait till, say, late summer, the prices
will come down some and there may even be an increase in disk capacity for
the DVD-R drives.
Sooooo... I'd just like to know, like I previously stated, if anyone
knows/thinks that there'll be a DVD-R/W drive on the market in the near
future separate from the CD burner?
Thanx,
Keith
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:03:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Pioneer DVD-R hits the shelves ...
Message-ID: <200103110203.UAA29318@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Speaking of DVD-R drives, I was wondering if anyone knew what the likelihood
>was of a DVD-R ONLY drive appearing? I want to buy a CD burner and would
>also like to take advantage of the DVD-burning capabilities of these new
>DVD-R drives. But I'd like to wait until the latter's a bit more proven and
>buy a CD burner first. Plus, if I wait till, say, late summer, the prices
>will come down some and there may even be an increase in disk capacity for
>the DVD-R drives.
>
>Sooooo... I'd just like to know, like I previously stated, if anyone
>knows/thinks that there'll be a DVD-R/W drive on the market in the near
>future separate from the CD burner?
>Keith
I'm really confused as to what you are asking for. There is nothing stopping
you from getting a burner that only cuts CDs, especially since they cut
CDs faster than the drives that will also cut DVDs. You can always add the
DVD-R/W burner later, keeping your current CD-R/W burner. You can have both
in your system at the same time. The burner software will let you select
which burner you want to use.
In my case, I'll probably add the DVD-R/W unit to the computer that I will
creating the MPEG-2 stuff on.
MB
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:50:13 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: xl-1 footage
Message-ID: <3AAAE7E5.8AF58DB3@maui.net>
Chris wrote:
> i was woundering if anyone might have some clips of footage that they
> shoot with the xl-1 on there computer if you do i would like to see
> them because i am thinking about getting a xl-1 and would like to see
> what the quality looks like
Hi Chris,
I got a ton of stuff shot with the XL1 on my computer, but you can't
really see the quality over the Internet. If you will email me
privately, I grab a few frames, save as JPEGs and email them to you.
They still won't give you the look and feel of the actual video. You
would do much better to go to a dealer near you or someone who has an
XL1 to really see what the pictures are like.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:45:52 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Maxtor Hard Drives
Message-ID: <3AAAE6DF.58BE9CE8@adent.com>
Sorry...too late ;-) Up until Micropolis bit the bag, I used to get a new drive every 6 to 8 months. All I had to do was turn in my old drive (fried of course) and their insane free
replacement warrantee would replace the trot line weight for free...I was amazed every time it happened.
And yes, the last one to die had *very* light duty. If you don't like to fish, they also make great wheel blocks if you have to jack up your car and don't want it to roll off the jack and
kill you.
Also, make that 44 hits...thanks for the trip down memory lane. I could have really used the $100 back then. Gotta go now...getting a little misty...
mhood
I just thought it might be appropriate to bring up the Micropolis name in a thread that is making distinctions between Maxtor and IBM drives lest we forget what "bad" really is :-)
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> At 06:53 PM 3/10/01 -0600, mhood wrote:
> >I have this urge to mention Micropolis...
>
> Nooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!! Don't do that!
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:09:48 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1 audio sync and other audio questions
Message-ID: <3AAAEC7C.71F86ED5@maui.net>
Hi Derek,
Yeah, the XL1 sync thing is strange but I can live with it in order to have the additional audio channels. As to when anyone will see a problem is hard to say. If they do captures of 5
minutes or less they might never see it unless they are on close up where the sync is very critical. Also, the more you edit the more critical your eye becomes about sync of all kinds.
Sync is probably more of a problem at 32k but I'm guessing. I almost always shoot in that mode.
About your hiss problem. Have you tried using an adapter to get around the MA100 and directly into the RCA jacks for channels 3 and 4? I have never used a MA100. I go directly from the
wireless mike receiver into the RCA jacks. Yes, I know it's unbalanced but I don't care. It's never been a problem.
About PZMs. . .I've got a very nice Audio Technica, but seldom use it. On a table it will pick up voices very well of people seated around the table. It also does a great job of picking
up all the noise of paper rattling, glasses clanging, finger drubbing . . .well, you get the idea. Of course tomorrow I may save a production, who knows?
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
>
>
> I just encountered the XL1 sync problem and I have been doing this for a
> couple of years now! I was surprised when it happened, because I always read
> about it and it never happened to me, so I thought it never would in the
> future. But it did and I used the John Burkhart(C) method of shaving and
> shifting a few frames and it worked out fine. (Thanks, John).
>
> Am I right in assuming that recording in 32kHz is exacerbating the problem?
>
> I have been using the wireless more lately and perhaps that is why I am
> getting this problem, using the extra tracks.
>
> Also, I am currently using a Samson UM1/UT1 combo. This seemed to work well
> in the past, but now I am getting hiss all the time. New batteries. So I
> turned the input down. Hiss went away, but then so did the signal. Does
> using this with the MA-100 shoulder pad with XLR's help, or hurt?
>
> Does anyone else successfully use this combo? If so, at what settings on
> Samson unit and XL1?
>
> Also, has anyone used a wired PZM (boundary) mic during production? If so,
> what do you recommend that may work well with the XL1?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Derek "I will never again rely on the on-camera mic" Loranger
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:13:39 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart