DV-L Tue, 3 Apr 2001 Volume 1 : Number 814
In this issue:
RE: DVStorm-Split Audio?
Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!!
Last warning
NOTAC: List goes to "subscription moderated"
Re: HS-1 (was Mini Dv Rewinder)
Re: Re: Matrox G450 Dual Head TV Out - NG
Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: EPSON service
Re: Scan Do?
Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: Two Programs: After Effects and VJam
Re: bluescreen in premiere5.1
RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: Mini Dv Rewinder
Corporate Voiceover in 2001/2002
NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
$49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001/2002
Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Re: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Re: OCHI compliant $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Re: Two Programs: After Effects and VJam
Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Re: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
RE: dv quality
RE: dv quality
Re: dv quality
Logging software
Re: dv quality
RE: dv quality compaired to Media100?
RE: dv quality
RE: dv quality
RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:43:58 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DVStorm-Split Audio?
Message-ID:
Yup. Premiere does this split-audio so much more conveniently. I normally
use this for interviews where I dissolve a talking head to footage and
return back to the talking head. Ridiculously simple in Premiere - just
overlay another video track and fade it in and out. Impossibly hard in the
DVRex - export the voice track, dissolve the talking head to footage, put
the voice track down and match frame it to the talking head's voice...(I
hope you guys get the idea). All this just to avoid doing a hard cut while
inserting video footage in the middle of a talking head shot. I guess its
just something we have to live with if we want to have the convenience of
the Canopus editing products (nothings perfect, after all).
What can I say? Use the tool that helps you get the job done, even if its a
clunker.
Randy Quimopo
In premiere, it's much simpler. You hit ctrl (or is it shift or alt?),
then drag the audio portion of the second clip forward as far as you
want.
Wes
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 03:50:13 -0700
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Message-ID: <001001c0bb62$b27bf0b0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Correction - the word NOT was missing from the second sentence of the third
paragragraph which should read:
. In view of the significance of developers to the
> needs of the DV-L cummunity I do NOT feel it right to close discussions as
> quickly as happened in this case.
----- Original Message -----
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:09 AM
Subject: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
> What principals govern thread closure? I hate to be critical but I feel
some
> analysis of the principles is needed.
>
> I feel that the rules should be the same for discussions about all
> manufacturers and suppliers. There has been plenty of past discussion
about
> other manufacturers/suppliers in the past. Quite a few members of this
list
> are past/present employees of Adobe and it is therefore particularly
> important that special considerations should not be seen apply here.
>
> To put it simply it seems to me that the dicussion on Adobe was
> closed rather abruptly. In view of the significance of developers to the
> needs of the DV-L cummunity I do feel it right to close discussions as
> quickly as happened in this case. I feel it favors developer interest at
the
> expense of community interest.
>
> At this point I accept that BS has the authority to close a thread -- but
> the most recent thread closure seemed to me, to have occured before time.
I
> have received emails direct which would ordinarily have gone to the list
if
> the closure had not, in my view, been premature.
>
> My comment "Case closed" was part of a dialogue. It was not meant that I
> wanted to close the thread- if you thought that was what I meant then I
feel
> my posting was not read carefully.
>
> I was astonished to find out later that the thread had been closed.
>
> I ask that you reconsider the decision to close that thread - so the
> discussion, which I had hopewd might bear positive fruit for all DV-Lers
can
> continue anabated..Please do not let this list suffer from loss of
> reasonable free speech because a few abuse it from time to time.
>
> DE
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:01:07 +0800
From: "Brian Low"
To:
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Message-ID: <200104021701.AA3319399226@18all.com>
Neither do I. I had stated that customer service is also an important element of a business and companies like Epson (in my case) or Adobe (in the original thread) were doing their customers a dis-service. I was warned against continuing such comments.
I was also taken off the list when I replied without knowing the thread had been closed. (There are so many e-mails of so many discussions that I read the original to the latest reply, so I may miss the announcement of the thread closing.)
I'm back on the list now after re-subscribing.
Brian L.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: " Vizion Communication"
Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 03:50:13 -0700
>Correction - the word NOT was missing from the second sentence of the third
>paragragraph which should read:
>. In view of the significance of developers to the
>> needs of the DV-L cummunity I do NOT feel it right to close discussions as
>> quickly as happened in this case.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: " Vizion Communication"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:09 AM
>Subject: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
>
>
>> What principals govern thread closure? I hate to be critical but I feel
>some
>> analysis of the principles is needed.
>>
>> I feel that the rules should be the same for discussions about all
>> manufacturers and suppliers. There has been plenty of past discussion
>about
>> other manufacturers/suppliers in the past. Quite a few members of this
>list
>> are past/present employees of Adobe and it is therefore particularly
>> important that special considerations should not be seen apply here.
>>
>> To put it simply it seems to me that the dicussion on Adobe was
>> closed rather abruptly. In view of the significance of developers to the
>> needs of the DV-L cummunity I do feel it right to close discussions as
>> quickly as happened in this case. I feel it favors developer interest at
>the
>> expense of community interest.
>>
>> At this point I accept that BS has the authority to close a thread -- but
>> the most recent thread closure seemed to me, to have occured before time.
>I
>> have received emails direct which would ordinarily have gone to the list
>if
>> the closure had not, in my view, been premature.
>>
>> My comment "Case closed" was part of a dialogue. It was not meant that I
>> wanted to close the thread- if you thought that was what I meant then I
>feel
>> my posting was not read carefully.
>>
>> I was astonished to find out later that the thread had been closed.
>>
>> I ask that you reconsider the decision to close that thread - so the
>> discussion, which I had hopewd might bear positive fruit for all DV-Lers
>can
>> continue anabated..Please do not let this list suffer from loss of
>> reasonable free speech because a few abuse it from time to time.
>>
>> DE
>>
>>
>> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:06:17 +0800
From: "Brian Low"
To:
Subject: RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
Message-ID: <200104021706.AA3633120140@18all.com>
Sony sells 8mm rewinders for 8mm/Hi8/Digital8 camcorders, why not a mini-DV rewinder?
By the way, I'd like to buy a Sony ECM HS-1 zoom mike for my Sony D8 camcorder. Anyone used one before? What are the disadvantages of using one as opposed to the built-in mic?
I have noticed background whine of the motor during playback, especially when transferring to PC and the soundlevel is low when transferring to VHS, for example. Turn it up and the whirring of the motor becomes apparent.
Brian Low
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Randy Quimpo
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:12:06 +0800
>I asked this same question over a year ago, and received lots of replies -
>most of them "I don't know" or "I've never seen one", with the helpful ones
>being "buy a used camera and use that for rewinding". Some even said that
>its okay to use your camera for rewinding (My TRV900 has chewed up some of
>my tapes thanks to this idea).
>
>Seems like the definitive answer to this question is that there is no such
>animal, and that you must use your deck or camera to do this. Since people
>DO look for a product like this, I have tried to get some manufacturers in
>China interested in making one (which I planned to offer for sale), but I
>ran out of time and had to leave China without anything resolved.
>
>On the other hand, I will be the next in line if there IS such a device
>available .
>
>regards
>
>Randy Quimpo
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gordon [mailto:gordob@sunflower.com]
>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:54 PM
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Mini Dv Rewinder
>
>
>I too would like to know if this is available. And also a dv-cam tape
>rewinder. Thanks for any info. BTW, I have found sony mini-dv tape for
>very cheap at www.thetapeguys.com . Check them
>out. Thanks again.
>
>Gordon
>
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 05:09:51 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402050528.02d71020@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 03:09 AM 4/2/01 -0700, DE wrote:
>What principals govern thread closure? I hate to be critical but I feel some
>analysis of the principles is needed.
It's not. You have closed this thread yourself.
At 08:33 AM 3/31/01 +0200, I wrote:
>At 04:50 AM 3/31/01 -0800, DE wrote:
>
>>You have said it all
>
>At 12:01 PM 3/31/01 -0800, Mike wrote:
>> I cannot add anything further to this thread.
And because this thread didn't go anywhere (except to Epson service), I
closed it, due to popular demand. And now, please, the thread is closed.
BS
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:14:41 -0700
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Message-ID: <002701c0bb66$1dbb5b10$3946989e@VIZION2000>
I find this troubling --
I expect to find that BS was well intentioned and did not realise how the
abrupt closure would be perceived --
I have had quite a few comments by private mail as well so it seems that
many people feel the same. Hopefully the principle that this list is open to
reasonable discussion of the performance of any developer/manufacture,
without fear or favor, will be confirmed by BS when he gets a chance to read
this thread.
In the meantime I feel his decision should be respected until he gets a
chance to review it.
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Low"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
> Neither do I. I had stated that customer service is also an important
element of a business and companies like Epson (in my case) or Adobe (in the
original thread) were doing their customers a dis-service. I was warned
against continuing such comments.
>
> I was also taken off the list when I replied without knowing the thread
had been closed. (There are so many e-mails of so many discussions that I
read the original to the latest reply, so I may miss the announcement of the
thread closing.)
>
> I'm back on the list now after re-subscribing.
>
>
> Brian L.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: " Vizion Communication"
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 03:50:13 -0700
>
> >Correction - the word NOT was missing from the second sentence of the
third
> >paragragraph which should read:
> >. In view of the significance of developers to the
> >> needs of the DV-L cummunity I do NOT feel it right to close discussions
as
> >> quickly as happened in this case.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: " Vizion Communication"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:09 AM
> >Subject: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
> >
> >
> >> What principals govern thread closure? I hate to be critical but I feel
> >some
> >> analysis of the principles is needed.
> >>
> >> I feel that the rules should be the same for discussions about all
> >> manufacturers and suppliers. There has been plenty of past discussion
> >about
> >> other manufacturers/suppliers in the past. Quite a few members of this
> >list
> >> are past/present employees of Adobe and it is therefore particularly
> >> important that special considerations should not be seen apply here.
> >>
> >> To put it simply it seems to me that the dicussion on Adobe was
> >> closed rather abruptly. In view of the significance of developers to
the
> >> needs of the DV-L cummunity I do feel it right to close discussions as
> >> quickly as happened in this case. I feel it favors developer interest
at
> >the
> >> expense of community interest.
> >>
> >> At this point I accept that BS has the authority to close a thread --
but
> >> the most recent thread closure seemed to me, to have occured before
time.
> >I
> >> have received emails direct which would ordinarily have gone to the
list
> >if
> >> the closure had not, in my view, been premature.
> >>
> >> My comment "Case closed" was part of a dialogue. It was not meant that
I
> >> wanted to close the thread- if you thought that was what I meant then I
> >feel
> >> my posting was not read carefully.
> >>
> >> I was astonished to find out later that the thread had been closed.
> >>
> >> I ask that you reconsider the decision to close that thread - so the
> >> discussion, which I had hopewd might bear positive fruit for all
DV-Lers
> >can
> >> continue anabated..Please do not let this list suffer from loss of
> >> reasonable free speech because a few abuse it from time to time.
> >>
> >> DE
> >>
> >>
> >> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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> >
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:20:20 -0700
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Message-ID: <002e01c0bb66$e7592010$3946989e@VIZION2000>
If you had read my comments you would have seen I did not close the
thread --
I would not, as a list member, presume that I had the right to close a
thread -- that is your responsibility and yours alone.
As you acted on a false premise then the appropriate action is to
reconsider. I have also received emails from many others who were interested
in the discussion and did not wish it to be closed so there is a conflict
about what and what is not popular demand.
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertel Schmitt"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
> At 03:09 AM 4/2/01 -0700, DE wrote:
> >What principals govern thread closure? I hate to be critical but I feel
some
> >analysis of the principles is needed.
>
>
> It's not. You have closed this thread yourself.
>
> At 08:33 AM 3/31/01 +0200, I wrote:
> >At 04:50 AM 3/31/01 -0800, DE wrote:
> >
> >>You have said it all
> >
> >At 12:01 PM 3/31/01 -0800, Mike wrote:
> >> I cannot add anything further to this thread.
>
>
> And because this thread didn't go anywhere (except to Epson service), I
> closed it, due to popular demand. And now, please, the thread is closed.
>
> BS
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:38:06 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
Message-ID:
Yeah, why not indeed? I don't know if we will ever get a bright answer on
this one that goes beyond the realm of wild conjecture.
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Low [mailto:low.brian@18all.com]
Subject: RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
Sony sells 8mm rewinders for 8mm/Hi8/Digital8 camcorders, why not a mini-DV
rewinder?
Brian Low
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:52:24 -0700
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Discussions relating to specific manufacturers/developers
Message-ID: <006801c0bb6b$628bae70$3946989e@VIZION2000>
>
> I was also taken off the list when I replied without knowing the thread
had been closed.
This does happen -- My normal practice (because I travel so much) is to
download-- do my contributions off-line and then I send those contributions
when I login for my next download. This means I have sometimes replied when
threads have been closed. I got ticked off once and told Bertie what had
happened. I think BS has got to know my pattern and so far I have avoided
excommunication!!! I think that he realises that a time has to be given for
people to get to a know a thread has been closed..
However I guess sometimes he just gets plain irritated at having to watch
the list so carefully.. I think anyone might over-react occasionally in
those cicumstances - after all we are all human (I hope).
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:01:00 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402051304.03ed92c0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:01 PM 4/2/01 +0800, Brian wrote:
>I had stated that customer service is also an important element of a
>business and companies like Epson (in my case) or Adobe (in the original
>thread) were doing their customers a dis-service. I was warned against
>continuing such comments.
This is total nonsense. You weren't warned against continuing such
comments. This list has a running record, accessible to all:
At 03:13 PM 4/1/01 -0400, I wrote:
>At 04:23 PM 3/31/01 +0800, Brian wrote:
>>Sounds just like Epson in my country too! Their products may be good but
>>their customer service just plain sucks!
If you want to complain about Epson, please open another thread. Please be
aware that this is a DV & 1394 list.
BS <
That's what I said. Also:
>I was also taken off the list when I replied without knowing the thread
had been closed. (There are so many e-mails of so many discussions that I
read the original to the latest reply, so I may miss the announcement of
the thread closing.)<
This thread was closed twice and it is closed again. It is amazing how
people's eyesight suddenly fails ...
BS
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:04:01 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Last warning
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402060129.03dd0200@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 04:52 AM 4/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I think anyone might over-react occasionally in
>those cicumstances - after all we are all human (I hope).
I don't need this sanctimonious bullshit. Now stop hogging the list already.
Or start your own.
BS
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:38:27 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: NOTAC: List goes to "subscription moderated"
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402063650.01b31720@mail.dvcentral.org>
Notice To All Correspondents:
Due to recent developments, the list has gone to "subscription moderated"
status for the time being.
This means that subscriptions (including re-subscriptions from people who
were banned) will have to be approved by list management. This aggravates
both subscribers and list managers. New subscribers will have to wait until
list managers find the time to go through the applications. List managers
will have to find the time to go through the applications. I was hoping it
would not come to that.
And I will take a few days off from list managing.
BS.
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 07:21:49 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: HS-1 (was Mini Dv Rewinder)
Message-ID: <3AC87CED.3D3FB434@adent.com>
I got the ECM HS-1 mic for my PC100. It sounds okay, pretty good presence for a $70 mic. I found the zoom feature unuseable and leave the mic set to gun when I'm using it. Seems the "zoom" is a mix of the built-in and the
shotgun that is supposed to step to the shotgun as you zoom in with the lens. Decent theory I guess, but the effect was very abrupt and I really didn't like it at all. The HS-l is a hot shoe device, so don't plan on any
hot shoe mounted lights when you are using the mic.
I wonder how much the AGC is contributing to the motor noise? I've posted a couple of times about how to defeat the AGC on my PC100 and have not gotten a single response, so I assume the AGC is a fact of life on my PC100.
mhood
Brian Low wrote:
> By the way, I'd like to buy a Sony ECM HS-1 zoom mike for my Sony D8 camcorder. Anyone used one before? What are the disadvantages of using one as opposed to the built-in mic?
>
> I have noticed background whine of the motor during playback, especially when transferring to PC and the soundlevel is low when transferring to VHS, for example. Turn it up and the whirring of the motor becomes apparent.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:42:42 -0400
From: "Henderson, John"
To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'"
Subject: Re: Re: Matrox G450 Dual Head TV Out - NG
Message-ID: <193023817A4CD411B4410090279279BE015A3004@exchange03.chubb.com>
Darryl wrote in response to trying to get clear S-Video capture of a PC
desktop:
"The only solution may be to get a scan concertor that allows you to zoom
into a 1/4 screen area of the desktop."
John writes:
Actually, the Matrox G450 does have the ability to select a portion of the
PC screen (e.g. 1/4 of it) and zoom in on it in real time. The zoomed
portion of the screen then follows your mouse. While this does add to the
clarity, it can also make you dizzy. If things were carefully scripted and
the PC user was sensitive to this capture then I could see it working.
Unfortunately, my goal (i.e. Holy Grail) is to be able to capture an
instructors natural presentation in class without imposing any restrictions.
(Yes, I know I'm dreaming at this point).
john
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 16:14:54 -0700
From: Denise Ohio
To:
Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010401155829.00a05ed0@pop.greenapple.com>
Alexei,
Have you looked at the Roland UA-30 USB PC device? Onboard A/D converter at
20-bit/48kHz, sends it right over USB. Snazzy. Draws power from the
computer. About $300, as I recall. I hook up my 4073 short shotgun or one
of my lavs into my Behringer 1604, send stereo out through the AUX to the
UA-30's stereo ins. Can handle mic or line level. I use Cool Edit to
capture, though it doesn't have a 20-bit/48kHz setting---I set it at
32-bit, which eats a lot of disk space. Still, you can capture at
16-bit/48kHz stereo and drop it into your editor easily.
The UA-30 has separate gain controls for in and headphone volume so you can
monitor what's going to disk. Very easy to use, lightweight (I used in on
location last week), and audio quality is quite nice. Roland has another
product out with a higher sample rate, but its a bit more expensive and
naturally, I can't remember the model number. You'll find it on www.edirol.com.
$300 for UA-30, $300 for the mixer, $100 for Cool Edit, another $50 for
spit screen and cable.
I'm looking for a voiceover microphone as well. I know I want something
that starts with "N"and ends with "eumann," but I'll probably get something
that starts with "Audio" and ends with "Technica." As long as it doesn't
start with "Radio" and end with "Shack"...
Ohio
At 12:41 AM 4/1/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:18:59 -0800
>From: Alexei Gerulaitis
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
>Message-ID: <002701c0ba6b$434f9590$7201a8c0@sherlock>
>
>Calling Audio Professionals!
>
>Affordable yet forward-looking voice over gear for recording directly
>into the computer? This is a purely corporate setup (see the
>backgrounder below), so near-field monitors, $3K mikes and $10K mixers
>aren't in the picture.
>
>Scenarios I came up with:
>1. El Cheapo: Sound Blaster 128, $5 mic. Not worthy of the GY-DV500 pic
>quality so probably not.
>2. LynxOne card, Mackie 1202 mixer, Shure SM-57. Fits under $1K,
>probably the most common solution.
>3. LynxOne card, Fostex VM-04 digital mixer, Shure SM-57 mic. This is
>even cheaper (VM-04 is under $300), and sounds forward-looking to me
>(it's digital and it's 2001, hello?), although a 44.1KHz max. sampling
>rate on VM-04 does not sound too good to me.
>4. A decent quality Mic with a USB connector and an applet allowing you
>to watch and adjust meters and maybe even some EQ. E.g. Altec Lansing
>AIM-4040, $49.95, but its frequency response is really bad, something
>like 700-3000Hz.
>
>Which one would you pick and why? Any suggestions? Possibly not
>LynxOne (too much, too expensive) - then what? Thank you!
>
>The (4) looks really good from the technological point of view. Sample
>at 24/192 right in the mic, USB it to the 'puter, resample and do the
>rest in "post". Cheap, very 2001 but probably does not exist yet.
>
>Links:
>
>'http://www.alteclansing.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrf
>nbr=47007&prmenbr=9490&from='
>http://www.fostex.co.jp/int/pages/products/mix_effect/vm04.htm
>http://dv411.com/lyndigaudcar.html
>
>Backgrounder:
>
>City of Santa Monica is doing some road surface monitoring (a very
>honorable task if you ask me) using a GY-DV500U camcorder and an RT2000
>system.
>
>The editing the footage down, add narration/comments and present it to
>the City Council, and whoever else is interested.
>
>Currently, they use Shure SM-57 connected to the GY-DV500, record the
>narration to a DV tape, capture it over to the RT2000 machine, resample
>it in Sound Forge and put it all together in Premiere.
>
>Cumbersome at the very least and they are in search of a better
>solution.
>
>TIA.
>
>Best,
>Alexei, http://dv411.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:19:38 -0700
From: Todd Knowles
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: EPSON service
Message-ID: <3AC8A693.F08106CF@doitnow.com>
Wildly off-topic, I know- but. . . .
I would rate Epson tech support as one of the best. A shining example for the
rest of the industry-
no time on hold
tech has never given up, always friendly
replacement product shipped overnight, very few questions asked
Sorry, just had to weigh in on Epson's side.
Todd Knowles
Brian Low wrote:
>
> Sorry, merely stating about how some companies can be so big but so poor in customer relations.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:54:04 -0400
From: Robert E Lamm
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Scan Do?
Message-ID:
The real problem with cheapie scan converters is that the electronics
aren't very clean: The various circuits in the unit leak noise into each
other, which appears as a light coating of grain over the picture.
The Scan-Do is nice. We also sell a very nice one from Focal Enhancements
called the HyperConverter. Info is on our web site at www.cync.com. We
also sell the Scan-Do, although that isn't featured on our web site.
You should be warned: The pictures coming out of any scan converter will
not be as nice as the original VGA signal. Part of the problem is the
lower resolution of NTSC. If you go to composite or Y/C you will also have
to deal with the low bandwidth of these formats' color subcarrier
channels, which will make saturated colors seem unsharp and lacking in
detail. You can sorta get around this by going directly to component, but
you'll just get caught later on when your final tapes are distributed in
VHS: A composite format.
The solution: Use scan-converter models that allow you to zoom into the
image to enlarge it and design your graphics for TV: Thick, heavy fonts,
no small mouse-type lettering. And graphics with enough grey-scale
separation so that the color isn't fundamental to carrying the detail.
-Bob Lamm
CYNC Corp.
Video/Multimedia Equipment Dealership
Brookline, MA
USA-617-277-4317
www.cync.com
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Charos wrote:
> Your question is a great one. Having used consumer
> level converters for years, of various makes and
> models... they all stink.
>=20
> I watch the computer graphics come out of the
> commercial station down the road and they look just
> fantastic.
>=20
> Certainly, the ScanDo is a step up from what I am used
> to. The web site=20
>=20
> http://www.scandoselect.com/products.htm#scanconverter
>=20
> talks about about basic problem with consumer models:
>=20
> <<
> One of the most common ways a scan converter might
> violate the NTSC standard is by not locking the colors
> in sync with the brightness portion of the TV image.
> This is called unlocking the color subcarrier and will
> make the colors on the TV appear to wave or =93swim,=94
> even on a consumer TV.=20
> >>
>=20
> This is definitely a problem with all of my computer
> video, and I too am looking for something better. I
> wonder how I can tell if this unit makes enough
> difference to be worth the price... without shelling
> out the bucks necessary to do the comparison.
>=20
> Good luck with your search!
>=20
> - Bill Carpenter
>=20
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:59:50 -0700
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402105601.024f2ad0@mail.3forces.com>
Fwiw,
I did a VO job for our company recently. You can download a 300kb MP3 here
www.aaaza.com/demo/aaaza.mp3
I used the sound card in my computer--an SB16 clone, a $30 handheld mic,
and a $15 pop screen with a broken mount. Had to hold the screen in one hand,
and the mic in the other--we didn't have mic stands.
Recorded everything using Sound Forge, normalized and compressed them.
Then edited music and clips together using Premiere 6.
Output to an analog cassette tape which our Bogen Digital Music on Hold
recorder
needed.
Turned out pretty good using minimal tools.
Richard Lin
Managing Director, AAAZa
At 09:18 PM 3/31/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Calling Audio Professionals!
>
>Affordable yet forward-looking voice over gear for recording directly
>into the computer? This is a purely corporate setup (see the
>backgrounder below), so near-field monitors, $3K mikes and $10K mixers
>aren't in the picture.
>
>Scenarios I came up with:
>1. El Cheapo: Sound Blaster 128, $5 mic. Not worthy of the GY-DV500 pic
>quality so probably not.
>2. LynxOne card, Mackie 1202 mixer, Shure SM-57. Fits under $1K,
>probably the most common solution.
>3. LynxOne card, Fostex VM-04 digital mixer, Shure SM-57 mic. This is
>even cheaper (VM-04 is under $300), and sounds forward-looking to me
>(it's digital and it's 2001, hello?), although a 44.1KHz max. sampling
>rate on VM-04 does not sound too good to me.
>4. A decent quality Mic with a USB connector and an applet allowing you
>to watch and adjust meters and maybe even some EQ. E.g. Altec Lansing
>AIM-4040, $49.95, but its frequency response is really bad, something
>like 700-3000Hz.
>
>Which one would you pick and why? Any suggestions? Possibly not
>LynxOne (too much, too expensive) - then what? Thank you!
>
>The (4) looks really good from the technological point of view. Sample
>at 24/192 right in the mic, USB it to the 'puter, resample and do the
>rest in "post". Cheap, very 2001 but probably does not exist yet.
>
>Links:
>
>'http://www.alteclansing.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrf
>nbr=47007&prmenbr=9490&from='
>http://www.fostex.co.jp/int/pages/products/mix_effect/vm04.htm
>http://dv411.com/lyndigaudcar.html
>
>Backgrounder:
>
>City of Santa Monica is doing some road surface monitoring (a very
>honorable task if you ask me) using a GY-DV500U camcorder and an RT2000
>system.
>
>The editing the footage down, add narration/comments and present it to
>the City Council, and whoever else is interested.
>
>Currently, they use Shure SM-57 connected to the GY-DV500, record the
>narration to a DV tape, capture it over to the RT2000 machine, resample
>it in Sound Forge and put it all together in Premiere.
>
>Cumbersome at the very least and they are in search of a better
>solution.
>
>TIA.
>
>Best,
>Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:14:31 -0400
From: Robert E Lamm
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Two Programs: After Effects and VJam
Message-ID:
Haven't heard of VJam, but we carry After Effects. You might also want to
check into Eyeon Digital Fusion and Discreet Combustion.
Digital Fusion uses a flow-type model where you pipe one image into one
effect after another sort of like a flowchart. It allows for easier
tweaking and adjustments of complicated effects than the layer-based
systems do.
Discreet Combustion is a subset of the Discreet Flame-type systems that
high-end facilities use. The user-interface is professionally oriented,
it's highly optimized.
But both of these are more expensive than After Effects. Details at our
www.cync.com website...
-Bob Lamm
CYNC Corp.
Video/Multimedia Equipment Dealership
Brookline, MA
USA-617-277-4317
www.cync.com
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Jesse Brede wrote:
> Has anyone here heard of VJam and know where i can get it. Same for After
> Effects but a little less obscure. Thanks
> jesse
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Low"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Is this true about Premiere 6??
>
>
> > OK, but as I said, "...in my country..."
> >
> > America is the capitol of customer service and consumer rights! What a
> country!
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From:
> > Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:41:00 -0400
> >
> > >>Sounds just like Epson in my country too! Their products may be good but
> > >>their customer service just plain sucks!
> > >
> > >Sorry to disagree, but when my Epson 850 went down,
> > >(the warrenty had run out by 3 weeks) I called Epson
> > >and THE NEXT MORNING I had a brand
> > >new printer sitting at my door for "free."
> > >I had to provide a CC number, thereby insuring that I would
> > >return the broken one. I thought that reasonable,
> > >and I was happy that they went beyond their coverage.
> > >
> > >jmerser
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:37:04 -0400
From: Robert E Lamm
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: bluescreen in premiere5.1
Message-ID:
Actually, you can use any color that you want as long as there's a big
difference between it and whatever you plan on shooting in front of it.
The common colors are blue and green, mostly because few people come in
these shades. The most important thing is to light the background evenly
so that you don't have to set too wide a range of acceptable key color-
this will reduce the sharpness of your keys. It's also important that you
use a high-quality camera when capturing the scene- a 3-chipper will do
better than a 1-chip cheapie: That way you'll get sharpness in the
all-important color channel and minimize noise that might make the key
'sizzle'.
If you use one of the linear chromakeys, such as the Ultimatte plugin,
you'll be able to capture shadows: These will be remapped on the new image
that replaces the chromakey screen. It makes for a lot more realism. But
then it's important to use a color that is very distinctive even when
it's shadowed. The standards are 'Ultimatte Blue' and 'Ultimatte
Green'. These have been especially formulated to reflect a narrower range
of colors than most chromakey paints.
These aren't absolute requirements, but the general guidelines should
always be to shoot well-lit (noise free) scenes with sharp and distinctive
colors.
If in doubt, experiment a little with a little bit of tabletop
magic. You'll soon get a feeling for it.
-Bob Lamm
CYNC Corp.
Video/Multimedia Equipment Dealership
Brookline, MA
USA-617-277-4317
www.cync.com
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, tracy day wrote:
> does anyone know if i have to use a certain type or color of blue when
> shooting to match the bluescreen filter in premiere? thanks in advance
> t.
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:31:41 -0700
From: Alexei Gerulaitis
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <006601c0bbab$8d621130$7201a8c0@sherlock>
Richard,
Thank you! Definitely affordable. Forward looking? :-)
A.
: I used the sound card in my computer--an SB16 clone, a $30
: handheld mic,
: and a $15 pop screen with a broken mount. Had to hold the
: screen in one hand,
: and the mic in the other--we didn't have mic stands.
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:46:34 -0700
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402124320.00aa0800@mail.3forces.com>
:-)
Oh yeah, forgot to say that I used a free WAV to MP3 converter I found on
the web.
You can easily find it at www.editTRAIN.com and type in MP3 in the search box.
So how does one defined "forward looking"? As in thinking forward towards
the future?
Richard
At 12:31 PM 4/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Thank you! Definitely affordable. Forward looking? :-)
>
>A.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:54:26 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <003101c0bbae$e26d6e60$6401a8c0@design1>
You don't need too much to make good sounding telephone quality since it's
limited to 300-3000 Hz by design. If you want rich full stereo or better
you'll have to start with a better source. You can easily here the
difference by listening to the ads on TV. There's a great variation
depending on who, when, and how the audio was produced. Just listen to some
of the old commercials on TVLand and it's amazing how little effort was put
into the sound. Records from that time were far better by comparison.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lin"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
> Fwiw,
>
> I did a VO job for our company recently. You can download a 300kb MP3
here
> www.aaaza.com/demo/aaaza.mp3
>
> I used the sound card in my computer--an SB16 clone, a $30 handheld mic,
> and a $15 pop screen with a broken mount. Had to hold the screen in one
hand,
> and the mic in the other--we didn't have mic stands.
>
> Recorded everything using Sound Forge, normalized and compressed them.
> Then edited music and clips together using Premiere 6.
>
> Output to an analog cassette tape which our Bogen Digital Music on Hold
> recorder
> needed.
>
> Turned out pretty good using minimal tools.
>
> Richard Lin
> Managing Director, AAAZa
>
>
> At 09:18 PM 3/31/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >Calling Audio Professionals!
> >
> >Affordable yet forward-looking voice over gear for recording directly
> >into the computer? This is a purely corporate setup (see the
> >backgrounder below), so near-field monitors, $3K mikes and $10K mixers
> >aren't in the picture.
> >
> >Scenarios I came up with:
> >1. El Cheapo: Sound Blaster 128, $5 mic. Not worthy of the GY-DV500 pic
> >quality so probably not.
> >2. LynxOne card, Mackie 1202 mixer, Shure SM-57. Fits under $1K,
> >probably the most common solution.
> >3. LynxOne card, Fostex VM-04 digital mixer, Shure SM-57 mic. This is
> >even cheaper (VM-04 is under $300), and sounds forward-looking to me
> >(it's digital and it's 2001, hello?), although a 44.1KHz max. sampling
> >rate on VM-04 does not sound too good to me.
> >4. A decent quality Mic with a USB connector and an applet allowing you
> >to watch and adjust meters and maybe even some EQ. E.g. Altec Lansing
> >AIM-4040, $49.95, but its frequency response is really bad, something
> >like 700-3000Hz.
> >
> >Which one would you pick and why? Any suggestions? Possibly not
> >LynxOne (too much, too expensive) - then what? Thank you!
> >
> >The (4) looks really good from the technological point of view. Sample
> >at 24/192 right in the mic, USB it to the 'puter, resample and do the
> >rest in "post". Cheap, very 2001 but probably does not exist yet.
> >
> >Links:
> >
> >'http://www.alteclansing.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrf
> >nbr=47007&prmenbr=9490&from='
> >http://www.fostex.co.jp/int/pages/products/mix_effect/vm04.htm
> >http://dv411.com/lyndigaudcar.html
> >
> >Backgrounder:
> >
> >City of Santa Monica is doing some road surface monitoring (a very
> >honorable task if you ask me) using a GY-DV500U camcorder and an RT2000
> >system.
> >
> >The editing the footage down, add narration/comments and present it to
> >the City Council, and whoever else is interested.
> >
> >Currently, they use Shure SM-57 connected to the GY-DV500, record the
> >narration to a DV tape, capture it over to the RT2000 machine, resample
> >it in Sound Forge and put it all together in Premiere.
> >
> >Cumbersome at the very least and they are in search of a better
> >solution.
> >
> >TIA.
> >
> >Best,
> >Alexei, http://dv411.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:14:35 -0700
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402131010.04c86240@mail.3forces.com>
true--but the point was that Alexei wanted advice on how to
record decent sounding audio on a budget, and he didnt' think that
using a low end mic with a soundblaster would match the picture quality
of the DV500--so I wanted to show him what it COULD sound like.
I normally use high end equipment for my productions, but in this situation,
I didn't have them accessible, and I was pleasantly surprised by the results.
Did you download the MP3? I think it sounds great for what it is. As for
getting better quality? There's no doubt that a $1500 mic, a sound booth,
a great tube amp, and a nice 24bit audio card could do wonders--however,
that's not what Alexei was asking for.
Richard Lin
At 03:54 PM 4/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
>You don't need too much to make good sounding telephone quality since it's
>limited to 300-3000 Hz by design. If you want rich full stereo or better
>you'll have to start with a better source. You can easily here the
>difference by listening to the ads on TV. There's a great variation
>depending on who, when, and how the audio was produced. Just listen to some
>of the old commercials on TVLand and it's amazing how little effort was put
>into the sound. Records from that time were far better by comparison.
>
>Walt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Lin"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
>
>
> > Fwiw,
> >
> > I did a VO job for our company recently. You can download a 300kb MP3
>here
> > www.aaaza.com/demo/aaaza.mp3
> >
> > I used the sound card in my computer--an SB16 clone, a $30 handheld mic,
> > and a $15 pop screen with a broken mount. Had to hold the screen in one
>hand,
> > and the mic in the other--we didn't have mic stands.
> >
> > Recorded everything using Sound Forge, normalized and compressed them.
> > Then edited music and clips together using Premiere 6.
> >
> > Output to an analog cassette tape which our Bogen Digital Music on Hold
> > recorder
> > needed.
> >
> > Turned out pretty good using minimal tools.
> >
> > Richard Lin
> > Managing Director, AAAZa
> >
> >
> > At 09:18 PM 3/31/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Calling Audio Professionals!
> > >
> > >Affordable yet forward-looking voice over gear for recording directly
> > >into the computer? This is a purely corporate setup (see the
> > >backgrounder below), so near-field monitors, $3K mikes and $10K mixers
> > >aren't in the picture.
> > >
> > >Scenarios I came up with:
> > >1. El Cheapo: Sound Blaster 128, $5 mic. Not worthy of the GY-DV500 pic
> > >quality so probably not.
> > >2. LynxOne card, Mackie 1202 mixer, Shure SM-57. Fits under $1K,
> > >probably the most common solution.
> > >3. LynxOne card, Fostex VM-04 digital mixer, Shure SM-57 mic. This is
> > >even cheaper (VM-04 is under $300), and sounds forward-looking to me
> > >(it's digital and it's 2001, hello?), although a 44.1KHz max. sampling
> > >rate on VM-04 does not sound too good to me.
> > >4. A decent quality Mic with a USB connector and an applet allowing you
> > >to watch and adjust meters and maybe even some EQ. E.g. Altec Lansing
> > >AIM-4040, $49.95, but its frequency response is really bad, something
> > >like 700-3000Hz.
> > >
> > >Which one would you pick and why? Any suggestions? Possibly not
> > >LynxOne (too much, too expensive) - then what? Thank you!
> > >
> > >The (4) looks really good from the technological point of view. Sample
> > >at 24/192 right in the mic, USB it to the 'puter, resample and do the
> > >rest in "post". Cheap, very 2001 but probably does not exist yet.
> > >
> > >Links:
> > >
> > >'http://www.alteclansing.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrf
> > >nbr=47007&prmenbr=9490&from='
> > >http://www.fostex.co.jp/int/pages/products/mix_effect/vm04.htm
> > >http://dv411.com/lyndigaudcar.html
> > >
> > >Backgrounder:
> > >
> > >City of Santa Monica is doing some road surface monitoring (a very
> > >honorable task if you ask me) using a GY-DV500U camcorder and an RT2000
> > >system.
> > >
> > >The editing the footage down, add narration/comments and present it to
> > >the City Council, and whoever else is interested.
> > >
> > >Currently, they use Shure SM-57 connected to the GY-DV500, record the
> > >narration to a DV tape, capture it over to the RT2000 machine, resample
> > >it in Sound Forge and put it all together in Premiere.
> > >
> > >Cumbersome at the very least and they are in search of a better
> > >solution.
> > >
> > >TIA.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:35 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mini Dv Rewinder
Message-ID:
Hello: I agree with you. What I am doing is using an inexpensive min DV
camera with firewire. It is a JVC 300 and with extended warrenty it cost
about 600 dollars. I got this from B&H lin New York. This allows for non
professional use such as video for friends. I read today in Camcorder and
Computer Video May issue about the new Sanyo IDC-1000Z iDshot. What do you
think of this and have you or any one on DV-L had a chance to check it out.
Naturally, it is not where I would purchase yet except down the line when
the video time becomes at least an hour of possible use. Right now it could
be excellent for museum work for record keeping where both slide and video
need to be used so that it last a long time. Tughollow
> From: Randy Quimpo
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:38:06 +0800
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
>
>
> Yeah, why not indeed? I don't know if we will ever get a bright answer on
> this one that goes beyond the realm of wild conjecture.
>
> Randy Quimpo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Low [mailto:low.brian@18all.com]
> Subject: RE: Mini Dv Rewinder
>
>
> Sony sells 8mm rewinders for 8mm/Hi8/Digital8 camcorders, why not a mini-DV
> rewinder?
>
> Brian Low
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:40:00 EDT
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Corporate Voiceover in 2001/2002
Message-ID: <3a.13169937.27fa3da0@aol.com>
For voice at a semi-low cost and alot of versatility consider getting the
portable mini-disc from sony that has a PC interface, I think it is MZ-70RPC.
Costs $220 at my local electronics shop.
If you want web compatible on the future edge, how about saving the disc
space with a MP3 portable recorder. I haven't used one but I'm "looking
forward" to.
Luck to ya,
adr
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:40:38 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402182438.01b4bec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
As you know, the list had to go to "subscription moderated" because
banished members didn't get the message that they overstayed their welcome.
They simply resubscribed.
This means extra wait time for new subscribers and extra work for the list
managers. It also means answering irate messages from banished members who
still have not gotten the message, and who now inquire why they can't
simply come back in after having been thrown out. In the future, these
messages will be filed under "Asked and Answered" - the file with the trash
icon.
Alas, there is yet another side-effect: Unsubscriptions also have to be
moderated, i.e. unsubscribers will only be unsubscribed once a list manager
has approved the unsub. This is a feature of our knuckleheaded listserv. I
am not happy at all about this. As we all know, unsubscriptions are a
fragile part of DV-L and I wish there wouldn't be yet another complicating
factor.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:58:22 EDT
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Message-ID: <84.13ab47e4.27fa5e0e@aol.com>
from http://www.dvformat.com/2001/03_mar/news/kdsfirewire.htm
"...KDS' new editing kit package, which comes with a FireWire PCI interface
card, a complete line of software titles and FireWire cable, now makes
professional editing capabilities affordable for home users. Suggested retail
price is set for $49.99....
"...two external 1394 ports make it easy for hot-swap or plug and play
capabilities with any external FireWire device -- up to 63 FireWire devices
can be daisy chained. The PCI card is also FCC Part 15 and 68 and DOC
compliant.
"The software package includes five titles: Digital Origin's EditDV
Unplugged; TeVeo's VIDiO Clipstore; TeVeo Live; Terran's Media Cleaner; and
Digital Origin's EasyDV.
"Audio and video can be edited together or individually in real time. More
than 40 quality professional transitions ...."
Thought some might be interested.
adr
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:16:59 -0700
From: Jim Anderson
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Corporate Voiceover in 2001/2002
Message-ID: <3AC90865.8DE4867F@home.com>
ADReiff@aol.com wrote:
> For voice at a semi-low cost and alot of versatility consider getting the
> portable mini-disc from sony that has a PC interface, I think it is MZ-70RPC.
> Costs $220 at my local electronics shop.
I got an MZR70 a few months back and although I'm happy enough with the sound quality, the thing has a lot of mechanical noise that can easily be picked up by the mic in quiet (interview
type) situations. You can wrap it in foam and muffle it, but it's annoying. I got it primarily to record a feed off the main mixing board in (loud) club type shooting, and for that it's
fine.
I believe earlier Sony models are quieter.
bb
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:18:54 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Message-ID: <009401c0bbcb$5bd64c60$6401a8c0@design1>
But is it OHCI compliant? There doesn't seem to be any mention of that and
so future software compatibility may be an issue. I know the earlier Radius
boards, like everything else that came out early, were not OHCI compliant.
Saving money by buying last year's video board is not generally a wise
investment. It's hard to get more than a few years use out of even the newer
boards before they're replaced with something incompatible.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
> from http://www.dvformat.com/2001/03_mar/news/kdsfirewire.htm
>
> "...KDS' new editing kit package, which comes with a FireWire PCI
interface
> card, a complete line of software titles and FireWire cable, now makes
> professional editing capabilities affordable for home users. Suggested
retail
> price is set for $49.99....
>
> "...two external 1394 ports make it easy for hot-swap or plug and play
> capabilities with any external FireWire device -- up to 63 FireWire
devices
> can be daisy chained. The PCI card is also FCC Part 15 and 68 and DOC
> compliant.
>
> "The software package includes five titles: Digital Origin's EditDV
> Unplugged; TeVeo's VIDiO Clipstore; TeVeo Live; Terran's Media Cleaner;
and
> Digital Origin's EasyDV.
>
> "Audio and video can be edited together or individually in real time. More
> than 40 quality professional transitions ...."
>
> Thought some might be interested.
>
> adr
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:45:09 -0500
From: meijin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010402184509.00b40750@mail.vvm.com>
At 06:40 PM 4/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
>As you know, the list had to go to "subscription moderated" because
>banished members didn't get the message that they overstayed their welcome.
>They simply resubscribed.
>
>This means extra wait time for new subscribers and extra work for the list
>managers. It also means answering irate messages from banished members who
>still have not gotten the message, and who now inquire why they can't
>simply come back in after having been thrown out. In the future, these
>messages will be filed under "Asked and Answered" - the file with the trash
>icon.
>
BS:
After having run numerous lists with various different list management
software, maybe I could suggest something that you may have over looked.
Most software has a banned feature where you can add addresses to be
ignored by the auto subscription process. This way, you can keep people off
that you do not want back on and still not have to moderate the
applications for subscription. Not sure what software you are using for the
list, but that should be a feature of it.
Secondly, one thing I found handy for people that got out of line but did
not get too far out of line is to put them on read only "probationary"
status. Meaning, they still get email but cannot send any in to the list.
That coupled with a warning usually works for those bent out of shape or
that get caught up in the heat of a moment concerning a certain thread.
Once the period is over, they can come back on and then the next instance
(within a reasonable amount of time) they are gone for good.
Certainly the second option is open to the feelings of the various list
admins, but I would highly suspect that the banned option is there buried
somewhere in the features of the software. If not, might be time to migrate
to something more admin friendly.
Just a thought that I hope helps you out.
Regards,
David
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:11:26 -0700
From: "bill"
To:
Subject: RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <000101c0bbd2$a07b1100$6801a8c0@DJW4X501>
> So how does one defined "forward looking"? As in thinking
> forward towards
> the future?
Around here we generally use the phrase to refer to technologies that have
more capability than can be used at present, but that is expected to be
useful in the near or distant future.
-billb
Bill Bernat
Associate Technical Editor
Streaming Media, Inc.
(415) 593-7390 p
(415) 641-4445 f
"For those of us true believers in television on the Web, Streaming Media
Magazine is the bible." -- Sam Donaldson
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:10:12 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402200155.03d02040@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 06:45 PM 4/2/01 -0500, meijin wrote:
>Most software has a banned feature where you can add addresses to be
>ignored by the auto subscription process. This way, you can keep people off
>that you do not want back on and still not have to moderate the
>applications for subscription. Not sure what software you are using for the
>list, but that should be a feature of it.
I desperately wish we would have that, but we don't. We have
Post.Office v3.5.3 release 223, and it's very challenged in the feature dept.
That's one of the many reasons why we are moving to our own server with
our very own software. Progress is deliberate, but slow ("If it ain't
totally broke ...")
>Secondly, one thing I found handy for people that got out of line but did
>not get too far out of line is to put them on read only "probationary"
>status. Meaning, they still get email but cannot send any in to the list.
>That coupled with a warning usually works for those bent out of shape or
>that get caught up in the heat of a moment concerning a certain thread.
>Once the period is over, they can come back on and then the next instance
>(within a reasonable amount of time) they are gone for good.
Good thinking. This will be one of our upcoming features. The list will be
called "purgatory-L." Until its implementation, banished members can enjoy
the list traffic (free of their current input, but replete with their past
sins) at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
>Certainly the second option is open to the feelings of the various list
>admins, but I would highly suspect that the banned option is there buried
>somewhere in the features of the software. If not, might be time to migrate
>to something more admin friendly.
The former: It is not. The latter: It is. And thanks to the generous
contributions of our benefactors, we are migrating like a bunch of locusts.
Thanks for the hints.
BS
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:31:56 -0700
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402172914.04abe9f0@mail.3forces.com>
Got it :-)
Thanks Bill.
Richard
At 05:11 PM 4/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
> > So how does one defined "forward looking"? As in thinking
> > forward towards
> > the future?
>
>Around here we generally use the phrase to refer to technologies that have
>more capability than can be used at present, but that is expected to be
>useful in the near or distant future.
>
>-billb
>
>
>Bill Bernat
>Associate Technical Editor
>Streaming Media, Inc.
>(415) 593-7390 p
>(415) 641-4445 f
>
>"For those of us true believers in television on the Web, Streaming Media
>Magazine is the bible." -- Sam Donaldson
>
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>All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:47:22 EDT
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OCHI compliant $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Message-ID: <99.12ecd005.27fa779a@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/2/01 12:59:39 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, ADReiff@aol.com
writes:
<< http://www.dvformat.com/2001/03_mar/news/kdsfirewire.htm >>
Sorry wanted to save bandwidth with the url and synopsis. I want you all to
know I just noticed the press release, I think it's pricing is of interest, I
attach no expectations to the product.
walt wrote:
>But is it OHCI compliant?
The website sited above also contains the following language:
>"The FireWire PCI interface card is Mac and PC compatible, and works with
Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Canon and other digital video camcorders. The card,
which is an OHCI based IEEE 1394/FireWire design, enables data transfers up
to 400 Megabits per second, about 30 times faster than USB. In addition, two
external 1394 ports make it easy for hot-swap or plug and play capabilities
with any external FireWire device -- up to 63 FireWire devices can be daisy
chained. The PCI card is also FCC Part 15 and 68 and DOC compliant."
adr
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:50:14 -0400
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Two Programs: After Effects and VJam
Message-ID:
You can get the demo or purchase the full VJAMM app at...
http://www.ninjatune.net/vjamm/
DP
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:20:58 -0700
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Message-ID: <00aa01c0bbe4$bae3c200$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I had the same question.
----- Original Message -----
From: Walt
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
> But is it OHCI compliant? There doesn't seem to be any mention of that and
> so future software compatibility may be an issue. I know the earlier
Radius
> boards, like everything else that came out early, were not OHCI compliant.
> Saving money by buying last year's video board is not generally a wise
> investment. It's hard to get more than a few years use out of even the
newer
> boards before they're replaced with something incompatible.
>
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:58 PM
> Subject: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
>
>
> > from http://www.dvformat.com/2001/03_mar/news/kdsfirewire.htm
> >
> > "...KDS' new editing kit package, which comes with a FireWire PCI
> interface
> > card, a complete line of software titles and FireWire cable, now makes
> > professional editing capabilities affordable for home users. Suggested
> retail
> > price is set for $49.99....
> >
> > "...two external 1394 ports make it easy for hot-swap or plug and play
> > capabilities with any external FireWire device -- up to 63 FireWire
> devices
> > can be daisy chained. The PCI card is also FCC Part 15 and 68 and DOC
> > compliant.
> >
> > "The software package includes five titles: Digital Origin's EditDV
> > Unplugged; TeVeo's VIDiO Clipstore; TeVeo Live; Terran's Media Cleaner;
> and
> > Digital Origin's EasyDV.
> >
> > "Audio and video can be edited together or individually in real time.
More
> > than 40 quality professional transitions ...."
> >
> > Thought some might be interested.
> >
> > adr
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
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------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:49:36 -0400
From: Jeff Hamman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: NOTAC: Unfortunate side-effect of "subscription moderated"
Message-ID:
>Secondly, one thing I found handy for people that got out of line but did
>not get too far out of line is to put them on read only "probationary"
>status. Meaning, they still get email but cannot send any in to the list.
In a word... NOPOST status. I thought this was a feature of Listserv
software... but then again, they have so many versions with varying
limitations.
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:49:04 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: $49 Radius Firewire "Digital Editing Kit"
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010402224424.02af1ec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
> I know the earlier Radius boards, like everything else that came out
early, were not OHCI compliant. <
Well, the Adaptec silicon definitely wasn't OHCI compliant, and Adaptec had
most of the "early" market share. I believe one will be hard pressed to
find a non-OHCI chip these days, unless someone found a crate full of
antique chips in a landfill.
At $49, with a bunch of software, the product represents a very good value.
Boy, has this industry changed.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:01:13 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: dv quality
Message-ID:
Hi Dexter
The Avid that I worked on digitized only analog footage into what Avid
refers to as AVR75 or something like that (is it 3:1 compression?). This
sounds as if its better than DV but its actually not, IMHO. We shot footage
using a VX1000, then dubbed this to Betacam SP, which we then used for
digitizing on the Avid - this process ensured that what was digitized at
AVR75 was less than optimal video quality. The Avid then outputs everything
back to Betacam SP - now try re-digitizing THAT at AVR75 and its a total
mess (we do this all the time in the DV realm with no problems).
There IS an Avid that captures in DV format, but I have heard that it
actually uses a Raptor board, so what's the advantage in that?
The bottom line is that the Avid software been around for a long, long time
and has small refinements that make the life of editors easier. It is also
ahead when it comes to editing film projects, which I think the other
editing tools are just getting into.
But is the Avid better for us DV folk? Probably not - ask yourself why
you're shooting DV today and that's probably the same reason you're not
using an Avid (and can't see what the advantage in it is).
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Dexter C Andrada [mailto:dvworks@edsamail.com.ph]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:20 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: dv quality
Rev. John,
Then if that is the case then what else would make the Avid stuff different
from the DV tools that we use?
I know marketing, image, tradition, etc. counts. But I am more concerned
with the real stuff. Bits, bytes and the like.
Dexter
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:07:10 -0400
From: Robert E Lamm
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: dv quality
Message-ID:
Avid does make a DV editing product called DV-Express. And yes, it does
use the DV Raptor board, although the main thing they're selling is the
Avid UI.
Times have changed quite a bit: When we first started selling non-Avid
systems (primarily to film/video people who had not used computers
before), the biggest complaint was that the non-Avid UI's were too
computerese and ignored the traditional film/video production workflow.
Now we're selling systems primarily to people who want to add video
editing to their existing computer capabilities and the consistency with
how all the different editing, compositing and graphics applications
think is one of the strongest sales features. The Avid UI may be more
efficient for the power user, but few people spend enough time with these
systems to learn a unique way of thinking for each app.
Avids still hold sway in the professional environment, partially because
those folks are familiar with them and are reluctant to change. Also
because Avid has important productivity features like workgroup editing
nicely worked out. I would give the Avid design team and especially Curt
Rawley (the CEO during Avid's big growth phase) kudos for insisting that
the designers actually follow the video production process and design an
application that emulates what the user is actually doing down to the
user's terminology. You wouldn't believe how resistant programmers are to
this type of approach: They like to think of all software as the
manipulation of data structures and that the user should learn computerese
rather than the other way around. This one management decision: Putting
users in charge of the design process, is why the company became dominant
and is still around today.
Analog video isn't dead yet: It offers a certain non-digital transparency
that effects houses and some program producers want. But I do expect
formats like Beta SP even Digital Betacam to become legacy formats as
their users move up to HD-capable systems over the long term.
-Bob Lamm
CYNC Corp.
Video/Multimedia Equipment Dealership
Brookline, MA
USA-617-277-4317
www.cync.com
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Randy Quimpo wrote:
>
> Hi Dexter
>
> The Avid that I worked on digitized only analog footage into what Avid
> refers to as AVR75 or something like that (is it 3:1 compression?). This
> sounds as if its better than DV but its actually not, IMHO. We shot footage
> using a VX1000, then dubbed this to Betacam SP, which we then used for
> digitizing on the Avid - this process ensured that what was digitized at
> AVR75 was less than optimal video quality. The Avid then outputs everything
> back to Betacam SP - now try re-digitizing THAT at AVR75 and its a total
> mess (we do this all the time in the DV realm with no problems).
>
> There IS an Avid that captures in DV format, but I have heard that it
> actually uses a Raptor board, so what's the advantage in that?
>
> The bottom line is that the Avid software been around for a long, long time
> and has small refinements that make the life of editors easier. It is also
> ahead when it comes to editing film projects, which I think the other
> editing tools are just getting into.
>
> But is the Avid better for us DV folk? Probably not - ask yourself why
> you're shooting DV today and that's probably the same reason you're not
> using an Avid (and can't see what the advantage in it is).
>
> Randy Quimpo
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dexter C Andrada [mailto:dvworks@edsamail.com.ph]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:20 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: dv quality
>
>
> Rev. John,
>
> Then if that is the case then what else would make the Avid stuff different
> from the DV tools that we use?
>
>
> I know marketing, image, tradition, etc. counts. But I am more concerned
> with the real stuff. Bits, bytes and the like.
>
>
> Dexter
>
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:08:30 -0500
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: dv quality
Message-ID: <3AC7FB3E.5F2A9262@sympatico.ca>
Randy Quimpo wrote:
> Hi Dexter
>
> The Avid that I worked on digitized only analog footage into what Avid
> refers to as AVR75 or something like that (is it 3:1 compression?). This
> sounds as if its better than DV but its actually not, IMHO. We shot footage
> using a VX1000, then dubbed this to Betacam SP, which we then used for
> digitizing on the Avid - this process ensured that what was digitized at
> AVR75 was less than optimal video quality. The Avid then outputs everything
> back to Betacam SP - now try re-digitizing THAT at AVR75 and its a total
> mess (we do this all the time in the DV realm with no problems).
>
> There IS an Avid that captures in DV format, but I have heard that it
> actually uses a Raptor board, so what's the advantage in that?
>
> The bottom line is that the Avid software been around for a long, long time
> and has small refinements that make the life of editors easier. It is also
> ahead when it comes to editing film projects, which I think the other
> editing tools are just getting into.
>
> But is the Avid better for us DV folk? Probably not - ask yourself why
> you're shooting DV today and that's probably the same reason you're not
> using an Avid (and can't see what the advantage in it is).
I think you're being a tad simplistic. No NLE system will be better than the weakest link in the chain. The Avid system you've described was obviously planned for BetaSP, and not for
anything digital.
The *real* problem with the configuration you described is that digital video was converted to an analog format, then re-digitized for the Avid, then printed back to analog (BetaSP) and
*then* copied to DV. AVR-75 is high resolution, high color sampling and moderate compression. With a proper serial digital input from an industrial DVCAM or DVCPro deck, the worst it can
do to footage from a VX1000 is perhaps introduce very minor concatenation (sp?) errors -- which are negligible compared with what a DV/BetaSP/Avid/BetaSP(again) and eventually-back-to-DV
merry-go-round will do.
If you intend to use _ANY_ digital format (not just DV and its industrial counterparts) you will experience major deterioration if you don't keep everything in the digital domain.
I use Avid Xpress (Deluxe Bundle) with a Sony DSR-80 deck and SDI (ie, all digital) and the results, at best, are spectacular. Of course, this is a fairly expensive setup. My
understanding (check out www.avid.com for up-to-date details) of Avid Xpress for DV is that it uses firewire I/O (which, for reasons I won't get into just now, some people prefer anyway to
SDI), and should certainly be a lot better than feeding everything through BetaSP. I understand it's one of Avid's less pricey systems and, if you expect to work only with DV for a long
time it should be very satisfactory. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't think it can be upgraded for use with DigiBeta, DVCPro or D9.
Even if your clients want a final master on BetaSP (and I'm well aware many still do), if your source video is digital, ALL editing and dubbing should be done in the digital domain. Then,
you can make a copy to BetaSP, using component I/O, and degradation should be minimal.
And yes..., the Avid software is astounding, though it's not easy to learn -- but when you get a strong handle on it you can do practically anything.
Charles
(not on the take from Avid [wish I were!])
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:14:21 -0400
From: Robert E Lamm
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Logging software
Message-ID:
Is there a piece of software for the Mac G4 that will log DV tapes, camera
start to stop, automatically? One of our customers has lots of DV research
tapes that they need to log and and are currently manually noting timecode
etc.
On the PC, there are several vendors (like Canopus) with utilities that
auto-log video, recording in a text file the timecode, date/time of video
acquisition, and a thumbnail (there may be other data as well). But are
there any applications for the Mac? The user has Final Cut Pro, but can
change to Premiere if neccessary.
-Bob Lamm
CYNC Corp.
Video/Multimedia Equipment Dealership
Brookline, MA
USA-617-277-4317
www.cync.com
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:15:25 -0500
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: dv quality
Message-ID: <3AC7FCDD.C48330A@sympatico.ca>
Robert E Lamm wrote:
> Analog video isn't dead yet: It offers a certain non-digital transparency
> that effects houses and some program producers want. But I do expect
> formats like Beta SP even Digital Betacam to become legacy formats as
> their users move up to HD-capable systems over the long term.
Good point -- but I don't think HiDef production will be mainstream in America (never mind Canada, where I live) for a long time.
A year or so ago Sony issued a news release saying that progressive-scan DigBeta would be introduced within a year or two, though I don't think it's happened yet.
My guess is that DigiBeta will eventually upgrade to 720p and future gear will be backwards compatible with 480i (aka, digital NTSC).
Charles
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:23:23 -0500
From: "Scott Sanders"
To:
Subject: RE: dv quality compaired to Media100?
Message-ID:
So how does DV compare to such as Media100? Comparing FCP with the QT5
codec quality to Media100LE? Specifically for CG not really video purposes.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: C2001 [mailto:charles.pope2@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:09 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: dv quality
Randy Quimpo wrote:
> Hi Dexter
>
> The Avid that I worked on digitized only analog footage into what Avid
> refers to as AVR75 or something like that (is it 3:1 compression?). This
> sounds as if its better than DV but its actually not, IMHO. We shot
footage
> using a VX1000, then dubbed this to Betacam SP, which we then used for
> digitizing on the Avid - this process ensured that what was digitized at
> AVR75 was less than optimal video quality. The Avid then outputs
everything
> back to Betacam SP - now try re-digitizing THAT at AVR75 and its a total
> mess (we do this all the time in the DV realm with no problems).
>
> There IS an Avid that captures in DV format, but I have heard that it
> actually uses a Raptor board, so what's the advantage in that?
>
> The bottom line is that the Avid software been around for a long, long
time
> and has small refinements that make the life of editors easier. It is also
> ahead when it comes to editing film projects, which I think the other
> editing tools are just getting into.
>
> But is the Avid better for us DV folk? Probably not - ask yourself why
> you're shooting DV today and that's probably the same reason you're not
> using an Avid (and can't see what the advantage in it is).
I think you're being a tad simplistic. No NLE system will be better than
the weakest link in the chain. The Avid system you've described was
obviously planned for BetaSP, and not for
anything digital.
The *real* problem with the configuration you described is that digital
video was converted to an analog format, then re-digitized for the Avid,
then printed back to analog (BetaSP) and
*then* copied to DV. AVR-75 is high resolution, high color sampling and
moderate compression. With a proper serial digital input from an industrial
DVCAM or DVCPro deck, the worst it can
do to footage from a VX1000 is perhaps introduce very minor concatenation
(sp?) errors -- which are negligible compared with what a
DV/BetaSP/Avid/BetaSP(again) and eventually-back-to-DV
merry-go-round will do.
If you intend to use _ANY_ digital format (not just DV and its industrial
counterparts) you will experience major deterioration if you don't keep
everything in the digital domain.
I use Avid Xpress (Deluxe Bundle) with a Sony DSR-80 deck and SDI (ie, all
digital) and the results, at best, are spectacular. Of course, this is a
fairly expensive setup. My
understanding (check out www.avid.com for up-to-date details) of Avid Xpress
for DV is that it uses firewire I/O (which, for reasons I won't get into
just now, some people prefer anyway to
SDI), and should certainly be a lot better than feeding everything through
BetaSP. I understand it's one of Avid's less pricey systems and, if you
expect to work only with DV for a long
time it should be very satisfactory. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't
think it can be upgraded for use with DigiBeta, DVCPro or D9.
Even if your clients want a final master on BetaSP (and I'm well aware many
still do), if your source video is digital, ALL editing and dubbing should
be done in the digital domain. Then,
you can make a copy to BetaSP, using component I/O, and degradation should
be minimal.
And yes..., the Avid software is astounding, though it's not easy to
learn -- but when you get a strong handle on it you can do practically
anything.
Charles
(not on the take from Avid [wish I were!])
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:58:52 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: dv quality
Message-ID:
Gotcha Charles. But have you stopped to think why I would want to shoot
using a cheap VX1000 if I could afford an Avid with an SDI? Like I said -
examine the reason why you're into DV today and that's probably the reason
you're not using an Avid.
I'm an Avid user from the Mac9600 days - switched to DV and Canopus and
never regreted (and totally ignored the Avid's with SDI and DV). And I'm
gonna quit this thread right now - Avid vs. DV is the start of another
platform war between two fanatical religous camps.
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: C2001 [mailto:charles.pope2@sympatico.ca]
Subject: Re: dv quality
I use Avid Xpress (Deluxe Bundle) with a Sony DSR-80 deck and SDI (ie, all
digital) and the results, at best, are spectacular. Of course, this is a
fairly expensive setup. My
understanding (check out www.avid.com for up-to-date details) of Avid Xpress
for DV is that it uses firewire I/O (which, for reasons I won't get into
just now, some people prefer anyway to
SDI), and should certainly be a lot better than feeding everything through
BetaSP. I understand it's one of Avid's less pricey systems and, if you
expect to work only with DV for a long
time it should be very satisfactory. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't
think it can be upgraded for use with DigiBeta, DVCPro or D9.
Charles
(not on the take from Avid [wish I were!])
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:02:09 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: dv quality
Message-ID:
Sorry Charles, I couldn't resist saying it, but yes, you can do practically
anything EXCEPT GET YOUR MONEY BACK when you realize a Canopus very often
does the same thing for less (that's strictly my experience - no doctrine
intended).
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: C2001 [mailto:charles.pope2@sympatico.ca]
Subject: Re: dv quality
And yes..., the Avid software is astounding, though it's not easy to learn
-- but when you get a strong handle on it you can do practically anything.
Charles
(not on the take from Avid [wish I were!])
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:45:16 -0700
From: Alexei Gerulaitis
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Corporate Voiceover in 2001
Message-ID: <00d001c0bc12$06d269a0$7201a8c0@sherlock>
Thanks all participants for your help!
As usually, your responses showed just how little I know about the topic
and how much more there is to learn, yet you helped tremendously!
Thank you again.
Best,
Alexei, http://dv411.com
: I'm looking for a voiceover microphone as well. I know I want
: something
: that starts with "N"and ends with "eumann," but I'll probably
: get something
: that starts with "Audio" and ends with "Technica." As long as
: it doesn't
: start with "Radio" and end with "Shack"...
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