DV-L Fri, 30 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 810
In this issue:
RE: External USB harddrives for dv storage/
Re : comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
2nd video board for G4
Re: hmmmm..?
IEEE 1394b nearing completion.
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Re: Video Editing with MSP6 on a PC100
Re: 2nd video board for G4
Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
Charles and ProMax are the Class Act
Re: Re : comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
Re: 2nd video board for G4
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Re: Scans from pics vs. scans from negs (for video, of course)
Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
RE: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
LANC vs Control S
Re: 2nd video board for G4
SV: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: SV: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Re: FCP 2.0 Freezes in Broswer
Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
RE: (Free computers for all) was HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
DV Storm gets 9.5!!
Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Deputy Stephen
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Re: SV: RT Mac is shipping!!!
Re: Deputy Stephen
RE: Who makes DV tape?
Re: slow motion video playback using Windows Media Player?
Re: Deputy Stephen
Re: Deputy Stephen
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Installing other codecs in Premiere 6
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Premiere 6 Suggestion Box
Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Question re: Premier 6 Mac version
RE: Question re: Premier 6 Mac version
apologies
Re: apologies
Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
RE: 2nd video board for G4
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Re: 2nd video board for G4
[DV-List] Re: 2nd video board for G4
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
The Pioneer DVR-2000 : Second Post
HD TV - OT
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
??DV tapes In Los Angeles??
Re: ??DV tapes In Los Angeles??
Re: Mini Dv Rewinder
JVC DV Tapes at Costco $6.00 each
Re: ??DV tapes In Los Angeles??
Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:46:44 +0800
From: "Brian Low"
To:
Subject: RE: External USB harddrives for dv storage/
Message-ID: <200103291746.AA1456341764@18all.com>
Jim,
Have you used one? Very curious...
Brian Low
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "James M. De Arras"
Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:12:17 -0500
>The Maxtor firewire drive is a good value for the buck. I have also
>used ADS's enclosure, and a Western Digital firewire drive, and all
>worked just fine! For offline storage, perhaps an ADS enclosure with a
>set of removable drive carriers, for the cheapest storage on hard disk.
>
>Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Tobe Carey [mailto:willowmx@ulster.net]
>Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:09 AM
>To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
>Subject: External USB harddrives for dv storage/
>
>Any suggestions for an external USB hard-drive for storing DV files and
>Canopous projects so they can be re-imported at a later date for changes
>as required?
>Any suggestions as to the best enclosures, hard drives or other things I
>need to know would be appreciated.
>
>If folks desire, they can email me directly at willowmx@ulster.net.
>Thanks in advance
>Tobe Carey
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:32:24 +0200
From: "herve.nisic"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re : comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
Message-ID: <20010329095120.ED76F6B786@postfix2-2.free.fr>
Hello David
For some reason I do not get the answer on your message, only the copy of m=
y
question.
Could you post again if you indicated a site where I can
find comparison tests for wide angle adapters for a Sony PD 150 camera
including the Sony, Canon and Century adapters ?
Thank you in advance
Herv=E9
--
Herv=E9 Nisic
Documentary film maker
Paris
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D///////////////////////////////////=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
:-) site des films Personne, La Hauteur du Silence, Revoir Nijinsky Danser,
Dee Dee Bridgewater la volont=E9 de faire, Combats de femmes, =E0 l'adresse :
http://herve.nisic.free.fr
----------
>De=A0: "david e. kahn"
>=C0 : DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Objet=A0: Re: comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
>Date=A0: Mar 27 mars 2001 19:11
>
>
>
>> From: "herve.nisic"
>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:09:57 +0100
>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Subject: comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
>>
>> Hello to all
>> I know this has been discussed many times. But is there a site where I c=
an
>> find comparison tests for wide angle adapters for a Sony PD 150 camera
>> including the Sony, Canon and Century adapters ?
>>
>> Thank you in advance
>>
>> Herv=E9 Nisic
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:45:40 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID:
I've asked this on some Mac Lists with no replies!
I want to add a second video card to my G4 to expand the worktop. Since it
will only be used for artwork, I don't need any fancy 3D acceleration.
An existing cheap (now obsolete) Formac PCI card works fine on my 9600 but
stops the G4 from booting. I've temporarily stolen the 9600 OEM card but the
driver for that won't update properly in the G4.
I've just looked through the Ads in a couple of UK Mac magazines, and there
isn't a single PCI video card to be seen.
How can I get a second monitor on my G4?
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:57:07 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: hmmmm..?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329125213.0220cb30@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 10:49 AM 3/21/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I was told that in DV the image(data) is compressed before it gets to the
>tape. Is that true?
Absolutely. It is compressed in the camera, using the DV codec. During
editing - if your editor is at least half smart - the material will not be
recompressed. Unless you apply filters or effects to it. Then the parts
with the filter or effects will be recompressed.
BS
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:46:50 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: IEEE 1394b nearing completion.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329132333.02196e10@mail.dvcentral.org>
It looks like the long awaited IEEE 1394b, a.k.a. the "new & improved 1394"
is nearing completion and is expected to be voted on soon and bestowed
formal IEEE standard status. If you don't mind reading through 386 pages of
dense prose, then the p1394b Draft 1.11 is awaiting you at:
http://www.zayante.com/p1394b/drafts/p1394b1-11.pdf
Executive summary:
"Work on this standard was begun in the winter of 1997 at a meeting of the
1394TA in Eindhoven. By that time, it had become evident that (IEEE 1394)
was going to be widely deployed and that many devices, especially new,
digital consumer products, were going to have 1394 as the primary external
interface. .... While attempting to broaden the scope of 1394, two barriers
were dis-
covered that made wider deployment of 1394 difficult: the interface was
constrained to operate over a fairly short distance and it could not handle
higher data rates."
It was concluded that these problems were best solved by a change in
coding, and the new coding scheme was applied to a large variety of
interconnect media including plastic optical fiber, glass optical fiber and
UTP5.
Happy reading!
BS
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:01:45 +0200
From: Joachim Smith
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <3AC32414.BA63CAF7@swipnet.se>
Hi list,
Please let me get this information straight concerning the Matrox RTMac card:
It will output its realtime effects through Firewire. (Whoever would pay
a thousand bucks just for previews?)
The realtime effects will include dissolves and all parameters in the
Motion tab, except Motion blur.
It has analog inputs AND outputs.
It will NOT do realtime color och level correction.
Or is there anything here that I've misunderstood?
Cheers
Joachim Smith
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:35:38 +0200
From: Boris Dewitte
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Video Editing with MSP6 on a PC100
Message-ID: <200103291233.OAA24133@cnes.fr>
Hello,
I have solved my pb by just disactivating
the audio driver! + many other things apparently not so critical and that
I could not remember....
Thanks a lot you for your help.
boris.
Joe Parker wrote:
> First try rendering the project before exporting to tape. A lot of OHCI
> users must do this for consistent output.
>
> >I'm trying to export to DV tape with Ulead Media StudioPro 6.0.
> >I have a notebook Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 (PIII 750Mhz, 320 RAM, Win98SE),
> >an Orange Micro FireWire card and a Sony PC100 Camrecorder.
> >Whereas video capturing and all that sort of thing is working fine,
> >I have troubles with exporting to the tape: pixelizations of some frame,
> >screen freezing or no audio are part of the things I could get so far..
> >In the Ulead Faqs, they say this may have to do with the camcorder mechanical
> >limitations and suggest to adjust the Delay record time in the Device
> >Control option (in Video Editing)..
> >They do not give any indication on what the value of the delay record time
> >should
> >be and my few attemps were not successful..
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:40:36 EST
From: ScubaViz@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID: <8f.8e48218.27f48744@aol.com>
Perry,
I pulled a PCI card (don't recall the brand) from my old G3 and it has worked
fine with no boot problems or anything. If I recall correctly, I bought the
card from MacWarehouse a couple of years ago. You might check their site:
www.warehouse.com.
Don Stark
ScubaVision Productions
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:39:35 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
Message-ID: <3AC33B17.7C928860@pacbell.net>
jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
>
> Digital beta, for the best results, will have to be sampled into the computer
> via SDI (serial digital interface). Neither Avid Xpress DV nor any other
> firewire based system can do this without a SDI to DV transcoder.
>
> If you can afford a digital betacam deck, I would assume
> that you could go with either an Avid Xpress Deluxe w/ SDI input,
> or FPC with the Pinnacle Cinewave SDI 601 breakout box.
> The Avid is a true professional's tool that has proven itself
> over many years and is the industry standard.
> If you are doing this for your own company/self, then
> FPC will also get the job done. I am
> unfamiliar with how well FPC integrates with the Cinewave.
> (Still a little new IMO to take a big risk on.)
> Avid makes NT and MAC flavors o f _Xpress_ (not XpressDV),
> and of course, there are
> MANY other NLEs that have SDI input.
FCP will do the job as well as Avid, FCP 2.0 has many new features and most people who have used both think FCP is superior to Avid for the price. There are also other SDI cards out there
for Mac, the best and lest expensive so far is the D1 Desktop by Digital Voodoo. This card is one card as opposed to Avids expansion Chasis and many cards, also has AES/EBU audio on board
and only SDI i/o. there are many analog to SDI converters for any analog formate you need. Also 2.snter has SDI in but I don't like their drivers, just a little flacky.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
>
>
> Good luck and ready thy wallet!
>
> jmerser
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:50:32 -0500
From: Tim Merritt
To: DV
Subject: Charles and ProMax are the Class Act
Message-ID: <3AC33DA7.D283A13B@gsu.edu>
Posts like this illustrate why ProMax is such a great company.
Current ATA drives deliver from 29 to 39 MB/sec. No need of SCSI.
Trust
me. I will be glad to sell you SCSI but all I would do would be
taking
your money.
FWIW
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
We've ordered equipment from them for two years, and it all just works.
Thanks, Charles.
--
Tim Merritt
Video/Multimedia Manager
Instructional Technology Center
College of Education
Georgia State University
tmerritt@gsu.edu
http://itc.gsu.edu
404-651-0370 voice
404-651-2460 fax
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:09:53 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Re : comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
Message-ID:
Hello: I use a scheider lens for wide angle. I was given two and although
they are expensive the distortion on this lens as with compared others on
the extreme wide angle. Many times when I am set up for two speakers with
two mics one in front of each all of a sudden someone comes up and I do not
have a mic or the right lens. This is where my lens comes into play. For =
a
mic I always have a PZM mic with me and that is already their and then I
plug that into my camera if I have the time. I also usually have my second
camera all set up with this lens also and mic if at all possible near by.
This second camera naturally can give me extra work when editing yet that
is what I have found works for me. Also in close quarters this lens is
necessary. I believe that the lens and sound are first and then the camera=
.
For all together in harmony is what makes life and promises easier to keep.
Also when I tested the canon XL-1 camera as compared to others in the price
range, I first looked at the interchangeable lens along witht he sound.
Many people tried to convince me to purchase Sony yet the lens although
excellent was not removable in this price range. Other features were their
and I had to deceide what was important to me and what I was going to use
the camera for in what type of weather conditions. Before I come to Paris
on my next trip I will contact you so you and I can exchange experiences.
Tughollow=20
> From: "herve.nisic"
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:32:24 +0200
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re : comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
>=20
> Hello David
> For some reason I do not get the answer on your message, only the copy of=
my
> question.
> Could you post again if you indicated a site where I can
> find comparison tests for wide angle adapters for a Sony PD 150 camera
> including the Sony, Canon and Century adapters ?
>=20
> Thank you in advance
> Herv=E9
> --
> Herv=E9 Nisic
> Documentary film maker
> Paris
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D///////////////////////////////////=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> :-) site des films Personne, La Hauteur du Silence, Revoir Nijinsky Danse=
r,
> Dee Dee Bridgewater la volont=E9 de faire, Combats de femmes, =E0 l'adresse :
> http://herve.nisic.free.fr
>=20
>=20
> ----------
>> De=A0: "david e. kahn"
>> =C0 : DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Objet=A0: Re: comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
>> Date=A0: Mar 27 mars 2001 19:11
>>=20
>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> From: "herve.nisic"
>>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:09:57 +0100
>>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>> Subject: comparison test images for Wide angle adaptesr for PD150 ?
>>>=20
>>> Hello to all
>>> I know this has been discussed many times. But is there a site where I =
can
>>> find comparison tests for wide angle adapters for a Sony PD 150 camera
>>> including the Sony, Canon and Century adapters ?
>>>=20
>>> Thank you in advance
>>>=20
>>> Herv=E9 Nisic
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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>=20
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>=20
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:14:35 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329101356.03b7e170@pop3.concentric.net>
At 11:45 AM 3/29/01 +0100, you wrote:
>How can I get a second monitor on my G4?
Check out the Matrox RT Mac. It gives you dual monitor, analog conversion
and real-time Final Cut Pro features.
Gary
The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
The Desk Top Video Handbook On Line http://www.videoguys.com
All DTV purchases come with our exclusive 30 day customer
assurance program and FREE Tech Support (516) 759-1615
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:50:20 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <00cc01c0b868$1f92d540$44a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Joachim Smith
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: donderdag 29 maart 2001 14:01
Onderwerp: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
>Hi list,
>
>Please let me get this information straight concerning the Matrox RTMac
card:
>
>It will output its realtime effects through Firewire. (Whoever would pay
>a thousand bucks just for previews?)
No, it will not, only analog real time output. You pay for the speed of
workflow. Rendering for output to DV can be done during coffee, bathroom,
dinner, sleep, shopping, ... you name it.
>
>The realtime effects will include dissolves and all parameters in the
>Motion tab, except Motion blur.
>
>It has analog inputs AND outputs.
Right.
>
>It will NOT do realtime color och level correction.
>
Right. I'm not sure whether it will give real time preview of color
correction, didn't get a straight answer to that question yet.
Ton Guiking
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:00:11 -0600
From: "Richard Webb"
To:
Subject: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <003401c0b869$56696b00$92590fd0@g5qjd01>
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Got a Dell 4100 Home desktop system 6 weeks ago... ordered a Firewire =
card w/ DV editing software installed at the factory.
Straight out of the box, couldn't get any capture at all. The software =
is MGI Videowave III, and it's a Firewave 1394 card. Multiple calls to =
tech support resulted in two house calls (one to replace card, a second =
to replace motherboard!) all to no avail. Still no capture! Finally got =
pissed off with Dell, sent back the card, got my $100 back. Went to Best =
Buy, bought Dazzle DV-Editor, installed it (by coincidence, same =
Firewave card) and still does not work. The computer just does not seem =
to recognize a device installed. There are no 1394 drivers on my =
Resource/Driver CD that came with the computer to re-install, but the =
driver seems to install itself when I "Add New Hardware" straight off =
the hard drive.
Some specifics:
Control Panel > System > Device Manager: Texas Instruments OHCI =
Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
> Properties: 'Device is working properly' and 'No conflicts.'
Control Panel > Sounds & Multimedia > Video Capture Devices ' There are =
no devices of this class installed'
Isn't this a conflict?
Using both MGI Videowave III and Dazzle DV-Editor, the software keeps =
saying 'No capture driver available in system' or 'Unable to open =
specified device. Please check device machine is ready' or 'Capture =
Device...None'
System is Pentium 3 / 1 Ghz / 256 Mb / 20 G / Window ME
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Got a Dell 4100 Home desktop system 6 = weeks ago...=20 ordered a Firewire card w/ DV editing software installed at the=20 factory.
Straight out of the box, couldn't get = any capture=20 at all. The software is MGI Videowave III, and it's a Firewave 1394 = card.=20 Multiple calls to tech support = resulted in two=20 house calls (one to replace card, a second to replace motherboard!) all = to no=20 avail. Still no capture! Finally got pissed off with Dell, sent back the = card,=20 got my $100 back. Went to Best Buy, bought Dazzle DV-Editor, installed = it (by=20 coincidence, same Firewave card) and still does not work. The computer = just does=20 not seem to recognize a device installed. There are no 1394 drivers on = my=20 Resource/Driver CD that came with the computer to re-install, but the = driver=20 seems to install itself when I "Add New Hardware" straight off the hard=20 drive.
Some specifics:
Control Panel > System >=20 Device Manager: Texas Instruments OHCI = Compliant IEEE=20 1394 Host Controller
> = Properties: 'Device is working properly' and 'No=20 conflicts.'
Control Panel > Sounds & = Multimedia=20 > Video Capture Devices ' There are no devices of this = class=20 installed'
Isn't this a conflict?
Using both MGI Videowave III and Dazzle = DV-Editor,=20 the software keeps saying 'No capture driver available in system' or = 'Unable to=20 open specified device. Please check device machine is ready' or 'Capture = Device...None'
System is Pentium 3 / 1 Ghz / 256 Mb / = 20 G /=20 Window ME
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:04:27 -0800
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Scans from pics vs. scans from negs (for video, of course)
Message-ID: <3AC308AB.23512.10ACA4B4@localhost>
On 28 Mar 2001, at 15:45, Joshua Martin wrote:
> "digifilm@atlanticdv.com" wrote:
> > One more think about below - question is 2700 dpi resolution better at 2X2
> > inches - or 1200 at 4X6 inches - one is from a print and the other from a
> > slide/negative - I think this issues are confusing and I personally like to
> > work with bigger images at less then 1200 dpi from a multi-media scanner
> > that handles whatever I throw at it then limiting myself to large
> > resolution small images
Depends on the image you're scanning. I generally stick to around 3-600 for
4x6s... Tiny stuff... you may have to go really high with.
> You really can't compare scans of prints to scans of negatives, given a
This would be the point. If you can scan the film do so. You can change
the brightness across the scan for real... with a flatbed and prints you're
limited to what gets reflected. {Sometimes not very much.} As far as
resolution goes... you can probably go to 2700-3000 with 35mm. {Before it
becomes pointless... you may have a reason to scan higher though... Kodak
advertises a "64 base" 6144x4096 pixel scan tho' I think this is probably
for large format film. I think 35mm is pretty much limited to 2048x3072
pixel "16 base." {as per a digital camera faq I read some time back}}
http://www.library.cornell.edu/preservation/kodak/kodak-htm.htm
> good negative scanner. Native resolution of print is around 200dpi, and you
You can probably get a little higher... like around... 300 with sharp, good
quality prints... get out the old large format Hassleblad black and white
8x10s and you may be able to go to 400. {'Course that does depend on the
paper.}
I scan at 600+ anyway {depending on what I'll be outputting to} seeing as
it seems that scaling the scan does more damage than scanning at high
resolutions. If you're scanning something the size of a postage stamp and
want to print something 8x10 {for whatever reason} I think you'll get better
results scanning high {like to 8x10x266 like it's probably going to get
printed {if you're using Photoshop, anyway}} rather than scaling.
If it's for the screen... I don't think you need to scan all that high at
all. I generally just look at the size I'll be wanting and try to avoid
scaling stuff. {Tho' sometimes if you've got a really noisy image...
scanning high and scaling can smooth it better than filters or
antialiasing.}
> can't make 1200dpi out of it. It's like going from DV to VHS to DV again.
> You lose color fidelity and real resolution.
> Some print considerations:
> RESOLUTION: A photo printed at your local lab is usually limited
> to 200dpi of resolution. Scanning that print at 1200ppi will give you a
> large digital image, but nowhere near the resolution and fidelity of scanning
> the negative.
> COLOR FIDELITY: The photo lab machine has different "channels" set up
> for the different kinds of negatives/slides, e.g., prints from Fuji Superia
> will be made at different settings than prints made from Kodak Royal Gold.
> The lab tech can shift a lot of values (contrast, etc.) and play with the
> image--this can be good, but also a liability--especially when the whole
> process is largely automated (1-hour developing, etc.). Then you are left at
> the mercy of the machine/operator.
> Though, given the right paper and a knowledgable lab tech, you can get
> stunning prints from your negs... nicely scan-able.
>
> The scan-from-neg advantage:
> When you scan from a neg (using a neg scanner), you can bypass the
> two intervening variables of 1) inaccurate printing by the photo lab and 2)
> shortcomings of your scanner to reproduce the colors.
> With neg scanning, you simply re-scan if you don't like the
> color/contrast/etc... given that the color/image detail is there in the
> first place. With photo prints, you're more limited in your re-scanning
> ability since you have less to work with.
> My HP PhotoSmart printer is supposedly capable of 300dpi (I have
> the original model). I need a 3300x2550 image to get the sharpest print
> possible with my printer at 8.5"x11" print size. A 2700ppi scanner would
> give me 3800x2540... almost perfect...
Hiro: "Maybe Babel was the best thing that ever happened to us."
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:26:35 -0600
From: Kirk Lohse
To:
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID:
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Richard,
I'm really sorry you're having trouble, but=8A
When will you people learn? Dell rhymes with HELL and that's where the DEVI=
L
lives!
Dell and Gateway have put millions of dollars into marketing their
products-perhaps they should spend more on quality assurance--or just
quality period! I have a student in one of my DV classes who owns a Dell.
She called their tech support to ask how she might upgrade it to do desktop
video. After a 1.5 hour wait on the phone the tech tells her "I'm sorry
ma'am but I can't help you with that, however I'll gladly connect you with
Sales who can sell you a computer that does video". Is that choice, or
what?!?
Want a DV rig that WORKS right out of the box? Get a Mac!
Enjoy!
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana College
From: "Richard Webb"
Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:00:11 -0600
To:
Subject: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Got a Dell 4100 Home desktop system 6 weeks ago... ordered a Firewire card
w/ DV editing software installed at the factory.
Straight out of the box, couldn't get any capture at all. The software is
MGI Videowave III, and it's a Firewave 1394 card. Multiple calls to tech
support resulted in two house calls (one to replace card, a second to
replace motherboard!) all to no avail. Still no capture! Finally got pissed
off with Dell, sent back the card, got my $100 back. Went to Best Buy,
bought Dazzle DV-Editor, installed it (by coincidence, same Firewave card)
and still does not work. The computer just does not seem to recognize a
device installed. There are no 1394 drivers on my Resource/Driver CD that
came with the computer to re-install, but the driver seems to install itsel=
f
when I "Add New Hardware" straight off the hard drive.
Some specifics:
Control Panel > System > Device Manager: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant
IEEE 1394 Host Controller
> Properties: 'Device is working properly' and 'No conflicts.'
=20
Control Panel > Sounds & Multimedia > Video Capture Devices ' There are no
devices of this class installed'
=20
Isn't this a conflict?
=20
Using both MGI Videowave III and Dazzle DV-Editor, the software keeps sayin=
g
'No capture driver available in system' or 'Unable to open specified device=
.
Please check device machine is ready' or 'Capture Device...None'
=20
System is Pentium 3 / 1 Ghz / 256 Mb / 20 G / Window ME
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Richard,
I'm really sorry you're having trouble, but=8A
When will you people learn? Dell rhymes with HELL and that's where the DEVI= L lives!
Dell and Gateway have put millions of dollars into marketing their products= -perhaps they should spend more on quality assurance--or just quality period= ! I have a student in one of my DV classes who owns a Dell. She called their= tech support to ask how she might upgrade it to do desktop video. After a 1= .5 hour wait on the phone the tech tells her "I'm sorry ma'am but I can= 't help you with that, however I'll gladly connect you with Sales who can se= ll you a computer that does video". Is that choice, or what?!?
Want a DV rig that WORKS right out of the box? Get a Mac!
Enjoy!
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana College
From: "Richard Webb"
Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:00:11 -0600
To:
Subject: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Got a Dell 4100 Home desktop = system 6 weeks ago... ordered a Firewire card w/ DV editing software install= ed at the factory.
Straight out of the box, couldn't get any capture at all. The software is M= GI Videowave III, and it's a Firewave 1394 card. Multiple calls to tech supp= ort resulted in two house calls (one to replace card, a second to replace mo= therboard!) all to no avail. Still no capture! Finally got pissed off with D= ell, sent back the card, got my $100 back. Went to Best Buy, bought Dazzle D= V-Editor, installed it (by coincidence, same Firewave card) and still does n= ot work. The computer just does not seem to recognize a device installed. Th= ere are no 1394 drivers on my Resource/Driver CD that came with the computer= to re-install, but the driver seems to install itself when I "Add New = Hardware" straight off the hard drive.
Some specifics:
Control Panel > System > Device Manager: Texas Instruments OHC= I Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
> Properties: 'Device= is working properly' and 'No conflicts.'
Control Panel > Sounds & Multim= edia > Video Capture Devices ' There are no devices of this cla= ss installed'
Isn't this a conflict?
Using both MGI Videowave III and Dazzle D= V-Editor, the software keeps saying 'No capture driver available in system' = or 'Unable to open specified device. Please check device machine is ready' o= r 'Capture Device...None'
System is Pentium 3 / 1 Ghz / 256 Mb / 20= G / Window ME
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:44:31 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <001301c0b86f$882bb3e0$4423a8c0@dell420>
>Want a DV rig that WORKS right out of the box? Get a Mac!
Kirk:
Please, no platform wars. Unless you plan on buying Richard a DV Mac and
shipping it to him, offer some helpful advice or don't clutter the list. Get
a Life!
>Some specifics:
>Control Panel > System > Device Manager: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant
IEEE 1394 Host Controller
>Properties: 'Device is working properly' and 'No conflicts.'
>Control Panel > Sounds & Multimedia > Video Capture Devices ' There are no
devices of this class installed'
Richard:
I have not used those firewire cards, but in order to capture video in most
programs, a firewire controller is all that is usually required. Some
capture card show up under "Video Capture Devices" but some do not if they
are just a plain 1394 device.
Check this page to insure your install went smoothly:
http://www.dazzle.com/support/dve.html
It looks like you should have had a install disk with your system.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's better to light a candle then to curse the darkness."
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:54:44 -0800
From: "sheila house"
To:
Subject: Is this true about Premiere 6??
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Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it =
true what they say about the export to DV problem??
"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export =
properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. =
It stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report =
that they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is =
useless, and now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the =
pleasure of uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit =
and twiddle our thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a =
functioning version. You think it will be called 6.1c???
The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows =
version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays =
solitaire... Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that =
still has a problem exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need =
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:56:52 -0800
From: Scott Farnsworth
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
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We have premiere 6 and it exports perfectly to DV. I have a sony vx1000
and the Firewire
card is just a generic little number.
-Scott
At 08:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
>Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true
>what they say about the export to DV problem??
>
>"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
>properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It
>stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that
>they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and
>now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure of
>uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit and twiddle our
>thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a functioning version.
>You think it will be called 6.1c???
>The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows
>version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays solitaire...
>Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem
>exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some point. Ya think???"
>
>
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We have premiere 6 and it exports perfectly to DV. I have a sony vx1000 and the Firewire
card is just a generic little number.
-Scott
At 08:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true what they say about the export to DV problem??
"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure of uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit and twiddle our thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a functioning version. You think it will be called 6.1c???
The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays solitaire... Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some point. Ya think???"
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:56:01 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <3AC36921.7073E7D0@adent.com>
One of the first things I tried with my new ThinkPad and PC100 was an
export back to the camera. Premiere 6.0 worked perfectly for me first
time, second time, etc....
Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe this poster has a unique set of
problems, or... ;-)
mhood
sheila house wrote:
> Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it
> true what they say about the export to DV problem??
>
> "Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT
> export properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any
> hardware configuration. It stutters and skips. No one has
> come out of the woodwork to report that they have overcome
> this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and now
> that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure
> of uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all
> sit and twiddle our thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient
> to release a functioning version. You think it will be
> called 6.1c???
> The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the
> Windows version about as thoroughly as he checks out
> Windows. (plays solitaire... [Image] Premiere 6.0 is the
> only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem
> exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some
> point. Ya think???"
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:58:11 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329115037.030db810@mail.speakeasy.org>
It's true to an extent.
First, not all users experience the problem. Second, one of the problems
can be 'solved' by installing a massive amount of ram - like over 380M.
Less than that and P6 starts banging into the swap file causing useless
playback.
To Adobe's credit, after seeing me post about the problem a few times THEY
called ME to attempt to help solve the problem. Unfortunately by then I had
disassembled that machine and I haven't really had a chance to test the
problem in the new one (with 512M ram).
At 11:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
>Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true
>what they say about the export to DV problem??
>
>"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
>properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It
>stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that
>they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and
>now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure of
>uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit and twiddle our
>thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a functioning version.
>You think it will be called 6.1c???
>The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows
>version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays solitaire...
>Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem
>exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some point. Ya think???"
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:11:04 -0800
From: "sheila house"
To:
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID:
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen van Vuuren
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
> I recall having the same problem with my ADS Pyro card, however, once my
"Senior Systems Analysis boyfriend" got the thing working for me I've loved
it. As I can best remember he UN-installed the 1394 by going into the
control panel, clicked on system, click on 1394 and the clicked on
un-install. He then reinstalled the drivers that came with the editing
software and the drivers from the Operating System (Windows ) and explained
to me the capture drivers will not show up unless I have the dv camera
hooked up via firewire and switched to 'playback' mode. Then it did show up
under Video Capture Devices.
You may have to choose a capture device in your 'capturing software'
interface. For example, when I open my capturing software I have to go to
set up and then to device control and select from the list. Hope this helps,
I feel your pain. Oh, you may want to check the home page for your software
to see if they have posted any updates for drivers or FAQ's.
-sh-
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:32 -0600
From: "Richard Webb"
To:
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <004f01c0b874$24afec00$38590fd0@g5qjd01>
Sheila,
Thanks for the tips...although I am still in the dark as far as what to do
with
Windows CD... what do I actually do with it? Instructions are vague... they
said I
would be prompted to insert Windows CD and follow the wizard instructions,
but no
such prompt occurred and it just seemed to automatically install the driver
off the hard
drive. Even the troubleshooting homepage for Dazzle DV has just one line of
text saying
'You will need to have your Windows CD ready to complete installation.'
Great help, huh?
Oh, that 'list' you talked about... what does it list exactly, specific
camera models and brands
or generic items like still camera or DV camera? I can't find any list like
that in either software package.
Thanks for the help.
Richard
From: "sheila house"
As I can best remember he UN-installed the 1394 by going into the
> control panel, clicked on system, click on 1394 and the clicked on
> un-install. He then reinstalled the drivers that came with the editing
> software and the drivers from the Operating System (Windows ) and
explained
> to me the capture drivers will not show up unless I have the dv camera
> hooked up via firewire and switched to 'playback' mode. Then it did show
up
> under Video Capture Devices.
> You may have to choose a capture device in your 'capturing software'
> interface. For example, when I open my capturing software I have to go to
> set up and then to device control and select from the list. Hope this
helps,
> I feel your pain. Oh, you may want to check the home page for your
software
> to see if they have posted any updates for drivers or FAQ's.
> -sh-
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:41:53 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
I have the problem and I am running 384 MB RAM...
The problem shows as a rapid stutter for about a second at any location
while exporting the timeline to DV tape via the firewire.
Gee, I'm glad you posted this thread here as I was wondering where the
problem was coming from.
I wonder if more RAM would fix this???
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:58 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
It's true to an extent.
First, not all users experience the problem. Second, one of the problems
can be 'solved' by installing a massive amount of ram - like over 380M.
Less than that and P6 starts banging into the swap file causing useless
playback.
To Adobe's credit, after seeing me post about the problem a few times THEY
called ME to attempt to help solve the problem. Unfortunately by then I had
disassembled that machine and I haven't really had a chance to test the
problem in the new one (with 512M ram).
At 11:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
>Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true
>what they say about the export to DV problem??
>
>"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
>properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It
>stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that
>they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and
>now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure of
>uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit and twiddle our
>thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a functioning version.
>You think it will be called 6.1c???
>The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows
>version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays solitaire...
>Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem
>exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some point. Ya
think???"
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:52:43 -0800
From: Scott Farnsworth
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010329095224.033f0358@pop1.chek.com>
I have dual 933 pIII's and 512 mb of ram. If that helps.
At 09:41 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
>I have the problem and I am running 384 MB RAM...
>The problem shows as a rapid stutter for about a second at any location
>while exporting the timeline to DV tape via the firewire.
>Gee, I'm glad you posted this thread here as I was wondering where the
>problem was coming from.
>
>I wonder if more RAM would fix this???
>
>Stephan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:58 PM
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
>
>
>It's true to an extent.
>
>First, not all users experience the problem. Second, one of the problems
>can be 'solved' by installing a massive amount of ram - like over 380M.
>Less than that and P6 starts banging into the swap file causing useless
>playback.
>
>To Adobe's credit, after seeing me post about the problem a few times THEY
>called ME to attempt to help solve the problem. Unfortunately by then I had
>disassembled that machine and I haven't really had a chance to test the
>problem in the new one (with 512M ram).
>
>
>
>At 11:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
> >Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true
> >what they say about the export to DV problem??
> >
> >"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
> >properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It
> >stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that
> >they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and
> >now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure of
> >uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit and twiddle our
> >thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a functioning version.
> >You think it will be called 6.1c???
> >The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows
> >version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays solitaire...
> >Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem
> >exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some point. Ya
>think???"
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:50:23 -0500
From:
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
Message-ID:
Bob Fisher
>FishPond Digital
>FCP will do the job as well as Avid, FCP 2.0 has many new features and
>most people who have used both think FCP is superior to Avid for the
>price. There are also other SDI cards out there
>for Mac, the best and lest expensive so far is the D1 Desktop by Digital
>Voodoo.
)))))))))))
Yup, I know about it, but I'm not too sure about
what it can do other than uncompressed quicktime.
What that means (if true) is that you can ONLY sample at the
uncompressed rate, which will require a raid array that is
able to sustain that rate of 270mbps. You'll also
need lots of gigs. I know Digital Voodoo just added audio
sampling too, but I'm not familiar with how it all integrates
with FPC. I will make it a point to check on this at NAB.
With clients fretting deadlines, you want a solution
that can bring it all home asap.
Though uncompressed is great, it can be a pain to deal with when
you have many hours of footage that need to be sampled and sorted through.
We never heard what it is that the original poster wanted to
accomplish, but it can be nice to have the ability to work in
lower resolution_s_, especially when different clients are
coming and going all the time and you need storage space
to hold their different projects.
Almost no one can tell the difference
between 2:1 and 1:1, and if you can, I bet you're stopped on
a frame and going over it with a fine tooth comb.
I don't count that, and heavens knows, DV won't stand up
to that test when compared to 2:1 digital betacam. Much of
the time, uncompressed is a waist of storage space, when
using 2:1 compression could have doubled it.
>This card is one card as opposed to Avids expansion Chasis and many cards,
I don't know if you've heard, but Avid's (almost new, 2 yrs old now) own
Merdien card is one slot for audio and video with a break out box.
The reasons for expansion chassis was the AVBD board set and is for those
who require many extra slots for other stuff. Running an Avid
takes only 1 slot now, and software is in version 10.
j"But I may buy the D1 card myself :)"merser
>>>jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Digital beta, for the best results, will have to be sampled into the
>>computer
>> via SDI (serial digital interface). Neither Avid Xpress DV nor any other
>> firewire based system can do this without a SDI to DV transcoder.
>>
>> If you can afford a digital betacam deck, I would assume
>> that you could go with either an Avid Xpress Deluxe w/ SDI input,
>> or FPC with the Pinnacle Cinewave SDI 601 breakout box.
>> The Avid is a true professional's tool that has proven itself
>> over many years and is the industry standard.
>> If you are doing this for your own company/self, then
>> FPC will also get the job done. I am
>> unfamiliar with how well FPC integrates with the Cinewave.
>> (Still a little new IMO to take a big risk on.)
>> Avid makes NT and MAC flavors o f _Xpress_ (not XpressDV),
>> and of course, there are
>> MANY other NLEs that have SDI input.
>
>>
>> Good luck and ready thy wallet!
>>
>> jmerser
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:53:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <200103291753.LAA31944@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I have the problem and I am running 384 MB RAM...
>The problem shows as a rapid stutter for about a second at any location
>while exporting the timeline to DV tape via the firewire.
>Gee, I'm glad you posted this thread here as I was wondering where the
>problem was coming from.
>
>I wonder if more RAM would fix this???
More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this problem
has been forgotten already.
Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If you
can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped frames,
both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use it
with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
works.
Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from what
I have discovered.
MB
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:57:33 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <3AC3778D.347D7A30@adent.com>
My ThinkPad is PIII800 with only 128 MB RAM. My FW Card is the IBM with TI chips. I export from an external IBM 75GB drive in a Pyro case. All is well here but this kind of thing does
make one nervous...please keep us informed.
mhood
PS: I still haven't done any long format work on my portable system.
"Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)" wrote:
> I have the problem and I am running 384 MB RAM...
> The problem shows as a rapid stutter for about a second at any location
> while exporting the timeline to DV tape via the firewire.
> Gee, I'm glad you posted this thread here as I was wondering where the
> problem was coming from.
>
> I wonder if more RAM would fix this???
>
> Stephan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
>
> It's true to an extent.
>
> First, not all users experience the problem. Second, one of the problems
> can be 'solved' by installing a massive amount of ram - like over 380M.
> Less than that and P6 starts banging into the swap file causing useless
> playback.
>
> To Adobe's credit, after seeing me post about the problem a few times THEY
> called ME to attempt to help solve the problem. Unfortunately by then I had
> disassembled that machine and I haven't really had a chance to test the
> problem in the new one (with 512M ram).
>
> At 11:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
> >Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true
> >what they say about the export to DV problem??
> >
> >"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
> >properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It
> >stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that
> >they have overcome this problem.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:58:35 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329193802.042fa570@popserver.panix.com>
At 08:54 AM 3/29/01 -0800, Sheila cited an unknown source:
>Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
>properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration.
This is total kerflooey. If Premiere wouldn't work on "any OHCI compliant
device, with any hardware configuration," this list would be up in flames
about it. If there's a problem, then it's with the original poster. He
might need to increase his medication. Or trade-in his 486 with 16 Megs of
RAM for something more contemporary ....
At 11:58 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Joew Parker wrote:
>First, not all users experience the problem. Second, one of the problems
>can be 'solved' by installing a massive amount of ram - like over 380M.
>Less than that and P6 starts banging into the swap file causing useless
>playback.
These days, 380 Megs is not considered "massive." "Generous," maybe.
Folks, video editing is now possible with a $29 1394 card from Best Buy and
some ridiculously cheap IDE drives. According to Pricewatch, 512 Megs of
PC133 RAM can be bought for less than $100, spend another $100 and you buy
quality RAM like Micron, Corsair or Kingston. This is bubkes compared to
what we paid for a DC30 with horrid quality, if it ever worked.
At these prices, I wouldn't complain even if my machine needed a full Gig
of RAM to output stutter-free video.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:02:48 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329130016.030deba8@mail.speakeasy.org>
The same system I had trouble with exporting from P6 had no trouble at all
exporting from MSP6. Ultimately it isn't a mobo or ram issue - it's a bug
in P6.
>More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
>I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this problem
>has been forgotten already.
>
>Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If you
>can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
>KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped frames,
>both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use it
>with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
>either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
>works.
>
>Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from what
>I have discovered.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:05:25 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
Thanks Joe.
I guess I will be awaiting the next premiere fix with great anticipation.
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:03 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
The same system I had trouble with exporting from P6 had no trouble at all
exporting from MSP6. Ultimately it isn't a mobo or ram issue - it's a bug
in P6.
>More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
>I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this problem
>has been forgotten already.
>
>Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If you
>can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
>KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped frames,
>both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use it
>with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
>either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
>works.
>
>Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from what
>I have discovered.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:06:29 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
MB,
I will try changing the PCI latency. My motherboard allows me to do it.
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Vidiot [mailto:brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:53 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
>I have the problem and I am running 384 MB RAM...
>The problem shows as a rapid stutter for about a second at any location
>while exporting the timeline to DV tape via the firewire.
>Gee, I'm glad you posted this thread here as I was wondering where the
>problem was coming from.
>
>I wonder if more RAM would fix this???
More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this problem
has been forgotten already.
Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If you
can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped frames,
both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use it
with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
works.
Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from what
I have discovered.
MB
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------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:14:23 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
Joe,
Which card are you using?
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:03 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
The same system I had trouble with exporting from P6 had no trouble at all
exporting from MSP6. Ultimately it isn't a mobo or ram issue - it's a bug
in P6.
>More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
>I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this problem
>has been forgotten already.
>
>Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If you
>can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
>KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped frames,
>both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use it
>with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
>either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
>works.
>
>Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from what
>I have discovered.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:20:43 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329200005.04308cc0@popserver.panix.com>
At 11:44 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Stephen took the words right out of my mouth
when he wrote:
>Please, no platform wars. Unless you plan on buying Richard a DV Mac and
>shipping it to him, offer some helpful advice or don't clutter the list.
I like that suggestion very much. So much that it has been incorporated
into common DV-L Law, which can be found at
http://www.dvcentral.org/thelist.html#list-police
In observance of the current trend of DV-L commercialization, list members
can now buy a "Free Flame" ticket by giving the machine of their choice for
free to the unlucky list member who has a problem. No tickey, no flamey.
BS. DV-L Riot Control
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:29:23 -0500
From: "ian.mattis"
To:
Subject: LANC vs Control S
Message-ID: <200103291329.AA544670618@paonline.com>
I have a Sony VHS VCR with "Control S" capability. I also have a Dazzle Hollywood DV Bridge on order. It's my understanding that the bridge has a LANC connection. Can this be used with the "Control S" connector. The connectors look the same.
Thanks.
--
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--
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:40:49 -0800
From: John Hemenway
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID:
ATI makes some good cards. I have an Xclaim VR 128 and love it.
>I've asked this on some Mac Lists with no replies!
>
>I want to add a second video card to my G4 to expand the worktop. Since it
>will only be used for artwork, I don't need any fancy 3D acceleration.
>
>An existing cheap (now obsolete) Formac PCI card works fine on my 9600 but
>stops the G4 from booting. I've temporarily stolen the 9600 OEM card but the
>driver for that won't update properly in the G4.
>
>I've just looked through the Ads in a couple of UK Mac magazines, and there
>isn't a single PCI video card to be seen.
>
>How can I get a second monitor on my G4?
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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jhemenway@santarosa.edu 707/527-4748
http://www.santarosa.edu/~jhemenw
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:50:40 +0200
From: "LRTV"
To:
Subject: SV: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
There is a fix for the playback stutter on the Adobe site. This is mainly=
a
PAL problem (any NTSC:rs or?).
Best regards,
Max
Lrtv
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fr=E5n: Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC) [mailto:HamelS@whscc.nb.ca]
Skickat: den 29 mars 2001 20:14
Till: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
=C4mne: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Joe,
Which card are you using?
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:03 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
The same system I had trouble with exporting from P6 had no trouble at al=
l
exporting from MSP6. Ultimately it isn't a mobo or ram issue - it's a bug
in P6.
>More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
>I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this prob=
lem
>has been forgotten already.
>
>Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If yo=
u
>can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
>KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped fram=
es,
>both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use i=
t
>with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
>either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
>works.
>
>Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from w=
hat
>I have discovered.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:53:42 -0800
From: Scott Farnsworth
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SV: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010329105307.033fbb80@pop1.chek.com>
It is likely that you have your project set to replay on the DV camera,
either unplug the camera and reboot or go into the project settings and
tell it not to play back on the DV.
-Scott
At 10:50 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
>There is a fix for the playback stutter on the Adobe site. This is mainly a
>PAL problem (any NTSC:rs or?).
>
>Best regards,
>
>Max
>Lrtv
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Fr=E5n: Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC) [mailto:HamelS@whscc.nb.ca]
>Skickat: den 29 mars 2001 20:14
>Till: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
>=C4mne: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
>
>
>Joe,
>
>Which card are you using?
>
>Stephan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:03 PM
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
>
>
>The same system I had trouble with exporting from P6 had no trouble at all
>exporting from MSP6. Ultimately it isn't a mobo or ram issue - it's a bug
>in P6.
>
>
> >More RAM won't fix it. I suspect motherboard problems. The same crap
> >I've been going through. I guess the recent discussions about this=
problem
> >has been forgotten already.
> >
> >Try changing your PCI latency in the BIOS, to something like 128. If you
> >can't change it and it is at 32, odds are you are in trouble. An Abit
> >KA7-100 board that I have cannot be set and it is at 32 and dropped=
frames,
> >both in and out, is part of the deal with this board. So, I can't use it
> >with any DV firewire card. The Abit BP6 board that I have can't be set
> >either, but its PCI latency is where I need it, which is why it probably
> >works.
> >
> >Firewire and PCI motherboards is a hit-n-miss situation, at least from=
what
> >I have discovered.
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:54:08 -0800
From: "Robert MacCaul"
To:
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
Most users are working in Premiere 6.0 on windows with OHCI DV cards without
problems. However, we aware that some users are experiencing stuttering and
speedup problems when exporting back to tape.
This is our highest priority issue and our working towards a solution.
Some users are reporting that the speedup issue can be solved by searching
for MSDV.sys file on the computer. Users with this issue have reported that
the older version of the driver exists System32/drivers folder vs. a newer
version that exists in the migrate folder. Copy the newer version into the
system32/drivers folder.
Thanks,
Robert
rmaccaul@adobe.com
Web Community Specialist, Dynamic Media
Adobe Systems Incorporated
www.adobe.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:58 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
It's true to an extent.
First, not all users experience the problem. Second, one of the problems
can be 'solved' by installing a massive amount of ram - like over 380M.
Less than that and P6 starts banging into the swap file causing useless
playback.
To Adobe's credit, after seeing me post about the problem a few times THEY
called ME to attempt to help solve the problem. Unfortunately by then I had
disassembled that machine and I haven't really had a chance to test the
problem in the new one (with 512M ram).
At 11:54 AM 3/29/2001, you wrote:
>Pasted below is a message off a board I linked to at dv.com. Is it true
>what they say about the export to DV problem??
>
>"Regarding the Windows version: It will not, repeat WILL NOT export
>properly to any OHCI compliant device, with any hardware configuration. It
>stutters and skips. No one has come out of the woodwork to report that
>they have overcome this problem. As with Premiere 5.0, 6.0 is useless, and
>now that a few thousand users have paid Adobe for the pleasure of
>uncovering this undocumented feature(bug), we must all sit and twiddle our
>thumbs until Adobe finds it convenient to release a functioning version.
>You think it will be called 6.1c???
>The reviewer was a Mac/person, so, as usual, he checked the Windows
>version about as thoroughly as he checks out Windows. (plays solitaire...
>Premiere 6.0 is the only major Windows based NLE that still has a problem
>exporting to DV, a feature that one just might need at some point. Ya
think???"
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:59:00 -0500
From: "Robert Love"
To:
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <003101c0b882$52a554c0$1319f7a5@8hcq101>
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Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS MENot to get into the =
platform wars again, but I own a DELL and it does DV editing right out =
of the box with Windows ME. And I am very, very happy with their tech =
support and customer service. I think everyone's experiences are unique =
and should not be made to be the norm. I also know people who have had =
bad experiences with Apple. I used Apple for years myself.
I think we should all try to just be supportive of each others chosen =
machines and platforms. I think it is very very unproductive (and can =
make the poster feel like crap when people tell him/her their machine is =
useless and get a Mac--I know because most of you did the same to me =
when I posted a question about Windows editing) and just plain useless.
Both platforms have advatages and disadvantages, and it depends on what =
you are looking for in an overall machine.
On that note...
Thanks for listening to me vent.
Robert
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"I don't know when I got bitter, but love is surely better when it's =
gone..."-Tonic
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kirk Lohse=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Richard,
I'm really sorry you're having trouble, butS
When will you people learn? Dell rhymes with HELL and that's where the =
DEVIL lives!
Dell and Gateway have put millions of dollars into marketing their =
products-perhaps they should spend more on quality assurance--or just =
quality period! I have a student in one of my DV classes who owns a =
Dell. She called their tech support to ask how she might upgrade it to =
do desktop video. After a 1.5 hour wait on the phone the tech tells her =
"I'm sorry ma'am but I can't help you with that, however I'll gladly =
connect you with Sales who can sell you a computer that does video". Is =
that choice, or what?!?
Want a DV rig that WORKS right out of the box? Get a Mac!
Enjoy!
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana College
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Not to get into the platform wars = again, but I own=20 a DELL and it does DV editing right out of the box with Windows ME. And = I am=20 very, very happy with their tech support and customer service. I think=20 everyone's experiences are unique and should not be made to be the norm. = I also=20 know people who have had bad experiences with Apple. I used Apple for = years=20 myself.
I think we should all try to just be = supportive of=20 each others chosen machines and platforms. I think it is very very = unproductive=20 (and can make the poster feel like crap when people tell him/her their = machine=20 is useless and get a Mac--I know because most of you did the same to me = when I=20 posted a question about Windows editing) and just plain = useless.
Both platforms have advatages and = disadvantages,=20 and it depends on what you are looking for in an overall = machine.
On that note...
Thanks for listening to me = vent.
Robert
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"I=20 don't know when I got bitter, but love is surely better when it's=20 gone..."-Tonic
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kirk = Lohse=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 = 11:26=20 AM
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO = CAPTURE ON=20 DELL / WINDOWS ME
Richard,
I'm really sorry you're having trouble, = butŠ
When will you people learn? Dell rhymes with HELL and = that's where=20 the DEVIL lives!
Dell and Gateway have put millions of dollars = into=20 marketing their products-perhaps they should spend more on quality=20 assurance--or just quality period! I have a student in one of my DV = classes=20 who owns a Dell. She called their tech support to ask how she might = upgrade it=20 to do desktop video. After a 1.5 hour wait on the phone the tech tells = her=20 "I'm sorry ma'am but I can't help you with that, however I'll gladly = connect=20 you with Sales who can sell you a computer that does video". Is that = choice,=20 or what?!?
Want a DV rig that WORKS right out of the box? Get a = Mac!
Enjoy!
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana=20 College
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:03:18 -0800
From: "Jeremy Dehne"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP 2.0 Freezes in Broswer
Message-ID:
I've had lots of problems with this deck, mostly what you're
describing. I think JVC has issues with newer QT; who knows.
I'd bet that a different brand, especially a Sony, works fine.
>I just purchase, from Apple, a new Power Mac G4, 733 MHz, with
>1.5GB SDRAM, 2x60 Ultra ATA drives, RADEON 32MB Card, and a
>Rage 128 PCI, 16 MB SDRAM card for second display. I expect
>this computer to scream! It does well except when I am in
>FCP 2.0 and I use the browswer functions for capturing
>video from my JVC BR-DV600U. Sometimes I get a "type 2
>error" message and other times no message. Tech Support
>was no help. He told me that everything looks in order.
>Does anyone know about compatibility problems with the
>JVC BR-DV600U deck? I get a "VTR OK" message in the Broswer.
>
>I understand that this deck worked well with FCP 1.2.5!
>My Time Code is in sync with the deck and everything
>appears normal! Anyway, if anyone has any ideas,I would
>sure be grateful. Tech Support basically told me that its
>my problem and they cannot help.
>
>Bruce
--
Jeremy Dehne
DV Guerrilla
Dynamic Media Group
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:05:10 -0800
From: Shaun Walker
To:
Subject: Re: Scanners for 35mm slides
Message-ID:
My understanding of the DigitalICE on previous models was that it
broadened the light source used for scanning and thus diffused the defects,
but I think the software side of the process has become more complex and
important. Maybe physical part has changed, too.
There's a review of the new Super Coolscan 4000ED at
http://steves-digicams.com/2001_reviews/nikon_coolscan4000.html
He has two good examples of what DigitalICE is capable of. And the new
Nikon's have DigitalGEM (which supposedly greatly reduces previous Nikon
scanners' tendency to over-emphasize grain) and DigitalROC (to give better
color in the original scan) -- all this extra software slows scanning quite
a bit, but should really save time over correcting by hand in
Photoshop/???. I believe the same software is included on the
SuperCoolScan IV at a more affordable price -- the 4000dpi 4000ED is great
if you need sharp prints bigger than 8x12" at 300dpi (a 25MB file already
possible with the 2800dpi-ish film scanners).
Speaking from newsaper/freelance experience, if you scan negatives more
than occaisionally, get the newer Nikons with the better software or the
highly-regarded Minolta (something) Scan Elite with Digital ICE and no
tendency to over-emphasize grain, either. Actually, I'd avoid the older
Nikons for slides, too. Our SuperCoolScan 1000 works great much of the time
for slides, but other times it can be very frustrating and produce unusable
scans.
*** Steve's Web site for digital still cams, by the way, is simply
excellent. He's always got lots of news and the latest reviews, links to
other's info and reviews, and very, very thorough reviews with screenshots
of controls, menus, etc. and a nice group of sample images at full
resolution to download taken straight from the camera's card. It'd be
outstanding of somebody did this good and thorough of a job for prosumer
MiniDV and low-level pro camcorders.
Shaun Walker http://OtterMedia.com Shaun@OtterMedia.com
.....
>Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but everything I've read leads
me to believe that Digital ICE isn't software at all: rather, it's a
hardware function that adds an infrared scan to the scanning process.
Most film dyes don't absorb in the infrared, so this scan picks up dust
and dirt (and scratches?) well, making it easy to subtract them. The
exceptions are one or more Kodachrome dyes and silver halide-based B/W
films (though not the C-41 B/W films), which absorb in the IR range,
rendering Digital ICE useless.
... mjs@netdoor.com<
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:04:19 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: (Free computers for all) was HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <200103291404.AA237240594@mail.xiveren.com>
>I like that suggestion very much. So much that it has been incorporated
>into common DV-L Law, which can be found at
>http://www.dvcentral.org/thelist.html#list-police
>
>In observance of the current trend of DV-L commercialization, list members
>can now buy a "Free Flame" ticket by giving the machine of their choice for
>free to the unlucky list member who has a problem. No tickey, no flamey.
Cool, thanks. Do I get a deputy badge too? Call me Barney Fife, the digital version...
;)
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's better to light a candle then to curse the darkness."
--Carl Sagan
--
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:04:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <200103291904.NAA32636@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Most users are working in Premiere 6.0 on windows with OHCI DV cards without
>problems. However, we aware that some users are experiencing stuttering and
>speedup problems when exporting back to tape.
>This is our highest priority issue and our working towards a solution.
>
>Some users are reporting that the speedup issue can be solved by searching
>for MSDV.sys file on the computer. Users with this issue have reported that
>the older version of the driver exists System32/drivers folder vs. a newer
>version that exists in the migrate folder. Copy the newer version into the
>system32/drivers folder.
>Robert
How can anyone report problems against any Abobe software when the feedback
area on the web site is utterly broken? I can't even send feedback to the
webmaster because the feedback refuses to send it.
Sending feedback to support results in the message being sent back to the
user that a message can't be sent to support without an authorization number.
Well, you can't get an authorization number until support responds.
Please let your bosses know that support needs support, as it is broken.
But, then again, you probably hear all the time that Adobe's current
support method is the pits.
It is nice to read that Adobe does know about this issue.
BTW, yes I do know that there is phone support avaialable for X number
of days after getting the product. So I suspect that this is how Adobe
has learned about the problem. Still, the web site feedback area needs
to be fixed and thoroughly tested.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:06:32 -0500
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: DV Storm gets 9.5!!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329135729.0424a480@pop3.concentric.net>
Canopus DVStorm Revisited (Now With Premiere 6) by Charlie White
DVStorm Running Premiere 5.1 Had a Few Stability Problems. They're All Gone
Now!
http://www.dvformat.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2001/03_mar/features/dvstorm_premiere6.htm
Gary
The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
The Desk Top Video Handbook On Line http://www.videoguys.com
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assurance program and FREE Tech Support (516) 759-1615
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:08:07 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329210742.047f04d0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 01:59 PM 3/29/01 -0500, Robert wrote:
>I think we should all try to just be supportive of each others chosen
>machines and platforms. I think it is very very unproductive (and can make
>the poster feel like crap when people tell him/her their machine is
>useless and get a Mac--I know because most of you did the same to me when
>I posted a question about Windows editing) and just plain useless.
>
>Both platforms have advatages and disadvantages, and it depends on what
>you are looking for in an overall machine.
Touche.
BS
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:18:52 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Deputy Stephen
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329211706.01bdf7e0@popserver.panix.com>
At 02:04 PM 3/29/01 -0500, Stephen wrote:
>Cool, thanks. Do I get a deputy badge too? Call me Barney Fife, the
>digital version...
Sure. We love volunteers. Consider yourself deputized. Here's your badge:
/======\
/ \
/ I'm The \
| Law! |
| U Flame,|
\ we main /
\ /
\======/
BS. DV-L Riot Control
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:21:31 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <1010329112135.41004e2.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1666057@mail.promax.com>
Joachim Smith Wrote
>Hi list,
>
>Please let me get this information straight concerning the Matrox RTMac card:
>
>It will output its realtime effects through Firewire. (Whoever would pay
>a thousand bucks just for previews?)
The RTMac previews in real time. To print back via FireWire one must
render all effects, titles, transitions, etc.
>The realtime effects will include dissolves and all parameters in the
>Motion tab, except Motion blur.
>
>It has analog inputs AND outputs.
Yes - as S-Video or Composite video and RCA audio.
>It will NOT do realtime color och level correction.
Correct.
>Or is there anything here that I've misunderstood?
>
>Cheers
>
>Joachim Smith
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:30:11 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: SV: RT Mac is shipping!!!
Message-ID: <1010329113015.4107f42.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1666171@mail.promax.com>
LRTV Wrote
>Hi dick,
>
>it seems to work ok. Just got my first sample in yesterday.
>Tried moving PIP, text, crossdissolve, jumping allover timeline
>with lots of clips like crazy, scrolling like crazy, all with
>no crash or hickups so far.
>I will be showing this RTMac during this weekend in a small
>exhibition here in Stockholm. 8 hours a day, two days, I can
>do a better report on stability on monday.
>One thing I haven't found out yet, or if it is a "feature":
>no sound from RTMac breakoutbox during Log and capture and
>one is supposed to turn internal speaker of. I had to connect
>DV/DVCAM source to speaker directly to get sound during Log
>and capture, then switch to RTMac BOB during editing.
>
>More on monday.
>
>Cheers,
>Robert Lindqvist
I think you will find the stability is ok. I still don't understand why
one must switch the audio but will figure it out soon.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:30:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Deputy Stephen
Message-ID: <200103291930.NAA00543@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Sure. We love volunteers. Consider yourself deputized. Here's your badge:
>
> /======\
> / \
> / I'm The \
> | Law! |
> | U Flame,|
> \ we main /
> \ /
> \======/
>
>BS. DV-L Riot Control
Looks like a Fife badge, considering that he would "main" instead of "maim."
MB
:-)
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:33:33 +0200
From: "Global-DVC"
To:
Subject: RE: Who makes DV tape?
Message-ID:
Question for Jan
We have the new Panasonic AY-DV186PQ tape for DHR 1000 and VX9000 use. Great
tape! But the mini's of Panasonic are more expensive than the FUJI tapes and
they come from the same factory we heared....... is this true Jan?
The other Jan
www.Global-DVC.Org
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:35:57 -0000
From: "bob something"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: slow motion video playback using Windows Media Player?
Message-ID:
Thank you Kevin M. and Peter V. for the slow motion video playback advice.
Using your suggestions, I have been successful in getting my teaching video
clips to play back in slow motion. Thank you very much.
Bob L.
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:37:26 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: Deputy Stephen
Message-ID: <200103291437.AA567476266@mail.xiveren.com>
>>Sure. We love volunteers. Consider yourself deputized. Here's your badge:
>>
>> /======\
>> / \
>> / I'm The \
>> | Law! |
>> | U Flame,|
>> \ we main /
>> \ /
>> \======/
>>
>>BS. DV-L Riot Control
It's just the beta version - I'm sure Bertel we have it working in the shipping version :)
The other irony is that I'm only 20 minutes from Mt. Airy, home of the Andy Griffith show...
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's better to light a candle then to curse the darkness."
--Carl Sagan
--
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:00:12 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Deputy Stephen
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329215728.041eb560@popserver.panix.com>
At 01:30 PM 3/29/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Looks like a Fife badge, considering that he would "main" instead of "maim."
Aw, shoot. Got the badge on Canal Street. Genuine product follows:
/======\
/ \
/ I'm The \
| Law! |
| U flame, |
\ we maim /
\ /
\======/
BS. DV-L Badger.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:29:42 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329132441.030dd5d8@mail.speakeasy.org>
>Joe,
>
>Which card are you using?
I *was* using OHCI Pyro on a P2 BX board w/160M ram. Again, that system is
doing other duty now so any tests I run here would likely be irrelevant.
But keep in mind I'd been using MSP6 on that system for months with no
trouble at all.
>At these prices, I wouldn't complain even if my machine needed a full Gig
>of RAM to output stutter-free video.
Maybe. But when we shop for things we expect the listed system requirements
to at least be _close_. Adobe says 128M is all you need. If it really needs
a gig then that would certainly be a part of an informed buyer's decision.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:22:08 -0600
From: "Lawrence Davin"
To:
Subject: Re: Installing other codecs in Premiere 6
Message-ID: <002e01c0b88d$ef3fa8c0$a084dd94@hal>
In this case I want to put something on compact disc for presentations but I
would like to have the option of many different codecs nonetheless. I find
Quicktime very choppy on the PC where .avi files are smooth.
As you could see from my list I don't have mpeg codecs available either.
Where would I find them?
Subject: Re: Installing other codecs in Premiere 6
From: "Terrence Walker"
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:02:09 +1000
MOst codecs can be found on the web somewhere... Indeo can probably be
had from Intel's site and Divx can be found in many places..
The problem is video for windows is dying and Microsloth will not be
supporting it much further... In premiere six you don't really need it.
What is the final destination of movie you're outputting? You might want
to consider MPEG or Quicktime...
Terrence Walker
http://www.studioartfx.com/
There's a new project in the works....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Davin"
> If I "export timeline" to make a movie as a Microsoft .avi file I only
> have a limited number of codecs available to use. They are: Cinepak;
> Indeo video 5.04, R3.2, 4.3; Microsoft RLE and Microsoft Video 1. Where
> do I find more codecs and how can I install them?
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:11 -0800
From: "Robert MacCaul"
To:
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
I was unaware that the feedback area of the website is broken. I'll check
into it and report it to the powers that be. It might be related to the
forums arena that crashed over the weekend. The forums are back up, but this
might be something that hasn't gotten fixed yet.
Thanks for the heads-up!
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Vidiot [mailto:brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:05 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
How can anyone report problems against any Abobe software when the feedback
area on the web site is utterly broken? I can't even send feedback to the
webmaster because the feedback refuses to send it.
Sending feedback to support results in the message being sent back to the
user that a message can't be sent to support without an authorization
number.
Well, you can't get an authorization number until support responds.
Please let your bosses know that support needs support, as it is broken.
But, then again, you probably hear all the time that Adobe's current
support method is the pits.
It is nice to read that Adobe does know about this issue.
BTW, yes I do know that there is phone support avaialable for X number
of days after getting the product. So I suspect that this is how Adobe
has learned about the problem. Still, the web site feedback area needs
to be fixed and thoroughly tested.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:33:21 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
>BTW, yes I do know that there is phone support avaialable for X number
>of days after getting the product. So I suspect that this is how Adobe
>has learned about the problem.
Actually, we learned a lot about it here, on the WWUG, on the Adobe
User Forum and via prembugs@adobe.com. We are still collecting data
on this, so go ahead and post details of your configuration to
mailto:prembugs@adobe.com.
Please note that just because your system is stuttering that doesn't
mean it's a bug on our end. Problems with smooth playback or capture
have been the number one problem since SuperMac DigitalFilm and
Radius VideoVision Studio came out in 1992. There are lots and lots
of ways to make a system have problems like this.
--Most playback problems are simply configuration issues, sometimes
software (like what Robert mentioned) sometimes hardware (People
using IDE cables instead of UDMA cables, or putting certain devices
on the same cable with the drive and the whole bus slows down, etc.).
These problems are usually best handled over the phone, otherwise
they take forever to sort out.
--We suspect that there is some fundamental incompatibility between
Media Studio Pro 6 and Premiere since many users have reported that
uninstalling MSP6 solved their Premiere playback problems. We are
interested in hearing from those of you who have experienced
something like this.
--We confirmed and fixed a genuine Premiere bug in PAL DV.
We are still trying to reproduce a case in-house where a system that
by rights should not have any problems (fast Pentium III,
defragmented 7200RPM drive, plenty of RAM, etc.) cannot play back
smoothly. If you have such a case, please send configuration
information to mailto:prembugs@adobe.com.
--Mike Jennings
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:59:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <200103292059.OAA01611@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
Robert responded:
>I was unaware that the feedback area of the website is broken. I'll check
>into it and report it to the powers that be. It might be related to the
>forums arena that crashed over the weekend. The forums are back up, but this
>might be something that hasn't gotten fixed yet.
>Thanks for the heads-up!
The website feedback area has been bad for over a month. I gave up trying,
so today it might be working.
Thanks.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:11:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <200103292111.PAA01746@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Actually, we learned a lot about it here, on the WWUG, on the Adobe
>User Forum and via prembugs@adobe.com. We are still collecting data
>on this, so go ahead and post details of your configuration to
>mailto:prembugs@adobe.com.
>--Mike Jennings
Where does one find all of the various Adobe bug e-mail addresses?
I don't remember seeing one in the FrameMaker docs. Not that I have
any bugs to report on that, because I don't. I do want Adobe to sell
a Linux version. I really loved the Linux beta version. Then the rug
got pulled. I sent a nasty gram to the beta user address. That is another
story. The latest PostScript printer driver has a very nasty bug in that it
prints "draft" on each page, even though it isn't turned on and I have no
idea where to report it. If the website worked, I could have that way.
Sounds like, from the forum, that I can call in via one of my other programs.
I have Illustrator, Photoshop, that I could use as an entry point. Speaking
of Illustrator and Photoshop, I don't remember seeing a bug address listed
for those programs either.
Sorry that this is off-topic, but it might benefit other Adobe users if
they have problems.
Thanks.
MB
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:24:09 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
> >Actually, we learned a lot about it here, on the WWUG, on the Adobe
>>User Forum and via prembugs@adobe.com. We are still collecting data
>>on this, so go ahead and post details of your configuration to
>>mailto:prembugs@adobe.com.
>>--Mike Jennings
>
>Where does one find all of the various Adobe bug e-mail addresses?
I don't know if there's any formal addresses. prembugs was set up so
that we could have a place to direct people who have information
concerning a bug or a problem.
--Mike Jennings
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:35:34 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Premiere 6 Suggestion Box
Message-ID: <200103291635.AA386203898@mail.xiveren.com>
I would someone to develop an external hardware box to work the Premiere Mixer - with 8 to 16 track faders and stereo masters. I love this feature, but doing one track at a time makes the old mouse hand scream for mercy...
Even just two faders for cross fades would be nice.
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It's better to light a candle then to curse the darkness."
--Carl Sagan
--
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:41:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <200103292141.PAA02063@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>>Where does one find all of the various Adobe bug e-mail addresses?
>
>I don't know if there's any formal addresses. prembugs was set up so
>that we could have a place to direct people who have information
>concerning a bug or a problem.
>--Mike Jennings
OK, thanks.
MB
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Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:47:07 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329224939.03b126c0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 01:29 PM 3/29/01 -0500, Joe wrote:
>Maybe. But when we shop for things we expect the listed system
>requirements to at least be _close_. Adobe says 128M is all you need. If
>it really needs a gig then that would certainly be a part of an informed
>buyer's decision.
I never said it needs a Gig. I simply expressed willingness to go up to a
gig of memory if that's what it needs to produce smooth video. I'm willing
to buy my graphic artists a lot of memory if that makes their Photoshop
work faster and more enjoyable (it does).
If it is indeed a memory issue and if Prem6 needs more than 128M, then yes,
Adobe should say so. But this thread started with a blanket accusation ("It
will not, repeat WILL NOT export properly to any OHCI compliant device,
with any hardware configuration") of dubious pedigree, and that accusation
is patently wrong. There are many people on this list who do not have any
problems, and very few who have.
There have been reports from the get-go that the PCI latency has an
influence on 1394 performance on certain motherboards, and having been
peripherally involved with 1394 hardware since their inception, I can
believe this argument. (There was a BIG PCI bus related problem with the
first Adaptec chips of lore, may they rest in peace.)
There have also been reports that an updated msdv.sys driver helps.
Problems along these lines are documented at
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q252/1/85.ASP
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q260/5/44.ASP ("The IEEE
1394 driver (Msdv.sys) in Windows 2000 does not function properly in
computer with more than 4 gigabytes (GB) of RAM ...")
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q271/4/64.ASP
The PAL problem is documented at
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q266/6/53.ASP
As Mike Jennings (who is a great guy with a lot of 1394 experience) said,
it could be a clash between MSP6 and Premiere. Both use their own direct
access to 1394, and as Mike said "many users have reported that
uninstalling MSP6 solved their Premiere playback problems." A clash between
rival apps is a common problem (there was a time when stupid multimedia
apps totally screwed up your system ..) and it is usually not detected
during beta testing.
Lastly, it could be a bug that only appears under certain circumstances
with certain hardware etc. As Mike also said, they've been trying to
reproduce it and failed. This also is a common phenomenon. Test machines
(and, to some degree also machines of beta testers) often gravitate to a
certain, orderly corner and can't completely reflect the chaotic world of
windows hardware and software.
I still remember (when I did the Premiere forum on Compuserve) a problem
with an early version on Premiere (forgot which one) where a few people
lost their complete project, because the file was corrupted. It affected
less than 10 people on this planet, but boy, were they mad. At Adobe, they
tried everything to reproduce the problem, but could not. It was crazy. I
sent word out to stop everything when the problem arises. Finally, someone
in Belgium had the problem. I was in Germany at the time, hopped in the
car, drove to his house and took a snapshot of his system. The very weekend
Nick had gone over the source code and found the spot where an errant
pointer could have caused the problem. I called him and yelled "I caught
one in the wild!" He said: "I already fixed it."
In Joe's case, we'll never know, because he destroyed the evidence
("Unfortunately by then I had disassembled that machine ...") Tech support
simply LOVES stuff like this.
BS
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:05:06 +1000
From: "Walter Starck"
To:
Subject: Question re: Premier 6 Mac version
Message-ID: <002d01c0b89c$50d7c1e0$1d8a8ec6@hjs511s>
In Premiere 6 Windows version one can export from the timeline in what they call Advanced
Windows Media format. This is the MS version of MPEG-4 and it produces a .wmv file which
plays with Windows Media Player. I would appreciate hearing if the Mac version of
Premiere 6 also supports this export format.
Walter Starck
Golden Dolphin Video CD Magazine
www.goldendolphin.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:10:04 -0800
From: "Robert MacCaul"
To:
Subject: RE: Question re: Premier 6 Mac version
Message-ID:
You kind find this format in the Save for Web export option on the MAC
version.
Choose Windows Media Video setting or the Settings Wizard, Windows Media
Option. It uses the Mpeg 4 Windows codec.
Hope this helps.
Robert
rmaccaul@adobe.com
Web Community Specialist, Dynamic Media
Adobe Systems Incorporated
www.adobe.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Starck [mailto:wstarck@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:05 PM
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Question re: Premier 6 Mac version
In Premiere 6 Windows version one can export from the timeline in what they
call Advanced
Windows Media format. This is the MS version of MPEG-4 and it produces a
.wmv file which
plays with Windows Media Player. I would appreciate hearing if the Mac
version of
Premiere 6 also supports this export format.
Walter Starck
Golden Dolphin Video CD Magazine
www.goldendolphin.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:12:30 -0600
From: Kirk Lohse
To: DV List
Subject: apologies
Message-ID:
Greetings!
My apologies to Richard Webb, for not offering him any constructive advice
regarding his problem.
While I am unrepentant in my disdain for certain computer manufacturers and
operating systems, I agree that the forum's posts should be limited to
constructive advice. I myself have benefited a great deal from the
information shared herein and realize that we all need to peacefully
co-exist.
After all, if Hilary and Bill can share the same roof, Macs and PCs should
be able to share the same forum.
Regards,
Kirk Lohse
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:27:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: apologies
Message-ID: <200103292227.QAA02980@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>After all, if Hilary and Bill can share the same roof, Macs and PCs should
>be able to share the same forum.
Don't forget Linux systems. The video for Linux stuff is coming along and
will be contending with what is available for the others.
As an interesting side note, I was reading in the latest TV Technology
trade rag that a new 60 kw a digital broadcast transmitter was being controlled
by a desktop computer. No big deal there, except that the computer is
running Linux. I guess they wanted to make sure that the TV transmitter
stayed up :-)
MB
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programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:31:11 -0800
From: "John Seghers"
To:
Subject: Re: HELP!! UNABLE TO CAPTURE ON DELL / WINDOWS ME
Message-ID: <00df01c0b89f$f4fb13a0$a6dcbdd1@crossgain.com>
From: "Richard Webb"
> Thanks for the tips...although I am still in the dark as far as what to do with
> Windows CD... what do I actually do with it? Instructions are vague... they said I
> would be prompted to insert Windows CD and follow the wizard instructions, but no
> such prompt occurred and it just seemed to automatically install the driver off the hard
> drive. Even the troubleshooting homepage for Dazzle DV has just one line of text saying
> 'You will need to have your Windows CD ready to complete installation.'
> Great help, huh?
On my system, Windows prefers to install the Texas Instruments OHCI drivers, but the
card and DV device I have work better with the Microsoft drivers.
Go into Device Manager, select the 1394 Controller Properities. Go to the Driver tab
and select Update Driver. This will bring up a Wizard to try and find a better driver.
However, you already have installed what Windows _thinks_ is the appropriate driver.
Make the selection that you will specify the driver and click next.
Then there will be a selection to show you all the available drivers appropriate for this
device. This will likely show you two drivers, the TI driver and the one from Microsoft
(which IIRC is just labeled "OHCI compliant 1394 driver" or some such, but no company
listed).
The camcorder should show up under "Imaging Devices" when it is connected and turned
on. Firewire is a hot-swappable plug & play technology, so if you turn off your camcorder
it will disappear from the installed hardware list. Sometimes (especially with the TI driver)
the camcorder will show up under the Sound and Multimedia section.
If you want to use the standard MSFT drivers for the camera (shows up as a Generic DV
recorder) you may have to play the same driver-switching game as above with the 1394 driver.
Once this is installed, there may be a setting in the driver properties that says to
recognize "non-compliant" devices. Try checking this if your camcorder doesn't show up
after the driver change.
- John
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:51:27 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RE: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID:
Gary posted:
>>How can I get a second monitor on my G4?
Check out the Matrox RT Mac. It gives you dual monitor, analog conversion
and real-time Final Cut Pro features.<
Nice board, but hardly an economic solution to a simple requirement for
extra space! Like buying a Ferrari to use for picking up the groceries!
Promax do a Mac conversion of the Matrox G400 dual head board, but I already
have a nice card driving an Apple Studio TFT display and giving me DVD
decoding and other goodies.
I just want a plain vanilla PCI video card that'll work in a G4, surely
somebody must know a suitable product?
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:03:47 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <011e01c0b8ac$f89d06a0$44a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Ton Guiking
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: donderdag 29 maart 2001 17:52
Onderwerp: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Charles,
Now you're at it, would you mind also commenting on this one?
>>
>>It will NOT do realtime color och level correction.
>>
>
>Right. I'm not sure whether it will give real time preview of color
>correction, didn't get a straight answer to that question yet.
TIA,
Ton Guiking
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:12:02 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID: <012e01c0b8ae$21e8d060$44a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Perry
>I just want a plain vanilla PCI video card that'll work in a G4, surely
>somebody must know a suitable product?
Perry, maybe too obvious, but did you check out www.2-pop.com ?
Ton
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:18:12 +0200
From: Jordi Joaquim i Recort
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: [DV-List] Re: 2nd video board for G4
Message-ID:
>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: Perry
>>I just want a plain vanilla PCI video card that'll work in a G4, surely
> >somebody must know a suitable product?
>
A couple of friends have a formac card.. works perfect with Final
Cut Pro... both on G4 450...
hope this helps,
Cheers
--
Jordi Joaquim i Recort
Video Creative
Internet Streaming Consultant
Digital Video Specialist
Multimedia Producer
Web Project Manager
New Technology Evangelist
+346 09590950
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:34:28 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <1010329163433.4214377.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1675088@mail.promax.com>
Ton Guiking Wrote
The RTMac and our RT-Lite will not do real time color correction.
The RT-MAX will.
>Charles,
>Now you're at it, would you mind also commenting on this one?
>
>>>
>>>It will NOT do realtime color och level correction.
>>>
>>
>>Right. I'm not sure whether it will give real time preview of color
>>correction, didn't get a straight answer to that question yet.
>
>
>TIA,
>Ton Guiking
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:21:00 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329200009.01b1c808@mail.speakeasy.org>
>As Mike Jennings (who is a great guy with a lot of 1394 experience) said,
>it could be a clash between MSP6 and Premiere. Both use their own direct
>access to 1394, and as Mike said "many users have reported that
>uninstalling MSP6 solved their Premiere playback problems." A clash
>between rival apps is a common problem (there was a time when stupid
>multimedia apps totally screwed up your system ..) and it is usually not
>detected during beta testing.
I dunno. Using both all the time I can't imagine anyone voluntarily giving
up MSP for P6, but more importantly I can't imagine why a not-running MSP
would interfere. Maybe in Win9x where system files could be replaced by
installing, but in my case P6 was installed last - long after MSP6 - and
it's Win2k anyway which doesn't allow that nonsense.
>In Joe's case, we'll never know, because he destroyed the evidence
>("Unfortunately by then I had disassembled that machine ...") Tech support
>simply LOVES stuff like this.
Actually, after this long thread today I just ran a quick test and it looks
like the problem is still there. Sort of. Specifically, Task Manager
reports memory usage thus (vm=Virtual Memory usage):
P6 - 17M+200M(vm)
MSP - 35M+76M(vm)
Eudora - 18M+11M(vm)
The above are while playing an avi I just captured in P6 (although P6
insists on stopping when I bring Task Manager up).
I know next to nothing about the inner workings of Win2k, but it looks like
P6 might start swapping with even a 256M system. I wonder if any of those
test systems at Adobe had the recommended minimum of 128M and if so what
total memory usage do they report during playback?
Win2k SP1, VP6, Dual P3-866, 512M, DX8, PCI Latency 248
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:30:30 -0500
From: "David Cherniack"
To: ,
DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
Message-ID: <3AC39B66.29871.71334DE@localhost>
This is all very true except when using dv25 as an aquisition format for
broadcast, where I would argue that onlining via SDI to uncompressed is the
best solution; it avoids the transcoding artifacts that even 2:1 will show with
multiple layers and cc.
wrote
>
> Almost no one can tell the difference
> between 2:1 and 1:1, and if you can, I bet you're stopped on
> a frame and going over it with a fine tooth comb.
> I don't count that, and heavens knows, DV won't stand up
> to that test when compared to 2:1 digital betacam. Much of
> the time, uncompressed is a waist of storage space, when
> using 2:1 compression could have doubled it.
>
___________________________________
Extended Films
dcherniack@canada.com
http://members.home.net/dcherniack
___________________________________
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:00:54 -0800
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010329180054.018cc170@m4.sprynet.com>
Joe -
>I can't imagine why a not-running MSP would interfere.
My understanding is that MSP installs a non-standard 1394 stack that the
DX-8 installer doesn't successfully replace. Admittedly, I don't fully
understand this specific issue, but it seems DX-8 and MSP6 play a bit of
tug-of-war with system components, on 9x and Win2k.
>Actually, after this long thread today I just ran a quick test and it looks
>like the problem is still there. Sort of.
Does video play back correctly for you now?
>Specifically, Task Manager
>reports memory usage thus (vm=Virtual Memory usage):
>P6 - 17M+200M(vm)
>MSP - 35M+76M(vm)
>Eudora - 18M+11M(vm)
Memory is not the problem.
The number you want to look at is the first one, the actual memory
footprint. As you can see, Premiere is actually using *less* real memory
than MSP6.
Premiere allocates a huge virtual memory space on startup for caching
images, video, audio waveforms, etc. This large memory space isn't actually
used unless you start caching lots of large images during a render. On
playback, most of it gets dumped, specifically to avoid any memory problems
during playback.
Some playback systems (older versions of are QuickTime notorious for this,
but better these days) pretty much like to have the whole machine for
playback, so Prem tries to accomodate whatever playback system someone has
plugged in.
>(although P6 insists on stopping when I bring Task Manager up).
You can set TM to float if you want to observe the memory footprint during
playback.
>I know next to nothing about the inner workings of Win2k, but it looks like
>P6 might start swapping with even a 256M system.
Nope. My Win2k development system has 256mb ram. I routinely run Premiere
while running about 3-5 other apps incl Photoshop, IE, Eudora, etc, and
swapping is minimal to nil, and DV video plays back fine for me.
Memory is not the problem.
>I wonder if any of those
>test systems at Adobe had the recommended minimum of 128M and if so what
>total memory usage do they report during playback?
Yes. (Memory is not the problem.)
Nick
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:40:12 -0600
From: Rune Hansen
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <20010329214012.B19027@styx.net>
> The RTMac and our RT-Lite will not do real time color correction.
> The RT-MAX will.
What kind of color correction filters will be provided? The color
correction tools in FCP are pretty poor, with a low level of control,
so I was hoping these filters will be of a more professional quality.
Thanks.
--
Rune Hansen Simplemente
E-mail: rune@simplemente.net http://www.simplemente.net/
Kansas 31, #5 Tel: +52 5669 0872
Col. Napoles, CP 03810, Mexico D.F. Fax: +52 5669 1758
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:26:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Charos
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: The Pioneer DVR-2000 : Second Post
Message-ID: <20010330032622.79331.qmail@web9613.mail.yahoo.com>
This is my second request for information. I will not
re-post again. Thanks.
Has anyone on the list tried one of the Pioneer
DVR-2000? They are going for about $2,500 on ebay, and
it sounds like a great replacement for my aging 3/4"
non-SP umatic deck. Really aging...
I don't care so much about the menuing, as the disk
will contain a capture of a "live" 60 minute peroid
of time.
Do you know if it works with the cheap dvd-r disks?
Can I rip the disk to my hard drive (with a DVD
drive, of course) and edit the material?
Thanks in advance.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:41:00 -0600
From: paul
To:
Subject: HD TV - OT
Message-ID:
As long as we a bit OT, I occaisionally get to use a Sony HDCam HD700a which
is a great 2yr old HDTV camcorder (pro). But what kills me is lugging a
"portable" field monitor. While you would expect the focus and contrast to
be great, I never got a grasp its on color, and need a monitor to proof my
shots.
SO!
Are there any flat panel/plasmas that can take Y-Pb-Pr in? I'm not taking a
50" Pioneer either!!
Thanks if anyone can help me get a clue!!
regards as always,
paul
paul@hubner.net
BTW - HD-SDI at 1920x1080 runs uncompressed at about 1.5 Giga bits per
second. The editor we use has 4 scsi arrays running in parallel to keep up!
On the plus side, it uses QT and once on the PC, any app that open QT is
usable.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:57:46 -0500
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329224413.03424588@mail.speakeasy.org>
>Does video play back correctly for you now?
You mean in P6? Yes. It always played correctly in MSP6. Note that I only
ran a short test today, but it seemed okay.
>Memory is not the problem.
>
>The number you want to look at is the first one, the actual memory
>footprint. As you can see, Premiere is actually using *less* real memory
>than MSP6.
You're the expert. But I know that previously when P6 started jerking and
stopped playback I could plainly see in Task Manager it was generating
constant Page Fault Deltas in the *thousands* (and climbing as I recall).
Clearly something was wrong - the system was so busy hitting virtual memory
it had no time left to do anything else.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:01:13 -0800
From: "Mike Jennings"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID:
>>Does video play back correctly for you now?
>
>
>You mean in P6? Yes. It always played correctly in MSP6. Note that I
>only ran a short test today, but it seemed okay.
>
>>Memory is not the problem.
>>
>>The number you want to look at is the first one, the actual memory
>>footprint. As you can see, Premiere is actually using *less* real memory
>>than MSP6.
>
>
>You're the expert. But I know that previously when P6 started
>jerking and stopped playback I could plainly see in Task Manager it
>was generating constant Page Fault Deltas in the *thousands* (and
>climbing as I recall). Clearly something was wrong - the system was
>so busy hitting virtual memory it had no time left to do anything
>else.
That is terrific information. We'll begin looking for this symptom
or what might cause it.
--Mike Jennings
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:21:13 EST
From: CODE4OK@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: ??DV tapes In Los Angeles??
Message-ID: <31.12905b39.27f563b9@aol.com>
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Can anyone advise me where to purchase Mini DV tapes (at a good price) in the
Los Angeles/Hollywood area?
Thank-you,
Brian Podolsky
California Private Investigator #19073
PMB 1204
Alta Loma, California 91701
(626) 675-9821
E mail: code4ok@aol.com
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Can anyone advise me where to purchase Mini DV tapes (at a good price) in the
Los Angeles/Hollywood area?
Thank-you,
Brian Podolsky
California Private Investigator #19073
PMB 1204
Alta Loma, California 91701
(626) 675-9821
E mail: code4ok@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:31:42 -0800
From: Joshua Martin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ??DV tapes In Los Angeles??
Message-ID: <3AC4284E.C6BF1BC6@texas.net>
Brian,
Sorry I can't help you w/tapes in Cali, but I found protape.com has a
sale (for the last few weeks AAMOFact) on Panasonic 60 minute tapes.
They're $4.99, and they said they'd drop the price to $4.75 on qty. of
50.
Never bought from them, so YMMV.
-josh
CODE4OK@aol.com wrote:
>
> Can anyone advise me where to purchase Mini DV tapes (at a good price)
> in the
> Los Angeles/Hollywood area?
>
> Thank-you,
>
> Brian Podolsky
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:53:55 -0600
From: "gordon"
To:
Subject: Re: Mini Dv Rewinder
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I too would like to know if this is available. And also a dv-cam tape =
rewinder. Thanks for any info. BTW, I have found sony mini-dv tape for =
very cheap at www.thetapeguys.com. Check them out. Thanks again.
Gordon
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Does anyone know where I can purchase a mini dv tape rewinder, if any =
even exist? I dont want to rewind my mini-dv tapes with my camera and a =
deck is too expensive.
Thanks....Paul b.
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I too would like to know if this is = available. And=20 also a dv-cam tape rewinder. Thanks for any info. BTW, I = have found=20 sony mini-dv tape for very cheap at www.thetapeguys.com. Check = them=20 out. Thanks again.
Gordon
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:02:12 EST
From: Direct35mm@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: JVC DV Tapes at Costco $6.00 each
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Costco sells JVC 60 Minute tapes in a 4 pack for $23.99
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Costco sells JVC 60 Minute tapes in a 4 pack for $23.99
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:22:02 -0800
From: louisehr@rcf.usc.edu (Louise Reichlin)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ??DV tapes In Los Angeles??
Message-ID:
Steadi Systems became The Tape Co, and they are on Highland on the diagonal
from LIghtning Dubs. I actually order from their corporate office in
another state so I don't pay tax, and they deliver from the LA office (I am
in LA) the next day. They charged me $6.89 for their sony mini 60 pr2's
today. If you buy a lot, they will drop prices. It is best to call their
800 # ( 800-851-3113) and ask for an account mngr. The LA person is Katie
and her ext. is 8758.
Louise Reichlin
>Can anyone advise me where to purchase Mini DV tapes (at a good price) in the
>Los Angeles/Hollywood area?
>
>Thank-you,
>
>Brian Podolsky
>California Private Investigator #19073
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:41:00 -0800
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: a system for Avid Xpress DV
Message-ID: <3AC41C6C.5FEEB559@pacbell.net>
jmerser@concentric.net wrote:
> Bob Fisher
> >FishPond Digital
> >FCP will do the job as well as Avid, FCP 2.0 has many new features and
> >most people who have used both think FCP is superior to Avid for the
> >price. There are also other SDI cards out there
> >for Mac, the best and lest expensive so far is the D1 Desktop by Digital
> >Voodoo.
> )))))))))))
>
> Yup, I know about it, but I'm not too sure about
> what it can do other than uncompressed quicktime.
> What that means (if true) is that you can ONLY sample at the
> uncompressed rate, which will require a raid array that is
> able to sustain that rate of 270mbps. You'll also
> need lots of gigs. I know Digital Voodoo just added audio
> sampling too, but I'm not familiar with how it all integrates
> with FPC. I will make it a point to check on this at NAB.
> With clients fretting deadlines, you want a solution
> that can bring it all home asap.
I have seen FCP running on a D Desktop and it runs just like DV, seamlessly, better than the Igniter actually.
>
>
> Though uncompressed is great, it can be a pain to deal with when
> you have many hours of footage that need to be sampled and sorted through.
> We never heard what it is that the original poster wanted to
> accomplish, but it can be nice to have the ability to work in
> lower resolution_s_, especially when different clients are
> coming and going all the time and you need storage space
> to hold their different projects.
Offline your project in DV resolution then recapture uncompressed to finnish and add graffix. I have seen several of the Digital Voodoo systems running on IDE to SCSI raids, I can't
remember the manufacturer right now. Since the data rate is only 27-30MB/sec you can do this on single Ultra160 drives(scsi).
>
>
> Almost no one can tell the difference
> between 2:1 and 1:1, and if you can, I bet you're stopped on
> a frame and going over it with a fine tooth comb.
> I don't count that, and heavens knows, DV won't stand up
> to that test when compared to 2:1 digital betacam. Much of
> the time, uncompressed is a waist of storage space, when
> using 2:1 compression could have doubled it.
If you are useing a lot of graffix then it will make a differance. After using the Igniter card on a few projects I am not impressed by the lowest compression and it only captures 8bit.
The D1 Desktop captures and processes in 10bit. The CineWave system only processes D1 in 8bit and there is no compression on the board like the Igniter, it only does uncompressed.
>
>
> >This card is one card as opposed to Avids expansion Chasis and many cards,
>
> I don't know if you've heard, but Avid's (almost new, 2 yrs old now) own
> Merdien card is one slot for audio and video with a break out box.
> The reasons for expansion chassis was the AVBD board set and is for those
> who require many extra slots for other stuff. Running an Avid
> takes only 1 slot now, and software is in version 10.
All the Avid Meridian boardsets I have seen in action have the expansion chassis being used.
>
>
> j"But I may buy the D1 card myself :)"merser
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:49:13 -0800
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Is this true about Premiere 6??
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010329224913.018cc170@m4.sprynet.com>
Joe -
>You're the expert. But I know that previously when P6 started jerking and
>stopped playback I could plainly see in Task Manager it was generating
>constant Page Fault Deltas in the *thousands* (and climbing as I recall).
>Clearly something was wrong - the system was so busy hitting virtual memory
>it had no time left to do anything else.
Yes, I recall that this was the case on your old machine. It is not the
case on other machines with the same memory footprint. I don't know why
your machine was behaving differently than most -- and I'd really like to
know what was causing things to thrash.
Nick
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:00:35 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
Message-ID: <014401c0b8f1$18f1c1e0$44a26dc2@default>
Charles, I don't want to be nitpicking but what I tried to get to know is
whether the RT Mac will give real time color correction in PREVIEW mode (I
know that you have to render for DV output)
Ton Guiking
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Van: Charles F. McConathy
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: vrijdag 30 maart 2001 2:34
Onderwerp: Re: Promax RT MAX (and Matrox RTMac)
>Ton Guiking Wrote
>
>The RTMac and our RT-Lite will not do real time color correction.
>
>The RT-MAX will.
>
>>Charles,
>>Now you're at it, would you mind also commenting on this one?
>>
>>>>
>>>>It will NOT do realtime color och level correction.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Right. I'm not sure whether it will give real time preview of color
>>>correction, didn't get a straight answer to that question yet.
>>
>>
>>TIA,
>>Ton Guiking
>
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