DV-L Sun, 13 May 2001 Volume 1 : Number 854
In this issue:
To cancel a semitransparent thin line?
Re: best laptop DV setup???
Re: Used equipment deals? Websites?
Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Re: exporting to vhs
Re: 2x tele-extender for GL1
RE: Fast Software
Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Re: exporting to vhs
Re: best laptop DV setup???
Re: To cancel a semitransparent thin line?
Re: Toaster too??
FREE TWEAKS - Optimize Windows for Video Editing
Re: DV-L V1 #845
Re: Matrox RT Mac - The Whole Story
Re: Way-Way-OT: Distributed computing (not video yet...)
I'm Getting Your Mail
Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
RE: What if....
Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera (I know, it gets boring)
Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera (I know, it gets boring)
RE: What if....ProMedia JY-VS200
RE: PC110 still looked red
IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
Re: best laptop DV setup??? Try RATOC CARDBUS!
Problem installing DVStorm
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
connector?
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT #1 of 2.
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT. #2 of 3
NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT. #3 of 3
Re: Matrox RT Mac - The Whole Story
NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT. #2 of 3
Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Streaming video
Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
connector?
Fast Purple
Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Prem 6.0/1394-OHCI/Export to Tape - Question for the Experts
2 GB Limit
smpte bars
Re: Prem 6.0/1394-OHCI/Export to Tape - Question for the Experts
Re: exporting to vhs
Re: Problem installing DVStorm
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:22:55 +0000
From: Fogar
To:
Subject: To cancel a semitransparent thin line?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010512081745.043bbe88@popmail.libero.it>
Hello,
I have to put my analogic master to DV tape, but when I made it
I notoced a disturb on the bottom of the image. It shows a semitrasparent=20
thin line.
Also I noticed this problem in the original=F2 master but now it seems=
worsened.
How can I resolve this problem?
Pehaps is it better to use a TBC? Now I use a digital editing but when I=20
made that
master I had analogic editing.
Thanks Fogar
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:14:07 -0700
From: Brett Stewart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: best laptop DV setup???
Message-ID:
Hi All,
I just have to say that my Maxtor 80GB Firewire drive
has turned out to be a nightmare - crashes, system hangs,
etc. The drive is often invisible to iMovie 2 and FCP 1.2.5
even when ostensibly recognized by the OS.
G4/500/512MB, OS 9.0.4.
Brett
Rocket Network Beta Coordinator
>Kevin Marks wrote:
>
>> At 7:51 am -0700 11/5/01, Robert C. Fisher wrote:
>> >The only problems with the Apple laptops is that the firewire bus is
>> >somewhat slower than the desktop boxes but if you get a fast drive
>> >that shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> Eh? FireWire runs at a fixed bus rate - 400 MBit/sec. The difference
>> may be that desktops have more than one FireWire bus, or it may just
>> be that system clock speeds are lower in laptops, but its not the
>> FireWire speed.
>>
>> Video is tiny compared to FW clock rate.
>
>The data transfer rate is slower, I saw some tests recently between
>the same firewire drive and same test on G3, G4, G4 digital audio,
>the iBook and Powerbook. The powerbooks tested 1/3 to
>1/2 the data rate compared to the desktop machines. I have a friend
>who has a Powerbook 2000 and he had a lot of dificulty getting
>firewire to work well a year ago and some firewire drives
>were horrible on the Powewrbook comparred to the desktop machines.
>There is a hardware thing going on in the Powerbook hardware that
>causes the trasfer rates to be slower even though the
>clock speed is the same.
>
>Just my observations and I am a 15 year Mac user.
>
>BTW after he worked out the firewire thng he's been doing a lot of
>video on his Powerbook and Happy.
>
>Cheers
>Bob Fisher
>FishPond Digital
>
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Rocket Network
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:51:35 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Used equipment deals? Websites?
Message-ID:
on 5/11/01 11:03 PM, George Loch at george@halescreative.com wrote:
> I have been looking for a good deal on a TRV-900. Any recommendations for a
> used/slightly camera?
> Ebay seems to have shady dealers all over it. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> George Loch
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
Hello: A short time ago I was looking for an inexpensive DVD video camera
to use a rewinder. I deceided not to buy a used one because of the use that
it was to have and that the law says that the repairs are only good for 7
years. I put an extra 4 years on this Panasonic and total cost was just
under 500.00 with shipping included from Beach Camera. The outlet Sony
stores would be worth checking out also. You might with luck get a good
used one their with no problems in the equipment. This is the way that I
would go since repairs are expensive. Sometimes the magazine TV technology
has what you might want so check them out also. Tughollow
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:02:00 -0400
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Message-ID: <3AFD2638.840C3476@cox.rr.com>
> The only thing I'm sure of with just a camera (sans WFM) is
> the zebra is 80-90 IRE.
FWIW the Zebra on the XL1 and GL1 is specified at 95 IRE.
Other camcorders may use different levels.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 05:20:30 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: exporting to vhs
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010512051931.02fed980@mail.ulti-media.com>
Hollywood bridge from Dazzle. Just picked one up for $241.00.
Andy
At 08:19 PM 5/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
i have a question i am going to export from premiere to vhs but i heard there is a device that you need to use that connects to the firewire and that connects to your VCR because i used a firewire to capture so i need to get it to vhs, if you can help me. Thanks
Andy Stevens
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com/
2101 Commercial, Anacortes WA 98221 1-360-299-2524 or Fax 1-360-299-2525
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:12:23 -0400
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: 2x tele-extender for GL1
Message-ID: <3AFD28A7.2E27C1C1@cox.rr.com>
> Has anyone had any luck with a 2x tele-extender for the GL1?
> If so what brand and where can I buy it.
I've not used it, but check the Century Optics DS-20TC-58.
Information at
http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/video/digital/diglenschart.html#AnchorGL1.
It is partial zoom through. Century makes high quality stuff, and
is accordingly priced, MSRP about $495. Should be available
through the usual mail order places like B&H.
And be sure you have rock solid support for the camcorder!
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:35:45 -0400
From: "Anna"
To:
Message-ID:
Jon Burkhart wrote:
>>When two of the brightest minds on the DVList say FAST studio software is
hard to learn, BELIEVE it.
Here's a better idea: go see a qualified dealer and take it for a test run
before blindly believing anything. That's how I was convinced. No offense to
the two brightest minds on this list, but if I could learn that system that
quickly, almost anyone can. A grade school English teacher friend of mine
(with ZERO editing/video experience) sat down on it and was making her way
around it after a quick lesson. Also, on the experienced side of things two
friends of mine who work at commercial post houses - one who has used Avid's
Media Composer for years and another who used Softimage DS - each tried out
my Silver and began digitizing, trimming, and editing with hardly any help
from me. So here's a range of people from no experience, to little
experience (me), to a lot of experience and we all had a fun and easy time
using the system the first time. Again, I don't get the comments to the
contrary. Check it out for yourselves is all I can recommend.
Anna
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:39:37 -0400
From: "Anna"
To:
Subject: RE: Fast Software
Message-ID:
Jon Burkhart wrote:
>>When two of the brightest minds on the DVList say FAST studio software is
hard to learn, BELIEVE it.
Here's a better idea: go see a qualified dealer and take it for a test run
before blindly believing anything. That's how I make my decisions. No
offense to the two brightest minds on this list, but if I could learn that
system that quickly, almost anyone can. A grade school English teacher
friend of mine (with ZERO editing/video experience) sat down on it and was
making her way around it after a quick lesson. Also, on the experienced side
of things two friends of mine who work at commercial post houses - one who
has used Avid's Media Composer for years and another who used Softimage DS -
each tried out my Silver and began digitizing, trimming, and editing with
hardly any help from me. So here's a range of people from no experience, to
little experience (me), to a lot of experience and we all had a fun and easy
time using the system the first time. Again, I don't get the comments to the
contrary. Check it out for yourselves is all I can recommend.
Anna
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:17:51 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Message-ID:
> The only thing I'm sure of with just a camera (sans WFM) is
> the zebra is 80-90 IRE.
The original Zebra was on (Japanese) broadcast cameras, and intended to
indicate well exposed face tones. With Japanese faces this was typically
70%.
FWIW I always set my Zebra to 100% if adjustable.
Using grey scale value to find equivalent exposure between film and video is
fraught with problems of dissimilar transfer curves (gamma). As I said
before, you can only get a very approximate equivalence or a range of ISO
values.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:30:02 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: exporting to vhs
Message-ID: <014301c0dae8$41ddd9e0$6401a8c0@design1>
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the finished program. Now you can use the analog outputs to connect to =
your VHS recorder. Alternately there is a Dazzle DV box that will =
convert DV to analog both input and output. It costs about $300.
Walt
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Walt
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:37:48 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: best laptop DV setup???
Message-ID: <017701c0dae9$59bf0560$6401a8c0@design1>
I couldn't use a Maxstor Firewire drive on my Toshiba with an Orange Micro
board either. Maxstor tech support suggested only using it with their PCI
1394 board. Sounds like they have a bridge problem.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Stewart"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: best laptop DV setup???
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just have to say that my Maxtor 80GB Firewire drive
> has turned out to be a nightmare - crashes, system hangs,
> etc. The drive is often invisible to iMovie 2 and FCP 1.2.5
> even when ostensibly recognized by the OS.
>
> G4/500/512MB, OS 9.0.4.
>
> Brett
> Rocket Network Beta Coordinator
>
>
> >Kevin Marks wrote:
> >
> >> At 7:51 am -0700 11/5/01, Robert C. Fisher wrote:
> >> >The only problems with the Apple laptops is that the firewire bus is
> >> >somewhat slower than the desktop boxes but if you get a fast drive
> >> >that shouldn't be a problem.
> >>
> >> Eh? FireWire runs at a fixed bus rate - 400 MBit/sec. The difference
> >> may be that desktops have more than one FireWire bus, or it may just
> >> be that system clock speeds are lower in laptops, but its not the
> >> FireWire speed.
> >>
> >> Video is tiny compared to FW clock rate.
> >
> >The data transfer rate is slower, I saw some tests recently between
> >the same firewire drive and same test on G3, G4, G4 digital audio,
> >the iBook and Powerbook. The powerbooks tested 1/3 to
> >1/2 the data rate compared to the desktop machines. I have a friend
> >who has a Powerbook 2000 and he had a lot of dificulty getting
> >firewire to work well a year ago and some firewire drives
> >were horrible on the Powewrbook comparred to the desktop machines.
> >There is a hardware thing going on in the Powerbook hardware that
> >causes the trasfer rates to be slower even though the
> >clock speed is the same.
> >
> >Just my observations and I am a 15 year Mac user.
> >
> >BTW after he worked out the firewire thng he's been doing a lot of
> >video on his Powerbook and Happy.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Bob Fisher
> >FishPond Digital
> >
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:28:48 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: To cancel a semitransparent thin line?
Message-ID: <3AFD56B1.FDD020E0@pacbell.net>
Fogar wrote:
> Hello,
> I have to put my analogic master to DV tape, but when I made it
> I notoced a disturb on the bottom of the image. It shows a semitras=
parent
> thin line.
> Also I noticed this problem in the original=F2 master but now it se=
ems worsened.
> How can I resolve this problem?
> Pehaps is it better to use a TBC? Now I use a digital editing but w=
hen I
> made that
> master I had analogic editing.
> Thanks Fogar
>
The thin line at the bottom of the picture is called Head Crossover, =
this occurs on 1/2 and 3/4" analog tapes. Sometimes a TBC will get ri=
d of it or make it less but if it is recorded to
tape a generation down then it's permanent. If you can use the origin=
al with a good TBC that may make it unnoticable. Back in the old days=
of video(the 70's) even TBC would not get rid of
the problem and it got worse the more generations you went by moving =
the picture up 5-10 lines per generation. there was a way to fix this=
problem but at the studio I worked at it
considered below us(not my view) to fix a 3/4" video problem. And thi=
nk 25 years later Quad tape and 1" helical are all gone but 3/4" is s=
till alive and kicking.
Cheers
Bop Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:52:57 -0600
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Toaster too??
Message-ID:
>It does make ya feel old... Or could that be me, turning 40, in a few
>weeks...
Dave,
ROFLMHO!!! I think you'd better start believing 40 as young! I needed
that this morning. Thanks!
Nancy S.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:48:09 -0700
From: "Benjamin Freedman"
To:
Subject: FREE TWEAKS - Optimize Windows for Video Editing
Message-ID: <002601c0db03$54baffa0$cd0bdd18@sprint.net>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:10:24 +0100
From: "david THOMAS"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #845
Message-ID: <016d01c0db0e$e7937680$bd1abc3e@rvxwq>
Doug I'll try and answer these as best as I can.
>
> I have a few questions based on I project I'm doing.
>
> First question:
>
> The XL1 does 16X9 by letterboxing the image. What DV
> cameras (prosumer or pro) support 16X9 without
> masking? Another way of asking: what cameras handle
> 16X9 more effectively, and can you explain why? Also,
> does the camera have a firewire port?
>
If the XL1 does 16x9 by letterboxing the final image, in other words by
losing enough lines from top and bottom of the image to create a 16:9
letterbox then it is definitely going to underperform a camera that
generates a full 16:9 image. This was a trick that the early Panasonic DV
camera the EZ-1 and some of the cheaper consumer cameras used t give a
"widescreen" effect.
The VX1000E (PAL) can produce a true anamorphic 16:9 signal. (If you look at
it with the flag unset on a 4:3 monitor you will see an anamorphically
distorted image just as you will with an SX camera etc). However, when
working in 16:9 mode the camera uses a 16:9 slice of the chips so you do
lose some definition compared with 4:3 though not as much as you do when the
16:9 image is created by masking further down the chain. There was some
discussion when the VX1000 started to be used for broadcast purposes about
whether for 16:9 it was better to simply switch the camera to widescreen
mode or to use a supplementary anamorphic lens. I don't think a clear answer
ever emerged.
> Second question:
>
> I'm told that UK television owners most commonly view
> programs in 16X9 PAL. Does anyone know if that's true?
>
Not yet- if ever. Sales of 16:9 sets has been quite slow though that may
change. However 16:9 is theoretically the standard for UK terrestrial
channel so the networks do insist upon production being mastered in that
format. On some channels (including BBC) viewers with 4:3 TVs see a
compromise 14:9 picture with a small, but largely unnoticed, degree of
letterboxing. Some channels just transmit 4:3 and forget the edges of the
picture for those viewers and include it for those who are viewing on WS
sets.
> Third question:
>
> Here's some context for what I'm doing. When
> completed, the project will be shown both in the UK
> and North America. So, if 16X9 is so prevalent in the
> UK, I figure that, ideally, I should shoot 16X9 PAL
> and then transcode to 4X3 NTSC. Comments about this
> strategy?
>
If you are producing for the UK market check what the technical standards
are for your target channel before you spend any money on production. They
may not accept the quality that an XL-1 or other 1/3 inch DV cameras, is
capable of , but on the other hand they may, depending upon the material
and the channel. What you don't want to do is to commit all the costs of
production and then find that you're scuppered by a technical standards
barrier.
Hope that helps
David Thomas
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:27:42 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: Matrox RT Mac - The Whole Story
Message-ID: <3AFD809E.545D0939@flash.net>
> >And with this card the question arises: what codec would be better, the
> >Apple QT 5 or the C-Cube DV 25 ?
The Apple codec is better. C-Cube tends to show more chroma errors on sharp
transitions after a few generations.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:33:06 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: Way-Way-OT: Distributed computing (not video yet...)
Message-ID: <3AFD81E1.375CE6D6@flash.net>
> Wouldn't this distributed concept be great for running a
> video render service?
The killer here is the bandwidth needed to ship source and processed frames
around. SETI@home and Cancerbusters and de-crypto are highly
compute-intensive, requiring much processing on relatively little data. Video
processing is transfer-intensive, with huge amounts of data being shipped
about and comparatively little computation going on. Video render farms work
well on high-speed LANs or on storage fabrics, but the comparatively thin
pipes of 'net connectivity make wide-area render farming unproductive.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:54:38 -0800
From: "Fran M Cogdill"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: I'm Getting Your Mail
Message-ID:
Hello,
I don't know what's going on, but I am receiving mail that's being addressed
to you in my inbox. I have contacted some of the people to alert them, but
new letters are coming in rather quickly. I hate to just delete these
letters but my inbox will be full soon. I am quite a novice so I pretty much
have no clue as to what to do. Somebody please help!thank you, Fran.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:10:55 -0400
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Message-ID:
> > The only thing I'm sure of with just a camera (sans WFM) is
>> the zebra is 80-90 IRE.
>
>FWIW the Zebra on the XL1 and GL1 is specified at 95 IRE.
>Other camcorders may use different levels.
The Sony DSR-500 has a Zebra of 80-90 IRE, as I remember, which
makes it a snap to set proper exposure. I just think of it as: the
brightest stuff that still has color/detail to it. Set the highlights
of a (white) face to have it and you've got perfect exposure.
We also have a GL-1 and it's unclear to me what its 95 IRE Zebra is
useful for. It basically tells you that the stuff that looks blown
out and white really is blown out and white.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:15:19 -0400
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera ...
Message-ID:
>FWIW I always set my Zebra to 100% if adjustable.
How do you use this? I like the 80-90 IRE of the DSR-500, which makes
sense to me as "the brightest stuff that still has reasonable color
and detail to it". How do you use 100% Zebra?
>Using grey scale value to find equivalent exposure between film and video is
>fraught with problems of dissimilar transfer curves (gamma). As I said
>before, you can only get a very approximate equivalence or a range of ISO
>values.
So would you think it is just too problematic to use a meter when
scouting a location or setup a shot? Obviously, once the shot is set
up and everyone is onscreen, the monitor/WFM are the ultimate guides.
But it's really nice to be able to carry a meter around when trying
to figure/rig things.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:26:42 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: RE: What if....
Message-ID: <3AFD8E72.7258C250@flash.net>
> Is working in PAL (for NTSC folks) that difficult?
Yes, for many it is.
> -- Sony has the DSR-11 which will work in DVCAM in either format...
And a very nice deck it is, too.
> -- All NLE's (that I know of) will swallow both PAL and NTSC through
> the firewire...
Many if not most of those sold in the USA, especially those at the low end,
are shipped as NTSC-only NLEs and lack the PAL codec.
> -- If you're going to buy a new camera anyway and one who's purpose is
> digital cinema then you might as well get a PAL camera "off the rack"...
Yes, for those with trust funds or windfall profits from the dotcom bubble,
buying a PAL camera (and PAL-capable monitors, VTRs, and NLEs) solely for
digital cinema is an option. But lots of people need to get gear that helps
'em pay the bills -- try getting a commercial, corporate, or broadcast gig in
this country with PAL gear, and people look at you funny!
How do you hand off VHS copies for review, approvals, scoring, etc.? Do you do
a PAL/NTSC standards conversion every time? Or must all your recipients have
PAL playback capability? How do you handle the 4% speed change when working
with a composer? There's a lot more format-dependent production infrastructure
that comes into play beyond the cameras.
> ...and take advantage of the extra vertical lines,
That is PAL's biggest advantage, I grant you that.
> ...better color gamut...
Does PAL have that much better a gamut? In any case, a 24p/varispeed DC
(digital cinema) camera should incorporate an extended red response like the
F900 or HD27V, with a matrixing switch to revert back to standard colorimetry
for use in "normal television" production.
> ...and "film look" frame rate.
It doesn't get any more "film look" than 24fps!
Granted, with a bit of work a true PAL DC camera could be made: use a proscan
chip, segmented-field recording (as the XL1/XM1 nearly do already), and a 16x9
CCD with extended-red matrixing. But in NTSC-land, you'd still need all the
other components of a production system to work in PAL. And there's still the
4% speed change, which bothers some folks all out of proportion. Still, in PAL
countries, this would be the ideal working tool for those who can't afford HD.
In NTSC-land, a DC camera capturing 24p, writing to tape as bog-standard 60i
NTSC with 3:2 pulldown, lets you use existing NTSC-aware NLEs, monitors, VHS
decks, and the like.
[BTW I'm not proposing a switchable 50i/60i camera -- since there is no common
image format between NTSC and PAL, the CCDs are incompatible between formats
(PAL has 20% more lines, and the scanlines on a PAL chip are 20% narrower as a
result) and there's a corresponding 20% difference in per-frame data size.]
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:33:17 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera (I know, it gets boring)
Message-ID: <3AFD8FFD.567CAA3E@flash.net>
[context: metering off an 18% neutral gray card]
> The only thing I'm sure of with just a camera (sans WFM) is the zebra
> is 80-90 IRE. So if I adjust the camera so one thing has zebra
> stripes, then I meter off that thing and adjust it it ?? stops higher
> and adjust ISO it should work. Right?
First, most DV cameras have zebra at 100 IRE, with some switchable to 70 IRE.
Second, use auto-aperture. When the exposure has stabilized, push the status
button or the aperture lock and read off the iris setting. The whole point of
the neutral gray card is that it's a perceptually "average" brightness. The
camera's iris should be correct when shooting a gray card full-screen.
Once you've got an objective calibration of this sort, don't be afraid to
tweak it for lighter or darker renderings. Many film DPs use the published ISO
rating of a stock as a starting point to develop their own personal ISO rating
for it, finding they get more pleasing results with some degree of nominal
overexposure or underexposure. You may also find that, over time, you change
your personal ISO rating as you develop more exerience in exposing pictures,
or as you develop your own "look."
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:41:26 -0400
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ISO equivalent of videocamera (I know, it gets boring)
Message-ID:
>Don't you have a NLE-app with built-in WFM? It is a bit of work, but you could
>capture your pic, and check it out on the WFM of your NLE-app to look for
>50 IRE.
Great idea. I could either do it within reach of my computer and a
Firewire cable and read the WFM live, or just do a series of
exposures at a range of f-stops, labeling each one and do it off tape.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:58:14 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: What if....ProMedia JY-VS200
Message-ID: <200105121558.AA468517154@mail.xiveren.com>
Did anyone see this camera at NAB?
ProMedia JY-VS200 supposedly does true progressive 30P AND true 16:9 chip!!! ...only one-chip, but should be under $2K on street. Very interesting...
>From JVC web-site:
"JVC's INDIE camcorder uses a 680,000-pixel, progressive scan CCD to record motion pictures with a high vertical resolution, and is well suited for digital cinematographers who require a very high quality image."
"As a true professional camcorder geared toward Internet distribution and digital video art, the JY-VS200 INDIE features a native 16:9 aspect ratio (switchable to 4:3), time code, and a color bar generator."
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It can only be attributable to human error"
-HAL
--
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:34:13 -0400
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: PC110 still looked red
Message-ID: <002f01c0db22$e84ceb60$395ca818@nyc.rr.com>
"We tried that Steve, but we were playing with A.D.'s Sony PC110 under
tungsten low light level conditions. The PC110 still looked red whereas
my Canon Elura (which has a manual white
balance) would balance fine. Sony's auto mode just couldn't swing that
far under those low level conditions."
A camera's WB ability is limited (some, more so than others). Very low
level, very red light may not be able to be balanced. But, are sure you
want to balance it? Sounds like it would alter the mood of the setting.
I've found it looks OK to let it go slightly warm.
Does the technique work OK normally?
You also might try a pale colored sheet of paper. Choose a complementary
color to decrease a not perfect auto WB.
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:47:15 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010512134451.00b22100@139.121.3.10>
I need to join two 4-pin Fireware cables. Anyone know of a source for
female-to-female connectors?
--
Regards,
Carroll Lam
CLamCam Video
Casablanca Dealer in Tucson, AZ
(520) 405-6645
___________________________________________
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------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:53:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
Message-ID: <200105122053.PAA14025@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I need to join two 4-pin Fireware cables. Anyone know of a source for
>female-to-female connectors?
>Carroll Lam
If you think you are going to make a cable longer by using a coupler,
forget it. Especially if the cables are already the longest allowable.
You need to buy a firewire hub in order to be able to extend the distance.
And then you'll have to get 4-pin to 6-pin cables, as most hubs are of the
6-pin variety.
MB
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Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
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Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:59:29 -0400
From: "Bob S."
To: DV Central
Subject: Re: best laptop DV setup??? Try RATOC CARDBUS!
Message-ID:
on 5/12/01 2:14 PM, Mail Administrator at owner-dv@dvcentral.org wrote:
> on 5/11/01 1:29 PM, Jordi Joaquim i Recort at jjrecort@numericvideo.com
> wrote:
>
>> The only issue to pay attention is the Firewire Port... New Titanium
>> and iBOOK only have one.. this means to buy a separate Firewire
>> Hub... because daisychaining camera to the disk doesn't work..
>
> -------------- NOT SO SIMPLE ----------------------
>
>
> Batch Capture NOW working, NO dropped frames! Read on for what worked for
> me. Learned all this by chasing down "batch capture" problems in FCP.
>
> Short answer, using a Ratoc PCMCIA cardbus adapter, put DV deck or DV
> camcorder on laptop computers 2nd BUS!
>
> ================================================================
For long answer/solution possibilities read my two part post titled:
"NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution!"
BTW: Bertell, I wish this list could take slightly larger posts!
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:59:39 -0500
From: "Dr. Ken Larsen"
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Problem installing DVStorm
Message-ID: <001b01c0dbef$a06c6960$0400000a@larse>
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I've hit a wall in trying to install a new DV storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro (MS-6330) Mainboard with 384 Megs =
RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 Gig IBM Deskstar =
dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't co-operate with DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken Larsen
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I've hit a wall in trying to install a = new DV storm=20 card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro = (MS-6330)=20 Mainboard with 384 Megs RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 = Gig IBM=20 Deskstar dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't = co-operate with=20 DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken = Larsen
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:21:28 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
connector?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010512141614.00b58c90@139.121.3.10>
At 03:53 PM 5/12/01 -0500 all or part of what Vidiot wrote included:
> >I need to join two 4-pin Fireware cables. Anyone know of a source for
> >female-to-female connectors?
> >Carroll Lam
>
>If you think you are going to make a cable longer by using a coupler,
>forget it. Especially if the cables are already the longest allowable.
Nah. I just need to occasionally connect two Firewire devices where the
3-ft cables from them are accessible from the front but not easily
accessible from the rear of the devices where the cables originate.
>You need to buy a firewire hub in order to be able to extend the distance.
I'm not trying extend the distance beyond a couple of meters. It's just
not convenient to route the cable directly between the two devices when
needed. With the two cable ends out in front I could join them with a
female-to-female connector when needed.
--
Regards,
Carroll Lam
CLamCam Video
Casablanca Dealer in Tucson, AZ
(520) 405-6645
___________________________________________
"Stay" is a charming word in a friend's vocabulary.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:42:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
Message-ID: <200105122142.QAA14657@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Nah. I just need to occasionally connect two Firewire devices where the
>3-ft cables from them are accessible from the front but not easily
>accessible from the rear of the devices where the cables originate.
I've not seen couplers for firewire, as to use such a connector could
possibly violate the spec for distance. Even though you are not planning
to, others could.
Firewire is real easy to break, i.e., make it so that it doesn't work.
I know, I've done that already. :-(
MB
--
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Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:43:09 -0400
From: "Bob S."
To: DV Central
Subject: NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT #1 of 2.
Message-ID:
PART #1 OF 2 POSTS.
Want to share with all the members about a month of trouble shooting and
frustration. I'm confident I can get back to "editing" after solving the two
problems I was experiencing. Your system, both hardware, software, and FCP
settings may be different, but this is what I learned. Long and boring post,
but some may find it useful. This is about all I currently know about this
subject.
Batch Capture NOW working, NO dropped frames! Read on for what worked for
me. Learned all this by chasing down "batch capture" problems in FCP on a
G-4 Titanium laptop.
Short answer, using a Ratoc PCMCIA cardbus adapter, put DV deck or DV
camcorder on laptop computers 2nd BUS!
================================================================
Problem I was having was when I tried using "batch capture" in FCP
1.2.5/2.0. I kept getting "Firewire Device Not Responding" error messages.
THIS WAS MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE WHEN I STARTED THIS SHAKE DOWN ON THIS PROBLEM,
POSTED on the DV-L list and on 2-POP:
SYSTEM:
G-4 Titanium 400mhz, 384megs ram (200 for FCP)
75 gig external ProMax/LaCie/IBM Firewire hard drive.
Sony DHR-1000 DV Deck.
NOTE: Sony PD-150 (DV camcorder tried as deck, worked fine)
Computer is connected to FW drive which is then connected to DV deck.
*I've also tried switching to different firewire cables!
SOFTWARE:
Mac OS 9.1
FireWire drivers: Apple ver. 2.7 (now using 2.8 works the same)
Silverlining Control Panel: ver. 6.4 (now using 6.4.1, same results)
Final Cut Pro ver. 1.2.5 (fresh install performed for testing)
FCP 2.0 also tested
QuickTime ver. 4.1.2
QuickTime ver. 5.0.1
Some test procedure settings:
Using a copy of the MAC OS "BASE" extensions set.
Fresh install of Final Cut Pro.
*Preferences have been deleted for each test and then chosen again in FCP.
Project saves are saved to a partition on the laptop. All video captures,
thumbnail and waveform folders are on the external FW drive.
Used suggested Pre-Roll and Post-Roll in FCP from the default of 3 seconds
to 5 seconds. I have tried both 6 seconds and 9 seconds with no difference
in results. I now keep them both at 6 seconds!
TEST:
I log at least five separate clips that are spaced out over a one hour DV
tape with continuous TimeCode. I then select batch capture "All clips in
bin". Later tests when I had good results used much longer batch capture
lists, same results. I suggest testing with at least 5-6 clips in a list,
then finally 15-18. If that works, no reason to think it will not work after
that. For the best test with short lists space out the TC captures for long
"fast forwards" on an entire 1 hour DV tape making the computer and software
work harder in keeping the communication going between computer, deck, and
driver, between each video capture.
PROBLEMS:
The Sony DHR-1000 deck responds and starts the "batch capture" process. In
most cases it gets 3 to 4 captures copied to the FW drive, then I get a
"black on white" warning message:
"FIREWIRE DEVICE HAS STOPPED RESPONDING". At this point the tape in the deck
usually just keeps playing past the outpoint that was logged and I have to
stop the deck manually. Final Cut Pro is then locked up forcing me to
reboot. A few times the five clip capture was actually completed properly.
This behavior is not consistent. My last attempt I had something that
happened to me before. The "batch capture" seems to go okay, but there is
still a red line through all the five clips in the FCP bin. When I go to the
FCP folder on the FW drive called "Capture Scratch", the clips names are
what I named them with this added on the end "-av-0", so if I named a clip
"test clip 1", it is now listed as "test clip 1-av-0". The file size for all
five clips is listed as 256k. These are obviously not the captured clips at
all even though they are listed a movie player file with a QuickTime icon. I
don't know what this means but the video clips are not getting to the
firewire drive when this odd behavior happens. I've seen this a few times
during my testing.
*** I have tried changing the device capture from "FIREWIRE" to "FIREWIRE
BASIC". "Firewire" is what the suggested setting is for the Sony DHR-1000 DV
deck on the Apple device compatibility web site list. No difference in test
results.
================= I REPORTED MORE AS I TESTED ==================
Have not been able to solve my batch capturing problems with FCP 1.2.5, TiPB
OS 9.1, LaCie/ProMax 75gig External FW drive, and Sony DHR-1000 DV deck.
Batch capture starts, deck responds, clips are sometimes captured, and then
I get message "firewire device not responding". Since "capture now" works
and FW drive seems to work fine in all other respects, I now believe there
is some incompatibility with the TiPB and the "original" Sony Deck. (bought
it when it first came out years a go). I heard a rumor that some
modification was made to this deck at some point. It is on the Apple FCP
compatibility list for both ver. 1.2.5 and 2.0, but curiously there is a
small letter "e" after the DHR-1000e, but only on the 2.0 list? Don't know
what it means and Sony only sends boilerplate responses and I don't ever
expect to get help from them on this "consumer deck" that always worked
great on my G-3 desktop system.
So far I have done one capture using the same batch list to using my Sony
PD-150 camera as the "deck", and had no "warning message", another reason I
believe that the deck is now the issue here.
So, I am now considering buying and testing a PCMCIA FireWire card since
this might get past some potential "bottleneck" on the SINGLE FW port on the
TiPB. I'm told the PCMCIA slot is a separate "BUS"? This would be a cheap
way to test this problem.
SEE PART #2 OF 2 FOR CONCLUSION!
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:53:20 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010512145141.00b261b0@139.121.3.10>
At 04:42 PM 5/12/01 -0500 all or part of what Vidiot wrote included:
>Firewire is real easy to break, i.e., make it so that it doesn't work.
>I know, I've done that already. :-(
Well, I may just make a 'joiner' using a couple of female connectors. I
was hoping there might be such an animal already in existence. Thanks for
the feedback.
--
Regards,
Carroll Lam
CLamCam Video
Casablanca Dealer in Tucson, AZ
(520) 405-6645
___________________________________________
"Stay" is a charming word in a friend's vocabulary.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:56:27 -0400
From: "Bob S."
To: DV Central
Subject: NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT. #2 of 3
Message-ID:
PART #2 OF 3
--------- GETTING CLOSER TO THE TRUTH-SOLUTION ---------------------------
Turns out it is the DV deck, the Sony DHR-1000. This deck was the first DV
deck offered on the market years a go and has many great features. But it
seems the DV technology has passed it by somewhat. Rumor has it that Sony
made some small but important internal improvements or upgrades and it would
be impossible to ever find out for sure, typical Sony politics as I know
first hand. Suffice to say that the owner of a well respected company that
specializes in DV computer setups has said, out of all the decks he sells
this one is the most problematic in capturing via Firewire. It all worked
fine on my last computer (G-3 with RATOC FW/USB internal card) with it's
built in hard drives, but I upgraded all my hardware and software at one
time, in a leap of gigantic faith.
---------- FINAL SOLUTION FOR ME ---------------
I followed many an Internet lead, and found that by using a PCMCIA cardbus
adapter in the PCMCIA slot on the laptop that one can use a totally separate
"bus" in the computer, thus freeing up potential communication issues. You
have to remember, the firewire cable is sending signals from the computer to
the external hard drive to the DV deck, and then DV information is then
going to the hard drive and is logged on the computer all at the same time,
in both directions, great technology if all is perfect. This can lead to a
bottleneck, especially on a laptop. There is ONE Firewire port on this
laptop, but what people don't understand, is even if you have TWO, they are
on the same "bus" inside the computer. If you use one of these cheap $140.00
card bus adapters, you can hook up the DV deck separately on it's own "bus".
Anyway, this CHEAP SOLUTION has saved me the cost of selling my current deck
and buying a new one and losing thousands of dollars, and useful features.
Besides solving the problem this way is much cleaner and faster. Batch
capture now works as it should, and so far as a bonus I have not seen any
"dropped frames" so far, as many are reporting.
I also believe some of these dropped frame reports are due to some using
Maxtor drives, I see this a reported a lot, don't own one, can't say first
hand. Another big reason is making sure all your FCP settings are just right
for your hardware.
SEE PART #3 OF 3 FOR CONCLUSIONS
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:57:38 -0400
From: "Bob S."
To: DV Central
Subject: NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT. #3 of 3
Message-ID:
PART #3 OF 3
RATOC driver NOTE:
BTW: You may have read that the current RATOC 2.0 drivers are a problem and
this is true as they disable the Apple FW Enabler which some FW drives needs
so as to mount. The ver. 1.7 drivers on the supplied CD work on their own
and in harmony with the Apple drivers and that is what I am using now. I am
going to report this to RATOC so they can address this issue in a future
update.
I heard back from RATOC tech. support. They changed controller chips from
NEC to Texas Instruments, hence the new 2.0 drivers. If you get one of these
new Ti version cards you will have to call or write RATOC as you may have
problems depending on a few other variables, for example I use the
LaCie/Promax/IBM external FW drive. The advice for that hardware is to NOT
install the LaCie FW drivers but to use the Apple FW ver. 2.7 drivers you
already have on a 9.1 install, the drive is recognized just fine, and I use
the Silverlining Control Panel for drive formatting etc.
This is where the problem pops up, as the RATOC 2.0 driver install moves the
"Apple FW Enabler" extension to the "disabled extension" folder and then my
FW drive will not mount. Second problem experienced, with the 2.0 drivers
loaded and turning the "Apple FW Enabler" back on in Extension Manager, the
computer freezes on bootup. Remember this is an OS 9.1 system!
I reported this to RATOC and they seem aware of the problem and said they
are working on a new driver update beyond 2.0. I tried to explain that those
with external drives like the LaCie/Promax need to have our "Apple FW
Enabler" left alone. There seemed to be a small language barrier as I traded
four e-mails about this, but in the end am not sure they "get it". Since I
was lucky enough to accidentally end up with the older NEC controller, and
ver. 1.7 of these drivers works fine, it will be up to the "new buyers" to
bug RATOC if they run into any of these problems. As of 5//12/01, just
checked the RATOC site, and there is indeed a new 2.1 driver, someone with a
Texas Inst. controller can test it and hopefully report their results, I was
told there is no performance improvement from ver. 1.7 so I'll stick with
what is working for me now.
Link to RATOC cardbus product page:
http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cbfw2.html
I just wanted to "WARN" you that there are some small issues, but in the end
this inexpensive card was the solution for me on my system.
BTW: I'm going to post the info again with a new Subject Header. I hope all
my frustration and hard work will be helpful to some that have similar
hardware and problems!
Good luck to all,
Bob S.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:26:01 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Matrox RT Mac - The Whole Story
Message-ID: <003901c0db30$b4310b00$a6a76dc2@oemcomputer>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Wilt"
To: "DV-L"
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Matrox RT Mac - The Whole Story
> > >And with this card the question arises: what codec would be better, the
> > >Apple QT 5 or the C-Cube DV 25 ?
>
> The Apple codec is better. C-Cube tends to show more chroma errors on
sharp
> transitions after a few generations.
That raises two questions:
1. The ProMax card is one of the few options in the lower /mid price range
for my G4 450 MP for real time color correction. (I don't mind effects etc -
no problem for me if they are non RT). Your answer seems to suggest: if it's
all in the first and only decompression / compression it hold up.
2. Still, one strives for the best... If the C Cube DV25 is not pristine
quality, is it better to stay with QT 5, with the trade off of no RT
correction.
(I have a small problem in color blindness, have a red / green deficiency
which results in not being able to fine tune some colors. So I would like to
have someone with me at the color correction stage and then RT is
preferable.)
Ton G.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam Wilt
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:18:23 -0400
From: "Bob S."
To: DV Central
Subject: NO dropped frames/Batch Capture w/RATOC solution! PT. #2 of 3
Message-ID:
PART #2 OF 3
--------- GETTING CLOSER TO THE TRUTH-SOLUTION ---------------------------
Turns out it is the DV deck, the Sony DHR-1000. This deck was the first DV
deck offered on the market years a go and has many great features. But it
seems the DV technology has passed it by somewhat. Rumor has it that Sony
made some small but important internal improvements or upgrades and it would
be impossible to ever find out for sure, typical Sony politics as I know
first hand. Suffice to say that the owner of a well respected company that
specializes in DV computer setups has said, out of all the decks he sells
this one is the most problematic in capturing via Firewire. It all worked
fine on my last computer (G-3 with RATOC FW/USB internal card) with it's
built in hard drives, but I upgraded all my hardware and software at one
time, in a leap of gigantic faith.
---------- FINAL SOLUTION FOR ME ---------------
I followed many an Internet lead, and found that by using a PCMCIA cardbus
adapter in the PCMCIA slot on the laptop that one can use a totally separate
"bus" in the computer, thus freeing up potential communication issues. You
have to remember, the firewire cable is sending signals from the computer to
the external hard drive to the DV deck, and then DV information is then
going to the hard drive and is logged on the computer all at the same time,
in both directions, great technology if all is perfect. This can lead to a
bottleneck, especially on a laptop. There is ONE Firewire port on this
laptop, but what people don't understand, is even if you have TWO, they are
on the same "bus" inside the computer. If you use one of these cheap $140.00
card bus adapters, you can hook up the DV deck separately on it's own "bus".
Anyway, this CHEAP SOLUTION has saved me the cost of selling my current deck
and buying a new one and losing thousands of dollars, and useful features.
Besides solving the problem this way is much cleaner and faster. Batch
capture now works as it should, and so far as a bonus I have not seen any
"dropped frames" so far, as many are reporting.
I also believe some of these dropped frame reports are due to some using
Maxtor drives, I see this a reported a lot, don't own one, can't say first
hand. Another big reason is making sure all your FCP settings are just right
for your hardware.
SEE PART #3 OF 3 FOR CONCLUSIONS
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:03:55 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010512190157.037488a0@mail.speakeasy.org>
Compared to the DV500 the DVStorm is a cakewalk. But the best place to ask
would be on the Canopus DVStorm forum (www.justedit.com). Be sure to
include all your hardware/software and whatever errors you're getting. Also
whatever you've done to solve the problem already (e.g. format, reinstall
Win2k).
At 04:59 PM 5/13/2001, you wrote:
>I've hit a wall in trying to install a new DV storm card.
>
>System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro (MS-6330) Mainboard with 384 Megs
>RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 Gig IBM Deskstar dedicated
>video drive.
>
>It ran DV500 just fine, but won't co-operate with DV Storm.
>
>Any clues?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ken Larsen
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:16:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
Message-ID: <200105130016.TAA15879@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Well, I may just make a 'joiner' using a couple of female connectors. I
>was hoping there might be such an animal already in existence. Thanks for
>the feedback.
>Carroll Lam
No not expect it to work. If it does, then you are set.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:23:58 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
Message-ID: <021d01c0db44$34ca34e0$6401a8c0@design1>
Check Markertek. I seem to remember them having such a coupler.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carroll Lam"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female connector?
> At 03:53 PM 5/12/01 -0500 all or part of what Vidiot wrote included:
>
> > >I need to join two 4-pin Fireware cables. Anyone know of a source for
> > >female-to-female connectors?
> > >Carroll Lam
> >
> >If you think you are going to make a cable longer by using a coupler,
> >forget it. Especially if the cables are already the longest allowable.
>
> Nah. I just need to occasionally connect two Firewire devices where the
> 3-ft cables from them are accessible from the front but not easily
> accessible from the rear of the devices where the cables originate.
>
> >You need to buy a firewire hub in order to be able to extend the
distance.
>
> I'm not trying extend the distance beyond a couple of meters. It's just
> not convenient to route the cable directly between the two devices when
> needed. With the two cable ends out in front I could join them with a
> female-to-female connector when needed.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Carroll Lam
> CLamCam Video
> Casablanca Dealer in Tucson, AZ
> (520) 405-6645
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:36:33 -0500
From: "Dr. Ken Larsen"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Message-ID: <000901c0dc0d$ed6552e0$0400000a@larse>
Thanks for the reply reply. I see you stutter stutter too.
Grin
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Parker"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
> Compared to the DV500 the DVStorm is a cakewalk. But the best place to ask
> would be on the Canopus DVStorm forum (www.justedit.com). Be sure to
> include all your hardware/software and whatever errors you're getting.
Also
> whatever you've done to solve the problem already (e.g. format, reinstall
> Win2k).
>
>
> At 04:59 PM 5/13/2001, you wrote:
> >I've hit a wall in trying to install a new DV storm card.
> >
> >System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro (MS-6330) Mainboard with 384 Megs
> >RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 Gig IBM Deskstar
dedicated
> >video drive.
> >
> >It ran DV500 just fine, but won't co-operate with DV Storm.
> >
> >Any clues?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ken Larsen
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:47:24 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Message-ID: <022b01c0db46$7ffc2ac0$6401a8c0@design1>
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Exactly what kind of problems are you having? Without any detailed =
description and the fact that you previously had a DV500 installed I'd =
suspect a driver conflict or plugin conflict with Premiere. I have =
personally had problems with All In Wonder video cards and choose not to =
use them in any kind of NLE because of compatibility issues. If I was =
buying a new AGP board now it would be a GeForce based board.
Walt
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr. Ken Larsen=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: Problem installing DVStorm
I've hit a wall in trying to install a new DV storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro (MS-6330) Mainboard with 384 Megs =
RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 Gig IBM Deskstar =
dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't co-operate with DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken Larsen
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Exactly what kind of problems are you = having?=20 Without any detailed description and the fact that you previously had a = DV500=20 installed I'd suspect a driver conflict or plugin conflict with = Premiere. I have=20 personally had problems with All In Wonder video cards and choose not to = use=20 them in any kind of NLE because of compatibility issues. If I was buying = a new=20 AGP board now it would be a GeForce based board.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr. = Ken=20 Larsen
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:59 = PM
Subject: Problem installing = DVStorm
I've hit a wall in trying to install = a new DV=20 storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro = (MS-6330)=20 Mainboard with 384 Megs RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, = 45 Gig=20 IBM Deskstar dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't = co-operate with=20 DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken=20 Larsen
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:50:10 -0400
From: Neal Jacob
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Streaming video
Message-ID: <200105130050.UAA08361@www22.ureach.com>
Ok, now for the continuing saga of "Neal the
Newbie" I decided to go ahead and get Studio DV
from Pinnacle Systems. It is on order, and
hopefully it will be here soon so I can start
playing with it and leave you all alone! :-)
How do I set up a file to stream on a web page? I
know you have to setup a text file with the URL
to the actual video file, but what is the file
extension for Real Media and for Windows Media?
Also I heard that there are "switches" you can
put in the file to get the media player and real
media player to do a few tricks when playing the
file, such as displaying the title, author,
copyright date, etc....
TIA,
Neal
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:17:31 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 (aka DV, aka Firewire) female-to-female
connector?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010512181703.00ab71d0@139.121.3.10>
At 08:23 PM 5/12/01 -0400 all or part of what Walt wrote included:
>Check Markertek. I seem to remember them having such a coupler.
Thanks, Walt, I will.
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CLamCam Video
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(520) 405-6645
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:38:32 -0400
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Fast Purple
Message-ID: <3AFDE597.D69C0862@compuserve.com>
>Whet's more Fast Studio is a professional piece of
>editing software. Premiere and Final Cut Pro are SERIOUSLY flawed
pieces of
>software on Mac or PC. You cannot load sequences into the source window
and
>cut across to record window. This is an absolutely essential function
of
>editing software that is just left out.
I think this statement is quite excessive. Are you comparing to Prem 4
which you mentioend later in your post?
If this is essential to your editing technique, fine, just say its an
essential for your style. I personally do not edit this way, and have
plenty of years and productions behind me as an editor. I have tested
the Fast Software, as I have most current NLE software. I was not
nearly as impressed with Studio as you are. Nearly every NLE program
has some feature that I really like, but I don't call other software
"seriously flawed" just because they did it differently or didn't stick
in my favorite thing.
>Purple offers, constant background saving. constant background
rendering as
>you continue to work. (and fast rendering too)
In the dual PIII 500 turnkey setup they shipped me for review, the
background rendering noticably affected the foreground editing. I hope
faster processors have overcome this. The one feature that leapt out at
me and made my eyeballs jump out was the background saving. EVERYONE
else needs to implement this as of yesterday! Every change and tweak is
saved as soon as you click OK on the requester.
John Jackman
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:43:47 -0500
From: "Dr. Ken Larsen"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Message-ID: <000d01c0dc17$51afad00$0400000a@larse>
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Thanks for the tip. I'm installing a GeForce video card on a new HD to =
see if that changes anything.
I'll report more later.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Walt=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Exactly what kind of problems are you having? Without any detailed =
description and the fact that you previously had a DV500 installed I'd =
suspect a driver conflict or plugin conflict with Premiere. I have =
personally had problems with All In Wonder video cards and choose not to =
use them in any kind of NLE because of compatibility issues. If I was =
buying a new AGP board now it would be a GeForce based board.
Walt
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr. Ken Larsen=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: Problem installing DVStorm
I've hit a wall in trying to install a new DV storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro (MS-6330) Mainboard with 384 =
Megs RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 Gig IBM Deskstar =
dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't co-operate with DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken Larsen
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I'll report more later.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walt=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 = 7:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: Problem installing = DVStorm
Exactly what kind of problems are you = having?=20 Without any detailed description and the fact that you previously had = a DV500=20 installed I'd suspect a driver conflict or plugin conflict with = Premiere. I=20 have personally had problems with All In Wonder video cards and choose = not to=20 use them in any kind of NLE because of compatibility issues. If I was = buying a=20 new AGP board now it would be a GeForce based board.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr. Ken=20 Larsen
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 4:59=20 PM
Subject: Problem installing=20 DVStorm
I've hit a wall in trying to = install a new DV=20 storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a = K7TPro (MS-6330)=20 Mainboard with 384 Megs RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, = 45 Gig=20 IBM Deskstar dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't = co-operate=20 with DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken=20 Larsen
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:54:31 -0400
From: "Davis, Ian (MLIM)"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Prem 6.0/1394-OHCI/Export to Tape - Question for the Experts
Message-ID:
I am outputting from Premiere 6.0 via an OHCI compliant card to a Sony TRV730. I am basically trying to add a clip from the computer onto the back of an existing clip on the tape. I am in NTSC, using Timeline, Export to Tape with Device Control. I have experimented with various "Movie Start Delay" values.
This value is expressed in 1/4 frames. Using value "0" produces 10 initial black frames recorded on the tape before the timeline clip records. Using value "40" produces 20 initial black frames. Using value "80" produces 30 initial black frames. Etc. etc.
From this I deduce that Premiere always waits 10 frames after starting the tape but before starting the output. However, you can extend this 10 frames in 1/ 4 frame increments via the "Movie Start Delay" parameter.
The problem is that (for, I think, pretty good reasons) I don't want ANY black frames in my movie and I cannot seem to find any combination of parameters that will instruct it not to wait any frames.
Do any of you expert wizards out there know how to get a seamless cut between what exists on a DV tape already and a new clip you send out via the 1394 card to add on the end??
Tks, Ian Davis
Middletown, NJ
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:08:28 -0400
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: 2 GB Limit
Message-ID: <3AFDEC9B.71426FA6@compuserve.com>
Bob England wrote:
>Yes, but all Canopus products do this by creating a reference file that
>points to multiple 2 Gig video data files. It may seem like one shot
to you
>but there is a difference and it's because Canopus' codec is still
old-style
>Video for Windows.
If it's a difference that makes no difference, what of it? I've just
never found this to be much of a real issue.
What sort of editing do you do that requires 2 hours of continuous
capture? I know for wedding and event folks this is a big deal, but for
me it's not. We shoot from script, batch capture clips that are seldom
longer than 30 sec, edit from there. Longest single clip I recall using
lately was 2 minutes, because its was the continuous shot of a song
performance. Most of the edit planning is done in paper list, not AFTER
sucking in vast quantities of footage into the NLE. When we have fifty
or sixty hours of interview footage for a doc, the "golden nuggets" are
selected long before we capture anything. We don't capture the trash.
Reason I raise this (tho' I know that editing styles differ) is that the
increasing tendency to "suck it all in and trim it down in the NLE" in
my opinion often results in very poor storytelling. There's a lack of
discpline in the review and planning stage. Most of the docs and so on
I have seen edited this way seem sloppy and muddy in the end result.
Clear storytelling doesn't happen by accident.
Just my opinion, I got royally flamed on the domentary filmmaker's forum
last year saying the same thing :^)
John Jackman
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:19:32 -0400
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: smpte bars
Message-ID: <3AFDEF33.DCED71D0@compuserve.com>
George Fischer wrote:
>Using FCP: I am attempt to balance the color between the footage of my
>A & B cameras.
This requires more than bars -- and you should be using bars generated
by the camera if possible. Because of all the tweaks to color and gamma
etc available on many cameras, matching bars won't match the color if
the two cams were set wrong. Worst thing is if using two different
brand of camera, did a shoot last year with a Panasonic and two Sonys,
never did get the color in the Panny to match the Sonys -- or maybe in
deference to Jan C. I should say it the other way around ;^)
>My first question is: Are the color bars generated by FCP 'legal?'
I've been told they are, bnut haven't tested em myself. Email me a
frame privately.
>Then I have a few questions about John Jackman's explanation of how to
>use SMPTE color bars to calibrate a monitor:
>Item # 4. Adjust Contrast control to achieve a balanced gray scale
>across top bars. I'm afraid that I'm not certain what this means. The
>FCP color bars appear to be identical to those posted with the url.
>However when I adjust the contrast, the top bars are still colored, not
>gray. Am I doing something incorrectly or looking at the wrong bars?
You should turn chroma off for this stage
>7. Adjust color phase (tint or hue) is this step done with the blue
gun
>only still on? Or is this done after turning off the blue gun only
>switch.
Both phase and chroma should be adjusted with BLUE GUN ONLY switch on,
so all you see is various levels of blue.
HOWEVER -- ain't you in Prague editing in PAL? Don't think PAL needs
the phase adjustment -
John Jackman
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:08:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Prem 6.0/1394-OHCI/Export to Tape - Question for the Experts
Message-ID: <200105130308.WAA17812@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>Do any of you expert wizards out there know how to get a seamless cut between what exists on a DV tape already and a new clip you send out via the 1394 card to add on the end??
>Tks, Ian Davis
Don't use device control. Start the recorder yourself and record directly
from the playing timeline.
Experiment with that and you'll get the hang of recording directly from the
timeline. I never record using device control.
MB
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: arlo thri
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: exporting to vhs
Message-ID: <20010513040906.55001.qmail@web12207.mail.yahoo.com>
--- jhogg wrote:
> >i have a question i am going to export from
> premiere to vhs but i heard
> >there is a device that you need to use that
> connects to the firewire and
> >that connects to your VCR because i used a firewire
> to capture so i need
> >to get it to vhs, if you can help me. Thanks
Best a/dv converter I know of currently on the market
is PowerR's Director's Cut. They're at http://www.powerr.com
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:21:39 -0500
From: "Alejandro Vargas"
To:
Subject: Re: Problem installing DVStorm
Message-ID: <003801c0db6c$96fd2fa0$956406d8@epm>
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i have read that DVstorm and ATI all in wonder are not very good =
friends, but you can try to disable all the " all in wonder " to have =
only driver for your radeon.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dr. Ken Larsen=20
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:59 PM
Subject: Problem installing DVStorm
I've hit a wall in trying to install a new DV storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro (MS-6330) Mainboard with 384 Megs =
RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, 45 Gig IBM Deskstar =
dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't co-operate with DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken Larsen
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i have read that DVstorm and ATI all in = wonder are=20 not very good friends, but you can try to disable all the " all in = wonder " to=20 have only driver for your radeon.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dr. = Ken=20 Larsen
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:59 = PM
Subject: Problem installing = DVStorm
I've hit a wall in trying to install = a new DV=20 storm card.
System is a 1 Gig Athlon on a K7TPro = (MS-6330)=20 Mainboard with 384 Megs RAM, OS Win 2000, Radeon All in Wonder card, = 45 Gig=20 IBM Deskstar dedicated video drive.
It ran DV500 just fine, but won't = co-operate with=20 DV Storm.
Any clues?
Thanks
Ken=20 Larsen
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