DV-L Tue, 27 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 807
In this issue:
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Free NLE
Re: Prem 6 WAS: Easy Mac Upgrade
DV to Powerpoint
Re: OT : help me with this virus (?) please
RE: Carrying case for Pd-150
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Free NLE
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
RE: Digisuite LX
RE: Free NLE
Re: Free NLE
Re: Free NLE
PAL, Premiere and 1394
FW: photo dv ?
RE: Free NLE
Re: DV-L V1 #806
Re: Free NLE
Re: Free NLE
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: FW: photo dv ?
Re: PAL, Premiere and 1394
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Low-Res Capture (Was: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0)
Re: photo dv ?
PAL to NTSC conversion
Re: PAL to NTSC conversion
Re: Low-Res Capture (Was: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0)
FCP2.0 & RTMAX Soon? Charles?
Re: FCP2.0 & RTMAX Soon? Charles?
Campeg RT now available
Re: PAL to NTSC conversion
Adobe Dynamic Media Reel Deadline Extended
RT Mac is shipping!!!
Re: RT Mac is shipping!!!
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Scanners for 35mm slides
Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Re: DV-analog-Converter
Re: slow motion video playback using Windows Media Player?
DVD-R Media Question
Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
RE: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
480P in a film scenario
Re: DVD-R Media Question
Pinnacle DVD Express Claims
Thanks Panasonic...
Re: Any advice for LCD screens?
Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
Re: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
HARDWARE UPGRADE
Re: HARDWARE UPGRADE
RE: HARDWARE UPGRADE
RE: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
Re: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
Installing other codecs in Premiere 6
Re: Pinnacle DVD Express Claims
Re: HARDWARE UPGRADE
RE: DVStorm
Re: DVStorm
Re: AUDIO PROBLEMS: digital distortions when capturing via firewire from tape
Re: AUDIO PROBLEMS: digital distortions when capturing via firewire from tape
RE: Pinnacle DVD Express Claims
Re: Pinnacle DVD Express Claims
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:03:48 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326135226.01e302e0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 11:52 PM 3/25/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Yeah well, L. Glenn Ferguson wrote:
>
> > "There is no longer a disparity in capabilities, and the only choices Mac
> > users seem to have lately is between translucent purple, or green."
>
>This sounds like the beginnings of a platform war to me.
Even if he would have said. "And the only choices PC uses have is beige" -
I wouldn't be offended. Some times, the most gruesome wars starts because
people assume that the will be attacked. WW I started like that ...
We all need to take this less seriously.
BS
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:39:25 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
> > - Even if it would be a success (very strong doubts - even Linux thrives
>> only on a server, which is a very controlled environment with few apps.
>
>True 4 years ago but not today. Linux is becoming a power users OS.
>Especially in the field of graphics and video. It has arguably the most
>highly developed
> IEEE 1394 support of any operating system. I have been surprised and
>impressed by the range of applications.
hmmmm.... I'll have to check today when our Linux guru gets in, but
so far we've been unable to get my QUE Firewire 12x10x32 drive to
work on linux. I know someone has been writing a driver, but every
time we try it, no go. If anyone else has had luck with firewire
CDRW's, I'd appreciate some input. Especially the QUE! 12x10x32.
Thanks!
Nancy S.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:27:52 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
Subject: Free NLE
Message-ID:
Hi everyone,
A friend of mine was inquiring about what NLE he could use to edit family
footage. Of course he doesn't want to spend a fortune and spend months
learning how to use it. All he want to do is straight cuts, a few dissolve,
a few titles and background music.
I believe I read something about a free NLE on the net a year or two ago.
I just can't recall the name of it. I am not even sure if I remember well.
anyone knows of a free NLE with very basic functions for PC?
Thanks
Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:23:46 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Prem 6 WAS: Easy Mac Upgrade
Message-ID: <002d01c0b5f9$569d2fc0$6401a8c0@design1>
I'm using both a DVRaptor and DVRexRT with Premiere 6 and the beta drivers
with minimal problems. The Raptor is in a dual PIII - 700 computer and I'm
seeing render times for a 1 second cross dissolve under 2 seconds. I
addition the latest beta drivers have enabled the Alt-scrub feature so you
can preview the effect before rendering on your NTSC monitor. The audio
mixer enhancements are not implemented yet and on the RexRT there seems to
be a problem with an unnecessary rendering step when exporting to tape but
so far everything else I've tried works fine. I have made it a practice to
remove the old software and drivers completely before installing the new.
That way I'm sure there are no conflicts. Since you can't go back with
Premiere projects anyway I figured there wasn't any reason to keep the old
program and risk unknown problems. If it had really turned out to be a
problem I would have just removed the new versions and reloaded the previous
version. With two copies of Premiere you have to manually insure that the
proper pluggins are in the proper folders for both 5 and 6. With only one
version they automatically install correctly. The cleaner the installation
the less likely you are to have problems.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jackman"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Prem 6 WAS: Easy Mac Upgrade
> Jay Doggett wrote:
>
> >Good luck with Premiere 6 on Windows. I just upgraded and now I have no
>
> >ability to preview my work. The product is hideously slow and you may
> have
> >trouble with stuttering playback. You may want to check out the Adobe
> user
> >forums on their web site.
>
> Jay, what hardware are you running? These are classic driver issues.
> Premiere is dependent on 3rd party drivers for everything but the OHCI.
>
> EVERYBODY: Please post more specific when voicing a complaint like
> this. In many cases, esp with Premiere, it isn't the software but the
> drivers supplied by the hardware manufacturer -- or other conflicts.
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Jackman
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:46:15 EST
From: EarthCare@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: DV to Powerpoint
Message-ID:
I believe this was discussed before, but I cannot find it.
Client wants video to run in his Windows Powerpoint presentation. (Shot with
a VX2000 and edited in FCP and exported to Quicktime and AVI.) The problem is
I cannot place a Quicktime movie compressed with Sorenson into Windows
Powerpoint. Cinepack (mov or AVI) goes in fine, but looks much worse than
Sorenson. The Sorenson codec does not show up in the video codec list, but it
plays fine from the Quicktime player. This occurs on both machines I tried
(Win98 & 2000) with QT Pro 4.1.2 installed and Office2000. This happens
whether I compress on Mac or Windows. Uncompressed looks great but file size
is huge.
I am on the digest, so any suggestions would be appreciated off list (I am
working on resolving this today.)
Thanks in advance.
Darryl
EarthCare@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:41:17 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: OT : help me with this virus (?) please
Message-ID: <005e01c0b5fc$d9878fe0$73a26dc2@default>
Hi Bertel,
Since I don't want to clutter the list with this more or less personal mail,
I'll send you off list a 'thank you' :-)
Ton
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Bertel Schmitt
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: maandag 26 maart 2001 1:44
Onderwerp: Re: OT : help me with this virus (?) please
>At 01:30 AM 3/26/01 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >Reinstall Word
> >If I do this, will it save the text files I've made in Word during 3+
years?
>
>It won't save them, it will leave them alone. But beware, they could be
>infected. Do not touch them before you had run the virus scanner with the
>updated virus definition file.
>
>
>>So my question is: can I install Windows safely without loosing all kinds
of
>>files in all kinds of programs?
>
>
>Yes. Unless you do a "clean install" in which case you won't lose any
>files, but all registry settings and you will have to reinstall all
>applications.
>
>If you have any doubts, find someone who can help you.
>
>
>BS
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:02:43 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Carrying case for Pd-150
Message-ID:
Thanks folks for all the great tips.
That pelican case really looks bomb proof and the price is great
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:32 AM
To: DV-L (E-mail)
Subject: Carrying case for Pd-150
I would love to get the input from this list on the various carrying
case/bag for a Pd-150 (or other cameras of approximately the same size). I
know I could ask my friendly Sony reseller for a case. He most probably
would offer a case that cost $400 (or more) that also has a nice label on it
that read something like: "There is a camera in here; pleeeease steal me".
What do you guys/girls use that provide good protection, ease of
transportation and that doesn't tell the whole world that a you carry a
camera?
Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:25:41 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326152407.03d9e9a0@popserver.panix.com>
At 12:10 AM 3/26/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > - Even if it would be a success (very strong doubts - even Linux thrives
> > only on a server, which is a very controlled environment with few apps.
>
>True 4 years ago but not today. Linux is becoming a power users OS.
>Especially in the field of graphics and video. It has arguably the most
>highly developed
> IEEE 1394 support of any operating system. I have been surprised and
>impressed by the range of applications.
If that is true (I have numbers saying that Linux has approx 30% of the
server market. I have no numbers for the desktop) then I understand even
less why you want Mac-OS-on-Intel. You want it to duke it out with a deeply
entrenched Windows (in all flavors) and a "power users OS" which is free
for the download? I would not enter a market where one contestant has (as
per Judge Penfield) a monopoly, and the other contestant doesn't charge.
I read out of your posts that you are worried that the Mac may lose its
cache because its apps are available on the PC. The major apps have been
available on the PC for a long, long time. This is nothing new and this
ain't the problem. (And I have the feeling that you seriously underestimate
the job of porting apps & drivers to Mac-OS-on-Intel. I still have the
feeling that you somehow think that Mac apps will run out of the box of a
PC if only it had the right OS. They won't.)
The major selling point of the Mac is ease of use, brought about by tight
integration and a harsh regime when it comes to 3rd party hardware. It
doesn't lose this selling point because Photoshop has been available on the
PC as long as I can remember. I have 15 people working with Macs, earning
me money. And despite the fact that this message originates on a PC (at
home) I would never dare to replace the Macs of my graphic artists with
PCs, despite the fact that Photoshop runs on a PC, and Quark runs on a PC,
and Illustrator runs on a PC. They can help themselves now, but if I would
switch them to PC, I would have to move my bed into the office.
My biggest problem at the time is not Mac-OS-on-Intel, my biggest problem
is that my client's Outlook (PC based) doesn't understand attachments sent
via our Outlook (mac based). I had to buy a PC box just for that purpose.
Mac and its OS is a tight package which appeals to a certain market. If you
play that market right, you will survive. I don't know what's more
dangerous, waddling in your own pond, or swimming with the sharks. I leave
that to Steve Jobs. I hope he will make the right decision. Not because I'm
a platform zealot. Simply because I don't want to throw out my considerable
investment in Mac hardware, Mac software, and Mac knowledge at the office.
BS
PS: The Amiga argument doesn't apply. The Amiga never carried the weight
the Mac carries. Take away all the Macs of the world, and advertising
agencies would go bankrupt, magazines would not hit the newsstands and you
would suddenly see hand painted boards on MTV. 4 weeks later, the survivors
would have Intel boxes. But nobody wants that kind of an earthquake. The
death of the Amiga was bemoaned by hobbyists and a cadre of Midi-heads and
toaster-afficionados. Some still use the machine.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:23:52 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Free NLE
Message-ID: <005901c0b600$d78ef760$6401a8c0@design1>
How is he planning to get the video into his computer, is it analog or
digital, what level of quality does he want, and what's he going to store it
on? There's no such thing as a free NLE system there's just a balance
between cost, features, quality, and performance. Since most hardware is
offered in some kind of bundled kit with software find the package that most
closely meets his needs and buy that one.
Starting with nothing but a dream you can buy a complete system with digital
camera, computer, IEEE1394 OHCI board, and software for less than $3000. Add
to that the new Pinnacle software that will soon allow you to create up to
20 minute DVD compatible disks using a CDRW drive that will play back on
your settop DVD player and you have a first class home video production
system.
For a low cost digital system that you add to an existing computer the PYRO
OHCI board and Premiere 6 is selling for about $350 right now. Add a 30-40
gig video hard drive and you've got a little over $500 invested. Some of the
latest Sony Digital 8 and DV cameras will allow you to convert analog
signals fed to their inputs into Firewire digital on the fly so you can
capture those old VHS tapes. My TRV-320 D8 camera will also play any 8mm or
Hi-8 tape out to the Firewire as well. I've had the best luck with computers
based on Intel processors and for OHCI systems I'd want to have at least 500
MHz processor and faster is better.
As far as ease of use, I recently built a DVRaptor system for my Dad. He is
retired and while he is an accomplished PC user he had never done any video
editing before. I spent about 4 hours showing him the basics of using
Premiere 5.1c and the unique differences of the Raptor. Other than a few
phone calls with some questions he has had minimal problems. In the last
month he has edited four projects ranging from a 5 minutes to over an hour
using cuts, dissolves, overlay, titles, voiceover, and music. He's had so
much fun he's now buying DV tapes by the box as he goes back over the last
twenty years of family videos he wants to compile. My advice is to start
with a program such as Premiere that has more capability than you need,
learn to do the basics, and then add the special things as you find a use
for them. Learning a simple program and then starting over with something
else when you reach it's limitations ultimately wastes both time and money.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Free NLE
> Hi everyone,
>
> A friend of mine was inquiring about what NLE he could use to edit family
> footage. Of course he doesn't want to spend a fortune and spend months
> learning how to use it. All he want to do is straight cuts, a few
dissolve,
> a few titles and background music.
> I believe I read something about a free NLE on the net a year or two ago.
> I just can't recall the name of it. I am not even sure if I remember
well.
> anyone knows of a free NLE with very basic functions for PC?
>
> Thanks
>
> Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 06:36:13 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <002901c0b602$1baa2860$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I feel that this is the core of the debate. Applications, applications, and
applications.
As you so eloquently stated:
"The relatively short span of the
computer industry teaches that survival of an operating system depends more
upon the assured availability of applications than on the survival of the
platform upon which those applications are run. "
----- Original Message -----
From: Vizion Communication
To:
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
>
> "Bertel Schmitt" jumped up and down without
> excommunicating anyone and said:
>
> > At 06:39 AM 3/25/01 -0500, Keith wrote:
> > >This is becoming a platform war. Let's drop it now.
> >
> > If this is a platform war, then it's the most civilized I've seen. It is
> so
> > civilized, that even I will join. (I'll unsubscribe myself if I get out
of
> > line...)
> Umph -- who is the only one is step?
>
> >
> >
> > The only thing that's wrong with this thread is its title. It should -
and
> > Vizion tries hard to keep it on topic - read "Mac OS on Intel."
> To the point!
>
> >
> > As that, I believe, the thread is futile:
> >
> > - The premise "if Mac OS would run on Intel" is for naught, because it
> > assumes that Mac OS on Intel will be a success. As Kevin Marks so aptly
> put
> > it "but you want us to give up our business model and take a risk on
> > competing head-on with Microsoft on their turf, when the competition for
> > the anti-Microsoft meme is free Linux distributions?"
>
> Well as I see it, as more and more of the applications which were Mac
> specific become available on the pc Platform Apple, as a platform
> manufacturer, whether it likes it or not, is competing head to head with
the
> PC platform. By the same token it is also competing as an O/S developer
but
> only in a small section of the market. In sheer volumes therefore the Mac
> OS's penetration is miniscule and Linux is slowly gaining on Mac.
>
> Meaning: If you can
> > barely put a dent into the MS stronghold by giving away the OS for free,
> > how can you ever think of making money?
>
> Let us rephrase the key question for Jobs - is there an alternative
business
> model which could make money for Apple other than being dependent on
making
> high margins on our platform business whilst we do a linux with our O/S!
The
> challenge Jobs faces is creating a viable alternative business plan that
> will meet the conditions likely to prevail in five years time.
>
> >
> > - Meaning also (between the lines) : "If Mac OS would run on Intel, and
if
> > it would be a success, why would anyone buy a Mac?
>
> If the answer to this question is "No Reason" then mac survival becomes as
> dependent as the Amiga was on the enthusiastic faith of its adherents
> despite the logic of the market place. The relatively short span of the
> computer industry teaches that survival of an operating system depends
more
> upon the assured availability of applications than on the survival of the
> platform upon which those applications are run. At present Jobs has been
> forced to adopt a twin strategy which which makes the survival of his
> company depend upon the success of a single platform. The first component
> is the maintenance of a market perception that the Apple is unique. That
> perception was easy to maintain when the platform's applications were not
> available to other platforms. The reality of the new universality is
rapidly
> eroding that perception. As happened with the Amiga this erosion of
> perception will not be as quickly felt by established users as it will be
by
> potential new customers.
>
> Another component of the strategy is a financial dependency upon its
> platform attracting unusual sales margins. The longer that strategy
> continues, and the more there is platform universality for its
applications,
> the more vulnerable Apple becomes.
>
> The new conundrum which Jobs has to answer is:
> "Why should a new entrant spend money with Apple rather than anyone else
> when all the applications you could possibly wish to run are available
under
> some other operating system?
>
> A convincing answer is required? A response which focuses on the
> merits/demerits of Apple hardware are a distraction to distraction
informed
> users. They are aware that you can buy whatever quality level you desire
on
> the PC platform. Users will focus on productivity.
>
>
>
> Do you think we are
> > nuts?" I don't think so.
>
> >
> > - Even if it would be a success (very strong doubts - even Linux thrives
> > only on a server, which is a very controlled environment with few apps.
>
> True 4 years ago but not today. Linux is becoming a power users OS.
> Especially in the field of graphics and video. It has arguably the most
> highly developed
> IEEE 1394 support of any operating system. I have been surprised and
> impressed by the range of applications.
>
> > Mac-OS-on-Intel would start with zero apps. The implied premise
> > that Macintosh programs will immediately work on Mac-OS-on-Intel is
just
> > plain wrong. These apps need to be independently compiled, tested, and
> made
> > compatible with the chaotic world of PC-platform-hardware, for which
there
> > won't be any drivers anyway. Forgettaboutit.
>
> Jobs has chosen, as his basis for the new OS, a unix based operating
system,
> easily portable to the PC platform and for which most of the drivers that
he
> requires for the PC platform are already available or very easiy ported,
> from existing, highly proven sources in the public domain and elsewhere.
> Jobs is no fool -- he is ready for the move - if and when the time is
right.
> He will need it in a hurry if, at somje future date, motorola cannot/will
> not supply the chips he needs in the right price/performance ratio. In
such
> circumstances Apple's future will depend upon swift and sure footed
> response.
>
>
> >
> > - Why was NT for the PowerPC such a roaring disaster? Same reason, in
> > reverse: Apps needed to be compiled & tested for Motorola and Mac
> hardware,
> > drivers developed etc. and nobody bothered. Case closed.
>
> I see the argument but not the conclusion. Developers, small and large, do
> not easily see a financial advantage in porting applications to the
> PowerPC/Mac -- the potential sales volumes were inadequate. However the
> reverse has happened -- the key Mac Developers have already ported their
> applications to the PC platform. PC platform developers will not port to
> Mac/Motorola - the economics only work the other way round. Case
definitely
> open!!!
>
> DE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:29:46 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Digisuite LX
Message-ID:
Thanks Alexei, I've logged on to the forum although I couldn't see an
obvious way to read the archives.
I am about to review a system once Matrox UK find some lost kit!
cheers
Perry
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexei Gerulaitis [mailto:a_gerulaitis@computervice.com]
Sent: 25 March 2001 04:02
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Digisuite LX
Perry,
We do, now even with the Max (3D) option.
http://dv411.com/dsmax.html
Nobody is allowed to talk about Max yet (ready? (whispering) it's in
"beta"...), but this *is* the ultimate list for all the insiders, isn't
it? LX is of course long out of beta, and Matrox DigiForum is where you
will find most users:
http://forum.matrox.com/cgi-bin/digiforum/Ultimate.cgi, or, if this one
does not work,
http://www.matrox.com/videoweb/support/ds/forum/agree.htm
Best,
Alexei, http://dv411.com
: Anybody on this using a Digisuite LX?
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:54:15 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Free NLE
Message-ID:
Thanks Walt,
He bought a used DC20. He did not get the premiere version that used to be
bundled with it (4.2??). Don't know why...
I agree with you that a cheap system can be built these days around
Firewire. I believe that he does not want to invest more than what he paid
for the DC20 :-(
I thought I had seen a NLE utility that was around in the not to distant
past that he could have at least tried to get the feel of it. maybe if he
gets initiated he will then want to spend more money...
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:24 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Free NLE
How is he planning to get the video into his computer, is it analog or
digital, what level of quality does he want, and what's he going to store it
on? There's no such thing as a free NLE system there's just a balance
between cost, features, quality, and performance. Since most hardware is
offered in some kind of bundled kit with software find the package that most
closely meets his needs and buy that one.
Starting with nothing but a dream you can buy a complete system with digital
camera, computer, IEEE1394 OHCI board, and software for less than $3000. Add
to that the new Pinnacle software that will soon allow you to create up to
20 minute DVD compatible disks using a CDRW drive that will play back on
your settop DVD player and you have a first class home video production
system.
For a low cost digital system that you add to an existing computer the PYRO
OHCI board and Premiere 6 is selling for about $350 right now. Add a 30-40
gig video hard drive and you've got a little over $500 invested. Some of the
latest Sony Digital 8 and DV cameras will allow you to convert analog
signals fed to their inputs into Firewire digital on the fly so you can
capture those old VHS tapes. My TRV-320 D8 camera will also play any 8mm or
Hi-8 tape out to the Firewire as well. I've had the best luck with computers
based on Intel processors and for OHCI systems I'd want to have at least 500
MHz processor and faster is better.
As far as ease of use, I recently built a DVRaptor system for my Dad. He is
retired and while he is an accomplished PC user he had never done any video
editing before. I spent about 4 hours showing him the basics of using
Premiere 5.1c and the unique differences of the Raptor. Other than a few
phone calls with some questions he has had minimal problems. In the last
month he has edited four projects ranging from a 5 minutes to over an hour
using cuts, dissolves, overlay, titles, voiceover, and music. He's had so
much fun he's now buying DV tapes by the box as he goes back over the last
twenty years of family videos he wants to compile. My advice is to start
with a program such as Premiere that has more capability than you need,
learn to do the basics, and then add the special things as you find a use
for them. Learning a simple program and then starting over with something
else when you reach it's limitations ultimately wastes both time and money.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Free NLE
> Hi everyone,
>
> A friend of mine was inquiring about what NLE he could use to edit family
> footage. Of course he doesn't want to spend a fortune and spend months
> learning how to use it. All he want to do is straight cuts, a few
dissolve,
> a few titles and background music.
> I believe I read something about a free NLE on the net a year or two ago.
> I just can't recall the name of it. I am not even sure if I remember
well.
> anyone knows of a free NLE with very basic functions for PC?
>
> Thanks
>
> Stephan
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:17:11 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Free NLE
Message-ID: <008201c0b608$12360e60$6401a8c0@design1>
In a rapidly changing field like NLE buying 5+ year old technology is just
throwing your money away unless it's for spare parts. Maybe someone has an
old version of Premiere he can buy but even then it's going to be harder.
He's definitely in a dead-end product situation. It would be better to cut
his losses and move on than to fight with old problems with NO support. This
is a classic lose / lose situation.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: Free NLE
> Thanks Walt,
>
> He bought a used DC20. He did not get the premiere version that used to
be
> bundled with it (4.2??). Don't know why...
> I agree with you that a cheap system can be built these days around
> Firewire. I believe that he does not want to invest more than what he
paid
> for the DC20 :-(
>
> I thought I had seen a NLE utility that was around in the not to distant
> past that he could have at least tried to get the feel of it. maybe if
he
> gets initiated he will then want to spend more money...
>
> Stephan
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:47:18 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Free NLE
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326104451.01b2de08@mail.speakeasy.org>
There are a few freeware NLE's around. Only one I could dig up with a quick
search is Zwei-Stein at http://www.thugsatbay.com/ . *Anything's* gotta be
better than Premiere 4.2!!!
Too late to return the DC20 and get a cheap OHCI card?
> > He bought a used DC20. He did not get the premiere version that used to
>be
> > bundled with it (4.2??). Don't know why...
> > I agree with you that a cheap system can be built these days around
> > Firewire. I believe that he does not want to invest more than what he
>paid
> > for the DC20 :-(
> >
> > I thought I had seen a NLE utility that was around in the not to distant
> > past that he could have at least tried to get the feel of it. maybe if
>he
> > gets initiated he will then want to spend more money...
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:48:45 +0100
From: "xavier.battle@libertysurf.fr"
To: dv-l@dvCentral.org
Subject: PAL, Premiere and 1394
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:16:22 -0600
From: shane@soldesignfx.com (Shane Walker)
To:
Subject: FW: photo dv ?
Message-ID:
----------
From: tbruton@mindspring.com
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:42:41 -0500
To: shane@soldesignfx.com
Subject: am on list but can't post
Could you please post this question on the DV list for me.. for some reason
that hasn't been fixed yet.. I can receive messages but can't post them
my question is this..
i went to a workshop on QTVR and was blown away about several products
there.. I saw something called PhotoDV that captures stills from video
clips.
does anyone know where I can pick up a stand alone version of this without
having to buy a firewire card and all that crap?
thanks in advance,
tom bruton
what is the current version right now on that product?
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:27:18 -0700
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Free NLE
Message-ID:
>He bought a used DC20. He did not get the premiere version that used to be
>bundled with it (4.2??). Don't know why...
>I agree with you that a cheap system can be built these days around
>Firewire. I believe that he does not want to invest more than what he paid
>for the DC20 :-(
>
>I thought I had seen a NLE utility that was around in the not to distant
>past that he could have at least tried to get the feel of it. maybe if he
>gets initiated he will then want to spend more money...
Strata Video shop maybe?
Nancy S.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:35:57 -0600
From: tim.haupt@philips.com
To:
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #806
Message-ID: <0056910011064399000002L192*@MHS>
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 07:27:00 -0500
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: Digital 8 Tape question
Message-ID: <3ABDE414.29C251BE@cox.rr.com>
>I just bought my wife a sony digital 8 for family stuff. In the manua=
l
>it says that I need to buy the sony tape that has the D8 logo on it in=
>order to record digital.
You can use either Hi-8 or regular 8mm tape from any vendor. The regul=
ar tape works fine (saves the bits just as well) and costs less than ha=
lf as much. Since it's digital, it either works or dosen't, and the re=
gular works just fine thank you. Sure,=20
Sony and anyone else that sells tape would like you to buy the highest =
quality always, so they can charge you the highest price always.
Tim Haupt
tim.haupt@philips.com=
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:33:15 -0800
From: "masi"
To:
Subject: Re: Free NLE
Message-ID: <004b01c0b687$f9766520$94274fca@a6r2y3>
Stephanie,
I am just starting out and have found the following useful...
Tell your friend to read this article if he is just starting out. It gives
the basics of what he needs for a system.
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/dv/comp_for_vid.htm
Additionally this site gives you a matrix of systems depending on what you
want to do. Walt is correct in advising that you need to know what type of
footage you have and what you want to do with it. Check this out -
http://www.videoguys.com/system.htm#system
...and finally for some free DV editing software. Digital origin has free
trial downloads at http://www.digitalorigin.com/products/products.html Intro
DV has had a lot of praise but I haven't tried any of it. Check it out and
see. It's free!!!
Hope that helps
Masi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
> To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:27 AM
> Subject: Free NLE
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > A friend of mine was inquiring about what NLE he could use to edit
family
> > footage. Of course he doesn't want to spend a fortune and spend months
> > learning how to use it. All he want to do is straight cuts, a few
> dissolve,
> > a few titles and background music.
> > I believe I read something about a free NLE on the net a year or two
ago.
> > I just can't recall the name of it. I am not even sure if I remember
> well.
> > anyone knows of a free NLE with very basic functions for PC?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Stephan
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:36:19 -0800
From: "masi"
To:
Subject: Re: Free NLE
Message-ID: <005701c0b688$3ece7860$94274fca@a6r2y3>
Stephanie,
I am just starting out and have found the following useful...
Tell your friend to read this article if he is just starting out. It gives
the basics of what he needs for a system.
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/dv/comp_for_vid.htm
Additionally this site gives you a matrix of systems depending on what you
want to do. Walt is correct in advising that you need to know what type of
footage you have and what you want to do with it. Check this out -
http://www.videoguys.com/system.htm#system Putting an appropriate system
together can be fairly inexpensive...but not free.
...and finally for some free DV editing software. Digital origin has free
trial downloads at http://www.digitalorigin.com/products/products.html Intro
DV has had a lot of praise but I haven't tried any of it. Check it out and
see. It's free!!!
Hope that helps
Masi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
> To: "DV-L (E-mail)"
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:27 AM
> Subject: Free NLE
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > A friend of mine was inquiring about what NLE he could use to edit
family
> > footage. Of course he doesn't want to spend a fortune and spend months
> > learning how to use it. All he want to do is straight cuts, a few
> dissolve,
> > a few titles and background music.
> > I believe I read something about a free NLE on the net a year or two
ago.
> > I just can't recall the name of it. I am not even sure if I remember
> well.
> > anyone knows of a free NLE with very basic functions for PC?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Stephan
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:57:33 -0800
From: "John Seghers"
To:
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <003f01c0b615$da2d6370$a6dcbdd1@crossgain.com>
From: "Bertel Schmitt"
> - Why was NT for the PowerPC such a roaring disaster? Same reason, in
> reverse: Apps needed to be compiled & tested for Motorola and Mac hardware,
> drivers developed etc. and nobody bothered. Case closed.
My understanding of this is actually quite different. NT was, indeed, ported to the
PPC, and at one point, Apple machines were going to support it. However, all
NT ports to this point have been to Little-endian platforms. While the core OS
could theoretically be ported to a Big-endian architecture, that path would be
fraught with many nightmares due to application file formats--especially when doing
memory-mapped file access.
PPC-based NT systems, therefore, need to run on PPC's that are switchable between
Big and Little-endian. All the Apple OSs have been Big-endian, as that has been the
preferred format of Motorola processors.
What I heard was that the PPC versions of NT were _significantly_ faster than the
comparable Pink/Taligent efforts underway on Apple's hardware. NT is also significantly
more protected than the cooperatively-multitasked Apple OS's. So, in order to lock
PPC-NT off of Apple hardware, Apple chose to use the Big-Endian-only versions
of the PPC (or to force the hardware not to switch--I don't remember which).
This was all happening in the '93-95 time frame, and I could easily have some of the
details wrong.
Bertel's comments above, however, are quite accurate in the essense of the effort
of supporting a new platform even with the same OS. Witness the Alpha processor.
Even though it was significantly higher performance, and had full tools support from
Microsoft, it never became more than a niche market player.
- John
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:14:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FW: photo dv ?
Message-ID: <200103261714.LAA22503@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>From: tbruton@mindspring.com
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:42:41 -0500
>To: shane@soldesignfx.com
>Subject: am on list but can't post
>
>Could you please post this question on the DV list for me.. for some reason
>that hasn't been fixed yet.. I can receive messages but can't post them
>my question is this..
>i went to a workshop on QTVR and was blown away about several products
>there.. I saw something called PhotoDV that captures stills from video
>clips.
>does anyone know where I can pick up a stand alone version of this without
>having to buy a firewire card and all that crap?
>thanks in advance,
>tom bruton
PhotoDV requires firewire. End of story.
MB
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:43:54 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PAL, Premiere and 1394
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326193628.04cd8db0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 04:48 PM 3/26/01 +0100, Xavier wrote:
>This might be a newbie question. Coming from Europe, I
>have a PAL DV camcorder and Adobe premiere 5.1 with PAL
>and NTSC codecs. Can i just get any firewire card and get
>started or should i be concerned about the card-related
>codecs (quite often only NTSC in the US)? Thanks a lot
>for your help.
If you still have Prem 5.1, you should be very concerned about card related
stuff, period.
You need to get Prem 6. Then, and only then, you can buy justabout any
firewire card (as long as it is OHCI compliant - pretty much all of the new
and cheap ones are..) and you won't have to bother with any card-specific
codec, driver, device control which your card vendor may or may not supply.
There are some minor issues related to the operating system you are using,
but since you didn't specify it, we won't get into it either.
BS
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:57:56 -0500
From: Dave Haynie
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <20010326122841.B46C.DHAYNIE@jersey.net>
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:57:33 -0800, "John Seghers" jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> From: "Bertel Schmitt"
>
> > - Why was NT for the PowerPC such a roaring disaster? Same reason, in
> > reverse: Apps needed to be compiled & tested for Motorola and Mac hardware,
> > drivers developed etc. and nobody bothered. Case closed.
> My understanding of this is actually quite different. NT was, indeed, ported to the
> PPC, and at one point, Apple machines were going to support it.
That was the claim. Though actually, if Microsoft wanted to support NT
on the Mac, they could have done it fine on their own, because Mac
hardware specs were available back then. But Apple did, in fact, put a
pseudo-blessing on NT, by endorsing it for server use. The only real
problem with the Mac architecture is that the initial multiprocessor
systems were not fully symmetric, and NT requires this. Maybe it could
have been worked around, but they never got that far, far as I know.
> However, all
> NT ports to this point have been to Little-endian platforms.
This is true.
> PPC-based NT systems, therefore, need to run on PPC's that are switchable between
> Big and Little-endian. All the Apple OSs have been Big-endian, as that has been the
> preferred format of Motorola processors.
All PPCs, like most RISCs, can run in either mode. PPC purists will
claim that performance suffers somewhat in little-endian mode, but
there was no evidence of this in actual systems. Motorola's PPC/NT
machines were generally faster than x86 PCs, back then.
The problem, in the early to mid 90s, was that NT simply had no
applications. Microsoft barely supported it. They had the notion, proven
true in spades, that outside companies would basically bang on NT,
wanting the option of a Windows that could go well beyond where regular
DOS-based Windows could. And they did -- many third party companies
worked with NT, found its problems, built enterprise-level apps, etc.
Finally, with the advent of Win95, Microsoft supported it, by putting
most of the NT applications API in as the new 32-bit API for Win95. But
they did little to require anyone to support NT on other platforms. As
an applications developer, you HAD to support NT-x86 with your
Win95/Win32 application to get Microsoft certification.
> What I heard was that the PPC versions of NT were _significantly_ faster than the
> comparable Pink/Taligent efforts underway on Apple's hardware.
Well, that's certainly possible. By that time, NT was fairly evolved at
the OS level. Pink/Taligent, by contrast, was an early attempt to build
a fully object oriented OS, and they had some design issues that made it
inherently slow, albeit flexible. There were also some really deep-down
flaws, such as the "too many chiefs" syndrome, as many Apple/IBM
projects seem to encounter. And, of course, ultimately, it takes a
number of years to fine-tune an OS. And that's best-case, not under the
total chaos that represented the workings of Apple early 90s.
> NT is also significantly
> more protected than the cooperatively-multitasked Apple OS's.
Protection has zero to with multitasking/multithreading. But "being a
good high-end OS" does, and yeah, NT was better for server-class things.
As of 4.x, it was at least comparable doing multimedia things, for many
of the same reasons. But this is not the issue -- Apple didn't kill NT
on the PowerPC. Microsoft and Motorola, collectively, did this.
> This was all happening in the '93-95 time frame, and I could easily have some of the
> details wrong.
Yup.
My company (Met@box, formerly PIOS Computer) did Mac Clones, and though
it never made it to production, a PPCP (standardized, non-Apple PowerPC
architecture that would probably have made Mac-compatibles as common as
PC compatibles, had Apple supported it rather than killing it...) system
optimized for multimedia work (the "PIOS One"). I was the chief engineer
on the project.
NT was absolutely supported on the PowerPC; if you have an original NT
4.0 CD, you'll find versions for x86, Alpha, PowerPC, and MIPS, in fact.
While many people assume NT first ran on x86, in actuality, it first ran
on MIPS; NEC and Microsoft's NT team (many of whom came from DEC and the
VMS group; DEC was also a MIPS supporter in the days before Alpha was
done) put the first version on MIPS hardware.
The problem was that, upon release of NT 4.0, Microsoft went around
hitting up "the keepers of NT" for money. See, NT on other-than-x86
platforms eventually got handed off to other companies. NEC did the MIPS
version, DEC of course did the Alpha version, and Motorola did the
PowerPC version. Usually, traditionally, you want this -- having a CPU
or systems vendor port and maintain your OS is a very good thing. But
Microsoft decided they were way to powerful for just that. So they asked
for money, in order to support these other CPUs for NT5.0. Not
chump-change either, somewhere in the neighborhood of $30-$90 million,
depending on who you asked at what company.
Motorola looked at the then-forthcoming MacOS, UNIX, and then NT. NT,
having no applications on the PowerPC, was responsible for just a few
percentage points of sales in their computer system division (Motorola's
internal computer works, where the "Star" series came from). They said
"no", quietly. Microsoft then announced, loudly, that they were dropping
the PowerPC. But never told the story, allowing the press to believe it
was the PowerPC, not Microsoft and NT, which were the problem. But have
no doubts, NT failed on the PowerPC. Motorola probably would have ponied
up the ransom if the OS actually helped them.
> Bertel's comments above, however, are quite accurate in the essense of the effort
> of supporting a new platform even with the same OS. Witness the Alpha processor.
> Even though it was significantly higher performance, and had full tools support from
> Microsoft, it never became more than a niche market player.
And DEC did more than anyone else to support NT. For example, FX!32. If
you're unfamiliar with NT, you should know that all versions (including
x86, by the way) come with an x86-real-mode emulation environment, which
allow them to run Win16 applications. This allowed Microsoft to keep all
16-bit code out of the real WinNT system, which keeps performance high
(dropping back to real mode is a terrible thing to do, which is why NT
can outperform Win9x by some big numbers, maybe as much as 25%, on
serious applications). But they didn't let anyone run Win32 applications
for x86, other than for x86. And there were very few others.
DEC came up with a brilliant scheme, an environment called FX!32. You
install a Win32-x86 application under this system, and it's emulated.
But not just emulated, it's profiled and translated. The translations
(into native Alpha code) are persistant -- they don't go away unless you
want them to. And the code is optimized over time, so the more you run
an application, the faster it gets. And it stays fast. They get
something like 50-75% of native Alpha performance from the system.
The first problem was that it's a complex system, and doesn't always
work. So some applications simply didn't run. This improved over time,
but it scared people away, for good. The other problem, of course, was
that x86s actually gained on the Alpha, pushed by performance battles
between AMD and Intel. The best Alphas are still better on
floating-point intensive applications (though the Athlon narrowed the
gap), and on 64-bit applications (but 64-bit NT didn't come out on time,
so everyone who needs this runs UNIX).
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Chief Technology Officer, Metabox Corporation
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:27:18 -0500
From: Neil Goldberg
To:
Subject: Re: Low-Res Capture (Was: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0)
Message-ID:
I wonder if this method would work for those of us in NTSC-land? Ross you
seemed to be indicating it might not. Is this perhaps because of NTSC's
drop-frame rate? Might anyone on this list have had any luck with this
method of low res capture for DV NTSC footage (or any other besides DVTK,
while I'm at it)?
Michael Kristensen wrote:
> With QT 5 p3 you can capture PhotoJPEG in realtime with timecodes intact and
> no dropped frames. I have done it. Take only 1/10 of DV space.
to which Ross Jones responded:
> What frame rate do you set your sequences to?
> AFAIK, the frame rate will not match the DV.
to which Michael Kristensen responded:
> To 25 (PAL)
> Just cheked the captures in QT Player. Yes you are correct. The framerate was
> 22 and it should have been 25. If I had not cheked I would not have known it.
> Everything works fine.
>
> Capture settings: PhotoJPEG 320x240 You can set sound to mono and 8 bit to
> save an extra little space.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:39:50 -0800
From: Joshua Martin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: photo dv ?
Message-ID: <3ABFA916.BE7575A0@texas.net>
Tom,
A few weeks ago I saw that CameraWorld.com had a product called "Photo
DV" their clearance page. Dunna about firewire/current versions...
check it out.
-josh
> my question is this..
> i went to a workshop on QTVR and was blown away about several products
> there.. I saw something called PhotoDV that captures stills from video
> clips.
> does anyone know where I can pick up a stand alone version of this without
> having to buy a firewire card and all that crap?
> thanks in advance,
> tom bruton
> what is the current version right now on that product?
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:07:49 -0500
From: "Phil Pratt"
To:
Subject: PAL to NTSC conversion
Message-ID: <001901c0b628$0d876ce0$06d91a42@triad.rr.com>
I have a PAL VHS tape I'd like to convert to NTSC. I have borrowed a PAL
VCR (actually it's a multi-system VCR that plays back PAL and NTSC and
records NTSC).
The tape plays back fine to my Sony PVM-14 production monitor which
automatically adapts to the PAL signal. Of course, all my DV equipment
(DSR-20 etc) is NTSC.
Can I do the conversion with what I've got, or does it require a conversion
deck?
Phil
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:26:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PAL to NTSC conversion
Message-ID: <200103261926.NAA23852@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
Phil posted:
>I have a PAL VHS tape I'd like to convert to NTSC. I have borrowed a PAL
>VCR (actually it's a multi-system VCR that plays back PAL and NTSC and
>records NTSC).
>
>The tape plays back fine to my Sony PVM-14 production monitor which
>automatically adapts to the PAL signal. Of course, all my DV equipment
>(DSR-20 etc) is NTSC.
>
>Can I do the conversion with what I've got, or does it require a conversion
>deck?
You need one of those VHS/S-VHS decks that will do standards conversion,
at so-so quality, or a real standards converter in order to achieve a
conversion to match the quality of the source video.
But, since it is VHS, a cheapie conversion VCR will work.
MB
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:44:00 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Low-Res Capture (Was: DV Toolkit and FCP 2.0)
Message-ID:
>I wonder if this method would work for those of us in NTSC-land? Ross you
>seemed to be indicating it might not. Is this perhaps because of NTSC's
>drop-frame rate? Might anyone on this list have had any luck with this
>method of low res capture for DV NTSC footage (or any other besides DVTK,
>while I'm at it)?
I had no empirical evidence, but I was guessing that the frame rate
might be lower than desired due to processor loads.
Check the info & documentaries list at 2-pop.com, but the most highly
touted low rez capture method still involves a USB MJPEG device
(eskapelabs.com) with deck control (timecode) coming over FireWire.
I have not investigated the (software only) low rez capture features
in QuickTime5, but I will try to before BEA/NAB.
There is work going on with dual processors decoding dual DV streams,
but I can foresee a solution where one processor decodes and the
other encodes the video into a different codec.
Ross "We need a Final Four for DV software!" Jones
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:45:33 -0500
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: FCP2.0 & RTMAX Soon? Charles?
Message-ID:
Any news on the Promax RT Card would be appreciated.
Thanks Much
DP
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:59:13 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: FCP2.0 & RTMAX Soon? Charles?
Message-ID: <1010326120029.32422bf.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1600701@mail.promax.com>
D P Wrote
>Any news on the Promax RT Card would be appreciated.
>Thanks Much
>DP
We need to about the end of June to finish RT-MAX. We will show it at NAB
in Booth #M9359
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:04:57 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Campeg RT now available
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326150002.029ba370@pop3.concentric.net>
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=20
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=20
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=20
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The first DVD authoring application for consumers, MyDVD makes it easy to=20
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=20
intuitive authoring, MyDVD makes it possible for home video enthusiasts to=
=20
take video, music, digital photos, and scanned artwork and create their own=
=20
interactive movies. Users can record their finished DVD projects to=20
low-cost CD-R devices, and MyDVD automatically writes a software player on=
=20
the disc, making it easy to publish interactive videos on universal,=20
low-cost media and play them back on virtually any PC.
For more info, check out http://www.videoguys.com/campegrt.html
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The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
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------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:07:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "John D. Skov"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PAL to NTSC conversion
Message-ID:
I work for a company that specializes in this as one of our
services. E-mail me for more info. (we use a panasonic AG-W1 which
converts between NTSC/SECAM/PAL/N-PAL/M-PAL)
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Phil Pratt wrote:
> I have a PAL VHS tape I'd like to convert to NTSC. I have borrowed a PAL
> VCR (actually it's a multi-system VCR that plays back PAL and NTSC and
> records NTSC).
>
> The tape plays back fine to my Sony PVM-14 production monitor which
> automatically adapts to the PAL signal. Of course, all my DV equipment
> (DSR-20 etc) is NTSC.
>
> Can I do the conversion with what I've got, or does it require a conversion
> deck?
>
> Phil
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:16:16 -0800
From: "Robert MacCaul"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Adobe Dynamic Media Reel Deadline Extended
Message-ID:
Hi, folks.
Adobe is still looking for material for our Dynamic Media Demo Reel. Due
to overwhelming response, the deadline has now been extended to March 30th
- meaning you still have 3 days time to get your stuff and your name on our
reel.
Except for the extended deadline, nothing else has changed, meaning:
Our annual reel plays at all the major tradeshows around the world--
beginning with NAB 2001.
The reel helps us show the world what's possible with Adobe Dynamic Media
products (like Premiere and After Effects). The reel helps you promote
yourself, your work and your company.
Preferred formats are NTSC: DigiBeta, MiniDV, BetaSP, and we can also
accept 3/4.
It would be great if you could send a VHS copy along with one of the above
It would also be great if you could include information about which Adobe
products you used and how you used them in your work.
We can't guarantee that everything submitted will be included. But we make
every effort to try.
Lastly, we need a signed release form with your material, or we cannot use
it. Here is the url to get our PDF release form:
http://www.adobe.com/motion/firstperson/demoreel.html
Send your stuff to:
Erica Schisler
Adobe Systems
801 North 34th Street
Seattle, WA 98103-8882
Thank you!
rmaccaul@adobe.com
Web Community Specialist, Dynamic Media
Adobe Systems Incorporated
www.adobe.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:34:46 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RT Mac is shipping!!!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326153318.03b45b30@pop3.concentric.net>
Just wanted to let you guys know that the RT Mac is very real and it is
shipping. We've completely sold out our initial shipment. More units coming
later this week. We will fill all backorders as fast as we can get product
from Matrox.
Gary
The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
The Desk Top Video Handbook On Line http://www.videoguys.com
All DTV purchases come with our exclusive 30 day customer
assurance program and FREE Tech Support (516) 759-1615
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:38:46 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: RT Mac is shipping!!!
Message-ID: <1010326123852.3264025.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1601722@mail.promax.com>
Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox Wrote
>Just wanted to let you guys know that the RT Mac is very real and it is
>shipping. We've completely sold out our initial shipment. More units coming
>later this week. We will fill all backorders as fast as we can get product
>from Matrox.
>
>Gary
>
We have RTMac in stock.
Charles F. McConathy, President
ProMax Systems, Inc. - 16 Technology Drive #106 - Irvine, CA 92618
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:04:54 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326215857.03a3fec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 12:57 PM 3/26/01 -0500, Dave wrote:
>That was the claim. Though actually, if Microsoft wanted to support NT
>on the Mac, they could have done it fine on their own, because Mac
>hardware specs were available back then ....
Extremely good and insightful post, Dave - as usual. Brought back a lot of
old memories. And taught me a lot of new stuff. I thought I knew most of
the MSFT dirt of the early 90's, but the $30 - $90 Million had escaped me.
Maybe because it happened in the late 90's. At this point, there was too
much dirt to track and I had lost interest. Thank you for a rare view of OS
reality.
BS
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:48:47 -0800
From: "HarveyZ"
To:
Subject: Scanners for 35mm slides
Message-ID: <000701c0b636$27c3b380$a204e8d8@bc.hsia.telus.net>
Looking for a moderately priced scanner that will do 21/4 to 35mm positives
and negatives. 90% of what we have to do is 35mm but being able to scan a
larger format might come in handy. This is for a television documentary
using still images. Is there any scanner feature specific to video
production I should be looking for? Any scanner model recommendations
welcomed.
Thanks
HZ
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:57:31 -0500
From: Dave Haynie
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <20010326154333.8CE4.DHAYNIE@jersey.net>
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:04:54 +0200, Bertel Schmitt jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> At 12:57 PM 3/26/01 -0500, Dave wrote:
>
> >That was the claim. Though actually, if Microsoft wanted to support NT
> >on the Mac, they could have done it fine on their own, because Mac
> >hardware specs were available back then ....
> Extremely good and insightful post, Dave - as usual. Brought back a lot of
> old memories. And taught me a lot of new stuff. I thought I knew most of
> the MSFT dirt of the early 90's, but the $30 - $90 Million had escaped me.
> Maybe because it happened in the late 90's.
I had some really good contacts, who mostly remain friends, at Motorola.
Alas, they're no longer Motorola employees. And, having been there
during the Fall of Commodore, I had all the experiential symapthy for
them.
> At this point, there was too
> much dirt to track and I had lost interest. Thank you for a rare view of OS
> reality.
It's kind of cool to be able to tell such tales. I wish I had some more
positive stories of those days. Or had caught the fall on tape. I did
actually make a movie about the end of Commodore (oddly enough, I just
did a "Beta 1" digital remaster of this, I was asked to speak at an
Amiga conference in St. Louis next weekend). It's sad, all the lost
potential in this biz.
When you've really been there, all along, you realize that, in a big way,
the Hot Tools we have today are only shadows of what might have been.
Not to knock the toolmakers (I use Sonic Foundry, but there's good stuff
at many companies), but their products are a convolution of the best
you can think of against the best the OS makes practical.
I had the idea (not possible for "Beta 1") of re-editing this video,
it's by far the best thing I've done on the creative side. But in
reviewing it, even given the heinously primitive days of the early 90s,
analog roll editing, TBCs, etc. it's frighteningly up to date, visually.
And this was done on-the-cheap, Amiga-wise. I had a GVP TBC Plus, a
SuperGen 2000, a JVC SVHS deck with IR control provided by Scala MM300,
a Control-L interface for my Sony Video8 camcorder, etc. Caveman, by
today's standards. But I found most of my complaints were audio-related.
So I'm thinking, on the topic, what if Commodore/Amiga survived, with
the video focus of 1990-1993. Or what if Apple had been successful, on a
much larger scale, with Taligent or Rhapsody, and the same basic
multimedia focus, in the latter 90's. What we see today is great,
compared to what I had to do to get my video done back in '94, but it
could have been so much better.
The only real lesson is this: be careful who you invest with power.
--
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Chief Technology Officer, Metabox Corporation
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:13:44 -0700
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Message-ID: <3ABFB108.B919B6EB@familydocumentaries.com>
Make sure it has an auto feeder. It's the one thing I wish my coolscan had. It takes about 90 to 120 seconds to load scan and save a slide at high res. Not enough time to involve
yourself in another task, but long enough to make you feel like you ar getting nothing done.
HarveyZ wrote:
> Looking for a moderately priced scanner that will do 21/4 to 35mm positives
> and negatives. 90% of what we have to do is 35mm but being able to scan a
> larger format might come in handy. This is for a television documentary
> using still images. Is there any scanner feature specific to video
> production I should be looking for? Any scanner model recommendations
> welcomed.
>
> Thanks
> HZ
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:27:22 -0800
From: "John Seghers"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-analog-Converter
Message-ID: <00e601c0b63b$8b907600$a6dcbdd1@crossgain.com>
From: "Perry"
> There is a (positive) review in the latest Computer Video (UK) but no
> mention of what the single LANC connector is for. Anybody know?
I have the Dazzle Hollywood DV-Bridge connected to a Sony Hi-8
(TVC-70 IIRC). The LANC does just what you might expect. It allows
the software (I'm using StudioDV at the moment) to see the DV-Bridge/Sony
combination as if it were a DV camcorder as far as playback is concerned.
The deck control functions work fine, and the timecode is sent from the
camcorder to the computer. There is only the Firewire connection between
the DV-bridge and the computer as one would expect.
I'm assuming--although I haven't dug the Sony manual out--that the video
connectors on it are output only, so I've not tried to do a record-to-Hi-8.
Rather, I'm recording to an SVHS deck that has no LANC (or any other than
manual) deck control, so I don't know if the LANC on the DV-Bridge is useful
here.
Of course the "time code" here is simply the tc counter from the camcorder
which on Hi-8 is only time-since-reset rather than a recorded tc on the tape.
- John
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:37:46 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: slow motion video playback using Windows Media Player?
Message-ID:
At 6:50 am +0000 26/3/01, bob something wrote:
>I would like to be able to play back AVI or MP2 video clips in slow
>motion (forward and reverse) for teaching purposes. I would like to
>play back faster than frame by frame and slower than full speed,
>probably somewhere between 4 to 10 frames per second. Is it
>possible to customize Windows Media Player to permit interactive
>control of playback speed. If someone has done this or attempted
>it, I would appreciate any advice you can offer.
QuickTime lets you do this for AVIs and MPEG1's as well as other
supported formats (Movie, obviously).
You can use custom controls like these at
http://homepage.mac.com/qt4edu/widgets/index.html
or you can use the standard qt controller and use the ctrl key on mac
or alt key on windows to vary the speed by clicking on the frame step
buttons in the browser controller.
Playing faster than realtime will increase CPU load; playing
backwards is even more demanding because of the way frame
differencing works - don't do this with heavily compressed video.
http://www.cit.cornell.edu/atc/tech/winmovieplayer/mp3w.html#Scratching
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:32:27 -0500
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: DVD-R Media Question
Message-ID:
Is the dvd-r media that apple is selling (5 Pack/$49.95) compatible with the
Pioneer DVR-S201 as well? The 4.7GB dvd-r's are still listing for 39.95 PER
disc.
Thanks All.
DP
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:55:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Mathew
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Message-ID: <7241377.985647303781.JavaMail.imail@cheeks.excite.com>
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:48:47 -0800, DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
There are only 3 scanners, I know of, that can scan 120/220 and 35mm film.
They are:Minolta Dimage Multi, Nikon LS 4500SF and the Poloroid Sprintscan
45I. The price of the nikon and the poloroid are around 5,500 and 6,500
respectively. The Minolta goes for around 1,900 but the quality may not be
as high as the other two. Both the Nikon and the poloroid can do 4x5 film as
well, which may be overkill for you. If you only have a few 120 to scan, to
save money you can go for a 35mm scanner like the Nikon Coolscan LS-2000 and
have the medium format sent to a service bureau for Photo CD capture. They
cost around 15 bucks per image but image quality is very good. I faced a
similar situation and went for the coolscan. Works like a charm....
-joseph:)
> Looking for a moderately priced scanner that will do 21/4 to 35mm
positives
> and negatives. 90% of what we have to do is 35mm but being able to scan
a
> larger format might come in handy. This is for a television documentary
> using still images. Is there any scanner feature specific to video
> production I should be looking for? Any scanner model recommendations
> welcomed.
>
> Thanks
> HZ
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:58:10 -0500
From: "digifilm@atlanticdv.com"
To:
Subject: Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Message-ID:
For multiple images a Firewire Scanner or USB is best SPEED is the key -
Additionally, many new scanners have built in trays for transparencies -
negatives or slides - I use one at the university that scans up to an 8x10
transparency at 1200 dpi optical resolution - much more then needed for
video -
in my studio I have a flatbed $99 USB scanner adn a $189. USB 35 mm slide
and USB scanner -
That works for me -
on 3/26/01 3:48 PM, HarveyZ at zinc@telus.net wrote:
> Looking for a moderately priced scanner that will do 21/4 to 35mm positives
> and negatives. 90% of what we have to do is 35mm but being able to scan a
> larger format might come in handy. This is for a television documentary
> using still images. Is there any scanner feature specific to video
> production I should be looking for? Any scanner model recommendations
> welcomed.
>
> Thanks
> HZ
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:07:51 -0500
From: "digifilm@atlanticdv.com"
To:
Subject: Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Message-ID:
Again I think the idea of going to video is what is important here - the
nikon coolscan and the polaroid are designed to get the highest quality
image for printing - the new family of multi-purpose scanners - that handle
printed material as well as transparencies is ideal for what you want - the
cost for an 1800 dpi (true optical) firewire scanner is approx $600.
on 3/26/01 5:55 PM, Joseph Mathew at jmat28@excite.com wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:48:47 -0800, DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>
>
> There are only 3 scanners, I know of, that can scan 120/220 and 35mm film.
> They are:Minolta Dimage Multi, Nikon LS 4500SF and the Poloroid Sprintscan
> 45I. The price of the nikon and the poloroid are around 5,500 and 6,500
> respectively. The Minolta goes for around 1,900 but the quality may not be
> as high as the other two. Both the Nikon and the poloroid can do 4x5 film as
> well, which may be overkill for you. If you only have a few 120 to scan, to
> save money you can go for a 35mm scanner like the Nikon Coolscan LS-2000 and
> have the medium format sent to a service bureau for Photo CD capture. They
> cost around 15 bucks per image but image quality is very good. I faced a
> similar situation and went for the coolscan. Works like a charm....
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:26:15 -0800
From: "bill"
To:
Subject: RE: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <004b01c0b64c$27388880$6801a8c0@DJW4X501>
Does anybody know about when Apple is going the other direction (OS X on
Intel)?
Thanks,
-billb
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Haynie [mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Mac OS on Intel. Was: Easy Mac upgrade
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:04:54 +0200, Bertel Schmitt
> jammed all night, and by sunrise was
> heard saying:
>
> > At 12:57 PM 3/26/01 -0500, Dave wrote:
> >
> > >That was the claim. Though actually, if Microsoft wanted
> to support NT
> > >on the Mac, they could have done it fine on their own, because Mac
> > >hardware specs were available back then ....
>
> > Extremely good and insightful post, Dave - as usual.
> Brought back a lot of
> > old memories. And taught me a lot of new stuff. I thought I
> knew most of
> > the MSFT dirt of the early 90's, but the $30 - $90 Million
> had escaped me.
> > Maybe because it happened in the late 90's.
>
> I had some really good contacts, who mostly remain friends,
> at Motorola.
> Alas, they're no longer Motorola employees. And, having been there
> during the Fall of Commodore, I had all the experiential symapthy for
> them.
>
> > At this point, there was too
> > much dirt to track and I had lost interest. Thank you for a
> rare view of OS
> > reality.
>
> It's kind of cool to be able to tell such tales. I wish I had
> some more
> positive stories of those days. Or had caught the fall on tape. I did
> actually make a movie about the end of Commodore (oddly enough, I just
> did a "Beta 1" digital remaster of this, I was asked to speak at an
> Amiga conference in St. Louis next weekend). It's sad, all the lost
> potential in this biz.
>
> When you've really been there, all along, you realize that,
> in a big way,
> the Hot Tools we have today are only shadows of what might have been.
> Not to knock the toolmakers (I use Sonic Foundry, but there's
> good stuff
> at many companies), but their products are a convolution of the best
> you can think of against the best the OS makes practical.
>
> I had the idea (not possible for "Beta 1") of re-editing this video,
> it's by far the best thing I've done on the creative side. But in
> reviewing it, even given the heinously primitive days of the
> early 90s,
> analog roll editing, TBCs, etc. it's frighteningly up to
> date, visually.
> And this was done on-the-cheap, Amiga-wise. I had a GVP TBC Plus, a
> SuperGen 2000, a JVC SVHS deck with IR control provided by
> Scala MM300,
> a Control-L interface for my Sony Video8 camcorder, etc. Caveman, by
> today's standards. But I found most of my complaints were
> audio-related.
>
> So I'm thinking, on the topic, what if Commodore/Amiga survived, with
> the video focus of 1990-1993. Or what if Apple had been
> successful, on a
> much larger scale, with Taligent or Rhapsody, and the same basic
> multimedia focus, in the latter 90's. What we see today is great,
> compared to what I had to do to get my video done back in '94, but it
> could have been so much better.
>
> The only real lesson is this: be careful who you invest with power.
>
> --
> Dave Haynie dhaynie@metaboxusa.com http://www.metaboxusa.com
> Chief Technology Officer, Metabox Corporation
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:46:57 -0500
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: 480P in a film scenario
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A409D854@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
I know with all of the postings on progressive vs. interlace vs shooting in
PAL etc, this might have some interest with the group.
Another great article on 480p production. This one is from Broadcast
Engineering.
Enjoy.
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480p production systems
By Tony Salgado
My work as director of photography has afforded me the capacity to work with
numerous film and digital videotape formats during my career. In early
1999, after shooting countless projects using NTSC, PAL and HDTV interlace
formats, I was given the opportunity to work in progressive scan using
Panasonic's DVCPRO Progressive format, also known as 480p. After conducting
camera tests and research with various digital formats including digital
Betacam and 1080i HDCAM (at the time of this production 24psf or 720p were
not available), I selected 480p to shoot my first project -- a short digital
film entitled "Crystal Clear." After comparing image quality, it was
apparent acquisition in a progressive scan format offered significant
improvements over interlace.
It was apparent that acquisition in a progressive scan format offered
significant improvements over interlace. The most astounding aspect of the
entire project was screening the D-5 HD master on a 50-foot movie screen,
which clearly proved 480p origination was ideal for large-screen video
projection. The primary benefits of starting with 480p are: progressive scan
recording allows increased vertical resolution and it significantly reduces
interlace motion and detail artifacts; 60 progressive frames are recorded
per second resulting in a sharper image with less motion blur than
interlace; and 480p allows the use of existing NTSC support equipment and
infrastructure during both field and post-production.
The 480 progressive recording format captures each image as a full frame, 60
times per second compared with interlace-where the frame is scanned as two
fields creating an odd and an even sequence. Even when a recording that
originated in progressive mode is downconverted to NTSC, the images maintain
a substantial improvement in the reduction of interlace artifacts such as
interline twitter and jaggies. Slow motion playback in 480p is very smooth
and fluid and it must be seen firsthand to truly appreciate the advantages
of shooting 60 progressive frames per second.
The budgetary aspects of using 480p as an origination format are quickly
realized with location production. The cost of renting a camera package is
comparable to that of a standard definition, but the progressive image
quality exceeds any current interlace 601 format.
The Panasonic AJ-PD900WA camera has the unique ability to select different
record modes in DVCPRO (4:1:1), DVCPRO50 (4:2:2) or 480 progressive (4:2:0)
in addition to being switchable between 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratios. The
PD900's diversity is unheard of in the world of digital production equipment
and makes this camera an extremely flexible unit. The camera includes two
internal 480p to NTSC downconverted outputs allowing for compatibility with
existing NTSC monitors, playback and video assist stations. In contrast,
shooting in HDTV and monitoring in NTSC requires external downconversion
equipment on set. Using 480p allows a director the assurance that, while
the camcorder records in 480 progressive mode, an NTSC output is available
and suitable for evaluation of content, framing, depth of field and lighting
design.
The field production process for my digital feature started with an
AJ-PD900WA camera outfitted with Canon high-definition zoom lenses. My
primary objective in choosing HD lenses instead of standard definition
lenses was to maximize image quality for transfer to 35mm film. I firmly
believe in applying a film production philosophy to electronic
cinematography by starting with the superior glass in the front of the
camera to maximize optical image quality. The results were quite apparent
when, during the screening of a 480p to 35mm transfer at a major high
definition facility in Los Angeles, the images were mistaken to have
originated on 1080/60i high definition.
As a director of photography my intent is to create images that maximize
electronic cinematography. I personally place a strong emphasis on using
"film style" lighting while working within the limited dynamic range that
all digital cameras have to contend with. I have termed this lighting
technique "film-for-tape style lighting." Regardless of what manufacturers
have said about the ability their digital camcorders have to faithfully
reproduce a scene compared to a motion picture film, it is apparent in my
experience that film maintains greater exposure latitude - especially in the
highlight areas. Careful attention to avoid excessive white clipping and
crushing of blacks will offer an ideal digital emulsion for transfer to
film.
Post production with 480p can be accomplished using the Panasonic AJ-PD950A
studio VTR, which outputs a downconverted video signal via 601 serial
digital, analog component, composite or 480 progressive analog or serial
digital. During the downconversion, the original 59.94 progressive frames
are downconverted to 59.94 fields. Progressive frame one becomes interlace
field one, progressive frame two becomes interlace field two. 480p utilizes
29.97 non-drop or dropframe timecode, which makes downconversion to NTSC
extremely simple. The use of 29.97 timecode within a 59.94 frame rate can
be confusing. However, it can be easily understood by carefully examining
how 480p scans and records the progressive image.
In interlace, a second of time is made up of 59.94 odd and even fields that
make up a total of 29.97 frames. It is a commonly accepted practice to
round off the fields to 60 and the frames to 30. Since each field (half a
frame) is captured at 1/60 sec, a progressive frame can be scanned in the
same amount of time by doubling the horizontal scan rate to 31.468Hz. This
method allows for squeezing in a full progressive frame in the same temporal
period 1/60 sec, which previously represented a field. The timecode in 480p
can therefore use 29.97, which makes it compatible with a multitude of
existing production and post production NTSC equipment. The same timecode
method is also used for 720 progressive. 480p can later be converted to a
segmented frame via Panasonic's AJ-UFC1800 Universal Format Converter by
dividing the progressive frame into odd and even fields that each contain
the same temporal information. This method will allow for post-production
editing using interlace equipment while maintaining the progressive temporal
advantages.
I have used 480p as an interim acquisition format for delivery of high
definition programs by acquiring in 480p and upconverting to high definition
720p or 1080i during online editing. The results have proven that
originating in progressive is beneficial when upconverting to high
definition or when transferring to 35mm film. 480p is an effective and
high-quality alternative for productions that are seeking progressive frame
imagery suitable for airing on SDTV, upconverting to HDTV and/or
transferring to 35mm film. 480p represents an economical entry point for
eventual conversion to high definition, but maintains compatibility within
an established NTSC infrastructure.
Copyright 2001 Intertec Publishing. All rights reserved.
----------------------------------------
For more information on Panasonic's HD Cinema line of acquisition, mastering
& presentation solutions, please visit:
http://www.panasonic.com/hdcinema
Visit Broadcast Engineering online at:
www.broadcastengineering.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:22:55 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: DVD-R Media Question
Message-ID: <1010326162258.3329921.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1608793@mail.promax.com>
D P Wrote
>Is the dvd-r media that apple is selling (5 Pack/$49.95) compatible with the
>Pioneer DVR-S201 as well? The 4.7GB dvd-r's are still listing for 39.95 PER
>disc.
>
>Thanks All.
>DP
No the Media that Apple is selling if good for the SuperDrive only.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:46:20 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV-L Organization"
Subject: Pinnacle DVD Express Claims
Message-ID:
Anybody know what Pinnacle is doing differently in order to claim that
their DVD Express product to be released later this year will allow
burning video to standard CD-R and CD-RW discs and still be playable in
most home or consumer DVD players???
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:10:35 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Thanks Panasonic...
Message-ID: <000201c0b66b$7ebc00e0$4423a8c0@dell420>
Jan:
Please relay to Panasonic my thanks for sponsoring the Cucalorus film
festival in Wilmington, NC. I met Jim Jensen of Panasonic there - a very
nice guy who participated in the panels. Panasonic provided a wonderful HD
projector for the video portion of the screenings - it's huge and heavy but
oh what a picture. Plus, Jim also brought a 900WA that was hooked up to the
projector for live shots on the screen to provide entertainment in-between
screenings.
Panasonic really helped make this years festival great - thanks for
supporting independent film and video makers in North Carolina.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's better to light a candle then to curse the darkness."
--Carl Sagan
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:20:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joel W. Smit"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Any advice for LCD screens?
Message-ID: <20010327032031.13563.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi Matthew,
I don't know much about the apple displays.
General info on LCD displays is as follows. Active
Matrix (Thin Film Transistors) are currently the ones
to get. HPA (High performance Addressing?) Displays
are poorer quality.
I have read LCD monitors are not as good for motion
editing such as DV and animation due to motion
blurring, but are superior to CRTs at text and
graphics. I question if this is really true, though.
"They" say a 15" LCD monitor compares to a 16" CRT
display due to the way the CRT besel covers the tube.
17" LCD = 18" CRT etc.
The best configuration is a digital video display card
connected to a digital LCD. Using the analog input to
an LCD monitor can result in a less sharp picture.
LCDs definitely don't have the flicker problems of CRT
screens so are easier on the eyes and can be *filmed*
with a video camera without scrolling bars effect of
CRTs. LCDs have a shallower angle of sight than tube
displays, have smaller, lighter foot print, use less
NRG and are just way cool looking.
The BIG news in LCD monitors is that prices are
falling and will hit remarkable lows around
summertime.
The BIGGER news is in LED technology, although some
time away, (and maybe not all that much time) is that
technology borrowed from ink jet printers will allow
LED screens to be "printed" on thin flexible sheets of
clear plastic for pennies.
That is the extent of my research.
Hope this helps.
Joel Dubya
--- Matthew Groves wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have the opportunity to buy an Apple 15" lcd
> display. It's the generation
> of screen in-between the blueberry model with the
> s-video inputs and the
> newest ADC model. It's the graphite DVI model.
>
> Anyone have any strong Yays or Nays on such a
> display? Anyone have a cheap
> Macintosh PCI video card with a DVI port?
>
> Heck, any wisdom on LCD displays in general?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matthew Groves
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:01:08 -0800
From: "Jean-Matthieu Bourgeot"
To:
Subject: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
Message-ID: <001601c0b672$8ddde370$9a9e7118@cr624356a>
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starting to look at Premiere 6 (I am familiar with adobe products, I =
have used Photoshop and illustrator for many years). My first impression =
(other than it has many features) is that the rendering takes a lot =
longer for the smallest things compared to Media Studio Pro.
How can I quickly preview with Premiere?
I am also thinking of buying some real-time hardware, would any of you =
experts have advices on what card/brand would be best?
My config:
- PIII 800
- 80 GB ATA66
- GeForce 2 MX
Thank you so much for any answers or advices
Jean-Matthieu
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I have been using Media Studio Pro 6.0 = for some=20 time now and I am just starting to look at Premiere 6 (I am familiar = with adobe=20 products, I have used Photoshop and illustrator for many years). My = first=20 impression (other than it has many features) is that the rendering takes = a lot=20 longer for the smallest things compared to Media Studio = Pro.
How can I quickly preview with=20 Premiere?
I am also thinking of buying some = real-time=20 hardware, would any of you experts have advices on what card/brand would = be=20 best?
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Jean-Matthieu
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:13:42 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
Message-ID: <001b01c0b674$53a41e20$6401a8c0@design1>
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The Alt-Scrub function will let you see a transition as you scrub on the =
NTSC monitor. That is an improvement where you're trying to make sure =
the effect looks right before rendering. As far as real-time goes most =
of the lower cost boards only allow you to get real-time out to the =
analog ports. Output back to DV tape still has to be rendered. I'm =
getting fast renders with Premiere 6 on my dual PIII-700 computer with =
the DVRaptor. A 1 second cross dissolve renders in under 2 seconds. The =
DVStorm in a dual PIII-1Ghz computer is probably the best real-time =
choice right now. Dissolves, wipes, color correction, and titling all =
happen in real-time to both the analog I/O and Firewire simultaneously.
Walt
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jean-Matthieu Bourgeot=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:01 PM
Subject: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
I have been using Media Studio Pro 6.0 for some time now and I am just =
starting to look at Premiere 6 (I am familiar with adobe products, I =
have used Photoshop and illustrator for many years). My first impression =
(other than it has many features) is that the rendering takes a lot =
longer for the smallest things compared to Media Studio Pro.
How can I quickly preview with Premiere?
I am also thinking of buying some real-time hardware, would any of you =
experts have advices on what card/brand would be best?
My config:
- PIII 800
- 80 GB ATA66
- GeForce 2 MX
Thank you so much for any answers or advices
Jean-Matthieu
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The Alt-Scrub function will let you see = a=20 transition as you scrub on the NTSC monitor. That is an improvement = where you're=20 trying to make sure the effect looks right before rendering. As far as = real-time=20 goes most of the lower cost boards only allow you to get real-time out = to the=20 analog ports. Output back to DV tape still has to be rendered. I'm = getting fast=20 renders with Premiere 6 on my dual PIII-700 computer with the DVRaptor. = A 1=20 second cross dissolve renders in under 2 seconds. The DVStorm in a dual=20 PIII-1Ghz computer is probably the best real-time choice right now. = Dissolves,=20 wipes, color correction, and titling all happen in real-time to both the = analog=20 I/O and Firewire simultaneously.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jean-Matthieu=20 Bourgeot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 = 11:01=20 PM
Subject: Ulead Media Studio Pro = vs Adobe=20 Premiere?
I have been using Media Studio Pro = 6.0 for some=20 time now and I am just starting to look at Premiere 6 (I am familiar = with=20 adobe products, I have used Photoshop and illustrator for many years). = My=20 first impression (other than it has many features) is that the = rendering takes=20 a lot longer for the smallest things compared to Media Studio=20 Pro.
How can I quickly preview with=20 Premiere?
I am also thinking of buying some = real-time=20 hardware, would any of you experts have advices on what card/brand = would be=20 best?
My config:
- PIII 800
- 80 GB ATA66
- GeForce 2 MX
Thank you so much for any answers or=20 advices
Jean-Matthieu
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:14:40 -0300
From: "Diego Mitchell"
To:
Subject: HARDWARE UPGRADE
Message-ID: <010a01c0b674$719314e0$3359e818@fibertel.com.ar>
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I HAVE THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE:
* PIII 600 MHZ 133
* 133 MHZ RAM 512 MBTS
* MOTHERBOARD SOYO 6BA+
* PCI SIIG FIREWIRE CARD
* PCI VIDEO HIGHWAY TV CARD
* SAVAGE 4
* SOUNDBLASTER LIVE PLATINUM
* AZEN ETHERNET USB CARD FPR CABLE MODEM
* DXR3 ENCODER FOR DVD
* 5X DVD ROM
* DVD RAM CREATIVE
* PCI SCASI CARD
* 40 GBTS ATA 66
* 20 GBTS ATA 66
* SONY TR310 VIDEOCAMARA WITH ILINK.
* ULEAD MEDIA STUDIO PRO=20
* CREATIVE BLASTERKEY MP3.
(WHAT SHOULD I BUY TO MAKE AN DV EDITING UPGRADE SPENDING NOT MUCH MONEY =
(SNIFF BUAHH SNIFF BUAHH?
THANKS,
DIEGO MITCHELL
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I HAVE THE FOLLOWING = HARDWARE:
* PIII 600 MHZ 133
* 133 MHZ RAM 512 MBTS
* MOTHERBOARD SOYO 6BA+
* PCI SIIG FIREWIRE CARD
* PCI VIDEO HIGHWAY TV = CARD
* SAVAGE 4
* SOUNDBLASTER LIVE = PLATINUM
* AZEN ETHERNET USB CARD FPR = CABLE=20 MODEM
* DXR3 ENCODER FOR DVD
* 5X DVD ROM
* DVD RAM CREATIVE
* PCI SCASI CARD
* 40 GBTS ATA 66
* 20 GBTS ATA 66
* SONY TR310 VIDEOCAMARA WITH = ILINK.
* ULEAD MEDIA STUDIO = PRO
* CREATIVE BLASTERKEY MP3.
(WHAT SHOULD I BUY TO MAKE AN DV = EDITING UPGRADE=20 SPENDING NOT MUCH MONEY (SNIFF BUAHH SNIFF BUAHH?
THANKS,
DIEGO MITCHELL
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:41:19 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: HARDWARE UPGRADE
Message-ID: <003101c0b678$306db200$6401a8c0@design1>
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Premiere 6
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Diego Mitchell=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: HARDWARE UPGRADE
I HAVE THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE:
* PIII 600 MHZ 133
* 133 MHZ RAM 512 MBTS
* MOTHERBOARD SOYO 6BA+
* PCI SIIG FIREWIRE CARD
* PCI VIDEO HIGHWAY TV CARD
* SAVAGE 4
* SOUNDBLASTER LIVE PLATINUM
* AZEN ETHERNET USB CARD FPR CABLE MODEM
* DXR3 ENCODER FOR DVD
* 5X DVD ROM
* DVD RAM CREATIVE
* PCI SCASI CARD
* 40 GBTS ATA 66
* 20 GBTS ATA 66
* SONY TR310 VIDEOCAMARA WITH ILINK.
* ULEAD MEDIA STUDIO PRO=20
* CREATIVE BLASTERKEY MP3.
(WHAT SHOULD I BUY TO MAKE AN DV EDITING UPGRADE SPENDING NOT MUCH =
MONEY (SNIFF BUAHH SNIFF BUAHH?
THANKS,
DIEGO MITCHELL
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 = 11:14=20 PM
Subject: HARDWARE UPGRADE
I HAVE THE FOLLOWING = HARDWARE:
* PIII 600 MHZ 133
* 133 MHZ RAM 512 MBTS
* MOTHERBOARD SOYO 6BA+
* PCI SIIG FIREWIRE CARD
* PCI VIDEO HIGHWAY TV = CARD
* SAVAGE 4
* SOUNDBLASTER LIVE = PLATINUM
* AZEN ETHERNET USB CARD = FPR CABLE=20 MODEM
* DXR3 ENCODER FOR DVD
* 5X DVD ROM
* DVD RAM CREATIVE
* PCI SCASI CARD
* 40 GBTS ATA 66
* 20 GBTS ATA 66
* SONY TR310 VIDEOCAMARA WITH = ILINK.
* ULEAD MEDIA STUDIO = PRO
* CREATIVE BLASTERKEY MP3.
(WHAT SHOULD I BUY TO MAKE AN DV = EDITING UPGRADE=20 SPENDING NOT MUCH MONEY (SNIFF BUAHH SNIFF BUAHH?
THANKS,
DIEGO MITCHELL
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:51:17 +1200
From: "Lucas Young"
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A keyboard with a working Caps Lock key :)
Lucas
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From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 4:41 p.m.
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HARDWARE UPGRADE
Premiere 6
----- Original Message -----
From: Diego Mitchell
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: HARDWARE UPGRADE
I HAVE THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE:
* PIII 600 MHZ 133
* 133 MHZ RAM 512 MBTS
* MOTHERBOARD SOYO 6BA+
* PCI SIIG FIREWIRE CARD
* PCI VIDEO HIGHWAY TV CARD
* SAVAGE 4
* SOUNDBLASTER LIVE PLATINUM
* AZEN ETHERNET USB CARD FPR CABLE MODEM
* DXR3 ENCODER FOR DVD
* 5X DVD ROM
* DVD RAM CREATIVE
* PCI SCASI CARD
* 40 GBTS ATA 66
* 20 GBTS ATA 66
* SONY TR310 VIDEOCAMARA WITH ILINK.
* ULEAD MEDIA STUDIO PRO
* CREATIVE BLASTERKEY MP3.
(WHAT SHOULD I BUY TO MAKE AN DV EDITING UPGRADE SPENDING NOT MUCH MONEY
(SNIFF BUAHH SNIFF BUAHH?
THANKS,
DIEGO MITCHELL
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* 40 GBTS ATA 66
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* ULEAD MEDIA STUDIO=20 PRO
=20
* CREATIVE BLASTERKEY MP3.
=20
=20
=20
=20
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:02:36 -0800
From: "Sean Porter"
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hey all... old to the list, but it stopped sending me e-mail over a year
ago and i finally got it working again.
walt- have you or anyone else had any experience with DVstorm? From what
ive seen and heard it is the end-all be-all of prosumer realtime editing...
but thats what i heard about the rt2000 (which after I got to play with it,
i wasnt that impressed)
thanks
sean
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:14 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
The Alt-Scrub function will let you see a transition as you scrub on the
NTSC monitor. That is an improvement where you're trying to make sure the
effect looks right before rendering. As far as real-time goes most of the
lower cost boards only allow you to get real-time out to the analog ports.
Output back to DV tape still has to be rendered. I'm getting fast renders
with Premiere 6 on my dual PIII-700 computer with the DVRaptor. A 1 second
cross dissolve renders in under 2 seconds. The DVStorm in a dual PIII-1Ghz
computer is probably the best real-time choice right now. Dissolves, wipes,
color correction, and titling all happen in real-time to both the analog I/O
and Firewire simultaneously.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Jean-Matthieu Bourgeot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:01 PM
Subject: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
I have been using Media Studio Pro 6.0 for some time now and I am just
starting to look at Premiere 6 (I am familiar with adobe products, I have
used Photoshop and illustrator for many years). My first impression (other
than it has many features) is that the rendering takes a lot longer for the
smallest things compared to Media Studio Pro.
How can I quickly preview with Premiere?
I am also thinking of buying some real-time hardware, would any of you
experts have advices on what card/brand would be best?
My config:
- PIII 800
- 80 GB ATA66
- GeForce 2 MX
Thank you so much for any answers or advices
Jean-Matthieu
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hey=20 all... old to the list, but it stopped sending me e-mail over a = year ago=20 and i finally got it working again.
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thanks
sean
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt=20 [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 = 8:14=20 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ulead Media = Studio=20 Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
The Alt-Scrub function will let you = see a=20 transition as you scrub on the NTSC monitor. That is an improvement = where=20 you're trying to make sure the effect looks right before rendering. As = far as=20 real-time goes most of the lower cost boards only allow you to get = real-time=20 out to the analog ports. Output back to DV tape still has to be = rendered. I'm=20 getting fast renders with Premiere 6 on my dual PIII-700 computer with = the=20 DVRaptor. A 1 second cross dissolve renders in under 2 seconds. The = DVStorm in=20 a dual PIII-1Ghz computer is probably the best real-time choice right = now.=20 Dissolves, wipes, color correction, and titling all happen in = real-time to=20 both the analog I/O and Firewire simultaneously.
Walt
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To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 = 11:01=20 PM
Subject: Ulead Media Studio = Pro vs=20 Adobe Premiere?
I have been using Media Studio Pro = 6.0 for some=20 time now and I am just starting to look at Premiere 6 (I am familiar = with=20 adobe products, I have used Photoshop and illustrator for many = years). My=20 first impression (other than it has many features) is that the = rendering=20 takes a lot longer for the smallest things compared to Media Studio=20 Pro.
How can I quickly preview with=20 Premiere?
I am also thinking of buying some = real-time=20 hardware, would any of you experts have advices on what card/brand = would be=20 best?
My config:
- PIII 800
- 80 GB ATA66
- GeForce 2 MX
Thank you so much for any answers = or=20 advices
Jean-Matthieu
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:00:55 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ulead Media Studio Pro vs Adobe Premiere?
Message-ID: <3AC01E87.899A8CC5@adent.com>
The Alt-Scrub works well to my laptop's LCD with no NTSC monitor connected.
mhood Walt wrote:
> The Alt-Scrub function will let you see a transition as you scrub on
> the NTSC monitor.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:05:46 -0600
From: "Lawrence Davin"
To: Subject: Installing other codecs in Premiere 6
Message-ID: <000901c0b67b$9a8c6a20$8385dd94@hal>
If I "export timeline" to make a movie as a Microsoft .avi file I only have a limited number of codecs available to use. They are: Cinepak; Indeo video 5.04, R3.2, 4.3; Microsoft RLE and Microsoft Video 1. Where do I find more codecs and how can I install them?
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:40:30 EST
From: MQSowder@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Pinnacle DVD Express Claims
Message-ID: <55.131f0885.27f181ce@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/26/01 7:46:57 PM Central Standard Time, RHeeren@worldnet.att.net writes:
<< Anybody know what Pinnacle is doing differently in order to claim that their DVD Express product to be released later this year will allow burning video to standard CD-R and CD-RW discs and still be playable in most home or consumer DVD players???>>
Probably buying Sonic Solutions & calling it Pinnacle. =) i could be wrong.
Matt Sowder Editor
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:51:55 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HARDWARE UPGRADE
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327004721.01b19468@mail.speakeasy.org>
As one who must use Premiere 6 on a couple systems, I can assure you that it's hardly an 'upgrade' from MSP6. You may prefer it - God knows why - but there's still plenty of things MSP can do that P6 can't (decent titles, easier motion, works with low-end systems, more intuitive layout, etc.).
>Premiere 6
>I HAVE THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE:
>
>(WHAT SHOULD I BUY TO MAKE AN DV EDITING UPGRADE SPENDING NOT MUCH MONEY
>(SNIFF BUAHH SNIFF BUAHH
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:04:30 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DVStorm
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010327005241.01b2caa8@mail.speakeasy.org>
>walt- have you or anyone else had any experience with DVstorm? From what
>ive seen and heard it is the end-all be-all of prosumer realtime
>editing... but thats what i heard about the rt2000 (which after I got to
>play with it, i wasnt that impressed)
The RT2000 is the high-end prosumer editor. The DVStorm is the low-end professional editor. I mainly make the distinction because the DVStorm doesn't just do real time *editing* but real time *output* as well. Take away the zillion fancy 3D *analog only* (can be rendered in DV) effects and the RT2000 doesn't have much left of interest, and we all know you can't use those silly transitions in real projects. Probably just be better to go OHCI for DV work. Both do analog quite well. Only thing holding the Storm back from a more exalted status is a lack of real time integration with more editors - you're stuck with Premiere 6 or the simpler (but amazingly, often more functional) StormEdit.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:57:25 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVStorm
Message-ID: <3AC039D5.93B33DF2@maui.net>
Joe Parker wrote:
> Only thing holding the Storm back from a more exalted status is a lack of
> real time integration with more editors - you're stuck with Premiere 6 or
> the simpler (but amazingly, often more functional) StormEdit.
> With real-time color correction you are able to edit very fast and have
> a very consistent look even when intercutting different cameras.
I like Storm Edit. You have great control over titles with outline and drop shadow that make your titles very readable. If you want to edit, get it. If you want "splash & trash" transitions, look elsewhere. I got my Premiere 6 Upgrade today. I'll give it a go, but will probably still do most of my work in Storm Edit.
Aloha, Jon Burkhart
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:07:12 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: AUDIO PROBLEMS: digital distortions when capturing via firewire from tape Message-ID: <200103270707.QAA29026@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Two things come to mind. Turn off your speaker when you capture and turn off the platinum sounds in the appearance control panel if those sounds are on. For some reason either of these two things