DV-L Sat, 2 Jun 2001 Volume 1 : Number 874
In this issue:
Questions about Sony PD 150
Re: Apple looking for speed?
Re: Apple looking for speed?
RE: DV Vs. 601(too much information)
RE: Anyone familiar with Sony's new TRV30 - opinions?
RE: Best Production Music?
RE: Best Production Music?
Re: Apple looking for speed?
Re: on-line auctions (ch. subj.)
RE: Apple looking for speed?
Re: RE: Best Production Music?
RE: Warm colors
Re: Questions about Sony PD 150
Re: DV Decks with XLR interface?
RE: Questions about Sony PD 150
RE: DV Vs. 601(too much information)(Diving deeper . . . oh no!)
RE: Best Production Music?
Re: Apple looking for speed?
RE: Best Production Music?
Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
RE: Warm colors
Re: DV-L V1 #873
Re: Cross-fade formula?
Audio for Video (was: DV Decks with XLR interface?)
RE: Best Production Music?
Re: DV Decks with XLR interface?
Re: What filter to have warmer colours?
Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Re: Jay Rose DV Sound Book
Re: FCP capture takes atleast 30 seconds to start capture video
RE: storm motherboard and cpu
Problem with DSR-11
Re: Audio for Video (was: DV Decks with XLR interface?)
Re: Problem with DSR-11
A thank you to Bruce
Re: A thank you to Bruce
Re: Apple looking for speed?
RE: Best Production Music?
Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Re: FCP capture takes atleast 30 seconds to start capture video
Re: Best Production Music?
Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Links page
Re: Best Production Music?
Re: Best Production Music?
Re: Cross-fade formula?
Re: 3d motion tracking in-camera (was Re: *** CAMERA MANUFACTURERS LISTEN UP ***)
Re: firewire drives(oxford chipset)
RE: Cross-fade formula?
Re: FCP vs Premiere WAS: Apple looking for speed?
Re: Apple looking for speed?
RE: Cross-fade formula?
Re: Cross-fade formula?
Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
RE: Cross-fade formula?
I am free of the virus
Re: Apple looking for speed?
Re: I am free of the virus
Re: I am free of the virus
Re: I am free of the virus
RE: I am free of the virus
Re: Anyone familiar with Sony's new TRV30 - opinions?
RE: Cross-fade formula?
RE: Cross-fade formula?
Re: I am free of the virus
RE: Best Production Music?
Re: Best Production Music?
Masi, what's happening on in Nepal?
RE: I am free of the virus
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:10:56 +0200
From: "Drakes"
To:
Subject: Questions about Sony PD 150
Message-ID: <002a01c0ea72$62fa5c40$0a01a8c0@ATHLON>
I apologize in advance for these questions, but our manual for the Sony
PD 150 has gone temporarily (I hope) missing.
Could someone please tell me how to output color bars from the PD 150?
Also, how do I lower the volume on the microphone?
Again, sorry for the stupid questions. Any information will be greatly
appreciated.
Sincerely,
George W. Fisher
Prague, Cz
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:48:18 -0400
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID:
On 6/1/01 12:37 AM, Evan Robinson got thrown off a skyscraper and screamed:
> And this is relevant how? Comparing different processor families by
> core clock speed is like comparing video cameras by tape size.
> Obvious, Easy, and Irrelevant.
But the performance still looks to be greater on the Intel front, in spite
of the greater inefficiencies of the P4. But also, the P4 is designed as a
video production chip. The latest tests seem to bear this out.
Besides, let's be honest here: who's more likely to hit their milestones
this fall? Motorola (1GHz)? Or Intel (2GHz)? I'm a Mac fan, but I don't
think my money would go on Moto.
Keith
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 05:08:38 -0400
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID:
On 6/1/01 2:08 AM, Dave Haynie got thrown off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Apple seems to be losing desktop share, fast. I suspect Windows it
> taking most of it, and Linux isn't yet taking significant desktop share
> from Windows (or anyone else).
Actually, I read not too long ago that their overall, worldwide market share
had crept up from 3% to a bit over 5% since 1998. Certainly not a rocket
shot upward, but not fading fast, either.
> I think they'll have a problem with this. Mac people are the polar
> opposite of UNIX people. I have serious doubts that one OS can satisfy
> both. Especially since UNIX people will all have to buy new hardware,
> since none of them use Macs today.
I am a Mac person, but I also like Unix and even DOS. Now granted, I'm in
the minority, but with the UI of OS X being what it is, it will not scare
too many Mac-heads off, and it appears to be attracting a LOT of interest
from the geeky side of things. (see link below)
> Well, the established user base for Mac UNIX is all but zero, today.....But
> will UNIX people adopt it? I don't think many will....MacOS applications are
> Mac applications, not generally UNIX applications. So this isn't likely to get
> UNIX people excited about ports to MacOS.....
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2766229,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews
01
> No doubts, the GUI is better. If they put that out for Linux, I'd
> probably use it myself, rather than Gnome. But there's nothing, today
> anyway, that could even remotely get me interested in spending $2K or so
> for a Mac just to run MacOS X.
But you see, that's YOU. A lot of us LIKE the entire Mac experience. A lot
hate it. But I think that Aqua keeps the non-geek from the shell, while the
shell is accessible to someone like me, who is not afraid of it.
But I will concede this: we really do not know what will happen until things
develop over time. I EXPECT OS X to take over a lot of space it didn't take
over before. But I also expect some Mac-heads to be afraid of it (like you
said)--for a while at least. Eventually, they'll come over. But as for Linux
grabbing up desktop market share, I'm sorry, but for the same reasons you
said Mac-heads will be afraid of OS X, I think too many people will be
intimidated by Linux: unsatisfactory interface for the many out there who
are not especially technically inclined. Now if they developed a killer
interface that anyone could use....
Keith
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:12:44 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: RE: DV Vs. 601(too much information)
Message-ID:
You guys seem to have covered most of the bases! Just to add that company
politics and marketing , and industry standard bodies like SMPTE/EBU/IEEE
can make the whole deal quite confusing at times!
DV and '601 are digital formats for encoding video, IEEE-1394 (aka Firewire
and iLink) and SDI are the normal means to transport them respectively. SDTI
is a collective term for sending various forms of professional compressed
video down an SDI type transport.
SDI and SDTI started life as Sony and Panasonic terms respectively, so some
confusion is probably inevitable!
Concerning quality, uncompressed '601 video consumes about 7x the data rate
of DV. The difference on typical images with the same source camera is
difficult for an untrained eye to see. The real problems with DV concern the
use of difficult computer graphic material, and the use of chroma-key which
demands an artificially high level of performance from the chroma channels.
One solution to this is to use compressed '601 such as D-9 (Digital-S) with
compromise data rates and yet full 4:2:2 mapping.
These are all intra-frame based technologies, inter-frame based compression
such as MPEG offers much higher efficiency and would seem (to me) to be an
inevitable steam roller. Only short term restrictions involving processor
power and cost of memory make it sometimes awkward to use.
Like all modern technology, you should make purchasing decisions based upon
using the equipment TODAY. If it works well today, it will work well
tomorrow and next year whatever other technology gets developed. If you want
to buy video equipment that can be guaranteed to still be competitive in say
5 years time, then you are in lottery land!
just my two penn'orth!
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:51:54 +0200
From: "Global-DVC"
To:
Subject: RE: Anyone familiar with Sony's new TRV30 - opinions?
Message-ID:
>Quality being a given, comparison of a 1 chip vs a 3 chip camera is like
>comparing apples and oranges.
We worked with VX2000 TRV30 and TRV20 in bright conditions and believe me
picture quality of a 1 CCD is outstanding good and nothing like the older 1
CCD versions! So no apples and oranges comperison for me any longer! Just a
fraction better is the VX2000 in good conditions and wins on bigger lens and
colour image. In PAL-Europe we tested a first TRV30 Press Sample and again
its a little better again. This is absolutely a better / sharper image than
3CCD TRV900, we can proof this with footage! TRV20 and TRV30 have a really
pleasant grip, easy to carry size and ergonomics, handling and the 3.5" LCD
is much more pleasant than the VX2000! Our TRV30 PAL version wit HAD also
has DV-IN and Analogue-in and can play NTSC miniDV and DVCAM as well.
Min.Light=26 LUX. For a good picture: need 74 Lux.
mem.stick at 1360x1020! Sony Price is Euro 2495,= Streetprice Euro 1795,=.
Same catagorie about same price :
The new JVC GR-DV2000 3.8-38mmm also shown in a professional black version
at NAB scores the same points in overall quality, but low-light is at 45 lux
and needs 130 Lux for a good low light colour.
SHARP VL-ME100S 4.2-42mm lowlight 28 Lux and 85 lux for best colour. Best
soundmic.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:32:38 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID:
Bret,
How the heck do you use this MP3 file in your editing system? Neither
Canopus nor Premiere import MP3. And I am loath to play them from an MP3
player and re-capture the analog output just so I can import them as a .wav
file. I also can't seem to find a utility that will convert MP3 to .wav !
Please let me know how you did it - there's a whole world of music available
in MP3 at reasonable cost that I can't access!
regards
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Bret Aguilar [mailto:aguilaba@46506.com]
mp3.com is an excellent source. Since most of the music there is being
given away free, just send the band an email and ask 'em if you can use
their music in a video. I've done several skateboard videos and used cool
stuff from mp3.com.
The music is grouped by genre and you can also search by title.
Bret Aguilar
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:47:44 -0700
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID:
At 6:32 pm +0800 1/6/01, Randy Quimpo wrote:
>Bret,
>
>How the heck do you use this MP3 file in your editing system? Neither
>Canopus nor Premiere import MP3. And I am loath to play them from an MP3
>player and re-capture the analog output just so I can import them as a .wav
>file. I also can't seem to find a utility that will convert MP3 to .wav !
>Please let me know how you did it - there's a whole world of music available
>in MP3 at reasonable cost that I can't access!
QuickTime Pro. $30
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:01:33 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID:
1 GHz, 2GHz, who cares!! What we really want to know is how long does it
take, and the two are not necessarily related! Also irrelevant to me is
running business and game playing benchmark tests.
Why can't we have a general video benchmark, with a bunch of common cross
platform applications like Premiere and After Effects rendering; and MPEG
encoding based upon the fastest platform software. If the Apple DVD encoder
(MPEG2) can genuinely run at half real speed, or even the realistic quarter
speed reported, then it makes a G4 a real speed contender against any
Windows rival, whatever the numbers.
When I can get After Effects, Photoshop, Illustrator, a decent NLE and all
the assorted support applications to run on your Unix cousins then I may
think about the consequences. Meantime I'll put up with the odd crash and
try and use the computers to do something useful.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:06:19 -0400
From: DPalomaki
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: on-line auctions (ch. subj.)
Message-ID: <3B17772B.6F08D3BE@cox.rr.com>
> Search e-Bay ... Many times you can find these items available
> new in a sealed box for substantially less than elsewhere.
But do not get caught in a bidding frenzy. While you can find
bargains, it also is not uncommon to see things go for
substantially more than mail order street prices. Apparently the
fun of last minute bidding overtakes market sense.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:35:44 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID:
Yes, this 1-2 Ghz speak is really irrelevant. A buddy of mine once told me
what a smoker the G4 was - he saw it render a 3d animation scene in about 1
or 2 seconds, so the conclusion was Macs are faster than PCs. Jeez - I bet
he was watching the G4 render a scene in Electric Image, which has ALWAYS
been faster, even when pitted against SGI-based animation software. I bet
Electric Image will render faster no matter what platform you use it on! In
the final analysis, who can really say which machine is faster based on the
speed of its processor? Only a benchmark test that compares similar tasks
can tell, and I think only processor intensive tasks will show the
difference. Unfortunately, the editing process is so dependent on operator
skill that ultimately the machine doesn't matter at all - its the editor's
skill that counts.
regards
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry [mailto:perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
1 GHz, 2GHz, who cares!! What we really want to know is how long does it
take, and the two are not necessarily related! Also irrelevant to me is
running business and game playing benchmark tests.Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:47:13 +0800
From: "Dexter C Andrada"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: RE: Best Production Music?
Randy,
You can do it the hard way by searching the net for free mp3 to wav converters or use Media Studio Pro 6 to do this or at the same time Include Quicktime in the mix.
or look into premiere 6
It part of the improvements of Premiere 6. Look at the splash screen when loading. You will see the copyrights, along with the other group of legal protection mumbo jumbo.
And the plus there is you get to see Nick Scholts name more often than just in the lists.
Regards,
Dexter Andrada
DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
>
>Bret,
>
>How the heck do you use this MP3 file in your editing system? Neither
>Canopus nor Premiere import MP3. And I am loath to play them from an MP3
>player and re-capture the analog output just so I can import them as a .wav
>file. I also can't seem to find a utility that will convert MP3 to .wav !
>Please let me know how you did it - there's a whole world of music available
>in MP3 at reasonable cost that I can't access!
>
>regards
>
>Randy Quimpo
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bret Aguilar [mailto:aguilaba@46506.com]
>
>mp3.com is an excellent source. Since most of the music there is being
>given away free, just send the band an email and ask 'em if you can use
>their music in a video. I've done several skateboard videos and used cool
>stuff from mp3.com.
>
>The music is grouped by genre and you can also search by title.
>
>Bret Aguilar
>
__________________________________
www.edsamail.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:15:31 -0400
From: Saman Faraz
To:
Subject: RE: Warm colors
Message-ID:
You need to do a manual white balance because you want the white balance to
be locked to the view of the world as seen through the gel. When you remove
the gel it will then be correspondingly warmer or cooler (depending on the
gel color used).
Automatic whiteblance will automatically readjust to the non-gel view of the
world, defeating the purpose of the exercise.
What are gels? Gels are the things that are put over lights to make the
light colored. As someone mentioned, they are plastic sheets. Roscoe and
Lee are two of the manufacturers.
hth,
Saman
> I'm sorry, why have I to do a manual white balance?
> I think I could do a automatic white balance.
> Is it so?
>
> thanks Fogar
>>> my preferred method is to use colored gels over the lens when white
>> balancing and then remove then shoot through an unfiltered lens. It gives a
>> lot more control over the degree of warmth/coolness - by selecting subtly
>> different gels to white balance through.
>>
>> So, in your case,
>>
>> 1) point the camera at a white card to do a manual white balance
>> 2) hold a BLUE gel over the lens (the darker the blue, the warmer
>> the image will be - I'd go with a 1/8th blue and experiment from
>> there)
>> 3) do the white balance
>> 4) shoot as you normally would
>>
>> In order to give the image a blue (cooler) tint, then use an orange gel
>> instead of a blue gel for the white balance step. Try it, it opens up lots
>> of options and is faster, but less flexible, than doing it in post.
>>
>> Saman
>>> Hello,
>>> I have got a miniDV camera (Sony PC5 with one CCD) and I don't like
>>> its image quality. It is a cold image. What filter could I use to heat
>>> and to obtain a full colour of the image?
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Try the 81B filter. It warms up tones very well without skewing all the
>>> colors.
>>>
>>> -joseph
>>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:33:58 -0400
From: "Phil Pratt"
To:
Subject: Re: Questions about Sony PD 150
Message-ID: <008501c0ea9f$84483c00$6501a8c0@triad.rr.com>
>
> Could someone please tell me how to output color bars from the PD 150?
Press the "menu" button. Under "etc"-others scroll down to "color bars".
Press the wheel on the back of the camera, select "on".
>
> Also, how do I lower the volume on the microphone?
Press menu. Scroll down to "tape set". Press the dial. Scroll down to "audio
set". Press the dial and turn off ACG to both channels. Then press the
"audio level" button on the back of the cam and set to desired levels.
Hope that helps.
>
> Again, sorry for the stupid questions. Any information will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George W. Fisher
> Prague, Cz
>
>
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:32:34 -0400
From: Geoff Amthor
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV Decks with XLR interface?
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010601093103.00ae4ff0@mail.mindspring.com>
> >I've been looking at VTR specs and don't see any
> >mention of XLR audio interface support on either the
> >Sony DSR-11 or DSR-30. Do these decks have RCA only?
> >What DV decks support XLR?
> >--Doug
>
>DSR-40, if I remember correctly.
Also the Sony DSR-50, a nice portable deck.
If you're not too price sensitive, the DSR-1500 and DSR-2000 have XLR I/O,
though you may have to add this as an option.
Geoff
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:37:17 +0200
From: "Drakes"
To:
Subject: RE: Questions about Sony PD 150
Message-ID: <001801c0ea9f$fb418a50$0a01a8c0@ATHLON>
Thanks, you're a life-saver!
Sincerely,
George W. Fisher
Prague, Cz
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Pratt [mailto:ppratt@triad.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 15:34
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Questions about Sony PD 150
>
> Could someone please tell me how to output color bars from the PD 150?
Press the "menu" button. Under "etc"-others scroll down to "color bars".
Press the wheel on the back of the camera, select "on".
>
> Also, how do I lower the volume on the microphone?
Press menu. Scroll down to "tape set". Press the dial. Scroll down to
"audio
set". Press the dial and turn off ACG to both channels. Then press the
"audio level" button on the back of the cam and set to desired levels.
Hope that helps.
>
> Again, sorry for the stupid questions. Any information will be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George W. Fisher
> Prague, Cz
>
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:38:57 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DV Vs. 601(too much information)(Diving deeper . . . oh no!)
Message-ID:
>
>
>: You can send a compressed or
>: uncompressed signal via SDI.
>
>Can you confirm that? I do believe that SDI is for uncompressed only,
Well, I didn't want to dive this deep (a book's worth), but I was
hinting at the 4X versions
(you mentioned) that Sony and Panasonic (?) have for transfering DV .
The other thing is
once the SDI signal is compressed (say once captured into the computer) and
when the final product is sent back to the tape machine via SDI, even
though that signal
is technically uncompressed, all the macro blocks of pixels from
compression are still there,
along with all the artifacts ;( So SDI is an "uncompressed"
signal, but NOT pristine.
Maybe Adam Wilt could describe what the waveform of a DV (4:1:1@ 5:1
8bit) signal would
look like when transcoded to "uncompressed" SDI. I'm sure it's no
where as complex
as a "uncompressed" digital betacam signal (4:2:2 @ 2:1 10bit).
j"who cares what it is, what's the image look like on a TV set?"merser
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID: <20010601134326.67855.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com>
> QuickTime Pro. $30
Winamp. Free.
it takes a little bit of searching, but you can set winamp not to
output through the speakers. There's a "wave out" setting...
I don't have a copy of winamp on this computer, otherwise I'd give you
more specific details.
Wes
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:03:07 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID:
on 6/1/01 4:08 AM, Keith at yakkei2@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> Actually, I read not too long ago that their overall, worldwide market share
> had crept up from 3% to a bit over 5% since 1998. Certainly not a rocket
> shot upward, but not fading fast, either.
The 3-5% market share is probably true in the overall scheme of things, but
I would multiply this figure by 10 in video, estimating 30-50%, and maybe
70-80% or more in graphic arts for print production.
If you look at revenue figures for Adobe, Mac is still holding its own. The
Mac market rewards software developers who create top quality software - it
is big business. At the same time, the Mac market is not big enough to
sustain 12 titles deep in every category. That's ok with me, because it is
the crap that dies.
The Macintosh continues to give birth to high quality cross-over titles.
(Many PC users would be stunned to realize that the Macintosh gave birth to
Microsoft Office - Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.) If I had software
development ambitions, I would develop for Mac first. It is a great test
market, and you can fly in under the radar and complete sea trials without
catching attention from big fish competitors in the PC field. If you think
about it, this is *exactly* what Microsoft did back when they were only an
OS company with application market aspirations. And where are the high and
mighty now: Ashton-Tate, Lotus, Borland, and Word Perfect? Looking back, how
many of these deceased* companies took Macintosh development seriously?
(* Deceased - dead or nearly dead, at least as free-standing enterprises.)
I think that Mac representation with mail order retail is disproportionatly
high. Most of the major mail order houses have solid Macintosh operations. I
can name a half dozen major mail order houses that publish thick
Macintosh-only catalogs -- they fill my mail box.
Where Mac hurts is at retail. You simply will not find Macs in every office
supply store, and the number of software titles carried in places like
CompUSA is poor (although I have found some excellent buys -- probably
trying to incentive more Mac retail).
It is possible for PC users to shop PC only stores, and it is true that
every city has some sort of geek PC parts-bucket wholesaler operation
selling hot-rod parts for the do-it-yourself geeks and hackers who build
their own computers. These kind of places exist for Mac users too, here and
there, but it is easy to see why the PC crowd who hangs out in places like
this would think that the Mac no longer exists.
That would be very wrong logic, however.
Danny Grizzle
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:07:19 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID: <000601c0eaa4$2c5c3370$4423a8c0@dell420>
Premiere 6 imports MP3 files. Plus I recommend Sound Forge 5 - great tool
for fixing, resampling and converting MP3 that are noisy etc.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:14:14 -0400
From: jmortensen
To:
Subject: Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Message-ID:
on 5/31/01 1:46 PM, Richard Lin at Richard@3forces.com wrote:
> By far one of the best solutions for working with Macs and PC's on the sa=
me
> network is to get an NT or Win2K Server box.
> They can be had for about $1500 or so. Once on the network, your Mac's A=
ND
> PC's can coexist, share files, etc.
> We do this all the time.
Even cheaper,(and better IMHO) is a cobalt qube server.
-john
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:27:06 +0000
From: Fogar
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Warm colors
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010601142144.02f62f98@popmail.libero.it>
I'm sorry but I don't understand.
If I do an automatic white balance with a blue filter
every time I to turn on the videocamera I will not have problems.
What do you think?
thanks Fogar
>You need to do a manual white balance because you want the white balance to
>be locked to the view of the world as seen through the gel. When you remove
>the gel it will then be correspondingly warmer or cooler (depending on the
>gel color used).
>
>Automatic whiteblance will automatically readjust to the non-gel view of the
>world, defeating the purpose of the exercise.
>
>What are gels? Gels are the things that are put over lights to make the
>light colored. As someone mentioned, they are plastic sheets. Roscoe and
>Lee are two of the manufacturers.
>
>hth,
>Saman
>
> > I'm sorry, why have I to do a manual white balance?
> > I think I could do a automatic white balance.
> > Is it so?
> >
> > thanks Fogar
> >>> my preferred method is to use colored gels over the lens when white
> >> balancing and then remove then shoot through an unfiltered lens. It
> gives a
> >> lot more control over the degree of warmth/coolness - by selecting subtly
> >> different gels to white balance through.
> >>
> >> So, in your case,
> >>
> >> 1) point the camera at a white card to do a manual white balance
> >> 2) hold a BLUE gel over the lens (the darker the blue, the warmer
> >> the image will be - I'd go with a 1/8th blue and experiment from
> >> there)
> >> 3) do the white balance
> >> 4) shoot as you normally would
> >>
> >> In order to give the image a blue (cooler) tint, then use an orange gel
> >> instead of a blue gel for the white balance step. Try it, it opens up
> lots
> >> of options and is faster, but less flexible, than doing it in post.
> >>
> >> Saman
> >>> Hello,
> >>> I have got a miniDV camera (Sony PC5 with one CCD) and I don't like
> >>> its image quality. It is a cold image. What filter could I use to heat
> >>> and to obtain a full colour of the image?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ...Try the 81B filter. It warms up tones very well without skewing
> all the
> >>> colors.
> >>>
> >>> -joseph
> >>
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:31:49 EDT
From: ZEN99@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #873
Message-ID: <89.78276db.28490155@aol.com>
Am burning DVD's with apples 733 g-4. Using iMovie2. Lots of ram. 9.1 0S.
On short projects synch is fine, on 45 minute project the lip synch drifts.
Any suggestions?
John
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:59:27 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <6B923FE5894@vilas.uwex.edu>
Masi asked about dissolves vs. cuts.
Both have their place, to be sure, but as an editor I tend towards
well-timed cuts (often with overlapping or underlapping audio or
video, which are called L- or J-cuts) over dissolves.
Dissolves are quite useful if you want to visually denote the
passage of time or place.
And of course, there's the old adage "If you can't resolve
it...dissolve it."
Hope this helps -
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:02:42 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Audio for Video (was: DV Decks with XLR interface?)
Message-ID:
on 6/1/01 2:14 AM, Douglas White at dvdoug@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've been looking at VTR specs and don't see any
> mention of XLR audio interface support on either the
> Sony DSR-11 or DSR-30. Do these decks have RCA only?
> What DV decks support XLR?
This seems like a big deal, but it is probably not.
I bought a Tascam US-428, which has 4 line level inputs. That gets audio
inside my computer. From there, the mix can go to the DSR-11 via Firewire.
No need for analog audio in to the video deck.
The DSR-11 does have unbalanced -10dBf audio I/O. This is not "pro" standard
XLR, but not a big deal either, in most project studio applications, where
long cable runs are not a factor.
For the price of a DSR-40, you can get a DSR-11 plus your choice of many
digital audio interfaces. Here's the ones I would look at:
----------------------------------
Tascam US-428 (+ Mackie 1402 VLZ-PRO)
I have reservations about this USB buss device, but I bought one to use with
my PowerBook. It is cheap and portable. An added bonus is you get a MIDI
interface and a control surface that works great with Cubase. The sound
quality is great, but you won't get big-board I/O due to the constraints of
USB bandwidth. No phantom power on the Mic inputs. I also bought a Mackie
1402 VLZ-PRO analog mixer. The mic preamps alone justify the price, and the
mixer is frequently used on location in Hollywood theatrical work. So I've
got lots of mix-and-match pieces, all with field bags, that will allow me to
deal with almost anything.
----------------------------------
MOTU 828 Firewire Digital Audio Interface
Mark of the Unicorn builds some incredible digital audio I/O hardware at
breakthrough prices. They have been driving the market for native audio for
several years. This is great stuff, but is intended for rack mount in studio
applications only.
----------------------------------
Yamaha AW4416
This is almost the audio box of my dreams. Basically a Yamaha 01V digital
mixer with motorized faders, with an added hard disk recorder. A true
freestanding "Digital Audio Workstation", the AW4416 was designed primarily
for musicians, like a super PortaStudio.
I have confirmed the following limitations that killed it for me, so far as
audio-for-video production is concerned:
+ MIDI implementation will not support use of the AW4416 as
a control surface. According to whoever returned my e-mail
from Yamaha technical support, the AW4416 cannot be
adapted for use as a control surface for computer audio
software like Cubase, FCP, Premiere, Nuendo, or ProTools.
+ The AW4416's mini-YGDAI (expansion bay) does not yet have
compatibility with Yamaha's own mLAN system, so no Firewire
just yet, although the AW4416 has cards supporting just
about every other I/O format, analog & digital.
BTW - it appears the Yamaha 01V digital mixer has been discontinued. I don't
see it on their website today... This was a cool mixer, but the motorized
faders made too much noise for field use. The AW4416 has much quieter
faders. I would be surprised if we don't see a new project-studio class
digital mixer from Yamaha - they've been making these *far* longer than
anyone else (they demo'd one at a SMPTE chapter meeting I hosted in the late
80's).
----------------------------------
Metric Halo - Mobile I/O
This is the one I would look at long and hard. Metric Halo is a well
regarded ultra high-end audio software company, and this is their first
hardware product. Firewire based, and portable to match a laptop. I heard
about this device on the Cinema Audio Society BBS, where all the Hollywood
soundmen hang out. This may be the killer product that eliminates Nagra and
Timecode DAT in favor of hard disk-based location audio recording.
----------------------------------
Steinberg Nuendo
Steinberg is the Cubase VST company, and Nuendo is their audio-for-video
package. It is shipping now for PC, and I saw a very mature Mac late beta at
NAB. According to some audio post guys I have talked to, this may be the
killer native* audio app for video, the ProTools killer.
Steinberg has also announced a control surface, the "Houston Controller"
that has motorized faders. It looks nice, but details are spotty, although
retail is set somewhere around $1,500. They weren't showing it at NAB - I
wouldn't hold my breath for delivery.
*"Native" audio applications are those that run on modern CPUs with
off-the-shelf hardware, as opposed to Digidesign ProTools, which requires
dedicated and expensive PCI cards and DSP processors. A good analogy is Avid
vs. Final Cut Pro, compared to ProTools vs. Nuendo.
----------------------------------
Danny Grizzle
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:06:27 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org,DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010601110337.03818380@mail.speakeasy.org>
>How the heck do you use this MP3 file in your editing system? Neither
>Canopus nor Premiere import MP3. And I am loath to play them from an MP3
There are several freeware cd rippers that will convert among formats. I
currently use CDEX (http://www.cdex.n3.net/).
And while both Premiere6 and MSP6 will take an mp3 to the timeline, I find
both to have infrequent, and difficult to notice, glitches. I always
archive as mp3 but convert to wav just before using them in a project.
------------------------------
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:44:44 +0100
From: Bevis R W King
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV Decks with XLR interface?
Message-ID: <991410284.8349.18.camel@terreis.ee.surrey.ac.uk>
On 01 Jun 2001 09:32:34 -0400, Geoff Amthor wrote:
> Also the Sony DSR-50, a nice portable deck.
Actually I think that's probably the only "true" answer in that the
DSR-50 does actually support DV SP record and so is a "true" DV
deck. All the other XLR equiped DVCAM and DVCpro decks support
DV playback only, not record.
If you want to include the other DVCAM decks the older DSR-60/80/85
all had XLR, as do the current DSR-1600/1800/2000 series. I know
the "desktop" DVCpro decks AD-J230 and AD-J250 don't have XLR but
I believe it's standard on the 400 and 600 series DVCpro decks.
> If you're not too price sensitive, the DSR-1500 and DSR-2000 have XLR I/O,
> though you may have to add this as an option.
Regards, Bevis.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:00:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: What filter to have warmer colours?
Message-ID: <20010601160043.20983.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
Try a Tiffen 812, or a #1 Chocolate, or a #1 Coral.
Or, hold a piece of 1/4 blue gel over your lens when
you white balance...that will take some of the blue
out, but be careful because it might take out too
much.
--- Fogar wrote:
> Hello,
> I have got a miniDV camera (Sony PC5 with one CCD)
> and I don't like
> its image quality. It is a cold image. What filter
> could I use to heat
> and to obtain a full colour of the image?
>
> thanks Fogar
>
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:17:45 -0700
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010601091715.03849d90@mail.3forces.com>
Yep, after my post, I also remember about Quantum's Snap Server.
Richard Lin
At 10:14 AM 6/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
>on 5/31/01 1:46 PM, Richard Lin at Richard@3forces.com wrote:
>
> > By far one of the best solutions for working with Macs and PC's on the same
> > network is to get an NT or Win2K Server box.
> > They can be had for about $1500 or so. Once on the network, your Mac's AND
> > PC's can coexist, share files, etc.
> > We do this all the time.
>
>Even cheaper,(and better IMHO) is a cobalt qube server.
>
>-john
>_____________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:17:27 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Re: Jay Rose DV Sound Book
Message-ID:
Amazon link:
Danny Grizzle
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Smith
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP capture takes atleast 30 seconds to start capture video
Message-ID: <32558222.991412275608.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com>
On Thu, 17 May 2001 23:02:47 -0000, DV-L@dvcentral.org wrote:
> My FCP capture takes atleast 30 seconds to start capture
Partition your drive. Set one partition big enough to capture a good amount
of clips but not huge. It is the large amount of space on the drive that
causes it to take so long. I had the same problem with a 120 gig scsi
array. I partitioned 10 gigs to be the capture drive and the capture now
function responds immediately. RTS
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:37:08 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Subject: RE: storm motherboard and cpu
Message-ID:
VIA is working on their own SMP-capable Athlon chipset, but they are waiting
for AMD to plow the field before they sow seed. VIA has said their chipset
isn't likely until 2002, and there's no guarantee that they'll
follow-through with it.
Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
Krysalis Productions
incubating creativity . . .
Web Development | Video & Animation | Editing Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Haynie [mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:21 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: storm motherboard and cpu
> AMD isn't necessarily the only company doing SMP Athlons, either. But
> it looks like they're be first, and they'll be going for performance,
> which is what they should be doing. They're not planning more than 2-way
> SMP for the Athlon, probably due to the fairly large size of the EV6 bus,
> as well as the unproven (for AMD) higher-end market. The x86-64 chips,
> using HyperTransport rather than EV6, will get 8+ way support from AMD.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:43:40 +0100
From: "Julian Luttrell"
To:
Subject: Problem with DSR-11
Message-ID:
Hi,
I have a DSR-11 and I want to use a monitor on the composite output to see
the OSD and monitor the video content. The problem is that I cannot get any
composite output to appear on the monitor! I've tried this with two DSR-11
decks - neither gives me composite, but both give me svideo. Is there a
trick to get this to work?
Any advice galdly received!
Julian Luttrell
Luttrell Associates
julianl@luttrell.co.uk
07979 757215
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:54:07 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Audio for Video (was: DV Decks with XLR interface?)
Message-ID: <3B17C8AF.87237BCB@pacbell.net>
Danny Grizzle wrote:
> on 6/1/01 2:14 AM, Douglas White at dvdoug@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> This seems like a big deal, but it is probably not.
>
> I bought a Tascam US-428, which has 4 line level inputs. That gets audio
> inside my computer. From there, the mix can go to the DSR-11 via Firewire.
> No need for analog audio in to the video deck.
>
> The DSR-11 does have unbalanced -10dBf audio I/O. This is not "pro" standard
> XLR, but not a big deal either, in most project studio applications, where
> long cable runs are not a factor.
>
> For the price of a DSR-40, you can get a DSR-11 plus your choice of many
> digital audio interfaces. Here's the ones I would look at:
Also check out the USBPre
http://www.sounddevices.com/usbpremaster.htm
This is really small and the company that makes it is known for high quality audio preamps. The Metric Halo device looks pretty cool due to it's 8 ballanced I/O's portable multichannel for
inexpensive.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:56:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Problem with DSR-11
Message-ID: <200106011656.LAA08505@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I have a DSR-11 and I want to use a monitor on the composite output to see
>the OSD and monitor the video content. The problem is that I cannot get any
>composite output to appear on the monitor! I've tried this with two DSR-11
>decks - neither gives me composite, but both give me svideo. Is there a
>trick to get this to work?
>Julian Luttrell
Sounds like a connection problem to me. There is always video output
on that connector, even if it is just black level. Try a different
monitor and/or cables.
MB
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programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:13:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org (DV-L Mail List)
Subject: A thank you to Bruce
Message-ID: <200106011813.NAA08979@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
I want to publically thank Bruce A. Johnson for helping me with equipment
and manpower last Saturday. It was my daughter's wedding and it was an
outside affair in one of the gardens in the city of Madison.
She is all happy that the day went off real well. Ah, what she doesn't
know :-)
Thanks again Bruce.
MB
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programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:18:21 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: A thank you to Bruce
Message-ID:
>I want to publically thank Bruce A. Johnson for helping me with equipment
>and manpower last Saturday. It was my daughter's wedding and it was an
>outside affair in one of the gardens in the city of Madison.
>
>She is all happy that the day went off real well. Ah, what she doesn't
>know :-)
>
>Thanks again Bruce.
Hey Bruce,
My step sister in law is getting married in Madison in late August . . . :)
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:29:28 -0400
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID:
On 6/1/01 7:35 AM, Randy Quimpo got thrown off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Unfortunately, the editing process is so dependent on operator
> skill that ultimately the machine doesn't matter at all - its the editor's
> skill that counts.
Oooo.... that's good. I gotta remember that.
Keith
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:31:01 -0700
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID:
At 6:43 am -0700 1/6/01, wes chow wrote:
> > QuickTime Pro. $30
>
>Winamp. Free.
>
ImportExportMovie. Free. Open Source. Whatever. Cheapskate.
http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/Sample_Code/QuickTime/Importers_and_Exporters/ImportExportMovie.htm
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:38:41 -0400
From: Daniel Woodard
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Message-ID:
>on 5/31/01 1:46 PM, Richard Lin at Richard@3forces.com wrote:
>
>> By far one of the best solutions for working with Macs and PC's on the same
>> network is to get an NT or Win2K Server box.
>> They can be had for about $1500 or so. Once on the network, your Mac's AND
>> PC's can coexist, share files, etc.
>> We do this all the time.
>
>Even cheaper,(and better IMHO) is a cobalt qube server.
>
And even cheaper and better (IMHO) than that is a Linux server
running SAMBA and Netatalk. I can't heap enough praise on my 2 linux
servers- they also run apache, php4, mySQL, ftp, ssh2, firewall,
route, etc. Unbelievable once you get into it.
--
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:58:26 -0700
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP capture takes atleast 30 seconds to start capture video
Message-ID:
At 11:03 am -0400 18/5/01, JasperKlausner@aol.com wrote:
>I may bell be that the software has to preallocate a file for the captured
>video big enough to hold before the capture starts. These files are typically
>VERY large and preallocating them can take 30 sec easily.
On an HFS disk, the sequence grabber will try to preallocate the
whole drive unless told otherwise by the application. If the drive is
bug and fragmented and the disk driver is inefficient this can take a
while. It was improved in 9.1.
Partitioning drives and erasing partitions between projects is a good
idea - fragmented files are more likely to cause dropped frames
anyway.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:43:11 -0700
From: "Felix Gallo"
To:
Subject: Re: Best Production Music?
Message-ID: <005201c0eaf4$a3cf5e50$19992b04@cats>
Kevin Marks, of Apple, writes:
> [ Randy Quimpo writes: ]
> >How the heck do you use this MP3 file in your editing system? Neither
> >Canopus nor Premiere import MP3. And I am loath to play them from an MP3
> >player and re-capture the analog output just so I can import them as a
.wav
> >file. I also can't seem to find a utility that will convert MP3 to .wav !
> >Please let me know how you did it - there's a whole world of music
available
> >in MP3 at reasonable cost that I can't access!
>
> QuickTime Pro. $30
Winamp, free:
Start winamp. Hit control-P. Choose 'Plugins .. Output' in the
left pane. In the right pane, choose 'Nullsoft Disk Writer plug-in'.
Choose 'Configure' at the bottom of the window to set it up.
A file chooser box will appear, asking you where the output
wav files should go. Select the appropriate directory. Choose
OK. Choose Close. Now, play an MP3 file using Winamp,
and instead of playing it to your outputs, it will play to a wav
file on disk.
You'll need to switch your Output plugin back to whatever it was
to hear MP3s on your outputs.
Felix
fsg@cumulonimbus.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:44:38 -0700
From: "Felix Gallo"
To:
Subject: Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Message-ID: <005801c0eaf4$d2cc7b70$19992b04@cats>
Daniel Woodard writes:
>Richard Lin at Richard@3forces.com wrote:
> >Even cheaper,(and better IMHO) is a cobalt qube server.
>
> And even cheaper and better (IMHO) than that is a Linux server
> running SAMBA and Netatalk.
... which is what the Cobalt Qube servers are. :)
Felix
fsg@cumulonimbus.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:17:21 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Links page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010601171458.0207c330@mail.ulti-media.com>
As long as I'm participating in the list I would like to make my "Links"
page available to the group...
Lots of useful information there and updated regularly. Bookmark it...
http://www.ulti-media.com/links.htm
Enjoy,
Thanks,
Andy
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:01:21 -0500
From: Russ Coffman
To: ,
Felix Gallo
Subject: Re: Best Production Music?
Message-ID:
>> QuickTime Pro. $30
>
> Winamp, free:
Well, I guess they know what it's worth compared to QuickTime Pro. :)
I'm making a simulation of one of those voice-synthesized answering machines
like in the movie Swingers - "You have zero messages. No one ever calls you.
You have no life," or words to that effect (OK, I'm stealing the idea).
Simple and free on a Mac, choice of 25 voices that ship with the OS. How do
you convert text to a sound file on Windows? For free? I have a dual-Pentium
Dell PeeCee with W2K Advanced Server but don't see any Speech control panel.
How do you get NotePad to proofread text aloud like the free SimpleText on
the Mac has done since the last century?
Mac users - get the free app that does this at
http://www.macadillo.com/ATW/Downloads/, QuickSpeech file. There may be
other ways but this works fine. I had fun making a robotic "All your base
are belong to us" sound with it. You're cool if you get that ref. :)
Enjoy,
Russ Coffman
http://www.macadillo.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:58:06 -0700
From: "Felix Gallo"
To:
Subject: Re: Best Production Music?
Message-ID: <00cd01c0eb07$7821e6c0$19992b04@cats>
Russ writes:
> I have a dual-Pentium Dell PeeCee with W2K Advanced Server but
> don't see any Speech control panel.
I hope there's no speech control panel on Mac OS X server, either,
or on any other system with 'server' in the name.
> How do you get NotePad to proofread text aloud like the free SimpleText on
> the Mac has done since the last century?
Here's 12 engines that purport to do that:
http://www.speechtech.net/html/download.php?dcategory=Text-to-Speech&sortby=
Here's another 16:
http://www.utoronto.ca/atrc/reference/tech/textspeech.html#Windows
Here's another one which is said to have excellent quality:
http://www.readplease.com/
Here's another one which uses the Microsoft tech, which I
understand is built into Windows now:
http://cyberbuddy.terrashare.com/
Here's the raw Microsoft interface, which includes, weirdly
and frighteningly enough, a speech control panel:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/imedia/agent/agentdl.asp
Here's an on-line version that does what your app does, with
arguably higher quality:
http://www.research.att.com/~mjm/cgi-bin/ttsdemo
And here's a search engine where typing 'text to speech'
resulted in over 200 hits for PC software, most of which
also appeared to do what your app does, several with
more features.
http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/search.html
In the event that you're using a Linux box, here's an old
but moderately successful system for doing TTS:
http://leb.net/pub/blinux/doc/blinux/my-tts-linux.txt
> I had fun making a robotic "All your base
> are belong to us" sound with it. You're cool if you get that ref. :)
No comment. :) By the way, I don't mean to be mean when
I point out that these other apps are more powerful than yours,
just to highlight that you should do your research before
boasting about your program. :)
By the way, a slightly less 'hokey' method for doing computerized
voices is to run voice through a mild vocoder -- for which there
are a number of good VST and DirectX plugins for Windows,
and one excellent one ('Orange', I think?) for Mac.
Peace,
Felix
fsg@cumulonimbus.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:01:16 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010601215815.00aaa4a0@pop.compuserve.com>
At 12:54 AM 6/1/01 -0700, you wrote:
>To those of you who have been doing film/video for a while, is there a
>formula to placing either cross-fade transitions or just the plain old
>abrupt transition.
The basic rule in film is cuts for everything unless there is motivation
for an effect. Dissolves are generally used to denote passage of time or
change of place. In docs they are often used without motivation just to
smooth transition from one image to another, but I think they are often
OVERUSED.
I have an article about using transitions professionally at:
http://www.greatdv.com/post/transitions.htm
Hope this helps!
John Jackman
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:03:40 -0700
From: "John Seghers"
To:
Subject: Re: 3d motion tracking in-camera (was Re: *** CAMERA MANUFACTURERS LISTEN UP ***)
Message-ID: <0d0e01c0eb08$3f0100f0$6401a8c0@crossgain.com>
From: "Richard Lin"
> But want something that will relieve much of the problems with motion tracking,
> or give low budget filmmakers a sense of what motion controlled photography is all about, hey
> why not?
Perhaps I'm thinking of something else, not being a professional in this area, but I think
that there are two completely different things being talked about here.
I'm seeing motion tracking (which is what in-camera position sensing will get you)
conflated with motion control which, to my understanding, is something completely
different.
Motion control is the type of automated camera motion that was pioneered by George Lucas
in the original Star Wars, where a motion path in 3-space is defined for the camera and
the computer moves the camera along that path while the film (or tape) is rolling. This gets
you a specific motion shot that you are desiring. This requires extensive computer-controlled
camera mounts (which with smaller and lighter cameras these are likely to get less expensive
over time).
Motion capture, on the other hand, is where you can determine where the camera was
(and as others have commented, what the lens settings are) during a shot. This allows
for more accurate compositing I would imagine, as well as other interesting things about
which I know very little :). This can be done with the dead-reckoning type of systems
that were being discussed, and with the software package that was mentioned.
- John
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Douglas White
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: firewire drives(oxford chipset)
Message-ID: <20010602022728.64013.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi,
Does anyone know of a firewire drive with the oxford
(911) chipset that works both with the XpressDV2's NT
system and also FCP2's MacG4?
Thanks.
--Doug
--- jhogg wrote:
> I think you can use a Firewire hub with the drive
> and DV device connected
> to it. If not, I'd like to hear what others think,
> as that is what I'm
> thinking about using in the near future.
>
> As far as Firewire drives, make sure you get a drive
> with the oxford
> chipset. You can buy an encloser and put in an ATA
> drive yourself. The
> enclosers are available from Other World Computing
> (www.macsales.com)
> and Granite Digital (www.granitedigital.com)
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:27:35 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <002e01c0eb0b$968bb600$4423a8c0@dell420>
various traditionalists wrote...
"The basic rule in film..."
Thank God "Griffith, Chaplin, Keaton, Renoir, Eisenstein, Welles,
Rossellini, Godard, Lang, Mernau, Kubrick, Tarkovsky, and thousands of
others" broke rules over and over again. Otherwise we'd still be watching
static single shots of trains arriving in stations.
Any idiot can read a film or video production book and follow the rules. But
who wants to watch that? Viewers are changing faster than you might think.
While I do strongly recommend understanding the history of visual
grammar/language - also read "Sculpting in Time" by Tarkovsky. I'm finishing
it myself and it's by far the best book I've read on film. While he has his
own rules - that what it's about. Having your own truth and vision. I don't
care if you make wedding videos or experimental flash graphics. You're not
going to be that interesting or successful for very long following some
else's rules.
Cinema and film/video stuff in general is an infant art form. Stop acting
like a bunch of stuffed fuddy duddies and let it grow up. The next 100 years
will be really exciting if it's allowed to develop.
This whole thread reminds me of my favorite exchange from Amadeus:
Emperor Joseph II: Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there are
simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Which few did you have in mind, Majesty?
stephen (actually trying to start a flame war ;)
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-HAL
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:29:08 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: FCP vs Premiere WAS: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010601222313.00aaaa60@pop.compuserve.com>
At 12:54 AM 6/1/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I know of people replacing their avids with FCP. Premiere is not in
>the same league.
Earlier in this post, you make the statement "I have not tried
6.0" Suggest you refrain from continuing this thread until you have worked
-- with an open mind -- with Prem 6.0.
Also suggest that these software wars, just like the thinly disguised
associated platform wars, are totally unproductive and shed no light.
John Jackman
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:35:22 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010601221230.00aa0090@pop.compuserve.com>
IMHO this thread has entirely worn out its welcome. One of the rules of
the DV-L is NO PLATFORM WARS. Common DV-L Law, subsection 3, part IV, Rule #4.
Most of the posts under this thread have been nothing but, not even
bothering with a thin veil.
John "I get SO tired of this" Jackman
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <20010602024224.65936.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com>
> This whole thread reminds me of my favorite exchange from Amadeus:
>
> Emperor Joseph II: Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And
> there are
> simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be
> perfect.
>
> Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Which few did you have in mind, Majesty?
interesting... several months back we had this "discussion" about
overuse of effects and I quoted another line from Amadeus (the one
about Mozart's predecessors being so stuck up that they "shit marble").
Of course, of the two quotes, I prefer the more vulgar one. But "too
many notes!" is good too...
I just finished watching Traffic on DVD, and there was this scene in
which one of the teenage boys ODs. Just before this, the kids are
having a drugged up conversation in which the different shots would
normally have been strewn together with cuts. Instead, editor Stephen
Mirrione (who got an Oscar for his work on Traffic) used dissolves to
go from one shot to the next. In this situation, they did not stand
for the passage of time or place, but rather the high state of mind the
kids were in.
Wes
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 19:28:34 -0700
From: Doug Yelmen
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID:
i am doing a documentary. i just finished an intro to film class, and
i used part of the interviews for the final project. i used all kinds
of dissolves. i just showed the class project to a friend last night.
i cringed throughout the whole thing. won't be using all those
dissolves in the future. '-)
i haven't read the article below yet, but i will. so, thank you.
doug
>At 12:54 AM 6/1/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>To those of you who have been doing film/video for a while, is there a
>>formula to placing either cross-fade transitions or just the plain old
>>abrupt transition.
>
>The basic rule in film is cuts for everything unless there is
>motivation for an effect. Dissolves are generally used to denote
>passage of time or change of place. In docs they are often used
>without motivation just to smooth transition from one image to
>another, but I think they are often OVERUSED.
>
>I have an article about using transitions professionally at:
>
>http://www.greatdv.com/post/transitions.htm
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>John Jackman
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:56:20 -0400
From: Daniel Woodard
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Using PCs and Macs on a network
Message-ID:
>Daniel Woodard writes:
>>Richard Lin at Richard@3forces.com wrote:
>> >Even cheaper,(and better IMHO) is a cobalt qube server.
>>
>> And even cheaper and better (IMHO) than that is a Linux server
>> running SAMBA and Netatalk.
>
>... which is what the Cobalt Qube servers are. :)
I just built a dual PIII500 running SuSE 7.1 with 256MB ECC RAM, a
30GB and 60GB hard drive with two ethernet cards.
Seems half $$$ as much as a Cube3 with a single processor and a 10GB HD.
My other Linux server is made from leftovers- a PII333 chip, 128MB of
mysterious SDRAM, and a 3ware IDE mirrored 45GB RAID card. Not a lick
of trouble in 2 years. Very cheap server.
But, at any rate, yes, any Linux solution over a W2k solution. I use
W2k Workstation and don't hate it, but for servers... Penguin power
all day every day.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:21:10 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <003101c0eb13$143b4af0$4423a8c0@dell420>
Wes - you made me laugh out loud for real, not LOL. Better quote than mine
for sure. (I need to get Amadeus on DVD - have not seen it in years).
Yeah, I noticed and enjoyed the editing on Traffic including that scene
which was well done.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:26:29 -0400
From: "John Haskins"
To:
Subject: I am free of the virus
Message-ID: <004d01c0eb13$d0dfae80$f5f051d1@core.com>
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But I am free of this crazy virus.
Now, back to digital video and the like.
By the way, whomever unsubscribed me, well, I understand. Someone =
even went so far as to call it the "John Haskins virus" - ouch. I =
didn't invent it and I don't know how I got it.
JDH
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:35:57 -0700
From: "Mark Williams"
To:
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
Message-ID: <001701c0eb15$235b4b00$19b01e18@socal.rr.com>
yea, I'am with you...who the f.......k cares.....just use the things and
stop preaching...
mark w
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jackman
To:
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Apple looking for speed?
> IMHO this thread has entirely worn out its welcome. One of the rules of
> the DV-L is NO PLATFORM WARS. Common DV-L Law, subsection 3, part IV,
Rule #4.
>
> Most of the posts under this thread have been nothing but, not even
> bothering with a thin veil.
>
> John "I get SO tired of this" Jackman
>
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:12:31 +0000
From: villas
To:
Subject: Re: I am free of the virus
Message-ID:
You are straight with me kid, keep on keepin' on.
When one decides to enter into this huge network called "Da Internet", one
signed an unwritten contract that stipulates that this is a natural hazard
that is part of the experience. Like life, you learn and move on. No need
to overreact. No one murdered anybody by email.
John T.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 21:20:43 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I am free of the virus
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010601211904.02088940@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 11:26 PM 6/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
I apologize to whom all it affected.
But I am free of this crazy virus.
Now, back to digital video and the like.
No sweat John. Too bad there isn't a way to send a pox back to the ******* who starts this **** in the first place...
Andy
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:10:15 -0600
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I am free of the virus
Message-ID:
Welcome back, John!
Nancy S.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:21:44 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: I am free of the virus
Message-ID: <003701c0eb1b$88811860$4423a8c0@dell420>
>No one murdered anybody by email.
yet...
stephen
www.xiveren.com
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-HAL
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:29:11 EDT
From: RobinBianchi@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with Sony's new TRV30 - opinions?
Message-ID:
I think I'm going to purchase one too. In a store I compared a TRv900 to the
TRV20 (the previous incarnation of the TRV20) and the TRV900 was richer. It's
professional quality --has zebra stripes for exposure, has the ability to
disable the automatic gain for the sound, but I want a smaller camera for
travel, home movies, plus. My logic is that if I were going to go 3-ship I'd
go the Sony PD150. I guess you've gone to this great website regarading the
TRV900.
http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/
I worked on a TV show that used the TRV20 (characters used it to shoot
footage) and it looked too good for broadcast to burn it in so we played it
back on a regular TV and shot it. Let me know when you get yours how it does.
RobinBianchi@aol.com
In a message dated 5/31/01 12:04:10 PM, Jeff_Newton@pmc-sierra.com writes:
<<
After much deliberation I think I'm going to purchase the new
TRV30 which will be available in June (at least in Canada). The
cost saving over the 900 is significant and TRV30 spec sheet
looks impressive enough to meet my needs. I'm a DV newbie but I
always like growing my abilities into my purchases so I hope the
TRV30 will enable me to do that.
I am curious about the video resolution performance differences
between the 3CCD cameras and the new TRV30. The TRV900, for
example, has 3 380k CCDs versus the TRV30 with 1 1500k CCD. How
much is actually used for video versus still resolution, though?
The TRV30 specs indicate 530 lines of resolution which sounds
pretty close to the 540 lines John Beales FAQ mentions for the
TRV900 so I wonder if the quality differences would be that
noticable. Having never owned a digital video camera I figured I
would ask the list. I suspect the 30 and 900 will eerform
identically in optimum conditions and the 900 will win out in low
light or not so ideal conditions.
I have to make a decision on the extended warranty. My camera
supplier doesn't push the warranty and claims anything covered
that is going to go wrong usually does so in the first year. Is
this true for things like tape-crinkle issues? Do buttons or
motors wear out on these devices?
Any and all advice is greatly appreciated! >>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:34:11 -0700
From: "danclark"
To:
Subject: RE: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <002a01c0eb1d$456e4f50$0a10fed8@dan>
Stephen,
Sorry to disappoint, but no flame war from me! However, I will
respectfully disagree with your post a bit...
I re-read Masi's original post. Sounds like he's a bit of a beginner.
I'm even more of a beginner. I love good editing. Problem is, I'm
learning the basics. I could experiment with four dozen different
transitions, but as a beginner I would waste a lot of time when a simple
cut or fade would give the best results AT MY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT.
Once I learn the basics, then I can try the more advanced stuff.
It's like any complex skill. Learn a good foundation of the basics,
then experiment like mad. Professionally, I'm a senior-level software
developer. I use advanced methods every day. But I use them at the
right time and place, in the right way. I've seen many young,
aggressive developers that hang themselves by trying to run when the
can't even crawl very well.
So please... Recognize that many beginners (like me) are not ready to
express our "...own truth and vision...". We'd like to, but the results
on the screen are not what is in our heads. Our lack of fundamentals
blocks our artistic expression, not enhances it. We need the basics.
Regards,
Dan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen van Vuuren [mailto:stephen@xiveren.com]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:28 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Cross-fade formula?
various traditionalists wrote...
"The basic rule in film..."
Thank God "Griffith, Chaplin, Keaton, Renoir, Eisenstein, Welles,
Rossellini, Godard, Lang, Mernau, Kubrick, Tarkovsky, and thousands of
others" broke rules over and over again. Otherwise we'd still be
watching static single shots of trains arriving in stations.
Any idiot can read a film or video production book and follow the rules.
But who wants to watch that? Viewers are changing faster than you might
think.
While I do strongly recommend understanding the history of visual
grammar/language - also read "Sculpting in Time" by Tarkovsky. I'm
finishing it myself and it's by far the best book I've read on film.
While he has his own rules - that what it's about. Having your own truth
and vision. I don't care if you make wedding videos or experimental
flash graphics. You're not going to be that interesting or successful
for very long following some else's rules.
Cinema and film/video stuff in general is an infant art form. Stop
acting like a bunch of stuffed fuddy duddies and let it grow up. The
next 100 years will be really exciting if it's allowed to develop.
This whole thread reminds me of my favorite exchange from Amadeus:
Emperor Joseph II: Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there
are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be
perfect.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Which few did you have in mind, Majesty?
stephen (actually trying to start a flame war ;)
www.xiveren.com
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:09:03 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Cross-fade formula?
Message-ID: <003a01c0eb22$24833d50$4423a8c0@dell420>
>It's like any complex skill. Learn a good foundation of the basics,
>then experiment like mad. Professionally, I'm a senior-level software
>developer. I use advanced methods every day. But I use them at the
>right time and place, in the right way. I've seen many young,
>aggressive developers that hang themselves by trying to run when the
>can't even crawl very well.
Sure, you have to know what rules you are breaking (i.e. fundamentals) and
it helps to know if someone has already broken them (history). But that is
not the spirit of the "traditionalists" arguing about the "right" way to use
a dissolve. They clearly think there is a "right" and "wrong" way to do
something and there are only certain "exceptions" for crackpot "artistic
types". I don't claim to be an "advanced" or "great" filmmaker. But it does
not take long for most f people to grasp visual grammar, especially if you
watch a lot of stuff.
My first film since film school (a short I'm close to finishing") is full of
broken rules, not because I want to be different etc. but simply to express
it they it works. I never stopped to think about it UNTIL all this crap
posted over the past months about the right way to use a dissolve or effects
etc. (my piece happens to have several dissolves within the same shot. Some
people love it, some hate it. I love it and that's what's important)
I'll with a quote from Tarkovsky's "Sculpting in Time" (what more
appropriate phrase for editing could there be?).
"There is no contradiction in the fact that I do nothing in particular to
please an audience yet hope fervently that my picture will be accepted and
loved by those who see it. The ambivalence of this position seems to me to
be at the very heart of the problem of artist and audience - a relationship
fraught with tension".
Don't be afraid to take creative risks. It's not rocket science, software
engineering or saving lives. If you "screw up", nobody dies (except your
ego). And since this is DV-L, it's all "undoable".
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It can only be attributable to human error"
-HAL
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:22:41 -0700
From: Richard Lin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: I am free of the virus
Message-ID: <3B187821.3128D5DF@3forces.com>
Hey John-
That was I who unsubscribed you. It was for the safety of the list.
Welcome back.
Richard Lin
editTRAIN.com
volunteer DV-L Admin
John Haskins wrote:
> I apologize to whom all it affected. But I am free of this crazy
> virus. Now, back to digital video and the like. By the way, whomever
> unsubscribed me, well, I understand. Someone even went so far as to
> call it the "John Haskins virus" - ouch. I didn't invent it and I
> don't know how I got it. JDHJohn Haskinsredflags@megsinet.net
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:45:43 -0500
From: "Kevin Triplett"
To:
Subject: RE: Best Production Music?
Message-ID:
A shameless plug...I have information on my website about using music with
video.
http://www.mopacmedia.com/misc/firstcom.html
Regards,
Kevin Triplett
Mopac Media
Austin, TX
512-576-1332
http://www.mopacmedia.com
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From: PlainJaneE@aol.com [mailto:PlainJaneE@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:49 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Best Production Music?
I've just about finished a project and decided it needs a little music for
background and scene transition here and there...nothing too upbeat or new
age, no salsa or country or hip hop beat, I just want some good background
to
support the voiceover. The theme in this news-style film is mental illness
in deaf people, so I need serious but not too dark, either.
Who has found a suitable collection along these lines, preferably something
that doesn't cost a fortune? Would appreciate referral to any particular
music offering URL or even a good source in general, as there seem to be
thousands!
Thanks for the help!
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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 01:35:18 -0500
From: Russ Coffman
To:
Subject: Re: Best Production Music?
Message-ID:
Felix Gallo retorted:
> Russ writes:
>> I have a dual-Pentium Dell PeeCee with W2K Advanced Server but
>> don't see any Speech control panel.
>
> I hope there's no speech control panel on Mac OS X server, either,
> or on any other system with 'server' in the name.
It's easier to turn off something you have than have to do a web search to
add something your computer or OS can't handle by itself, IMHO.
> No comment. :) By the way, I don't mean to be mean when
> I point out that these other apps are more powerful than yours,
> just to highlight that you should do your research before
> boasting about your program. :)
"Your app" (I didn't write it) doesn't just do text-to-speech. A lot of Mac
apps do that, even SimpleText, no biggie. What it does different is create a
SOUND FILE of the text that you can import directly into FCP. This saves
playing the text-to-speech to analog, recording it, and then digitizing it
back in. LOSSLESS. Simpler, faster. I bring this up because a lot of Mac
users don't know how to do this - I didn't for a long time. Plus, I haven't
been able to find this app on the usual download sites anymore, so that's
why I made it available on my Web site when this came up on another list. If
anyone knows of a better app, please advise. Maybe some high end sound app
does it?
To all: You can stop reading now if that were your only interest. :)
>> How do you get NotePad to proofread text aloud like the free SimpleText on
>> the Mac has done since the last century?
>
> Here's 12 engines that purport to do that:
...
The typical "ME TOO! ME TOO!" response to a feature that has existed on the
Mac since 1984 in many, many apps, some long forgotten. But the question was
about NotePad, the equivalent of SimpleText. I don't see any Speak All or
Speak Selection menu items in NotePad. It's mute.
That's one of the biggest problems with DOS (and Windows is just DOS to me,
sorry). It's an assemble-it-yourself OS and computer KIT. Which of these
proprietary hacks have you actually used? I used to work in a law office and
ordinary people there actually USED Apple text-to-speech technology for
proofreading - without doing a Web search for software and then installing
it first. I've never seen or heard of a DOS office that does that, but there
may be one with money to burn and nerds who know what DLLs make it happen
without causing other software to stop working. And don't forget that "sound
card." :) Some assembly required.
The other problem with all these proprietary hacks is that no one else
writes for them since they are not part of the OS. More Mac devs add speech
to their apps because every Mac shipped supports speech APIs and has for
years. Sound as part of the UI is more ubiquitous on the Mac because every
Mac since 1984 has it and therefore it's worth the programming effort. Few
DOS apps support sound because DOS computers don't all have sound and every
sound card, if present, is different (although many support the SoundBlaster
lowest common denominator API). Way back in the 1980s Mac mail programs had
different alert sounds for different message priorities while lesser
computers could only beep for years. It's better today, though. All things
come to those who wait, even to those who once said "Why do I need SOUND on
my computer?! Macs are toys!" HAHAHA!
As to all your proprietary examples, mostly simple text readers that do what
the Mac does as shipped, remember every Mac ships with AppleScript. You can
make your own apps. Just write
say "My mother wears combat boots."
or
say myTextVariable -- where the variable is set by the script
In long-running AppleScripts, I use speech to tell where I (or users) am in
the app - also handy for debugging. What is a given and commonplace on the
Mac for a decade or more often shocks DOS users. Sound is finally past the
novelty stage in the DOS world, ferinstance. Speech will be too, someday.
Everyone knows there are add-on, proprietary text-to-speech kludges for DOS.
My point was out of the box, nada. Mac OS even supports reading alert boxes
out loud right out of the box. No consultants or Web searches or DLLs or
extra hardware needed. And quantity does not equal quality. A lot of your
examples are "me too" text readers that do the same thing SimpleText and any
number of commercial Mac apps do out of the box. The infamous Talking Moose
is a novelty app similar to some of your fine examples and there are many
more. Is there a Speech button in the DOS WordPerfect toolbar? :) As I
recall, even WestLaw's Mac Premise legal search app supports speech. Final
Draft for Mac supports it out of the box, but the DOS version requires
additional software, I believe, and of course a "compatible" sound card
(yes, I know many/most DOS computers now come with someone's sound card -
whichever OEM's is cheapest this week). Bummer.
> By the way, a slightly less 'hokey' method for doing computerized
> voices is to run voice through a mild vocoder -- for which there
> are a number of good VST and DirectX plugins for Windows,
> and one excellent one ('Orange', I think?) for Mac.
Thanx, but I don't consider my way "hokey." I wanted a true
computer-sounding voice like an answering machine, not a Peter Frampton
imitation. Why fake it when you, or at least I, can do it for real?
> Here's an on-line version that does what your app does, with
> arguably higher quality:
Speculation on quality, no point. How do I use this in a video, as we were
supposedly discussing? As to quality, Macs ship with different
user-selectable voice qualities. Of the 25 free voices included, I actually
like the standard quality ones better. The others seem to be trying too hard
to sound natural.
Russ Coffman
http://www.macadillo.com
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 16:06:42 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Masi, what's happening on in Nepal?
Message-ID: <200106020706.QAA10785@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Masi,
I just heard about the awful, tragic news of the Nepalese imperial
family. Wow this is just so unbelievable. I hope everything is stable in
your part of the world.
Take care, Jim
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:11:18 -0700
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: I am free of the virus
Message-ID:
John's back.
Welcome back.
Fred
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