DV-L Thu, 22 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 802
In this issue:
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Achromatic Diopters on VX2000/ PD150
RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: DV projectors
Re: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0 (Low-Res Capture)
Re: DV and VITC : Repeat
RE: F/X challenge
Low-Res Capture (Was: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0)
Easy Mac upgrade
RE: question for the pro's
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
VideoOnics MxPro DV
Thanks To Stephen Re: Matrox & Premiere
Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Re: DV to Film (DV at all?)
RE: VideoOnics MxPro DV
RE: F/X challenge
Re: F/X challenge
Re: DV-L V1 #801
hmmmm..?
RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Premiere 6 news
RE: hmmmm..?
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: hmmmm..?
stereo sound in PD-150
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: stereo sound in PD-150
Re: stereo sound in PD-150
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
A 2HR MiniDV Camcorder Idea
Re: A 2HR MiniDV Camcorder Idea
PD-150 Owners--time code question
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
MSDV Codec
Light Meter & 16:9 anamorphic Lens
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
RE: PD-150 Owners--time code question
DPS PVR/2500B
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Pci video cards for dual monitors on Macs
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Re: DV projectors
RE: MSDV Codec
Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Re: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP? Is Offline dying??
RE: hmmmm..?
RE: hmmmm..? To DV or not to DV!
Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP? Is Offline dying??
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: FCP 2.0 Full Version and Upgrades in Stock
RE: hmmmm..?
RE: F/X challenge (guns and permits)
RE: F/X challenge (more on prop guns)
Re: F/X challenge (guns and permits)
RE: hmmmm..? To DV or not to DV!
Does loading Photoshop plugins eat up RAM?
RE: hmmmm..?
Re: Matrox MegaPac v2.0 & Premiere 6.0 Upgrade Questions
RE: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Bars & Tone in Premiere 6 (color calibration in general)
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: hmmmm..?
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
How to get great looking lanscape&skies with a GL-1?
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
re:DV to Film (DV at all?)
RE: Light Meter & 16:9 anamorphic Lens
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:08:25 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID:
>That's the answer I was looking for, thanks. Do you know of any good
>progressive camcorders, with half-inch chips, 16:9, etc.?
There are no dedicated 16:9 (wide screen) DV camcorders, they are all dual
mode 16:9/4:3. Because the 4:3 patch is smaller, all manufacturers have gone
to 2/3 inch chips to retain resolution.
None of these cameras offers full vertical resolution progressive scan,
which would give excessive 'twitter' when viewed on a normal interlaced
video monitor.
You really need a video camera dedicated to film transfer, because the
pictures at the video stage before film recording will look pretty bad. This
would also enable you to optimise edge enhancement ('Sharpening') and
colorimetry ('Color Matrix') to suit the purpose. You could also then design
it around a suitable large single chip that would allow use of actual 16mm
film lenses/filters etc.
I wouldn't hold your breath expecting an actual product though!
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:20:14 -0500
From: John Luna
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Message-ID:
>Steve,
>
>: It looks like I will be shooting a project with a Digi Beta
>: camera to make
>: the client happy. What can I do to edit the project on Final
>: Cut Pro on my
>: Mac edit suite? This needs to be done with no loss in
>: quality. Can I just
>: hook up a Digi Beta deck to my Mac with Firewire like Mini DV?
>
>The best is a direct SDI to DV/FireWire conversion, e.g. by DV-Bridge:
>
>http://dv411.com/dvbridge.html. DV Bridge can also be used to dub
>DigiBeta to Mini-DV (most dub houses will use component).
>
>... but the loss in quality (DigiBeta to DV) will still be significant.
>
>The cost ($700-1500 daily rental?) and quality of DigiBeta I think
>warrant using lossless or near-lossless editing system with SDI I/O,
>e.g. with DPS Reality or Matrox DigiSuite LE, where a complete system
>can be purchased for under $15K or rented at $300-500 a day.
>
>Best,
>Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
What about a transfer to DVcam or something else and then renting an
appropriate deck to firewire into the mac.
John
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:36:05 +0100
From: "Global-DVC"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Achromatic Diopters on VX2000/ PD150
Message-ID:
We are really very pleased with the Century Achromatic Diopters (not working
there). After seen their beauty the insects at your garden you'll never kill
again. We did shot several Prayer Mantids in Extreme Close Up during our
latest video-safari with Global-DVC members to Kruger Park some weeks ago
and would like to show you the results. We also have some really great links
to other interesting sites, please have a look at our renewed Site, with
this time some animated gif clips from Adobe Premiere 6. If you know some
other interesting links on this subject please let us know.
Jan van der Meer
founder www.Global-DVC.Org
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:36:10 +0100
From: "Global-DVC"
To:
Subject: RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Message-ID:
Funny we just did some of-DV-list enquiries on this matter and got these two
answers from other experts which we and they sure will share!
Jan van der Meer
www.Global-DVC.Org
> Please if you have time to answer we would be very pleased. A friend likes
> to know what the best/easiest way is to handle Betacam footage straight
into
> Premiere for of-line editing and have the same time code to make EDL's
and
> online editing on Beta edit masters. The best way is it: making a DV-Time
> code copy and copy that to AP? How does he get timecode on tape?
==========================
The best way is to digitize directly from BetaSP using an analog capture
card
and an RS-422 controller.
If he wants to use DV, and has a Sony VTR, he can get a DVCAM dub made with
the original timecode from the BetaSP tape, and use that.
> I know there's was some kind of box/ tc-inserter for that? Which one is
> recommended? Do you know???
You have to make the dub to DVCAM because no DV decks will dub the original
timecode.
Another way to work is to make a dub with a burned-in TC window. Capture the
material into Premiere and then either just build the EDL from the visible
numbers in the finished show, or, once the clips are captured edit the
timecode information in each clip (control+K) to match the burn-in window,
and
then Premiere's exported EDL will be correct.
In all cases do a test and make sure the TC in Premiere matches the TC on
the
original tape. Depending on the capture method used the TC may be off by as
much as a second.
Cheers, Adam Wilt
===============
Hi Jan
There are many ways to do this, for example:
1) Use 'burnt-in timecode' in a frame on the actual picture. You can then
use any convenient interim tape format or capture direct from Betacam. Most
Betacam machines have a built-in timecode inserter for a composite video
output. Theoretically Premiere can also read the inserted timecode digits
but it has never worked very well, I'm not sure if that feature is still
supported.
One workaround avoids edit-lists for the on-line conform; you 'paste' over a
copy of the off-line final edit. You simply replace each shot in the edit
with the appropriate master having the same timecode. This means you don't
need to capture the timecode for the footage.
2) You use an interim DVCAM copy to transfer the pictures with timecode to
Premiere. This means you need to use a DVCAM deck that will accept timecode
from the Betacam deck or read it from the VITC. Only the more expensive
decks do this.
3) You use a capture utility that enables Premiere to directly control the
Betacam deck via RS-422. I believe these work via a serial port on the
computer and a suitable lead. I am not familiar with any particular
products.
hope this helps
Perry
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:36:17 +0100
From: "Global-DVC"
To:
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID:
Century Optics has ++ and -- . Great lens for optical wide angle also used
for BBC nature. Minus is that it is not 16:9 but 14:9 (used by
BBC-Broadcast ) and only partly zoom possible!
Jan van der Meer
Founder Global-DVC
Zandvoort The Netherlands
www.Global-DVC.org
Tel ++31-23-5717701 Fax ++31-23-5719798
> 16:9 is best achieved using an optical add-on. I hear Century
> optics is the
> way to go.
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Date: 21 Mar 2001 12:36:29 +0000
From: Bevis King
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV projectors
Message-ID: <200103211236.MAA07869@terreis.ee.surrey.ac.uk>
On 20 Mar 2001 14:25:16 -0800, kabbage wrote:
> Can anyone recommend the best way to digitally project a DV movie.
Personally, I'd recommend something like the BarcoReality 9300. I
recently had the opportunity to use one of them to project from
DVCAM on to a 15ft screen. The results were absolutely awesome,
and this was feeding it via the YUV component outputs of a DSR-60.
The projector itself had, in addition to all the analogue inputs,
an SDI input and an IEEE1394 Firewire (DV) input.
Yup, this was a true "DV" projector.
The projector has a built in line-quad and feeding the line quads
buffer entirely in the digital domain should produce even more
awesome results than I saw with YUV component. Unfortunately my
DSR-60 doesn't have the SDI option board...
That said, if I'd walked into that audatorium and looked at the
pictures on the screen, I'd have sworn it was HD, but it wasn't -
just regular 525 line/30 fps DVCAM fed via YUV component.
Barco can be found at: http://www.barco.com/
The baby of the BarcoReality projector family is about US$25,000
to buy I believe. Not cheap, but then again, I'd say it was
definitely worth the money compared to the cheaper projectors
I've seen.
I really was blown away by it and the way it made my tapes look.
Both I and the organiser of the event got dozens of people
complementing us on the quality of the on-screen presentation
which was just the icing on the cake.
Regards, Bevis.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:24:18 +0100
From: Michael Kristensen
To:
Subject: Re: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0 (Low-Res Capture)
Message-ID:
With QT 5 p3 you can capture PhotoJPEG in realtime with timecodes intact and
no dropped frames. I have done it.
Take only 1/10 of DV space.
Michael
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:17:52 -0500
> From: Neil Goldberg
> To:
> Subject: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0
> Message-ID:
>
> Any idea when (if?) Promax's DV Toolkit will be made compatible with FCP
> 2.0? I realize a lot of the codec issues DVTK originally addressed are made
> moot by QT 5.0. But I rely on DVTK primarily for its low-res capture, and as
> far as I know there are no other low-res DV solutions for FCP-based systems.
> (But please correct me if I'm wrong.) I'd hate to upgrade at the expense of
> the more than 50 hours of low res documentary footage I've already captured.
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> Neil
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:38:33 -0500
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: DV and VITC : Repeat
Message-ID: <3AB8AED9.130ABBA0@cox.rr.com>
> On analog tape formats, the data is stored either on an audio
> track (usually dedicated to timecode) called LTC or in the
> vertical blanking part of the video where it is called VITC.
FWIW: Hi8/8mm formats provide a space for timecode in the helical
scan located between the video and the PCM audio. It is possible
to add timecode to 8mm and Hi8 tape after it is shot (if your
have gear that supports this). There were at least two variants
of 8mm/Hi8 timecode offered; RCTC used on consumer gear (which
was NOT drop-frame) and what Sony called 8mm time code used on
their professional/industrial gear. RCTC seems to have
disappeared from current production Hi8 camcorders.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:42:52 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: F/X challenge
Message-ID: <382205753.985182172425.JavaMail.root@web584-mc>
LOL!
Why buy more software when the real thing is so cheap and accessible?
------Original Message------
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: March 20, 2001 3:58:07 AM GMT
Subject: RE: F/X challenge
Hi Curran
Muzzle flashes from a prop machine gun? This is so easy to do in the
Philippines. All I have to do is rent a real machine gun and shoot it. For
tracers, we pay a little extra. If I have a little more money, maybe I can
afford real blanks that don't kill anybody on the set, but only if I have a
little more money. If you don't like the realistic look, you are welcome to
fix it in post. If you live in America, just scale down your expectations to
a magnum and borrow your friend's/dad's/classmate's gun (I'm asking for it,
I know, so flame me):)
Randy "who needs props when the real thing costs less?" Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Curran Jensen [mailto:x99gik@stfx.ca]
How would the DV wizards plan a simulated rocket and
subsequent explosion from a rocket launcher and muzzle
flashes from a prop machine gun? Tracers would be nice as
well!
Curran
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:45:49 -0500
From: Neil Goldberg
To:
Subject: Low-Res Capture (Was: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0)
Message-ID:
Thanks very much, Michael. Are you saying it's possible to capture directly
to PhotoJPEG from a DV source via Firewire using FCP or is this a process
one performs on already captured material? And might you explain how? Also,
since Charles is saying DV Toolkit won't be supported under QT 5, would
anyone have any suggestions for converting the many hours of footage I've
already captured using DVTK's codec to a format that can be used by QT 5/FCP
2.0 while keeping timecode intact? Thanks very much.
Neil
on 3/21/01 8:24 AM, Michael Kristensen wrote:
> With QT 5 p3 you can capture PhotoJPEG in realtime with timecodes intact and
> no dropped frames. I have done it.
> Take only 1/10 of DV space.
>
> Michael
>
>> From: Neil Goldberg
>>
>> Any idea when (if?) Promax's DV Toolkit will be made compatible with FCP
>> 2.0?....I rely on DVTK primarily for its low-res capture, and as
>> far as I know there are no other low-res DV solutions for FCP-based systems.
>> (But please correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:04:05 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <388007762.985183445509.JavaMail.root@web349-mc>
I am amazed how easy it was to upgrade my G3 beige Mac/Firemax/Premiere
5.1a. I put in a new Zif CPU running at 434 mHz (about $250. from OWC).
Took 15 minutes. I installed 128 mb ram in about 5 minutes. Then I
upgraded to a 60 gb IBM hd (about $200. from McGlen) in about 10 minutes. I
am no computer whiz and I rarely crack open the box. Hats off to the
engineers who made it easy.
------Original Message------
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: March 20, 2001 12:27:21 AM GMT
Subject: Re: DV-Storm user in Hawaii
Jon,
What's you overall assessment of the Storm? Stable? Time-saver? Are you
using Premiere 6.0? Thanks.
------Original Message------
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: March 19, 2001 7:50:12 PM GMT
Subject: Re: DV-Storm user in S.E. PA or Maryland area
Walt Johnston wrote:
> I'm looking for a DV-Storm user in the S.E. PA area (I'm from York,
> PA and I'm willing to travel up to 2 hours away). I'm planning on
> purchasing a Storm and would like to see one in operation.
>
Excellent idea. It'll be worth the trip. Pay particular attention to
DVStorm's ability to do real time color correction. I use it almost all the
time. It's not JUST color but slight
differences in brightness and contrast particularly when inter cutting
between cameras. Oh yes, in that same filter you can make adjustments in
the gamma to greatly improve flesh tones,
etc. You gotta see it to believe it.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:06:54 -0500 (EST)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: question for the pro's
Message-ID: <383148992.985183614714.JavaMail.root@web628-mc>
try adjusting your transparancy settings and put the video above the moving
background on the timeline.
------Original Message------
From: "tracy day"
To:
Sent: March 20, 2001 6:52:30 PM GMT
Subject: question for the pro's
this is what i would like to do- have a moving background and place
another layer (also moving) on top of it. the background is rushing by
on the edges or border and the main video is relatively in the middle.
do i need to bluescreen or can i just place one on top of the other. i
am running premiere 5.1c and i also have ae and photoshop although i
have never used either. thanks in advance for even understanding this.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:24:26 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <000b01c0b212$a25356a0$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
----- Original Message -----
From: john markert
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:04 AM
Subject: Easy Mac upgrade
> I am amazed how easy it was to upgrade my G3 beige Mac/Firemax/Premiere
> 5.1a. I put in a new Zif CPU running at 434 mHz (about $250. from OWC).
> Took 15 minutes. I installed 128 mb ram in about 5 minutes. Then I
> upgraded to a 60 gb IBM hd (about $200. from McGlen) in about 10 minutes.
I
> am no computer whiz and I rarely crack open the box. Hats off to the
> engineers who made it easy.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: john markert
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Sent: March 20, 2001 12:27:21 AM GMT
> Subject: Re: DV-Storm user in Hawaii
>
>
> Jon,
>
> What's you overall assessment of the Storm? Stable? Time-saver? Are you
> using Premiere 6.0? Thanks.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jon Burkhart
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Sent: March 19, 2001 7:50:12 PM GMT
> Subject: Re: DV-Storm user in S.E. PA or Maryland area
>
>
> Walt Johnston wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a DV-Storm user in the S.E. PA area (I'm from York,
> > PA and I'm willing to travel up to 2 hours away). I'm planning on
> > purchasing a Storm and would like to see one in operation.
> >
>
> Excellent idea. It'll be worth the trip. Pay particular attention to
> DVStorm's ability to do real time color correction. I use it almost all
the
> time. It's not JUST color but slight
> differences in brightness and contrast particularly when inter cutting
> between cameras. Oh yes, in that same filter you can make adjustments in
> the gamma to greatly improve flesh tones,
> etc. You gotta see it to believe it.
>
> Aloha,
> Jon Burkhart
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:33:31 -0500
From: JohnstonWalt@omf.net (Walt Johnston)
To:
Subject: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Message-ID: <3AB8756B.6742.441E039@localhost>
I'd like to be able to mix live conferences - for projection overhead
and also to record a mixed signal to a DV deck. What is the
cheapest (and preferably small in size) mixer that uses analog
input and output?
My input signal would be analog from a DV (GL-1). I understand
that the mixer needs to allowing non-sync signal that has no-TBC,
right?
I am hoping that the picture output should be good if I shoot in DV,
cable the S-video output to a mixer and then project the picture
onto a screen, right?
Then, I could record the output of the mixer by S-video to a DV
deck and still have a good picture, right or am I off base?
Walt
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:53:57 -0800
From: Lori & David Tango
To:
Subject: Thanks To Stephen Re: Matrox & Premiere
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010321064110.00a7a1a0@mail.flashcom.net>
Stephen:
Thanks for your wonderful insights into my questions about Matrox/Premiere
upgrade. I am very appreciative of this help.
Sounds like my tech support is right: stick with what is working now, since
it works.
However, not having ripple delete is a pain in the keester. As soon as I
get some time away from my day job I will turn on the box and attempt to
study what is happening there. Perhaps with some further description on my
part you might have some fix for me in 5.1c
Whoever has been complaining about Adobe tech of late has my full
concurrence. I spent forty-five minutes long-distance on the phone trying
to get a simple answer to an easy question and was never able to even
speak to a tech person. At one point one of their screeners told me that I
already owned Premiere 6.0 and needed to upgrade to 6.50. After speaking
to a "supervisor" who admitted there is no 6.50 of Premiere, and then being
put on hold for a tech for another 20 minutes, I finally hung up in
disgust. The phone call was more expensive than the upgrade itself -- and
this during my 30-day "free" support.
Anyway, Stephen, I will get into my problem w/ ripple delete & report
back. Thanks again for you very valuable help.
-Lance
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:04:03 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Message-ID: <00cc01c0b218$c1aa5a20$6401a8c0@design1>
The least expensive is probably the Videonics MX-1 but I think a Panasonic
WJ-MX50 is much more durable and easier to use. It has internal
synchronizers so you can use your choice of video sources without having to
have genlock capability.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Johnston"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: VideoOnics MxPro DV
> I'd like to be able to mix live conferences - for projection overhead
> and also to record a mixed signal to a DV deck. What is the
> cheapest (and preferably small in size) mixer that uses analog
> input and output?
>
> My input signal would be analog from a DV (GL-1). I understand
> that the mixer needs to allowing non-sync signal that has no-TBC,
> right?
>
> I am hoping that the picture output should be good if I shoot in DV,
> cable the S-video output to a mixer and then project the picture
> onto a screen, right?
>
> Then, I could record the output of the mixer by S-video to a DV
> deck and still have a good picture, right or am I off base?
>
> Walt
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:18:30 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID:
Hello: If this is a one time use then maybe it is possible for you customer
to use with you a local University graduate student from their video
department who has the equipment that you might want. Again also I would
place an add in TV technology and along with that check out the adds of the
people who sell equipment through that publication. You do not say the
mic's and other equipment that is necessary for your project. Just some
thoughts. I would think about using the digital service in Switzerland. I
have seen some of their results and the cost plus the results look
excellent. Tughollow
> From: Alexei Gerulaitis
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:21:39 -0800
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: DV to Film (DV at all?)
>
> A customer of mine is making a film and is looking for the right video
> equipment to use. His plan so far is to shoot and edit in DV and then
> transfer to film using dvfilm.com services.
>
> He has XL-1 and DVRaptor now, and is considering these choices:
> 1. GY-DV500
> 2. DSR-500WS
>
> I am also throwing JVC's DY-90W and GY-DV700W in the soup.
>
> Budget: as much under $15K as possible.
>
> The main questions are:
>
> 1. Any other choices for the budget? Over the budget? I know Jan and
> Adam will say 480p! If they do, what is the approx. budget for a 480p
> camera package? :-)
> 2. PAL or NTSC? How much worse will NTSC look on film compared to PAL?
> 3. Anyone familiar with dvfilm.com services an what would you recommend
> for the best (and yet affordable) DV to film transfer?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:27:13 -0600
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FD4B@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
Walt said:
>"The least expensive is probably the Videonics MX-1 but I think a Panasonic
>WJ-MX50 is much more durable and easier to use. It has internal
>synchronizers so you can use your choice of video sources without having to
>have genlock capability".
I'm not familiar with the WJ-MX50, but the MX-1 does not need genlock. It
has dual TBCs and synchs multiple disparate sources quite nicely. Main
complaint I've heard, although it has not been a problem for me, is that the
MX-1 has a short (maybe half second?) delay when you press the "take" button
or do a direct "cut" between sources. The "T-Bar" seems more instantaneous.
What does "easier to use" mean?
-Rik.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:33:48
From: "Howard Spivack"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: F/X challenge
Message-ID:
Actually, one concern I have is using guns for filming.
I bought a prop gun a while ago. I also bought blanks for the gun. Aside
from a bright red plug in the barrell (to identify it as a prop and also to
prevent a Brandon Lee style accident I suppose) I've yet to try it out. I
live in Long Island and wondering what will happen if I fire a blank off,
whether I'd be violating zoning. The last thing I'd want is to walk out of
my house 20 mins later into a SWAT ambush.
Is there any way to check for zoning clearances? Should I just call the
police in advance? Or am I being to paranoid?
>From: john markert
>Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: RE: F/X challenge
>Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:42:52 -0500 (EST)
>
>LOL!
>
>Why buy more software when the real thing is so cheap and accessible?
>
>------Original Message------
>From: Randy Quimpo
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Sent: March 20, 2001 3:58:07 AM GMT
>Subject: RE: F/X challenge
>
>
>
>Hi Curran
>
>Muzzle flashes from a prop machine gun? This is so easy to do in the
>Philippines. All I have to do is rent a real machine gun and shoot it. For
>tracers, we pay a little extra. If I have a little more money, maybe I can
>afford real blanks that don't kill anybody on the set, but only if I have a
>little more money. If you don't like the realistic look, you are welcome to
>fix it in post. If you live in America, just scale down your expectations
>to
>a magnum and borrow your friend's/dad's/classmate's gun (I'm asking for it,
>I know, so flame me):)
>
>Randy "who needs props when the real thing costs less?" Quimpo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Curran Jensen [mailto:x99gik@stfx.ca]
>
>How would the DV wizards plan a simulated rocket and
>subsequent explosion from a rocket launcher and muzzle
>flashes from a prop machine gun? Tracers would be nice as
>well!
>
>Curran
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:44:09 -0700
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: F/X challenge
Message-ID: <3AB8CC49.8EDFB60@familydocumentaries.com>
Howard Spivack wrote:
> The last thing I'd want is to walk out of
> my house 20 mins later into a SWAT ambush.
>
On the other hand, it could make for great publicity. You could actually provide the "Film at 11."
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:47:33 EST
From: Zoomroom@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #801
Message-ID: <12.a66f9c0.27ea2715@aol.com>
www.paulboyer.8m.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:49:19 EST
From: Zoomroom@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: hmmmm..?
Message-ID:
I was told that in DV the image(data) is compressed before it gets to the
tape. Is that true?
pb
www.paulboyer.8m.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:56:17 -0500
From:
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Message-ID:
>DV-mag (www.dv.com) have a review of SDI card in this winter. Read this
>before You choice a SDI-card. To my knowledge, most DigiBeta is editing un
>compressed. You must remember that You need 5 times hard disk spece for
>editing uncompressed video compare to DV.
This is not a flame. Digital Betacam is not an uncompressed
format. It is 10 bit sampling at about 2:1. Many Avid
owners use digital beta decks and many of those have reported
that using 2:1 Avid compression looks that same as uncompressed capture,
only it uses half the disc space. The reason many use uncompressed
is because of the Client's *perception* that uncompressed is
better (also fostered by those who had (uncompressed) D5 machines
and who were doing 35mm film transfers to D5 for very expensive
ad clients. (yes, that is about as good as it gets for 601)
There have been reports of clients DEMANDING only
uncompressed digital betacam, when in fact,
there is no such animal. Of course you can
sample uncompressed, the already *compressed*
digi beta SDI signal.
jmerser
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:57:30 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Message-ID: <00e401c0b21f$af8c1f20$6401a8c0@design1>
I have only used a MX-1 once but it seemed that it was not as responsive as
the MX-50 and there were more directly accessible functions with the MX-50.
The MX-50 is physically larger and there is no delay when switching sources
plus there's a very nice auto take function when you want the transition to
be ultra smooth. The buttons and switches on the MX-50 are bigger and feel
better to my fingers and key buttons are backlit which makes it easier to
keep track of where you are when it gets busy. It's sort of the economy car
versus luxury car type of thing. Both get you where you're going but one
make the trip more pleasurable. The particular MX-1 I used while pretty new
was somewhat unreliable. Not all of the buttons would work when pressed
quickly you had the be really careful to insure that the command was indeed
accepted before you moved your attention back to what was happening in the
program. It made me focus more on the tool than the show. May have just been
an anomaly but that was my experience with it.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik Albury"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: VideoOnics MxPro DV
> Walt said:
>
> >"The least expensive is probably the Videonics MX-1 but I think a
Panasonic
> >WJ-MX50 is much more durable and easier to use. It has internal
> >synchronizers so you can use your choice of video sources without having
to
> >have genlock capability".
>
> I'm not familiar with the WJ-MX50, but the MX-1 does not need genlock. It
> has dual TBCs and synchs multiple disparate sources quite nicely. Main
> complaint I've heard, although it has not been a problem for me, is that
the
> MX-1 has a short (maybe half second?) delay when you press the "take"
button
> or do a direct "cut" between sources. The "T-Bar" seems more
instantaneous.
> What does "easier to use" mean?
>
> -Rik.
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:02:11 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: hmmmm..?
Message-ID: <00f201c0b220$4e972600$6401a8c0@design1>
That is true. The image on DV tape by definition is compressed 5:1 at a
fixed datarate of 25 Mbits/sec.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: hmmmm..?
> I was told that in DV the image(data) is compressed before it gets to the
> tape. Is that true?
> pb
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:04:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: hmmmm..?
Message-ID: <200103211604.KAA25563@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I was told that in DV the image(data) is compressed before it gets to the
>tape. Is that true?
>pb
Yes. It is either 5:1 or 7:1, I forget which.
MB
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:38:05 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Premiere 6 news
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321112800.03b23580@pop3.concentric.net>
Some updates on the latest Premiere 6 info;
The following boards are now Premiere 6 certified by Adobe:
Pinnacle DV500Plus
Pinnacle DC1000DV
Matrox RT 2000
Canopus DV Storm
The following OHCI cards are now bundled with Premiere 6. They have been
tested and approved by Adobe:
Pinnacle DV200
ADS Pyro Platinum PCI
ADS Pyro Platinum Cardbus
We hope to see the following card certified any day now:
Dazzle*Fast DV.now.AV
Canopus DV Raptor
Canopus DV RexRT Professonal
On the Mac front:
Adobe announced that they will now support real-time w/ Premiere. The new
Matrox RT Mac and Promax RT Max were mentioned. So Mac users will have
there choice of NLE software w/ real-time capabilities.
ADS Pyro Platinum is available for Mac. You can have it with your choice of
PCI or cardbus hardware.
For more info you can check out our website http://www.videoguys.com
Gary
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:52:07 -0500
From: "Davis, Ian (MLIM)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: hmmmm..?
Message-ID:
With DV, the compression is done in the camera before it is written to the tape. Therefore the bit-stream on the tape is in compressed format. This is the main reason that a capture card for analog video is $500+ and a firewire card is $100. In the analog capture card, the card itself has to do both the digital conversion and then the compression before passing the bit-stream on to the PC for storage. The firewire card merely has to transfer the data back and forth unmodified.
Ian Davis.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vidiot [mailto:brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:05 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: hmmmm..?
>I was told that in DV the image(data) is compressed before it gets to the
>tape. Is that true?
>pb
Yes. It is either 5:1 or 7:1, I forget which.
MB
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:59:14 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D835@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Alexei wrote:That's the answer I was looking for, thanks. Do you know of
any good progressive camcorders, with half-inch chips, 16:9, etc.?
>
The only progressive camera out there that does a true 60 frame capture,
16:9, actually has 2/3" chips(there are no true 16:9 1/2" chips) only does
it in ATSC, and it is called the AJ-PD900. You can find it on our web page.
Editing at this level is going to be the challenge. The way I would go
about it is to shoot in Progressive, rent the AJ-HD150 with upconverter,
upconvert to High Def, then do my edit in a Cinewave, roll off my master
into HD either D-5HD or DVCPROHD, convert on a reverse 3:2 to film from
there. It would look awesome.
Fred wrote:
> : PAL progressive scan is the way to go for film on DV.
The only problem here is that as far as I know the progressive format is
unavailable in PAL, at least to the specification that Alexei has laid out.
It may be psuedo possible in the little prosumer cameras, but so the higher
quality cameras have not been asked for in Europe.
Best regards,
Jan
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:24:19 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: hmmmm..?
Message-ID:
MB posted(re DV compression):
Yes. It is either 5:1 or 7:1, I forget which.
I know some folks love some arithmetic for breakfast!
Taking the PAL example, uncompressed is 768x576x24x25=265.4208 Mbit/sec.
DV video is about 25Mbit/s so the crude overall compression is about 10.6:1.
However, this is based upon 4:4:4 R,G,B (hence 24bits/pixel) whereas DV is
pre-filtered to 4:2:0 (4:1:1 in NTSC) Y,U,V and hence is effectively only 12
bits/pixel. The subsequent DATA compression is thus close to 5:1.
You can do the numbers for NTSC and they come out very similar.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:35:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Smith
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: stereo sound in PD-150
Message-ID: <15387481.985196127664.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com>
I am recording sound via the stock shotgun mike on the PD-150 plugged into
ch 1. This configuration only records to one channel. When I play back the
tape I only output sound to the left or right channel. Is there any way to
record stereo sound(output to left and right) using only 1 mic.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:34:57 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D837@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Perry wrote:
> None of these cameras offers full vertical resolution
> progressive scan,
> which would give excessive 'twitter' when viewed on a normal
> interlaced
> video monitor.
Perry, a real progressive scan recording does not play on a standard
interlace monitor as the scanning rate is 31.5, double that of an interlace
monitor. And there is a real progressive scan camera and that is the
AJ-PD900 DVCPRO Progressive Camcorder.
> You really need a video camera dedicated to film transfer, because the
> pictures at the video stage before film recording will look
> pretty bad.
Actually the AJ-PD900 looks fantastic and it records 60 frames per second.
And converted to film it is amazing. This camera a lot of features and
capabilities in its battery of menus. There a couple of press releases about
this on our website, Teddy Bear Picnic is one film just completed with this
camera and a couple of others that have gone this route.
480P is a very viable alternative for creating a higher end transfer to
film, not withstanding a true HD to film as the best but 480P is definitely
a format in strong contention for a lower end budget.
What I have been reading in this series of posts is the idea that the
progressive capture and interlace recording is a viable alternative, and I
can only say that that may be true in 25 frames and then slew the VTR to 24
frames for transfer, but the headaches of working on a project like this in
a NTSC domain are not to be overlooked. Just logging your footage and will
require PAL playback systems and the ability to make copies of your master
tapes for the review process and those will need a window burn, this will
not be cheap. If you do not have PAL viewing equipment that allows for
viewing the time code numbers then you should while you are having those
window burns made make a copy in NTSC so that you can watch and log on the
NTSC equipment you do have, and this will not be cheap.
If you decide that you will do the progressive capture to interlace
recording in NTSC(ATSC)this is a mistake as the reverse 3:2 will combine
fields that do not belong together at every 3rd frame and it will look very
weird. If you want a PowerPoint slide to show this to you graphically, send
me an email off list and I will send it along.
So when I was talking about 480Progressive I mean 480 lines on each and
every 1/60th of a second frame. This is the best alternative to HD capture
and transfer to film.
I hope this helps,
Jan
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:42:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: stereo sound in PD-150
Message-ID: <200103211742.LAA26166@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I am recording sound via the stock shotgun mike on the PD-150 plugged into
>ch 1. This configuration only records to one channel. When I play back the
>tape I only output sound to the left or right channel. Is there any way to
>record stereo sound(output to left and right) using only 1 mic.
Stereo, by crude definition, means two separate sound sources. You therefore
cannot have stereo with a single source. When you edit it in Premiere, or
whatever you use, just adjust the audio so the single source goes into both
the left and right channels. It will still be mono, but just in both channels.
Isn't there a switch on the PD-150 that will allow you to send the single
input into both channels?
Then again, you could change out the mic and put in a stereo mic and get
real stereo.
MB
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:46:34 -0500
From: "Don Mitchell"
To:
Subject: Re: stereo sound in PD-150
Message-ID: <000d01c0b22e$df422e30$0164640a@zeus>
You can't record stereo with a one-channel mike. But you can send the
signal from that mike to both the stereo channels.
Move the small "rec ch select" switch for INPUT 1 from CH1 to CH1 CH2.
That should do it.
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Smith"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: stereo sound in PD-150
> I am recording sound via the stock shotgun mike on the PD-150 plugged into
> ch 1. This configuration only records to one channel. When I play back
the
> tape I only output sound to the left or right channel. Is there any way
to
> record stereo sound(output to left and right) using only 1 mic.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
On 3/21/01 9:24 AM, Dick Lague got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
> upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
This is entirely possible. Steve Jobs elected to start using more generic PC
parts in the construction of Macs, hence their decline in price over the
last 3 years and greater compatibility with the rest of the desktop
industry. What I do not understand is why their machines are still so more
expensive than comparable PCs. They need to start thinking more market share
and less profit. (I ain't startin' no platform war here: I'm a big Mac fan
owning two of them, but I'm no Jobsian apologist, either (usually).)
Keith
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:27:48 -0600
From: shane@soldesignfx.com (Shane Walker)
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
Not to start a platform war here either, but the basic deal is this (two
points, actually): one, the company is on par w/ Sony, they depend on a
greater fit-and-finish than the cheap beige box to serve their image and the
desires of their client base--the titanium powerbook was many times compared
with the top-of-the-line Vaio Laptop, NOT the cheap Gateway, for good
reason; and two, they are attempting to be as profitable as possible, yes,
and justify it by being more "solution-oriented" than the
piece-it-together-from-whatevers-cheapest and
sell-it-wholesale-and-let-the-user-figure-out competition. that takes R&D
and a heavy thought to ergonomics and user experience. its aimed at
creative folk who just want to get stuff done (not bean counters who have
little interest in multimedia nor engineers who love to tinker all day
anyway), people who want to ENJOY the act of sitting and working in front of
the box as much as possible, and will pay for the 'perceived' added 'value.
my two cents,
shane
> From: Keith
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500
> To:
> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>
> On 3/21/01 9:24 AM, Dick Lague got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
>
>> I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
>> upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
>
> This is entirely possible. Steve Jobs elected to start using more generic PC
> parts in the construction of Macs, hence their decline in price over the
> last 3 years and greater compatibility with the rest of the desktop
> industry. What I do not understand is why their machines are still so more
> expensive than comparable PCs. They need to start thinking more market share
> and less profit. (I ain't startin' no platform war here: I'm a big Mac fan
> owning two of them, but I'm no Jobsian apologist, either (usually).)
>
> Keith
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:59:20 -0800
From: rdsanders@starway-pictures.com (Starway Pictures - rdsanders)
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
Amen. I'm an IT consultant specializing in front-end/GUI design and I
CANNOT walk onto a client site without someone saying, "Ewwww, you have a
Maaaaaac! Why? Photoshop runs on a PC just fine." To which I just grind
my molars and bare it. For the life of me, it doesn't matter where I go
with my Powerbook, I get shit from everyone. Why does that little white
Apple logo instill so many knee jerk reactions out of people? I don't
understand. For instance, today I walked into my client's offices, setup my
Mac at an empty desk and while it was booting I got the "Mac OS, whatever"
comment from behind me. I just don't understand the hostility, like I
brought a virus into the room and I'm stared at like I have two heads or
something. The hostility is frustrating. I would never openly and publicly
criticize another person's platform of choice as I find it absolutely
classless. What is it that's so threatening about my Mac that PC guys don't
hesitate for a single second to rub it in my face? Why? End Rant.
> Not to start a platform war here either, but the basic deal is this (two
> points, actually): one, the company is on par w/ Sony, they depend on a
> greater fit-and-finish than the cheap beige box to serve their image and the
> desires of their client base--the titanium powerbook was many times compared
> with the top-of-the-line Vaio Laptop, NOT the cheap Gateway, for good
> reason; and two, they are attempting to be as profitable as possible, yes,
> and justify it by being more "solution-oriented" than the
> piece-it-together-from-whatevers-cheapest and
> sell-it-wholesale-and-let-the-user-figure-out competition. that takes R&D
> and a heavy thought to ergonomics and user experience. its aimed at
> creative folk who just want to get stuff done (not bean counters who have
> little interest in multimedia nor engineers who love to tinker all day
> anyway), people who want to ENJOY the act of sitting and working in front of
> the box as much as possible, and will pay for the 'perceived' added 'value.
>
> my two cents,
> shane
>
>> From: Keith
>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>>
>> On 3/21/01 9:24 AM, Dick Lague got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
>>
>>> I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
>>> upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
>>
>> This is entirely possible. Steve Jobs elected to start using more generic PC
>> parts in the construction of Macs, hence their decline in price over the
>> last 3 years and greater compatibility with the rest of the desktop
>> industry. What I do not understand is why their machines are still so more
>> expensive than comparable PCs. They need to start thinking more market share
>> and less profit. (I ain't startin' no platform war here: I'm a big Mac fan
>> owning two of them, but I'm no Jobsian apologist, either (usually).)
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:29:25 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <000801c0b245$b6c427d0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Comparing any organisation with Sony seems like imparting the kiss of
death..
The pursuit of propriatorial standards standards goes against the needs of
an increasingly open world.
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Walker"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
> Not to start a platform war here either, but the basic deal is this (two
> points, actually): one, the company is on par w/ Sony, they depend on a
> greater fit-and-finish than the cheap beige box to serve their image and
the
> desires of their client base--the titanium powerbook was many times
compared
> with the top-of-the-line Vaio Laptop, NOT the cheap Gateway, for good
> reason; and two, they are attempting to be as profitable as possible, yes,
> and justify it by being more "solution-oriented" than the
> piece-it-together-from-whatevers-cheapest and
> sell-it-wholesale-and-let-the-user-figure-out competition. that takes R&D
> and a heavy thought to ergonomics and user experience. its aimed at
> creative folk who just want to get stuff done (not bean counters who have
> little interest in multimedia nor engineers who love to tinker all day
> anyway), people who want to ENJOY the act of sitting and working in front
of
> the box as much as possible, and will pay for the 'perceived' added
'value.
>
> my two cents,
> shane
>
> > From: Keith
> > Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
> >
> > On 3/21/01 9:24 AM, Dick Lague got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
> >
> >> I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
> >> upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
> >
> > This is entirely possible. Steve Jobs elected to start using more
generic PC
> > parts in the construction of Macs, hence their decline in price over the
> > last 3 years and greater compatibility with the rest of the desktop
> > industry. What I do not understand is why their machines are still so
more
> > expensive than comparable PCs. They need to start thinking more market
share
> > and less profit. (I ain't startin' no platform war here: I'm a big Mac
fan
> > owning two of them, but I'm no Jobsian apologist, either (usually).)
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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> > http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> > http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
> >
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>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:36:13 -0600
From: Kirk Lohse
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
Double Amen! Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, those of us
using a clearly superior OS and architecture continue to be the pariahs of
the computer world.
I on the other hand (classless though it may be) NEVER miss an opportunity
to point out the manifold benefits of being a MacUser!
Kirk Lohse
digitalEYE productions
> From: rdsanders@starway-pictures.com (Starway Pictures - rdsanders)
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:59:20 -0800
> To:
> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>
> Amen. I'm an IT consultant specializing in front-end/GUI design and I
> CANNOT walk onto a client site without someone saying, "Ewwww, you have a
> Maaaaaac! Why? Photoshop runs on a PC just fine." To which I just grind
> my molars and bare it. For the life of me, it doesn't matter where I go
> with my Powerbook, I get shit from everyone. Why does that little white
> Apple logo instill so many knee jerk reactions out of people? I don't
> understand. For instance, today I walked into my client's offices, setup my
> Mac at an empty desk and while it was booting I got the "Mac OS, whatever"
> comment from behind me. I just don't understand the hostility, like I
> brought a virus into the room and I'm stared at like I have two heads or
> something. The hostility is frustrating. I would never openly and publicly
> criticize another person's platform of choice as I find it absolutely
> classless. What is it that's so threatening about my Mac that PC guys don't
> hesitate for a single second to rub it in my face? Why? End Rant.
>
>> Not to start a platform war here either, but the basic deal is this (two
>> points, actually): one, the company is on par w/ Sony, they depend on a
>> greater fit-and-finish than the cheap beige box to serve their image and the
>> desires of their client base--the titanium powerbook was many times compared
>> with the top-of-the-line Vaio Laptop, NOT the cheap Gateway, for good
>> reason; and two, they are attempting to be as profitable as possible, yes,
>> and justify it by being more "solution-oriented" than the
>> piece-it-together-from-whatevers-cheapest and
>> sell-it-wholesale-and-let-the-user-figure-out competition. that takes R&D
>> and a heavy thought to ergonomics and user experience. its aimed at
>> creative folk who just want to get stuff done (not bean counters who have
>> little interest in multimedia nor engineers who love to tinker all day
>> anyway), people who want to ENJOY the act of sitting and working in front of
>> the box as much as possible, and will pay for the 'perceived' added 'value.
>>
>> my two cents,
>> shane
>>
>>> From: Keith
>>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>>>
>>> On 3/21/01 9:24 AM, Dick Lague got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
>>>> upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
>>>
>>> This is entirely possible. Steve Jobs elected to start using more generic PC
>>> parts in the construction of Macs, hence their decline in price over the
>>> last 3 years and greater compatibility with the rest of the desktop
>>> industry. What I do not understand is why their machines are still so more
>>> expensive than comparable PCs. They need to start thinking more market share
>>> and less profit. (I ain't startin' no platform war here: I'm a big Mac fan
>>> owning two of them, but I'm no Jobsian apologist, either (usually).)
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
>>> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>>> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
>>> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>>>
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>>
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>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:56:18 -0800
From: rdsanders@starway-pictures.com (Starway Pictures - rdsanders)
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
Careful with the "superior" words. We're walking a fine line now and I
don't want to get booted off the list.
> Double Amen! Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, those of us
> using a clearly superior OS and architecture continue to be the pariahs of
> the computer world.
>
> I on the other hand (classless though it may be) NEVER miss an opportunity
> to point out the manifold benefits of being a MacUser!
>
> Kirk Lohse
> digitalEYE productions
>
>> From: rdsanders@starway-pictures.com (Starway Pictures - rdsanders)
>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:59:20 -0800
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>>
>> Amen. I'm an IT consultant specializing in front-end/GUI design and I
>> CANNOT walk onto a client site without someone saying, "Ewwww, you have a
>> Maaaaaac! Why? Photoshop runs on a PC just fine." To which I just grind
>> my molars and bare it. For the life of me, it doesn't matter where I go
>> with my Powerbook, I get shit from everyone. Why does that little white
>> Apple logo instill so many knee jerk reactions out of people? I don't
>> understand. For instance, today I walked into my client's offices, setup my
>> Mac at an empty desk and while it was booting I got the "Mac OS, whatever"
>> comment from behind me. I just don't understand the hostility, like I
>> brought a virus into the room and I'm stared at like I have two heads or
>> something. The hostility is frustrating. I would never openly and publicly
>> criticize another person's platform of choice as I find it absolutely
>> classless. What is it that's so threatening about my Mac that PC guys don't
>> hesitate for a single second to rub it in my face? Why? End Rant.
>>
>>> Not to start a platform war here either, but the basic deal is this (two
>>> points, actually): one, the company is on par w/ Sony, they depend on a
>>> greater fit-and-finish than the cheap beige box to serve their image and the
>>> desires of their client base--the titanium powerbook was many times compared
>>> with the top-of-the-line Vaio Laptop, NOT the cheap Gateway, for good
>>> reason; and two, they are attempting to be as profitable as possible, yes,
>>> and justify it by being more "solution-oriented" than the
>>> piece-it-together-from-whatevers-cheapest and
>>> sell-it-wholesale-and-let-the-user-figure-out competition. that takes R&D
>>> and a heavy thought to ergonomics and user experience. its aimed at
>>> creative folk who just want to get stuff done (not bean counters who have
>>> little interest in multimedia nor engineers who love to tinker all day
>>> anyway), people who want to ENJOY the act of sitting and working in front of
>>> the box as much as possible, and will pay for the 'perceived' added 'value.
>>>
>>> my two cents,
>>> shane
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:56:36 -0600
From: shane@soldesignfx.com (Shane Walker)
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
open world...hmmm, like a monopoly?
> From: " Vizion Communication"
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:29:25 -0800
> To:
> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>
> Comparing any organisation with Sony seems like imparting the kiss of
> death..
>
> The pursuit of propriatorial standards standards goes against the needs of
> an increasingly open world.
>
> DE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shane Walker"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>
>
>> Not to start a platform war here either, but the basic deal is this (two
>> points, actually): one, the company is on par w/ Sony, they depend on a
>> greater fit-and-finish than the cheap beige box to serve their image and
> the
>> desires of their client base--the titanium powerbook was many times
> compared
>> with the top-of-the-line Vaio Laptop, NOT the cheap Gateway, for good
>> reason; and two, they are attempting to be as profitable as possible, yes,
>> and justify it by being more "solution-oriented" than the
>> piece-it-together-from-whatevers-cheapest and
>> sell-it-wholesale-and-let-the-user-figure-out competition. that takes R&D
>> and a heavy thought to ergonomics and user experience. its aimed at
>> creative folk who just want to get stuff done (not bean counters who have
>> little interest in multimedia nor engineers who love to tinker all day
>> anyway), people who want to ENJOY the act of sitting and working in front
> of
>> the box as much as possible, and will pay for the 'perceived' added
> 'value.
>>
>> my two cents,
>> shane
>>
>>> From: Keith
>>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
>>>
>>> On 3/21/01 9:24 AM, Dick Lague got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
>>>> upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
>>>
>>> This is entirely possible. Steve Jobs elected to start using more
> generic PC
>>> parts in the construction of Macs, hence their decline in price over the
>>> last 3 years and greater compatibility with the rest of the desktop
>>> industry. What I do not understand is why their machines are still so
> more
>>> expensive than comparable PCs. They need to start thinking more market
> share
>>> and less profit. (I ain't startin' no platform war here: I'm a big Mac
> fan
>>> owning two of them, but I'm no Jobsian apologist, either (usually).)
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:13:11 -0500
From: JohnstonWalt@omf.net (Walt Johnston)
To: "Brent Wiscombe"
Cc: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Message-ID: <3AB8D317.7979.5AFD45C@localhost>
Brent,
Thanks for the feedback!
Is the MX-1 looks good in features but the price is a bit steep --
$908 in a catalog I had. If used, I guess I could hope for $700. Is
there less expensive switcher unit, that you know of?
Walt
From: "Brent Wiscombe"
To:
Subject: Re: VideoOnics MxPro DV
Date sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:01:50 -0700
> The MX-1 will do just what you want with upto 4 inputs, either S-Video or
> RCA composite signals. There are other mixers available that will also do
> this, but most of them only have 2 inputs. They will all output a composite
> video signal that can be input to a tape recorder deck or camcorder for
> recording to tape. Only the MXPro DV has a firewire output and firewire
> inputs along with the composite video connections. You do not need firewire
> to keep the good video signal created by your video camera. A composite
> video signal will not degrade noticeably if it is properly cabled. They do
> it in the studio all of the time with composite signals.
>
> Have a great day,
> Brent Wiscombe
> bwiscombe@msn.com
> Mesa, AZ
_________________________________________________________
Walter & Susan Johnston
OMF International
Kaagapay Video Ministry
"Training the Filipino Church Thru Video"
2250 Loucks Rd., York, PA 17404
Phone (717) 767-5118
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:15:58 -0800
From: "Bell, Christopher"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <2DFD7FC271F3D2118E0000C00D0092300B6B3D@CHXCHNG>
I've been researching this stuff myself. At a recent DV to film panel
discussion at the Santa Barbara Film Festival one of the DP's swore by the
500WS NTSC (she liked it better than digibeta). I have screened a number of
examples shot on various cameras. What I liked the best was 24p, followed
by the 500WS PAL then down the line to the ol VX1000. Most of the transfer
houses I spoke with recommended shooting PAL. At the end of the day
lighting, subject matter and the DP seemed to make as much difference as the
camera choice. Depending on the camera you use, you will also want to
adjust settings (i.e. sharpness) and consider using contrast filters. There
is a good breakdown of lower end cameras (with the intent of going to film)
in the current issue of RES magazine. Next month they will tackle higher
end cameras. It also lists most of the major transfer houses and the
questions you should ask.
Mahalo,
Chris Bell
Videographer
City TV18
(805)564-5311
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexei Gerulaitis [SMTP:a_gerulaitis@computervice.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:22 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: DV to Film (DV at all?)
>
> A customer of mine is making a film and is looking for the right video
> equipment to use. His plan so far is to shoot and edit in DV and then
> transfer to film using dvfilm.com services.
>
> He has XL-1 and DVRaptor now, and is considering these choices:
> 1. GY-DV500
> 2. DSR-500WS
>
> I am also throwing JVC's DY-90W and GY-DV700W in the soup.
>
> Budget: as much under $15K as possible.
>
> The main questions are:
>
> 1. Any other choices for the budget? Over the budget? I know Jan and
> Adam will say 480p! If they do, what is the approx. budget for a 480p
> camera package? :-)
> 2. PAL or NTSC? How much worse will NTSC look on film compared to PAL?
> 3. Anyone familiar with dvfilm.com services an what would you recommend
> for the best (and yet affordable) DV to film transfer?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:30:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joel W. Smit"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: A 2HR MiniDV Camcorder Idea
Message-ID: <20010321213026.783.qmail@web5302.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello Everyone,
I had a flash about a 2 hour miniDV camcorder design.
As I recall, some years ago a major manufacturer
marketed a dual drive audio cassette recorder/player.
Why could not a dual drive miniDV camcorder be
designed to record the first hour on the tape in drive
1 and with a bit of overlap continue the recording
uninterrupted on drive 2, all the while maintaning
continuous time code. You could replace the tape in
drive 1 and the cycle continues indefinetely.
Is this a feasible, cost effective camera design or
just a crazy idea? How about just an aftermarket,
external dual drive deck with the same features cabled
via fire wire to avoid cam shake when replacing tapes?
If it could be done with audio tape why not video?
Thinkin' too hard again,
Joel Dubya
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:53:10 -0500
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: A 2HR MiniDV Camcorder Idea
Message-ID:
You might be able to do this yourself if you have a small VTR (say a
Sony GVD-900) and a camcorder that outputs DV even while recording.
(I'm not sure if there are camcorders that output DV while also
recording. I know I've read at least one camcorder's manual where it
specifically mentioned that it does not output on the DV port while
recording to tape. Maybe none do.)
--
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:03:29 -0800
From: Mark Wade
To: DV-L
Subject: PD-150 Owners--time code question
Message-ID:
I'm trying to use the preset the time code feature on my PD-150 but it won't
take. I've followed the manual to the letter and regardless of what time
code I input, when i start recording, it reverts to all zeros (although the
menu reads correctly). (I want to sequentially order the tapes, ie. tape
"one" starts 01:00:00, tape two 02:00:00, etc.). Maybe i'm missing
something, or maybe that feature isn't functioning on my camera. Any clues
appreciated. --Mark.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:01:47 -0000
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID:
Jan:
You are dragging everybody way off at a tangent, the discussion was about DV
cameras!
Perry
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:06:17 +1000
From: Kevin Noble
To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'"
Subject: MSDV Codec
Message-ID:
has anyone had problems with Prem 6.0 & MSDVcodec causing gradual loss of
resolution with multiple rendering.
regards
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:31:39 -0800
From: Scott Farnsworth
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Light Meter & 16:9 anamorphic Lens
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010321143102.03ae9d70@pop1.chek.com>
I have a Sony vx-1000 and I am looking for a good light meter. Any idea on
a good one that isn't going to cost an arm and a leg? Also, I am looking
into purchasing a 16:9 anamorphic lens, any recommendations? Thanks, Scott
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:33:14 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D83B@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Actually Perry, I was responding to the fact that Alexei was asking about
progressive and you had stepped in and stated something that I felt was
confusing about whether there was full resolution Progressive camera. And
from the off list responses that I have had, I don't think my response was
that confusing or off target, as many want to know about true progressive
recording and not frame mode which is what you were referencing but it was
not that clear.
Best regards,
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry [mailto:perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:02 PM
> To: DV-L
> Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
>
>
> Jan:
> You are dragging everybody way off at a tangent, the
> discussion was about DV
> cameras!
> Perry
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:50:53 -0500
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: PD-150 Owners--time code question
Message-ID:
It's pretty easy to go into the User Bit setup when you think you're going
into the time code setup. Another thing that may be messing things up is if
you don't do the proper sequence of clicks. You want to select the preset
number option, use the wheel to adjust, and then click the wheel until you
go to the "return" button and click again. I'll bet that if you don't go
through all the required button steps the TC setting won't take.
EBerlin
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wade [mailto:digidog@frazmtn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:03 PM
To: DV-L
Subject: PD-150 Owners--time code question
I'm trying to use the preset the time code feature on my PD-150 but it won't
take. I've followed the manual to the letter and regardless of what time
code I input, when i start recording, it reverts to all zeros (although the
menu reads correctly). (I want to sequentially order the tapes, ie. tape
"one" starts 01:00:00, tape two 02:00:00, etc.). Maybe i'm missing
something, or maybe that feature isn't functioning on my camera. Any clues
appreciated. --Mark.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:54:02 -0800
From: Peter Liu
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: DPS PVR/2500B
Message-ID:
I am looking for a DPS PVR/2500 with a daughter board AD/2500. If you know
the source of a good used one, please send me an email.
Thanks
Peter Liu
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21414 68th Ave. S.
Kent, WA 98032
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FAX: 253-872-0690
Email: peterl@waterjet-tech.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:57:39 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <200103211757.AA1489568020@mail.xiveren.com>
>Actually Perry, I was responding to the fact that Alexei was asking about
>progressive and you had stepped in and stated something that I felt was
>confusing about whether there was full resolution Progressive camera.
Jan (and Perry):
I thought Jan's points were very illuminating on a subject that is pretty confusing to many folks. The points seemed very on target and relevant to the topic's thread (DV to film) which in my mind very much includes everything from Canon 1 chip 30 frames per second to 24P HD CineAlta.
I just attended Valleyfest film festival which had the following formats shown plus Sony in force with a CineAlta that I got to play around with:
1) Super 8 projected both Super 8 print and video
2) 16mm projected both 16 mm print and video
3) DV projected as 35mm print (using Magic Bullet by The Orphanage)
4) 24P projected as 35mm print (Pin Monkey)
5) DV projected as video
6) 60i HD projected as video
7) 35mm projected as 16mm print and video
8) 35mm projected as 35mm print
And several other unidentified combinations. Needless to say, there was much discussion, debate and questions from directors, producers and DP, much of horribly misinformed about the issues involved.
Despite all the info out there, this is perhaps one of the most confusing issues ever to confront film and video types since the advent of sound. Let's keep the discussion open and free-flowing.
--
stephen
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:19:19 -0000
From: "Ev J. Leong"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Pci video cards for dual monitors on Macs
Message-ID:
hey list,
does anyone got suggestions for PCI video cards on Macs for dual monitor
support? Rather than buying the dual head promax card, I was looking at the
ati card, and the geforce 2 mx version for PCI. What is everyone else
using? thanks ahead of time.
evan
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:22:58 -0800
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID:
Stephan stated:
"I just attended Valleyfest film festival which had the following formats
shown plus Sony in force with a CineAlta that I got to play around with:
1) Super 8 projected both Super 8 print and video
2) 16mm projected both 16 mm print and video
3) DV projected as 35mm print (using Magic Bullet by The Orphanage)
4) 24P projected as 35mm print (Pin Monkey)
5) DV projected as video
6) 60i HD projected as video
7) 35mm projected as 16mm print and video
8) 35mm projected as 35mm print"
======================================
Stephen, in your opinion, what looked good and what looked bad? Or was the
content more important than whether or not it was projected as a print or as
video?
Thanks,
Derek
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:53:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Message-ID: <20010321235329.23549.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
I think the Digibeta deck will have a standard SDI
cable out. Check with whoever rents the decks in your
area, and check with somebody like Promax to see if
your FCP will control the deck so you can batch
capture.
Or you could have the tapes transferred to DV if you
can find somebody with a Digibeta and DV deck. If
they've got Digibeta, they've probably got DVCAM
decks. You can probably buy a DVCAM DSR11 or DSR20 for
the price you'd pay to rent a Digibeta deck for long
enough to get your project done. I'd bet the client
will never know the difference if you transfer the
stuff.
--- steve sanacore wrote:
> Hi again - need more advice from all the experts out
> there;
>
>
> It looks like I will be shooting a project with a
> Digi Beta camera to make
> the client happy. What can I do to edit the project
> on Final Cut Pro on my
> Mac edit suite? This needs to be done with no loss
> in quality. Can I just
> hook up a Digi Beta deck to my Mac with Firewire
> like Mini DV?
>
> Am I getting ahead of the industry here? I would
> like a way to avoid having
> to edit in a post house for big $$$.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Steve
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:02:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV projectors
Message-ID: <20010322000224.24508.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
Probably the easiest thing to do is get a deck like
the DSR20, which has S-video out, in addition to
firewire. Then get a video projector that has S-in. I
don't know if they make video projectors that take
firewire in, but if they don't, they can't be far
away.
--- kabbage wrote:
> Can anyone recommend the best way to digitally
> project a DV movie. I have a
> DV film that I want to take on the road and show in
> small auditoriums.
> Mobility and clarity are my top concerns, as well as
> price of course! Also,
> what is the best method to hook up to the projector
> - via DV deck or
> PowerBook? I would think the DV deck would be better
> since it can't crash
> like a computer can. If anyone has had any
> experience with this, I'd
> appreciate your advice / recommendations.
>
> thanks!
>
> - kabbage
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:07:28 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: MSDV Codec
Message-ID:
Hey Kevin
>has anyone had problems with Prem 6.0 & MSDVcodec causing gradual loss of
>resolution with multiple rendering.
What ever codec you use, you want to avoid going through it to many times.
The quality hit is normally just in the first pass, but some further damage
occurs on successive passes especially if you use filters that create some
fine details or original footage with fine details.
I have developed a plug-in for Premiere called The Consolidator. The
consolidator is designed to consolidate Premiere preview files so as to
avoid loss of Preview files and reduce re rendering to a minimum while
safeguarding the whole workflow. The Consolidator moves the preview files to
a safe folder, renames them and generates an updated project with these
consolidated clips placed over the areas they represent.
I also use the consolidator to optimize building complex multi layered
projects. I also use the consolidator to do some pre processing of clips
with render intense effects like aged film effects. What I do is set the
project settings to non compressed and render out the processed clips as non
compressed just by hitting the render work area menu. What happens is that
the preview files are made as non compressed. I then consolidate the project
and get non compressed clips imported on the timeline. Then I just change my
settings back to DV compression only for final rendering or output. This way
I do everything with only one dv decompression and one DV re compression!
You can download The Consolidator for free at:
www.premieretools.com/Consolidator.asp for more info
www.premieretools.com/Download.asp for free 30 trial
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:17:43 -0800
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010321161258.00af4020@mail.3forces.com>
The sad part of the original posters thinking is that he's not even
considering the
fact that you will be degrading the digibeta originals. I wonder what the
final
delivered format is--VHS? Then no one will care. Back on Digibeta?
If you go to the expense of shooting on Digibeta, then edit on D9---you'll
stay in 4:2:2, and you won't notice any loss in quality--and bouncing
around from Digibeta to D9 and back certainly will be less noticeable than
dropping to DV at some point.
I'd recommend using an editor that's running a Matrox DS system like one of
the editors over at Pigsfly--he won't spend big $$$ and it can be
reasonably done with great results.
IMO
Richard Lin
editTRAIN.com founder
At 03:53 PM 3/21/01 -0800, you wrote:
>I think the Digibeta deck will have a standard SDI
>cable out. Check with whoever rents the decks in your
>area, and check with somebody like Promax to see if
>your FCP will control the deck so you can batch
>capture.
>Or you could have the tapes transferred to DV if you
>can find somebody with a Digibeta and DV deck. If
>they've got Digibeta, they've probably got DVCAM
>decks. You can probably buy a DVCAM DSR11 or DSR20 for
>the price you'd pay to rent a Digibeta deck for long
>enough to get your project done. I'd bet the client
>will never know the difference if you transfer the
>stuff.
>
>
>--- steve sanacore wrote:
> > Hi again - need more advice from all the experts out
> > there;
> >
> >
> > It looks like I will be shooting a project with a
> > Digi Beta camera to make
> > the client happy. What can I do to edit the project
> > on Final Cut Pro on my
> > Mac edit suite? This needs to be done with no loss
> > in quality. Can I just
> > hook up a Digi Beta deck to my Mac with Firewire
> > like Mini DV?
> >
> > Am I getting ahead of the industry here? I would
> > like a way to avoid having
> > to edit in a post house for big $$$.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:16:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <20010322001614.12612.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com>
I've got a DSR500WS, which has 16:9 chips and looks
great. I understand quite a few people are using it
for low budged filmmaking these days. Basic camera is
just under $14,000. You'll need a good quality lens
too, which would be at leat $5,000 at a minimum.
I think the JVC DY-90 has 2/3" 16:9 chips too, though
I'm not certain about that. The D9 recording format
would be better, but you'd need a D9 deck too. Of
course, with the DSR500 you'd need a DVCAM deck.
Your best quality will be to stay with a 2/3" camera
that has 16:9 chips, regardless of the recording
format you use.
--- Alexei Gerulaitis
wrote:
> A customer of mine is making a film and is looking
> for the right video
> equipment to use. His plan so far is to shoot and
> edit in DV and then
> transfer to film using dvfilm.com services.
>
> He has XL-1 and DVRaptor now, and is considering
> these choices:
> 1. GY-DV500
> 2. DSR-500WS
>
> I am also throwing JVC's DY-90W and GY-DV700W in the
> soup.
>
> Budget: as much under $15K as possible.
>
> The main questions are:
>
> 1. Any other choices for the budget? Over the
> budget? I know Jan and
> Adam will say 480p! If they do, what is the approx.
> budget for a 480p
> camera package? :-)
> 2. PAL or NTSC? How much worse will NTSC look on
> film compared to PAL?
> 3. Anyone familiar with dvfilm.com services an what
> would you recommend
> for the best (and yet affordable) DV to film
> transfer?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:30:45 -0800
From: John Hemenway
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
I think this discussion has gotten a bit off track. The original
poster (sorry, deleted msg and don't have name) was commenting how
easy it was to install hardware in his G3 desktop.
This has nothing to do w/ market share, OS, GUI, etc. This has to do
with great industrial design. We're talking HARDWARE here. Apple has
done a great job designing in easy access to the box.
This hasn't always been the case. The Mac+ box was an awful design to
work on. The 4400 line box design musta been found on the back of a
Cracker Jacks box.
The last several box designs have been wonderful. My customers are
always amazed how easy it is to add RAM. I usually open the box and
have them do the install while I watch/talk them thru it.
Every time I mess w/ one of those 'cheaper' PCs I see why Apple
charges more for their computers. Thoughtful design does cost money.
I work at a community college. We don't buy IBM or Compaq, we buy low
bidder in the PC world. The cases are crap. When we buy Apple, for
the most part we get a quality piece of hardware. I hope the upper
end PCs have as good a design as Mac, I don't know. Oh, and while on
the subject of price, is there really that much difference between
the price of a high end name brand PC and high end Mac?
I think that's enough for now. I gotta go slip on my flame-proof undies!!
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:46:52 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Digi Beta to DV or FCP?
Message-ID:
>If You choice this, You have do find a someone with a FCP which can edit
>uncompressed. Because You have the project files and the time code of clip
>You use, this will be a fast job.
Depending on the layering, FCP can export an EDL for a Linear Online too.
The new version even has a mode to keep your EDL simplified for exporting.
Ross "no it's not called iFCP" Jones
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:47:27 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP? Is Offline dying??
Message-ID:
Are we to such a stage in NLE penetration that no one really wants to
export and import an EDL outside of cutting film negatives?
Is the idea of offlining in DV and taking the EDL to a linear or non
linear on-line facility ending?
Is the editing app more important than the hardware, so that we won't
leave our platform?
I understand the DVD authoring dilemmas in moving assets, but we have
timecode!!!
Something to pontificate over,
Ross "can't we all just use cuts and dissolves and simpler titles" Jones
>The sad part of the original posters thinking is that he's not even
>considering the
>fact that you will be degrading the digibeta originals. I wonder
>what the final
>delivered format is--VHS? Then no one will care. Back on Digibeta?
>
>If you go to the expense of shooting on Digibeta, then edit on
>D9---you'll stay in 4:2:2, and you won't notice any loss in
>quality--and bouncing around from Digibeta to D9 and back certainly
>will be less noticeable than dropping to DV at some point.
>
>I'd recommend using an editor that's running a Matrox DS system like
>one of the editors over at Pigsfly--he won't spend big $$$ and it
>can be reasonably done with great results.
>
>IMO
>
>Richard Lin
>editTRAIN.com founder
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:03:44 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: hmmmm..?
Message-ID:
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>With DV, the compression is done in the camera before it is written
>to the tape. Therefore the bit-stream on the tape is in compressed
>format. This is the main reason that a capture card for analog
>video is $500+ and a firewire card is $100. In the analog capture
>card, the card itself has to do both the digital conversion and then
>the compression before passing the bit-stream on to the PC for
>storage. The firewire card merely has to transfer the data back and
>forth unmodified.
Ian/Walt and anyone else who cares to respond,
OK, I have another question while we're on this compressed format
subject. I think I am beginning to understand (a little bit) but
there's a few questions that bother me. I hope I can phrase it
properly.
Let's take iMovie first. I have an iMac and a Sony media converter
box. I have hundreds of stills that I have imported into iMovie.
Originally I had these stills as a Power Point presentation.
When the DV "In" button is on on the media converter box I can press
the play button on iMovie (after bringing in the stills) and it will
project to my TV and record on VCR. I don't have to save it, render
it, nothing. What is it about iMovie that allows you to send it out
as a DV stream, or do I have that wrong?
Now let's try FCP. I import stills into FCP, but so far I've been
unable to find out how I can Print to Video without rendering it
first. Is there a setting that tells it to play "through" without
rendering it?
I guess what I also want to know is, what is it about these two
pieces of software that enable you to project out through the
firewire into media converter box & out to your TV/VCR and record it?
In the case of iMovie it's never been turned into a DV stream first.
Why is it that I just cannot take a Power Point presentation and find
a program that will allow me to project it out through the firewire
and through the media converter? Isn't the scan converters like i
TView like the Sony Media converter box?
Once something is in your computer it's digitized, correct? I always
tell teachers it's stupid not to ask questions, so maybe someone can
give me some insight into this.
Nancy S.
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With DV, the compression is done in the camera before it is written to the tape. Therefore the bit-stream on the tape is in compressed format. This is the main reason that a capture card for analog video is $500+ and a firewire card is $100. In the analog capture card, the card itself has to do both the digital conversion and then the compression before passing the bit-stream on to the PC for storage. The firewire card merely has to transfer the data back and forth unmodified.
Ian/Walt and anyone else who cares to respond,
OK, I have another question while we're on this compressed format subject. I think I am beginning to understand (a little bit) but there's a few questions that bother me. I hope I can phrase it properly.
Let's take iMovie first. I have an iMac and a Sony media converter box. I have hundreds of stills that I have imported into iMovie. Originally I had these stills as a Power Point presentation.
When the DV "In" button is on on the media converter box I can press the play button on iMovie (after bringing in the stills) and it will project to my TV and record on VCR. I don't have to save it, render it, nothing. What is it about iMovie that allows you to send it out as a DV stream, or do I have that wrong?
Now let's try FCP. I import stills into FCP, but so far I've been unable to find out how I can Print to Video without rendering it first. Is there a setting that tells it to play "through" without rendering it?
I guess what I also want to know is, what is it about these two pieces of software that enable you to project out through the firewire into media converter box & out to your TV/VCR and record it? In the case of iMovie it's never been turned into a DV stream first. Why is it that I just cannot take a Power Point presentation and find a program that will allow me to project it out through the firewire and through the media converter? Isn't the scan converters like i TView like the Sony Media converter box?
Once something is in your computer it's digitized, correct? I always tell teachers it's stupid not to ask questions, so maybe someone can give me some insight into this.
Nancy S.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:25:48 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: hmmmm..? To DV or not to DV!
Message-ID:
>I guess what I also want to know is, what is it about these two
>pieces of software that enable you to project out through the
>firewire into media converter box & out to your TV/VCR and record
>it? In the case of iMovie it's never been turned into a DV stream
>first. Why is it that I just cannot take a Power Point presentation
>and find a program that will allow me to project it out through the
>firewire and through the media converter? Isn't the scan converters
>like i TView like the Sony Media converter box?
Well the game is changing because the CPU can work as a DV
encoder/decoder in some apps.
Most of the time you have to have the media in the correct codec for
hardware to output.
>Once something is in your computer it's digitized, correct? I always
>tell teachers it's stupid not to ask questions, so maybe someone can
>give me some insight into this.
There is a team that left Apple to form a company called Generic
Media that is asking this question of the industry. Peter Hoddie
(the original QuickTime brainchild) sees software decoding a master
file to send to all internet connection speeds and even cell phones.
They just released a player/decoder for the Palm OS.
See: http://www.genericmedia.com/ or
http://www.thinkmobile.com/Article/00/00/91/Default.asp
Ross "can't buy that stock yet" Jones
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:35:41 -0800
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Digi Beta to DV or FCP? Is Offline dying??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010321173235.00ab2180@mail.3forces.com>
I was responding to the fact he wanted to edit Digibeta material on his mac
so he wouldn't have to spend
money at a post house. If he said he wanted to offline it, then by all
means do it on DV. Heck I would and
have offlined in MJPEG using 0.5 MB to 1MB/sec for that purpose--no problem
with that.
Richard Lin
At 04:47 PM 3/21/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Are we to such a stage in NLE penetration that no one really wants to
>export and import an EDL outside of cutting film negatives?
>
>Is the idea of offlining in DV and taking the EDL to a linear or non
>linear on-line facility ending?
>
>Is the editing app more important than the hardware, so that we won't
>leave our platform?
>
>I understand the DVD authoring dilemmas in moving assets, but we have
>timecode!!!
>
>Something to pontificate over,
>
>Ross "can't we all just use cuts and dissolves and simpler titles" Jones
>
>
>
>>The sad part of the original posters thinking is that he's not even
>>considering the
>>fact that you will be degrading the digibeta originals. I wonder what
>>the final
>>delivered format is--VHS? Then no one will care. Back on Digibeta?
>>
>>If you go to the expense of shooting on Digibeta, then edit on
>>D9---you'll stay in 4:2:2, and you won't notice any loss in quality--and
>>bouncing around from Digibeta to D9 and back certainly will be less
>>noticeable than dropping to DV at some point.
>>
>>I'd recommend using an editor that's running a Matrox DS system like one
>>of the editors over at Pigsfly--he won't spend big $$$ and it can be
>>reasonably done with great results.
>>
>>IMO
>>
>>Richard Lin
>>editTRAIN.com founder
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:11:22 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
At 6:24 am -0800 21/3/01, Dick Lague wrote:
>I wonder if it was so easy and resonable in price because 2 of the 3
>upgrades are acutally PC pieces?
You mean because Apple made it possible to use PC pieces by
standardizing our components more? True - that helps it be cheap.
What makes it EASY is intelligent industrial design - no screws to
fiddle with, no IRQ's to configure. Just open up the case, plug stuff
in, reboot, the OS finds disk & RAM and works immediately.
With the newer generation of G3 & G4 PowerMacs, the case is even
easier to open, because of the 'door' design - you can even open it
while running...
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:12:47 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP 2.0 Full Version and Upgrades in Stock
Message-ID:
At 9:19 pm -0800 20/3/01, Charles F. McConathy wrote:
>Francois Camoin Wrote:
>
>I don't know why Apple keeps on printing that malarkey - its like someone
>wrote it and it got printed now its the gospel truth or Apple makes more
>money selling SCSI drives or wants to protect its backside or
>something...ATA drives work just fine same as always.
I think the confusion stems from the need for very fast storage for
uncompressed HD, and less so for uncompressed SD.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:49:46 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: hmmmm..?
Message-ID:
At 6:03 pm -0700 21/3/01, Nancy L. Spoolman wrote:
>OK, I have another question while we're on this compressed format
>subject. I think I am beginning to understand (a little bit) but
>there's a few questions that bother me. I hope I can phrase it
>properly.
>
>Let's take iMovie first. I have an iMac and a Sony media converter
>box. I have hundreds of stills that I have imported into iMovie.
>Originally I had these stills as a Power Point presentation.
>
>When the DV "In" button is on on the media converter box I can press
>the play button on iMovie (after bringing in the stills) and it will
>project to my TV and record on VCR. I don't have to save it, render
>it, nothing. What is it about iMovie that allows you to send it out
>as a DV stream, or do I have that wrong?
iMovie uses DV as its internal format. It renders the stills on import.
>Now let's try FCP. I import stills into FCP, but so far I've been
>unable to find out how I can Print to Video without rendering it
>first. Is there a setting that tells it to play "through" without
>rendering it?
FCP uses QuickTime as its internal format, and can cope with multiple
kinds of compression. You need to render to DV before it can output.
>I guess what I also want to know is, what is it about these two
>pieces of software that enable you to project out through the
>firewire into media converter box & out to your TV/VCR and record
>it? In the case of iMovie it's never been turned into a DV stream
>first.
Yes it has.
> Why is it that I just cannot take a Power Point presentation and
>find a program that will allow me to project it out through the
>firewire and through the media converter? Isn't the scan converters
>like i TView like the Sony Media converter box?
You could do this, but the program would have to compress to DV on
the fly, so you'd need a fast G4 if you wanted to see PowerPoints
transition effects.
>Once something is in your computer it's digitized, correct?
Yes, but there are many digital formats, and not all of them are DV.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:03:55 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: F/X challenge (guns and permits)
Message-ID:
No, you are not being paranoid. People have been shot by the police for
wielding toy guns...
Can someone please verify what the established procedure for doing a shoot
like this is? I've never had to get clearances/permits myself, but of course
I've always shot stuff like this in remote locations far from the presence
of the law.
regards
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Spivack [mailto:geophyrd@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:34 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: F/X challenge
Actually, one concern I have is using guns for filming.
I live in Long Island and wondering what will happen if I fire a blank off,
whether I'd be violating zoning. The last thing I'd want is to walk out of
my house 20 mins later into a SWAT ambush.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:13:38 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: F/X challenge (more on prop guns)
Message-ID:
I can hear you laughing all the way here, John, but its true (at least over
here in the Philippines).
Long time ago, my first job was making prop guns out of fiberglass for
extras to use, while the lead actors used real guns. We used real guns but
were so cheap we made props too (but the prop guns I made were real
artworks, I tell ya). This was for B-movie based on the vietnam/killing
fields genre that never actually made money. This was long after Coppola did
Apocalypse Now and long, long after Mel Gibson's Year of Living Dangerously,
and not too long after the Chuck Noris movies.
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: john markert [mailto:accelvideo@mail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:43 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: F/X challenge
LOL!
Why buy more software when the real thing is so cheap and accessible?
-
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:18:58 -0800
From: rdsanders@starway-pictures.com (Starway Pictures - rdsanders)
To:
Subject: Re: F/X challenge (guns and permits)
Message-ID:
I too had the same dilemma with my DV feature "The Dead". We had several
scenes that required characters shooting Glocks, machine guns, etc.
Shooting blanks seemed impossible, noisy and nearly impossible on our
budget. I ran some tests where I had my actors pretending to fire both
plastic replicas and real machine guns with no ammo. They practiced a
faux-recoil and I animated muzzle flames in After Effects. Try painting
white flashes (I used True Lies as reference) in Photoshop, import into AE
and add as realistic a sound effect as possible. So far, NO ONE has noticed
or taken issue with the fact that the guns were not really shot! The only
caveat is a lack of smoke. So, whenever you can hide a guy just out of
frame with some canned diffusion and have them squirt a puff of smoke out.
If you have the timing right, the effect works.
Robert Sanders
www.starway-pictures.com/thedead/thedead.html
>
> No, you are not being paranoid. People have been shot by the police for
> wielding toy guns...
>
> Can someone please verify what the established procedure for doing a shoot
> like this is? I've never had to get clearances/permits myself, but of course
> I've always shot stuff like this in remote locations far from the presence
> of the law.
>
> regards
>
> Randy Quimpo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Spivack [mailto:geophyrd@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:34 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: F/X challenge
>
>
> Actually, one concern I have is using guns for filming.
>
> I live in Long Island and wondering what will happen if I fire a blank off,
> whether I'd be violating zoning. The last thing I'd want is to walk out of
> my house 20 mins later into a SWAT ambush.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:34:21 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: hmmmm..? To DV or not to DV!
Message-ID:
>>In the case of iMovie it's never been turned into a DV stream
>>first. Why is it that I just cannot take a Power Point presentation
>>and find a program that will allow me to project it out through the
>>firewire and through the media converter? Isn't the scan converters
>>like i TView like the Sony Media converter box? Once something is
>>in your computer it's digitized, correct?
>
>Well the game is changing because the CPU can work as a DV
>encoder/decoder in some apps.
>Most of the time you have to have the media in the correct codec for
>hardware to output. There is a team that left Apple to form a
>company called Generic Media that is asking this question of the
>industry. Peter Hoddie (the original QuickTime brainchild) sees
>software decoding a master file to send to all internet connection
>speeds and even cell phones. They just released a player/decoder for
>the Palm OS.
Thank you, Ross. I gather I have to be patient. (The word has never
been part of my vocabulary!) I do appreciate your response!
Nancy S.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:39:22 +0800
From: "deusirae"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Does loading Photoshop plugins eat up RAM?
Message-ID: <200103220235.f2M2ZbA12713@mailx.info.com.ph>
Like the subject line says, does loading Photoshop plugins eat RAM/slow the
computer down? Like loading fonts? Because I notice that Photoshop searches
("initializes"?) for them all when it loads.
Tad
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:01:37 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: hmmmm..?
Message-ID:
>iMovie uses DV as its internal format. It renders the stills on import.
Ah... that makes sense now. Which leads me to another question. I
imported a still from my TRV900, using iMovie. I'd taken it in
progressive scan mode & I was horrified at the result! When I used
Firesnap to capture a still when I had my older computer, the results
were fairly good considering it was taken with a camcorder. I was so
shocked when I saw the still from iMovie. I asked about a program
comparable to Firesnap that I could use as a still capturing program.
I didn't get any response so I looked back through my emails I'd
saved & happened to notice someone talking about BTV Edit. I
downloaded a copy & tried it out. I captured the same still using BTV
Edit & was amazed at the difference! It was much better than the
iMovie captured still. Could this be because iMovie uses DV as its
internal format & BTV doesn't? (I'll have to find out, for sure, what
format BTV uses.)
>> Why is it that I just cannot take a Power Point presentation and
>>find a program that will allow me to project it out through the
>>firewire and through the media converter? Isn't the scan converters
>>like i TView like the Sony Media converter box?
>
>You could do this, but the program would have to compress to DV on
>the fly, so you'd need a fast G4 if you wanted to see PowerPoints
>transition effects.
Well, the G4 will have to wait. Maybe next year. How about the
iMac/600 MHz? Still, I need to find the program first!!
>>Once something is in your computer it's digitized, correct?
>
>Yes, but there are many digital formats, and not all of them are DV.
OK.. I got it! Thank you! You have helped tremendously!
Nancy S.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:12:35 -0500
From: "aew"
To:
Subject: Re: Matrox MegaPac v2.0 & Premiere 6.0 Upgrade Questions
Message-ID: <003d0