DV-L Wed, 13 Jun 2001 Volume 1 : Number 885
In this issue:
DV or DVCAM?
Re: SDRAM upgrade: ECC Registered or waste of money?
Re: DV deck
Re: DV deck
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Re: Video Biographies How-To Guide FREE?
Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: FCP time code error - embarrassing confession
Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: Toast 5 and Vide CD's
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re Premiere6 and DVCam - now PAL fix
Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
"Water-drop Blur" effect?
Film look -frame mode- was Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Re: Film look -frame mode- was Re: XL2 Rumors?
firewire with netmeeting
Why Frame Mode (was XL2 Rumors)
Re: firewire with netmeeting
RE: DV converter
RE: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
JVC HRDVS2U
Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
AVI vs MPEG
Re: AVI vs MPEG
Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
AE or FCP help with effect
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
FYI - IBM disk health utils (Windows/Linux only)
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Re: used equipment
Re: FCP time code error - embarrassing confession
Re: XL2 Rumors?
Re: FCP timecode error
Re: monitoring sound in post
WTB: Wide angle lens for GL-1 (ie. WD-58)
Re: monitoring sound in post
Re: monitoring sound in post
Re: AE or FCP help with effect
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:19:59 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID:
Babe posted:
>what is difference between DV tape and DVCAM tapes?<
to quote an old joke; 'about $5!'
If you genuinely mean just the tape:
1) DVCAM tape is more expensive and comes in a library case
2) It supposedly has less drop out and more durability
3) If fitted; the chip memory is 16k for DVCAM, 4k for DV.
>Can I play back DV tape in DVCAM deck/camera and viceversa.<
All DVCAM decks/cameras play DV(SP only). Most Sony DV decks/cameras play
DVCAM. The trouble is this latter feature is usually undocumented so Sony
could take it away without warning!
If you use a non Sony DV product it is unlikely to play DVCAM.
for more information see www.adamwilt.com
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:25:35 +0200
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SDRAM upgrade: ECC Registered or waste of money?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612102205.03267ec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 02:08 PM 6/8/2001 -0700, Joel wrote:
>So, is ECC memory good enough or should I "really had
>better go with the ECC REGISTERED".
If you are convinced that ECC is a must-have and if your mobo supports=20
registered RAM, and if money is no object, definitely go for it. It=E4s the=
=20
all-around cleaner and more stable solution.
BS
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:18:23 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV deck
Message-ID: <1euwmwa.iydfds1k9mkskM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Pure speculation on my part, but here goes:
This deck is sold only in Japan (and therefore no PAL version) because
A) In my experience, Japanese don't try to do things on the "cheap" like
I'm happy to, as an American. If they're in business, they have to
impress the clients with how "professional" they are -- so they buy the
DSR-80 if they mess with DV at all. Sony will not lose pro sales here
because Japanese production houses will not buy these consumer decks
instead of something more "professional."
In the States, I think a lot of little shops would buy this deck instead
of, say, the DSR-11 or DSR-20/30 -- and so Sony would lose pro
equipment sales.
B) Broadcasting-ly speaking (I love making up new words -- do it all the
time in Japanse -- inadvertently -- to the never ending amusement of my
colleagues) Japan is a small country. About the size of California, and
with a somewhat restricted broadcasting policy -- so there are just
*many fewer* stations and production houses here. Even if we all went
out and bought consumer DV decks instead of the pro stuff, Sony is still
not losing the sales it would were this deck readily available in the
States. (Or Europe?)
And so there will never be a global version of a deck of this quality
from Sony; it would cut too far into their pro sales.
That's my take on the situation.
Tim Selander
> Tim have you got any idea why Sony is not delivering the PAL market!?? Or do
> you know if its coming?
> Thanx
> Jan
> www.Global-DVC.Org
>
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Tim Selander [mailto:selander@tkf.att.ne.jp]
> > Verzonden: maandag 11 juni 2001 13:20
> > Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Onderwerp: Re: DV deck
> >
> >
> > Hard to say which is "best" without trying them all!
> >
> > I put my money on the Sony WV-DR5. This is a double deck that has a VHS
> > and DV deck built in to one box. Dubs are easy and look great, it uses
> > full sized DV cassettes for long run times, and is a sturdy, *fast*,
> > unit. Have used it a lot with EditDV on a Mac; have also tested it with
> > Premiere, iMovie and Final Cut Pro. Worked well with them all.
> >
> > The downside to this deck is that it is only sold in Japan. But I'll
> > repeat the offer I made to another DV-Ler last week or so: I can go to
> > the local shop, buy one and ship it to you for US$1350 -- assuming US
> > shipping destination. This price includes a "handling fee" for my
> > shopping and shipping time.
> >
> > Email me if you need more info.
> >
> > Tim Selander
> > Tokyo, Japan
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:18:24 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV deck
Message-ID: <1euwnll.qpgpggwcz6dcM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
The dubs look really good, but I have to say I've never seen dubs from
the JVC deck.
Hey, I'm willing to do a shoot out for the education of the list. If you
have access to the JVC deck, dub off a test tape. Then send the DV & VHS
tapes to me, and I'll dub the DV tape after the JVC dub. Then I'll send
the VHS tapes to someone "authoritative" on the list (Adam W., you up
for this?!) and let them analyze the results.
Any takers!? Sounds like fun.
The WV-DR5 plays back SVHS, but records only VHS. There's a WV-DR7 model
that records SVHS and has picture enhancing circuits the DR5 does not
have. But it's about $400 more -- and I didn't think I needed SVHS
recording capability as long as I have DV, so I got the DR5.
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> >I put my money on the Sony WV-DR5. This is a double deck that has a VHS
> >and DV deck built in to one box. Dubs are easy and look great,
>
> Any thoughts on how well it makes dubs vs. the JVC dual deck? And it is a
> SVHS deck or just VHS?
>
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "It can only be attributable to human error"
> -HAL
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:55:44 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <000801c0f332$02ed62c0$8ca26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Perry If you use a non Sony DV product it is unlikely to play DVCAM.
But the Panasonic DV decks I've used played back DVCAM flawlessly. (AG DV
2700, PAL)
FWIW,
Ton
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:00:05 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <007301c0f338$45539e80$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
I have a DSR-20 deck and all I would have to do is connect the analog inputs
to the DSR-20 set it to E-E mode and capture via the Firewire. If you want
to record simultaneously you can. In most instances I still prefer to
transfer to DVCAM first anyway so I can use full deck control and batch
capture. None of the under $1000 systems have analog deck control support
so you're not losing anything with the RaptorRT. The only place it would be
a problem is if you're only using analog I/O and don't have a digital camera
or deck that supports analog to Firewire pass through. Virtually all of the
current Sony D8 and DV equipment does that.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elie"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
> Maybe so, but on extra step too many.
>
> Regards
> Elie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Campbell"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
>
>
> > I just copy from S video to DV tape. THen DV tape to computer?
> >
> > dave
> >
> > Elie wrote:
> >
> > > "Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
> > > > DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in and out, and
analog
> out"
> > > ------
> > > Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards these days without
> analog
> > > in and out?
> > > What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to edit, then what? We
> cannot
> > > depend strictly on Digital media these days, Analog still has it's
> place.
> > >
> > > Canopus can do neat things but this time I don't know :-(
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Elie
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jan De Wever"
> > > To: "DV-list"
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 2:12 PM
> > > Subject: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
> > >
> > > > After many rumours and two years of speculating, it finally happend:
> > > Canopus
> > > > has announced today the release by the end of this month of the
> > > DVRaptorRT.
> > > > It offers all the real time capabilities of the much more expensive
> > > DVStorm
> > > > and DVRexRT cards, for a price that will be less than the current
> DV500+
> > > and
> > > > RT2000/2500 solutions. Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
> > > > DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in and out, and
analog
> out.
> > > >
> > > > On this analog output, you get real time playback of the timeline,
as
> much
> > > > as your CPU can handle. At this time, this means at least 3 layers
of
> > > video,
> > > > up to 10 layers of titles/graphics (all moving) and unlimited
filters,
> > > > depending on your CPU power. Only when writing back to tape you have
> to
> > > > render. And all this at a price that will be less than the
RT2000/2500
> and
> > > > DV500+.
> > > >
> > > > Read all about it now at www.abcdv.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jan De Wever - Leuven, Belgium
> > > > Anyvision Media Services
> > > >
> > > > webmaster www.abcdv.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:34:11 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Video Biographies How-To Guide FREE?
Message-ID:
on 6/12/01 7:31 AM, danclark at danclark@seanet.com wrote:
> Brad,
>
> Frankly, I don't know if the How-To Guide was worth $49.95. I really
> don't care. What irritated me was the the way the web site was
> presented. At the top it said, "Free Report". At the bottom, it said
> "Pay $49.95". THAT'S NOT FREE!!! It looked like a scam.
>
> Just a suggestion... If you want to charge $49.95, that's fine. If you
> want to give it away free, that's fine too. But don't tell me it's free
> and then try to hustle $49.95.
>
> There are a lot of hustlers on the Internet. The worst thing that you
> can do is to be identified as one of them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zac Merrit [mailto:news1@myvideostory.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:09 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Video Biographies How-To Guide FREE?
>
>
> Time to make some changes...
>
> I take it from some of the feedback that I got about me wanting to sell
> a How-To Guide on how I make money from making video biographies for
> $49.95 that it was too expensive.
>
> I have concluded that I should open up the How-To Guide for free and let
> people judge for themselves. If they think it is worth anything, and
> especially if they are going to use the information to start a business
> of their own, then they can send me whatever they think it is worth.
>
> So I have opened it up, take a look and we'll see if this is the
> craziest thing I have done (my wife thinks so).
>
> Go to:
>
> http://www.myvideostory.com/freereport.html
>
> and click on the link at the bottom of the page.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Brad Flickinger
>
>
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Hello: I agree with you Dan. Tughollow
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:55:42 -0500
From: Chris Hurd
To:
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010612074906.027f5d78@dvinfo.net>
Howdy from Texas,
sphoenix wrote...
>
> the frame mode in the XL1 is not true progressive scanning - it just
> guesses so you're actually getting half the resolution pushed up to
> full - which is a fake full picture. This is how it was explained to
> me anyway.
Sorry; not correct. While the XL1 dos not have progressive scan
CCD's, Frame Movie mode arrives at the same results but by a
different route. It is not an interpolation (guessing) and there is
only a *slight* loss of vertical resolution... nothing at all like 50%.
The myth of "half resolution" in Frame Movie mode is for some
reason one of the many pieces of disinformation that seems to
persist on the internet.
> Hopefully this XL2 your talking about might have real 480 line
> progressive, and a working lens, but like I said, that is a rumor.
I seriously doubt Canon will give up Frame Movie mode after
it's been such a huge hit for them in the XL1, GL1 and other
camcorders... but we'll see.
When a successor to the XL1 is released, I'll have all the
info on the Watchdog at http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm
An XL1 FAQ:
http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1faq.htm
Chris Hurd
San Marcos, TX
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:15:51 -0700
From: "Mark Williams"
To:
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID: <000701c0f341$ce060a20$19b01e18@socal.rr.com>
can you explain why its been " a hugh hit for them" I don't see any
difference when I use it...what's it for and why is it such a big deal?
Mark w
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hurd
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
> Howdy from Texas,
>
> sphoenix wrote...
> >
> > the frame mode in the XL1 is not true progressive scanning - it just
> > guesses so you're actually getting half the resolution pushed up to
> > full - which is a fake full picture. This is how it was explained to
> > me anyway.
>
>
> Sorry; not correct. While the XL1 dos not have progressive scan
> CCD's, Frame Movie mode arrives at the same results but by a
> different route. It is not an interpolation (guessing) and there is
> only a *slight* loss of vertical resolution... nothing at all like 50%.
>
> The myth of "half resolution" in Frame Movie mode is for some
> reason one of the many pieces of disinformation that seems to
> persist on the internet.
>
>
> > Hopefully this XL2 your talking about might have real 480 line
> > progressive, and a working lens, but like I said, that is a rumor.
>
>
> I seriously doubt Canon will give up Frame Movie mode after
> it's been such a huge hit for them in the XL1, GL1 and other
> camcorders... but we'll see.
>
> When a successor to the XL1 is released, I'll have all the
> info on the Watchdog at http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm
>
> An XL1 FAQ:
> http://www.dvinfo.net/xl1faq.htm
>
> Chris Hurd
> San Marcos, TX
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:46:10 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID:
>can you explain why its been " a hugh hit for them" I don't see any
>difference when I use it...what's it for and why is it such a big deal?
>
You don't see any difference? Are you sure movie/frame mode is
engaged? If you are
actually in frame mode, do some medium fast pans. The image should
do some strobing (which on medium fast pans looks pretty bad).
Try the same kind of pan in normal mode.
Or, try setting up your camera on a tripod and get into the picture
and wave your arms around. Do it again in normal mode. If you cannot
see any difference, your either not in frame/movie mode, or (sorry to say)
you do not have a very good eye (or you need to really concentrate on it),
because frame mode definitely has a different look.
Also, make sure to look at your tests on a TV or
NTSC monitor. Maybe the small viewfinder isn't allowing you
to see the difference, but believe me brother, it's THERE!
jmerser
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:47:39 -0700
From: Daniel Krause
To: DV List
Subject: Re: FCP time code error - embarrassing confession
Message-ID:
So, I solved the problem. It was neither memory settings, nor QuickTime RT
nor AppleTalk that was causing the frame drops and timecode errors.
It was having the Airport networking card turned on.
Yes yes, you'd think I'd know better. Anyway, if you have the same problem,
consider the same solution. And stop laughing.
On 6/11/01 3:24 PM, "Daniel Krause" wrote:
> That seems like the best idea of the ones suggested, because I didn't bother
> to reinstall QuickTime 5 from the CD. Memory cache I checked, along with
> whether AppleTalk was turned on and the usual bugaboos.
>
> Incidentally, for others with this problem, do not disable frame drop
> detection during capture. I tried this and was able to capture but the sound
> gradually drifted out of sync.
"Guilty Feet have got no rhythm"
-George Michael
Daniel Krause, piker@mac.com
http://homepage.mac.com/piker/index.html
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:53:42 -0400
From: John
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID:
>
>You don't see any difference? Are you sure movie/frame mode is
>engaged? If you are
>actually in frame mode, do some medium fast pans. The image should
>do some strobing (which on medium fast pans looks pretty bad).
>Try the same kind of pan in normal mode.
>Or, try setting up your camera on a tripod and get into the picture
>and wave your arms around. Do it again in normal mode. If you cannot
>see any difference, your either not in frame/movie mode, or (sorry to say)
>you do not have a very good eye (or you need to really concentrate on it),
>because frame mode definitely has a different look.
>
> Also, make sure to look at your tests on a TV or
>NTSC monitor. Maybe the small viewfinder isn't allowing you
>to see the difference, but believe me brother, it's THERE!
The image quality is not the same as normal mode I think the colors
are saturated and there's more of a contrast range.
John
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:06:15 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID:
Elie wrote, re. no analog inputs:
>Yes it is a major draw back...<
As much as I am enjoying my Storm, I have to say the issue of
analog ins is largely overblown. When I was editing with the (non-
RT) Raptor, I had analog ins...the ones on the back of the DSR20
that was Firewired to the Raptor. Chances are that you have
analog ins too (unless you are shooting with an XL1. )
It's a bit of a hassle, yes, but a flaw? A deal-breaker? I don't think
so.
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:10:28 -0700
From: "Mark Williams"
To:
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID: <001301c0f349$6f5864c0$19b01e18@socal.rr.com>
OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode? is it just for getting good
still images.
mark
----- Original Message -----
From: John
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
> >
> >You don't see any difference? Are you sure movie/frame mode is
> >engaged? If you are
> >actually in frame mode, do some medium fast pans. The image should
> >do some strobing (which on medium fast pans looks pretty bad).
> >Try the same kind of pan in normal mode.
> >Or, try setting up your camera on a tripod and get into the picture
> >and wave your arms around. Do it again in normal mode. If you cannot
> >see any difference, your either not in frame/movie mode, or (sorry to
say)
> >you do not have a very good eye (or you need to really concentrate on
it),
> >because frame mode definitely has a different look.
> >
> > Also, make sure to look at your tests on a TV or
> >NTSC monitor. Maybe the small viewfinder isn't allowing you
> >to see the difference, but believe me brother, it's THERE!
>
> The image quality is not the same as normal mode I think the colors
> are saturated and there's more of a contrast range.
>
> John
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:24:52 -0700
From: John Hemenway
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Toast 5 and Vide CD's
Message-ID:
Worked fine for me. G4/400, Yamaha SCSI CD-RW. How did you get the
MPEG stream? Did you let Toast make it for you? Perhaps your G3 isn't
fast enough to do that. I used QT5 pro to do the MPEG.
On a side note, the quality is crap. There is so many compression
artifacts the result is not worth the effort. It looks good on a
computer at 320x240 but on TV it stinks!
YMMV...
>Has anyone used Toast 5 to burn a Video CD? When I click 'record' I
>get a message saying "Interface error 6: The connection is not
>stable". The whole program then turns to treacle and slows right
>down and I usually end up restarting the computer.
>
>This is at 1x speed on a B&W G3 Macintosh. I'm using a fairly old
>SCSI Sony CD burner - but according to the website it's supported
>by Toast 5.
>
>I've tried turning all the extensions off but to no avail.
>
>I can burn other formats (data etc) with no problems at faster speeds.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Regards,
>
>Rod Paterson
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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jhemenway@santarosa.edu 707/527-4748
http://www.santarosa.edu/~jhemenw
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:37:09 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <1euwwa2.g8tn7w4m97wsM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Yes, and my Panasonic palmcorder (DJ100) plays back DVCAM recorded on
our DSR20 -- and our Sony VX1000 does not! Go figure!
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Perry >If you use a non Sony DV product it is unlikely to play DVCAM.
>
> But the Panasonic DV decks I've used played back DVCAM flawlessly. (AG DV
> 2700, PAL)
> FWIW,
> Ton
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:59:03 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <00b301c0f350$3d4f14e0$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
The VX-700/1000 were the first DV products released. DVCAM didn't come on
the scene until sometime later. It's impossible to make a camera compatible
with a format that has yet to be designed. Once DVCAM was designed Sony made
DV equipment that followed capable of playing back both formats. Of course
the DJ100 came long after the VX-1000 and it's designers had the advantage
of time and product maturity on their side.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Selander"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
> Yes, and my Panasonic palmcorder (DJ100) plays back DVCAM recorded on
> our DSR20 -- and our Sony VX1000 does not! Go figure!
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Perry > >If you use a non Sony DV product it is unlikely to play DVCAM.
> >
> > But the Panasonic DV decks I've used played back DVCAM flawlessly. (AG
DV
> > 2700, PAL)
> > FWIW,
> > Ton
> >
> >
> > -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:07:46 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <3B263042.7DB7DD46@golden.net>
anybody tried this with the JVC DVSU-1 combo svhs/DV deck?
thanks..andrew
Tim Selander wrote:
>
> Yes, and my Panasonic palmcorder (DJ100) plays back DVCAM recorded on
> our DSR20 -- and our Sony VX1000 does not! Go figure!
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Perry > >If you use a non Sony DV product it is unlikely to play DVCAM.
> >
> > But the Panasonic DV decks I've used played back DVCAM flawlessly. (AG DV
> > 2700, PAL)
> > FWIW,
> > Ton
> >
> >
> > -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:29:13 -0400
From: Franz Hespenheide
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Message-ID: <3B263549.17A1DCC7@erols.com>
Help ! I'm confused ...
I had made up my mind to purchase the DV Storm.
Then Canopus announces the DV Raptor RT !
Is there any difference between the two other
than the DV Storm accepts analogue input ?
Can I save $ 1,000 and still get the same
firewire features, etc. ?
Please someone, explain the differences
between these two similar products !
Franz Hespenheide
Gaithersburg, MD
franz@videobiz.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:36:59 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Message-ID: <002d01c0f355$9b2a8a40$8ca26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Mark Williams
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: dinsdag 12 juni 2001 17:09
Onderwerp: Re: XL2 Rumors?
>OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode?
Because some people like the stroboscobe-effect. They had a nice, video
look, with smooth movements, but prefer to have the 18 fps effect, (ir even
16 fps) that our ancestors tried to get rid of.... :-)
FWIW,
Ton G.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:38:35 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <00dc01c0f355$c37701e0$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
The original JVC will not playback DVCAM properly but the newest model will.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew kohl"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
> anybody tried this with the JVC DVSU-1 combo svhs/DV deck?
>
> thanks..andrew
>
> Tim Selander wrote:
> >
> > Yes, and my Panasonic palmcorder (DJ100) plays back DVCAM recorded on
> > our DSR20 -- and our Sony VX1000 does not! Go figure!
> >
> > Tim Selander
> > Tokyo, Japan
> >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: Perry > > >If you use a non Sony DV product it is unlikely to play DVCAM.
> > >
> > > But the Panasonic DV decks I've used played back DVCAM flawlessly. (AG
DV
> > > 2700, PAL)
> > > FWIW,
> > > Ton
> > >
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:43:50 +0100
From: "Les Howarth"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: Re Premiere6 and DVCam - now PAL fix
Message-ID: <001401c0f356$9574a300$9865fea9@mediastation1>
Thanks for the reassurance Mike, I assume 48k stays at 48k them?
One other question- what is the satuts of the PAL playback fix, it
fixed frames being dropped on firewire, but but made it happen in
the monitor window instead, less crucial, but annoying nontheless.
Thank once again
Les Howarth
Real-Time Images
http://www.rtpix.co.uk
>Question for Premiere6 experts (PC)
>
>- does Premiere6 support DVCam output, can't find any switches
for
>Consumer vs Pro Audio locking anywhere. Is this down to setting
in
>the codec ? since Prem6 does realtime audio mixing dowm firewire
I
>though this would be Premiere's responsibility.
Premiere outputs all audio in locked format. 44.1kHz audio is
downsampled to 32kHz automatically.
--Mike Jennings
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:05:43 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612120217.01e7d238@mail.speakeasy.org>
Who knows? It won't even be released until the end of June. Be at least
another month before user reports will start to filter in.
They haven't said anything about discontinuing the Storm, so presumably it
will still be a more professional product, but they may adjust the price
(or not).
The eternal question with computers - buy now or wait? By next xmas we're
looking at possible 2 chip real time DV solutions which should be _really_
cheap.
>Help ! I'm confused ...
>
>I had made up my mind to purchase the DV Storm.
>Then Canopus announces the DV Raptor RT !
>Is there any difference between the two other
>than the DV Storm accepts analogue input ?
>Can I save $ 1,000 and still get the same
>firewire features, etc. ?
>
>Please someone, explain the differences
>between these two similar products !
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:04:35 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Message-ID: <00e501c0f359$661401c0$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
The difference is analog input and the DVStorm is real-time output to the
Firewire the DVRaptorRT is only real-time to the analog outputs, and no
Premiere. The DVStorm also has the option for a hardware MPEG encoder that
wasn't mentioned for the DVRaptorRT. Time will tell any other differences
but you probably won't go wrong with either option. It's just a question of
how to best spend the available funds.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Hespenheide"
To: "DV-L"
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
> Help ! I'm confused ...
>
> I had made up my mind to purchase the DV Storm.
> Then Canopus announces the DV Raptor RT !
> Is there any difference between the two other
> than the DV Storm accepts analogue input ?
> Can I save $ 1,000 and still get the same
> firewire features, etc. ?
>
> Please someone, explain the differences
> between these two similar products !
>
>
> Franz Hespenheide
> Gaithersburg, MD
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:03:27 -0700
From: "Mark Williams"
To:
Subject: Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Message-ID: <000b01c0f359$38259580$19b01e18@socal.rr.com>
ok, so its not good for much,,,,since I am shooting sports, I should not
even worry about it
mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Ton Guiking
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:36 AM
Subject: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Mark Williams
> Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Datum: dinsdag 12 juni 2001 17:09
> Onderwerp: Re: XL2 Rumors?
>
>
> >OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode?
>
>
> Because some people like the stroboscobe-effect. They had a nice, video
> look, with smooth movements, but prefer to have the 18 fps effect, (ir
even
> 16 fps) that our ancestors tried to get rid of.... :-)
> FWIW,
> Ton G.
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:23:30 EDT
From: NewsmanSGW@aol.com
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: "Water-drop Blur" effect?
Message-ID: <6b.15b11250.28579c02@aol.com>
I'm trying to blur somebody's face with an effect I've seen that looks like a
drop of water on somebody's face...i.e. it is clear and transparent but the
facial features are blurred as though you are looking through a drop of
water.
Does anybody know how to accomplish that in FCP-2?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:34:10 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Film look -frame mode- was Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID:
>OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode? is it just for getting good
>still images.
No, you don't really want to use frame mode for stills, because the
resolution is not quite as high as regular mode stills using both fields.
I've noticed no difference in the color of frame vs. normal mode.
The reason to use movie mode is because of the "look." That look,
though not like film itself, is "different" than normal video. That
difference IMO is
cool in that your normal video mode is "real." There is no special artistic
flavor in regular video vs. film, which I think has a special arty flavor.
Movie mode looks special and kinda weird, which can be a good thing.
If not used right, movie/frame mode can SUCK. Some will say that is
only sucks.
Whereas, the film look isn't real imo, it is BETTER than real. It is
hard to put
into words, but film just looks cool. Cool and art are hugely
amplified using film.
The resolution is higher than video, but
the look is softer at the same time (huh?). Video has a 'harsh' look
about it, and for instance,
a set built for a movie will look like some special place when shot
on film, but when
shot on video, it looks much more like a set, than a "special" place.
An actress shot on film will look gorgeous, but on video her skin may
look grainy,
pock marked, and every blemish and dark circle will be amplified.
Cover her face with
makeup, and you can see that her face is covered with makeup. Certain cameras
can identify (white/pink) skin and actually blur that color information to help
this weakness inherent in video.
Do some tests for yourself. Set up a scene and take some digital
stills (could be video camera), and buy
a 35mm camera and take some shots of the same scene. Compare the two and
you'll know the difference better than my shallow attempts to describe it.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:38:44 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Message-ID:
>ok, so its not good for much,,,,since I am shooting sports, I should not
>even worry about it
>
>mark
>
Good call.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:36:44 -0700
From: "Mark Williams"
To:
Subject: Re: Film look -frame mode- was Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID: <000701c0f35d$de5822c0$19b01e18@socal.rr.com>
ok, now I got it.
mark
----- Original Message -----
From: jmerser
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:34 AM
Subject: Film look -frame mode- was Re: XL2 Rumors?
> >OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode? is it just for getting good
> >still images.
>
> No, you don't really want to use frame mode for stills, because the
> resolution is not quite as high as regular mode stills using both fields.
> I've noticed no difference in the color of frame vs. normal mode.
>
> The reason to use movie mode is because of the "look." That look,
> though not like film itself, is "different" than normal video. That
> difference IMO is
> cool in that your normal video mode is "real." There is no special
artistic
> flavor in regular video vs. film, which I think has a special arty flavor.
> Movie mode looks special and kinda weird, which can be a good thing.
> If not used right, movie/frame mode can SUCK. Some will say that is
> only sucks.
>
> Whereas, the film look isn't real imo, it is BETTER than real. It is
> hard to put
> into words, but film just looks cool. Cool and art are hugely
> amplified using film.
> The resolution is higher than video, but
> the look is softer at the same time (huh?). Video has a 'harsh' look
> about it, and for instance,
> a set built for a movie will look like some special place when shot
> on film, but when
> shot on video, it looks much more like a set, than a "special" place.
> An actress shot on film will look gorgeous, but on video her skin may
> look grainy,
> pock marked, and every blemish and dark circle will be amplified.
> Cover her face with
> makeup, and you can see that her face is covered with makeup. Certain
cameras
> can identify (white/pink) skin and actually blur that color information to
help
> this weakness inherent in video.
>
> Do some tests for yourself. Set up a scene and take some digital
> stills (could be video camera), and buy
> a 35mm camera and take some shots of the same scene. Compare the two and
> you'll know the difference better than my shallow attempts to describe it.
>
> jmerser
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:02:15 -0700
From: David Teitelbaum
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: firewire with netmeeting
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010612195952.0239b2a8@campsci.com>
I was hoping somebody can tell me if its possible to use my dv firewire
camera with netmeeting?
I am running windows 2000 and i have the latest netmeeting. My camera shows
up in netmeetings option settings, but nothing shows up on the screen.
David
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:09:58 -0700
From: Evan Robinson
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Why Frame Mode (was XL2 Rumors)
Message-ID:
At 7:10 AM -0700 on 2001.06.12, Mark Williams wrote about "Re: XL2 Rumors?":
>OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode? is it just for getting good
>still images.
It's closer to film. Film is one full frame every 24th of a second.
NTSC Video is one field every 60th (give or take, I guess) of a
second. Since objects in the real world move, the second field of a
pair making up a frame has things in slightly different positions
than the first. You can see this effect if you look at video stills
of rapidly moving objects (alternate scan lines appear to be in
slightly different positions -- it's one of the things that
contributes to the "fuzziness" of video stills). If your video
camera takes 30 frames instead of 60 fields (which is how the
Progressive Scan mode in my Canon Optura Pi works -- I assume the
Frame mode on the XL1 is similar if not identical), you capture a
full frame every 30th of a second instead of two fields, and you see
a different kind of blurring (not scanline related) at the edges of
fast moving objects (this blur is called "motion blur").
You do, also, get better still frames, and sometimes that's why I use
the Progressive Scan mode -- more often it's because I don't like the
scanline (field associated) blur, I'd rather see motion blur.
Evan (not an expert, by any means, just a geek)
Sign in a Laundromat AUTOMATIC WASHING MACHINES:
PLEASE REMOVE ALL YOUR CLOTHES WHEN THE LIGHT GOES OUT
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:15:20 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: firewire with netmeeting
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612131340.01ecc6c8@mail.speakeasy.org>
The only vid conference app I've seen so far that will use a 1394 cam is
Teveo (www.teveo.com).
At 11:02 PM 6/12/2001, you wrote:
>I was hoping somebody can tell me if its possible to use my dv firewire
>camera with netmeeting?
>I am running windows 2000 and i have the latest netmeeting. My camera
>shows up in netmeetings option settings, but nothing shows up on the screen.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:14:28 -0700
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: DV converter
Message-ID:
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> One of my friend is planning to buy Leitch Converter for Dv conversion.
The model is DPS 575. This got everything except RS422 and 232.
So can he use this for Avid Xpress DV.
If he goes for it then he may not get time code am I correct?
In DV signals how the Time code we are getting?
What are the other complications if he use this model? <
Check out Promax's DV converter, it also converts all time code and machine
control.
Maybe Charles could enlighten you on this. I know that the engineers behind
this product know their stuff.
Fred
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If he goes for it then he may not get time code – am I = correct?
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:03:53 -0400
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Message-ID:
I think it's more a matter of opinion and you'd be much better served (IMO)
to just try it out for yourself if you already have the gear. FWIW, the
strobe look seems to be making a resurgence if you've seen the Gladiator
fight scenes (overused a bit) or the new WWII film by Tom Hanks (looks
good). Also, we shoot sports all the time (visit
http://www.freesport-tv.com/) and while it's not exactly "film," we think
the frame mode looks just different enough during broadcast to be appealing.
That said, you have to balance the decision to use it with your own shooting
style, subject(s), and intended audience because it might not appeal to
everyone. This isn't meant as a flame war on whether frame mode is the best
thing since sliced bread, but more of a suggestion on why you might try it
out. Either way there's really no loss (in business)-- just try each and see
what you like.
BTW, if you do try it with sports, I think action shots can look good with
it but you'll probably want practice keeping camera motion down to a
minimum. Over panning can make the footage pretty hard to watch.
Good luck,
Christopher
____________________________
Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
http://www.freesport-tv.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Williams [mailto:mark@sunset.win.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
>
>
> ok, so its not good for much,,,,since I am shooting sports, I should not
> even worry about it
>
> mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ton Guiking
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:36 AM
> Subject: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
>
>
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Mark Williams
> > Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Datum: dinsdag 12 juni 2001 17:09
> > Onderwerp: Re: XL2 Rumors?
> >
> >
> > >OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode?
> >
> >
> > Because some people like the stroboscobe-effect. They had a nice, video
> > look, with smooth movements, but prefer to have the 18 fps effect, (ir
> even
> > 16 fps) that our ancestors tried to get rid of.... :-)
> > FWIW,
> > Ton G.
------------------------------
Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:12:40 -0500
From: Brian Farmer
To:
Subject: JVC HRDVS2U
Message-ID: <-1219767339bfarmer@hiebing.com>
Hi all,
I am looking at this deck. Would love to hear your opinions on it. The web =
site I am on mentions that it will do "DV insert editing" Is this true? =
Also, I should mention that I will be using this deck for VHS dubs as well =
as final edit to Mini DV using Final Cut Pro 2.
Thanks,
Brian
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:51:45 -0700
From: "Mark Williams"
To:
Subject: Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
Message-ID: <001901c0f379$25e91ac0$19b01e18@socal.rr.com>
all good advice...check out my freeze frames at
http://www.thecaliforniachannel.com all shot with the XL1 and they all seem
to look pretty good
mark w
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Van Nest
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
> I think it's more a matter of opinion and you'd be much better served
(IMO)
> to just try it out for yourself if you already have the gear. FWIW, the
> strobe look seems to be making a resurgence if you've seen the Gladiator
> fight scenes (overused a bit) or the new WWII film by Tom Hanks (looks
> good). Also, we shoot sports all the time (visit
> http://www.freesport-tv.com/) and while it's not exactly "film," we think
> the frame mode looks just different enough during broadcast to be
appealing.
>
> That said, you have to balance the decision to use it with your own
shooting
> style, subject(s), and intended audience because it might not appeal to
> everyone. This isn't meant as a flame war on whether frame mode is the
best
> thing since sliced bread, but more of a suggestion on why you might try it
> out. Either way there's really no loss (in business)-- just try each and
see
> what you like.
>
> BTW, if you do try it with sports, I think action shots can look good with
> it but you'll probably want practice keeping camera motion down to a
> minimum. Over panning can make the footage pretty hard to watch.
>
> Good luck,
> Christopher
> ____________________________
> Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
> http://www.freesport-tv.com/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Williams [mailto:mark@sunset.win.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:03 PM
> > To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Subject: Re: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
> >
> >
> > ok, so its not good for much,,,,since I am shooting sports, I should not
> > even worry about it
> >
> > mark
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ton Guiking
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:36 AM
> > Subject: Why frame mode? [was: XL2 Rumors]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: Mark Williams
> > > Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > > Datum: dinsdag 12 juni 2001 17:09
> > > Onderwerp: Re: XL2 Rumors?
> > >
> > >
> > > >OK, I get the idea,,,so why use frame mode?
> > >
> > >
> > > Because some people like the stroboscobe-effect. They had a nice,
video
> > > look, with smooth movements, but prefer to have the 18 fps effect, (ir
> > even
> > > 16 fps) that our ancestors tried to get rid of.... :-)
> > > FWIW,
> > > Ton G.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:18:47 -0700
From: "Paul Michel"
To:
Subject: AVI vs MPEG
Message-ID: <003901c0f37c$e35bea80$4fc41f0a@arrow.com>
Anyone know of a reliable DV to MPEG capture system via Firewire? I've used
both MGI and Ulead with a std IEEE1394 card and cable. They both capture in
AVI and can then convert to MPEG. The AVI files are HUGE. From what I've
been reading, you can only capture direct to MPEG via analog. Is that true?
Would the resolution in an MPEG clip converted from AVI be noticeably better
that one recorded direct to MPEG? Thanks for your input everyone....
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:00:51 -0400
From: Jeff Hamman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: AVI vs MPEG
Message-ID:
"Paul Michel" wrote:
> Would the resolution in an MPEG clip converted from AVI
> be noticeably better that one recorded direct to MPEG?
It depends on if they used compression in the AVI... AVI,
like QuickTime, is only a wrapper for the data. If there
is no codec used on it (hardware or software), it should
be lossless.
Jeff
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:25:15 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <3B2688BB.FDCDB4DD@golden.net>
Hello everyone,
Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was just
informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until they
solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me up,
since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close to
needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not sure
how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up with
a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We have not
considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally compatible
in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio files
database, which is quite extensive.
Thanks for all your feedback,
Andrew
Andrew Kohl
http://www.kohlproductions.com/
Corporate Video / Documentary TV / 3D Animation / Webdesign
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:39:14 -0400
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID:
In addition to the advice you receive here, you might check out the Canopus
bulletin boards at http://www.justedit.com/ (click on "User Groups"). You
can either browse the DVStorm group anonymously or sign in to post your
questions.
-Christopher
____________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew kohl [mailto:kohl@golden.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was just
> informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
> resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until they
> solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me up,
> since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
>
> So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
> LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close to
> needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not sure
> how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up with
> a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We have not
> considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally compatible
> in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio files
> database, which is quite extensive.
>
> Thanks for all your feedback,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Andrew Kohl
> http://www.kohlproductions.com/
> Corporate Video / Documentary TV / 3D Animation / Webdesign
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:54:31 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <009f01c0f38a$47170020$6501a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
Go Canopus! Minimum problems maximum performance. I use a DVRexRT and it's
the best DV system I've ever used. I've tried the Matrox products and for DV
they just don't measure up to the RexRT or the Storm.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew kohl"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> Hello everyone,
>
> Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was just
> informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
> resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until they
> solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me up,
> since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
>
> So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
> LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close to
> needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not sure
> how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up with
> a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We have not
> considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally compatible
> in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio files
> database, which is quite extensive.
>
> Thanks for all your feedback,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Andrew Kohl
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:01:00 -0700
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID:
I also use Canopus DVRex RT. I have meddled with Matrox products here and
there, and they just don't seem as "solid" as the Canopus products. I don't
know how else to characterize it.
Although, many people use Matrox all the time and are quite happy with them
as well.
As most people here know, I bought my turnkey system from www.DVLine.com and
am very happy with not ever having to mess with anything as far as
compatibility or anything else.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:55 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Go Canopus! Minimum problems maximum performance. I use a DVRexRT and it's
the best DV system I've ever used. I've tried the Matrox products and for DV
they just don't measure up to the RexRT or the Storm.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew kohl"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> Hello everyone,
>
> Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was just
> informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
> resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until they
> solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me up,
> since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
>
> So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
> LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close to
> needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not sure
> how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up with
> a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We have not
> considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally compatible
> in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio files
> database, which is quite extensive.
>
> Thanks for all your feedback,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Andrew Kohl
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <20010612220850.26320.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com>
I second Walt's opinion...
I have the Storm and it's awesome (have used both the Matrox RT2000 and
DV500 in the past).
Pinnacle product support is also horrendous. I can bitch about it all
day, but I'll spare DV-L...
Wes
--- Walt wrote:
> Go Canopus! Minimum problems maximum performance. I use a DVRexRT and
> it's
> the best DV system I've ever used. I've tried the Matrox products and
> for DV
> they just don't measure up to the RexRT or the Storm.
>
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "andrew kohl"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
> Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> > realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was
> just
> > informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
> > resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until
> they
> > solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me
> up,
> > since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
> >
> > So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> > users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having
> the
> > LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close
> to
> > needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not
> sure
> > how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up
> with
> > a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We
> have not
> > considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally
> compatible
> > in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio
> files
> > database, which is quite extensive.
> >
> > Thanks for all your feedback,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > Andrew Kohl
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:45:29 -0400
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID:
BTW, I should sort of third that opinion and mention that Canopus in general
rocks-- I didn't mention it originally because you asked about the Storm and
we use the Raptor. But if the Raptor is any indication of the Storm
setup/usability experience, you'll be able to just install and get to work
reliably. We'll likely upgrade to the Storm (or possibly Raptor-RT) after
this next project cycle.
-Christopher
____________________________
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http://www.freesport-tv.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wes chow [mailto:iminlovewithamcdonaldsgirl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:09 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
>
>
>
> I second Walt's opinion...
>
> I have the Storm and it's awesome (have used both the Matrox RT2000 and
> DV500 in the past).
>
> Pinnacle product support is also horrendous. I can bitch about it all
> day, but I'll spare DV-L...
>
>
> Wes
>
>
> --- Walt wrote:
> > Go Canopus! Minimum problems maximum performance. I use a DVRexRT and
> > it's
> > the best DV system I've ever used. I've tried the Matrox products and
> > for DV
> > they just don't measure up to the RexRT or the Storm.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "andrew kohl"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
> > Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> >
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> > > realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was
> > just
> > > informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
> > > resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until
> > they
> > > solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me
> > up,
> > > since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
> > >
> > > So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> > > users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having
> > the
> > > LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close
> > to
> > > needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not
> > sure
> > > how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up
> > with
> > > a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We
> > have not
> > > considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally
> > compatible
> > > in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio
> > files
> > > database, which is quite extensive.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your feedback,
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Kohl
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:43:25
From: "John Hartney"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID:
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:56:17 -0400
From: "Elie"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <002801c0f2e2$deaa3040$6401a8c0@mtnk1.on.home.com>
"Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
>DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in and out, and analog out"
------
Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards these days without analog
in and out?
What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to edit, then what? We cannot
depend strictly on Digital media these days, Analog still has it's place.
Canopus can do neat things but this time I don't know :-(
Regards
Elie
******
I don't see it as a drawback at all. Most cameras and decks already have
analog composite and component inputs to dv already.
In the low end market, I think this will be a strong competitor because of
the scalable power. Time will tell, but with Canopus stability I think it
will put a nail in the already closing matrox rtwhatever coffin.
Best,
John Hartney
Fox Valley DV
847.608.1357
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:34:46 -0400
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID:
Hi all
I am stumped: I have imported some high resolution scans of architectural
photos into a video project that was shot on MiniDV. I have done pans and
zooms of the still images to simulate camera movement. Everything works fine
but I am getting terrible waviness across the images when zooming, and
terrible zebra patterns plus all sorts of artifacts in the highlights. I
have tried lowering the resolution to exactly what I need, lowering
contrast, chroma, color, but have had no luck in completely eliminating the
problem.
Any ideas????
Thanks.
Steve Sanacore
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:42:09 -0400
From: "Elie"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <000a01c0f3b2$716274e0$6401a8c0@shlooky1>
Hi John,
I still think the extra step is unnecesary. If you have the time, then
maybe.
Matrox has a great future planned for the RT2500, so it's not in a coffin
yet ;-)
Everyone critisized the RT2000 because it didn't offer realtime DV export,
well Canopus did the same with the Raptor :-)
My RT2500 and RT2000 have been running stable under Win2K for the longest
time.
Anyway, I consider the Raptor RT, a good cheap alternative for the home
hobbiest, where the DV Storm is targeted at the pro market along with the
Digisuite LX LE and DTV.
Regards,
Elie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hartney"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:56:17 -0400
> From: "Elie"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
> Message-ID: <002801c0f2e2$deaa3040$6401a8c0@mtnk1.on.home.com>
>
> "Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
> >DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in and out, and analog
out"
> ------
> Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards these days without analog
> in and out?
> What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to edit, then what? We cannot
> depend strictly on Digital media these days, Analog still has it's place.
>
> Canopus can do neat things but this time I don't know :-(
>
> Regards
> Elie
> ******
>
> I don't see it as a drawback at all. Most cameras and decks already have
> analog composite and component inputs to dv already.
>
> In the low end market, I think this will be a strong competitor because of
> the scalable power. Time will tell, but with Canopus stability I think it
> will put a nail in the already closing matrox rtwhatever coffin.
>
> Best,
>
> John Hartney
> Fox Valley DV
> 847.608.1357
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:37:57 +1000
From: "Carter, Gil (RSA, Brisbane)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: FYI - IBM disk health utils (Windows/Linux only)
Message-ID: <9DDBE39552A9D411B6F400508BAF55C23EDD82@exaus01.local.aus.rsa.com>
Hi all,
Stumbled across an interesting page at the IBM drives site which has a
number of very useful little utilities. The most applicable for us DV
fiends is the Disk Fitness Test:
------------------------------------------------------
The Drive Fitness Test (DFT) provides a quick and reliable method to test
IBM SCSI and IDE hard disk drives. The Drive Fitness Test only performs
read tests and does not overwrite customer data.
* Three modes of operation:
-- High confidence level Quick test
-- Full media scan
-- Exerciser
* Performs real-time analysis of IBM drives to quickly determine whether the
drive has a problem.
* Identifies system problems such as cables, temperature, etc.
* Automatically logs significant drive parameters to track potential impacts
to the operation of the drive.
------------------------------------------------------
Check them all out at http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm
(Sorry to the Mac users!)
Gil
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:03:29 -0700
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <006a01c0f3b5$6cc73a80$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I have no experience with Canopus. I considered Matrox several years ago,
but they never seem to have their stuff together. I have a DV-500 and have
been very satisfied. I have gotten good support from Pinnacle. We just
reinstalled the DV-500 in twin PIII 1g processor Abit VP6 MB system. Win2k
handles IRQs brilliantly, and the new 2.0 software is great. I like the
DV-500.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Van Nest
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> BTW, I should sort of third that opinion and mention that Canopus in
general
> rocks-- I didn't mention it originally because you asked about the Storm
and
> we use the Raptor. But if the Raptor is any indication of the Storm
> setup/usability experience, you'll be able to just install and get to work
> reliably. We'll likely upgrade to the Storm (or possibly Raptor-RT) after
> this next project cycle.
>
> -Christopher
> ____________________________
> Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
> http://www.freesport-tv.com/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wes chow [mailto:iminlovewithamcdonaldsgirl@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:09 PM
> > To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> >
> >
> >
> > I second Walt's opinion...
> >
> > I have the Storm and it's awesome (have used both the Matrox RT2000 and
> > DV500 in the past).
> >
> > Pinnacle product support is also horrendous. I can bitch about it all
> > day, but I'll spare DV-L...
> >
> >
> > Wes
> >
> >
> > --- Walt wrote:
> > > Go Canopus! Minimum problems maximum performance. I use a DVRexRT and
> > > it's
> > > the best DV system I've ever used. I've tried the Matrox products and
> > > for DV
> > > they just don't measure up to the RexRT or the Storm.
> > >
> > > Walt
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "andrew kohl"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> > > > realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was
> > > just
> > > > informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
> > > > resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until
> > > they
> > > > solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me
> > > up,
> > > > since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
> > > >
> > > > So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> > > > users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having
> > > the
> > > > LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close
> > > to
> > > > needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not
> > > sure
> > > > how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up
> > > with
> > > > a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We
> > > have not
> > > > considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally
> > > compatible
> > > > in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio
> > > files
> > > > database, which is quite extensive.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all your feedback,
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Kohl
>
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:12:37 -0400
From: "Elie"
To:
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <000601c0f3b6$b2a4dc00$6501a8c0@rt2500>
I love my RT2500, been working great since I bought it.
With Mega Pack 3, Matrox packed a whole bunch of new features like media
tools etc.
I have the stable Asus P2B-D with dual PIII 600's and 1 gig of ram, my Cam
is the XL-1 and captures and exports work flawlessly.
Cheers
Elie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> I have no experience with Canopus. I considered Matrox several years ago,
> but they never seem to have their stuff together. I have a DV-500 and
have
> been very satisfied. I have gotten good support from Pinnacle. We just
> reinstalled the DV-500 in twin PIII 1g processor Abit VP6 MB system.
Win2k
> handles IRQs brilliantly, and the new 2.0 software is great. I like the
> DV-500.
>
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christopher Van Nest
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
>
>
> > BTW, I should sort of third that opinion and mention that Canopus in
> general
> > rocks-- I didn't mention it originally because you asked about the Storm
> and
> > we use the Raptor. But if the Raptor is any indication of the Storm
> > setup/usability experience, you'll be able to just install and get to
work
> > reliably. We'll likely upgrade to the Storm (or possibly Raptor-RT)
after
> > this next project cycle.
> >
> > -Christopher
> > ____________________________
> > Host/Producer FREESPORT-TV
> > http://www.freesport-tv.com/
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wes chow [mailto:iminlovewithamcdonaldsgirl@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:09 PM
> > > To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > > Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I second Walt's opinion...
> > >
> > > I have the Storm and it's awesome (have used both the Matrox RT2000
and
> > > DV500 in the past).
> > >
> > > Pinnacle product support is also horrendous. I can bitch about it all
> > > day, but I'll spare DV-L...
> > >
> > >
> > > Wes
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Walt wrote:
> > > > Go Canopus! Minimum problems maximum performance. I use a DVRexRT
and
> > > > it's
> > > > the best DV system I've ever used. I've tried the Matrox products
and
> > > > for DV
> > > > they just don't measure up to the RexRT or the Storm.
> > > >
> > > > Walt
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "andrew kohl"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
> > > > > realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was
> > > > just
> > > > > informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having
system
> > > > > resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until
> > > > they
> > > > > solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me
> > > > up,
> > > > > since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
> > > > >
> > > > > So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> > > > > users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having
> > > > the
> > > > > LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting
close
> > > > to
> > > > > needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not
> > > > sure
> > > > > how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up
> > > > with
> > > > > a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We
> > > > have not
> > > > > considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally
> > > > compatible
> > > > > in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio
> > > > files
> > > > > database, which is quite extensive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all your feedback,
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Kohl
> >
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:07:06 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010612230515.00ab9210@127.0.0.1>
At 12:05 AM 6/12/01 -0700, Elie wrote:
>>Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
>> DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in and out, and analog out"
------
>Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards these days without analog
>in and out?
All you do is use the analog inputs of your DV deck. We capture analog
through our DSR-20 frequently.
John Jackman
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:15:24 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: used equipment
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010612231209.00aa8380@127.0.0.1>
At 12:05 AM 6/12/01 -0700, sphoenix wrote:
> > Also, the vx2000
> > actually performs better than a DSR-500 in candlelight conditions -
> > quite a camera indeed.
Somethin' wrong here. How was this test done?
John Jackman
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:19:13 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: FCP time code error - embarrassing confession
Message-ID: <200106130319.MAA26837@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Daniel,
Good for you. Thanks for getting back to us with the solution.
Jim
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:26:22 -0400
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
Message-ID:
It's funny how video guys are so tech driven. Film guys like the XL-1
because the images look great. Who cares how many lines of whatever. I guess
it depends on what the projects requirements are. With me it's the art and
beauty that come first. For others on this list I guess true resolution may
be more important. I am being serious here, not sarcastic. Don't mean to
offend anyone, but it's get tiring to hear about camera specs all the time
from so many of the video guys I talk to at times. I used to be a film
devotee but the XL-1 changed all that for me. I am not saying it's better or
worse than any other DV camera, it's just for me it's the only choice until
something better comes along.
Steve Sanacore
www.resortimages.com
> From: sphoenix
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: XL2 Rumors?
>
> the frame mode in the XL1 is not true progressive scanning - it just
> guesses so you're actually getting half the resolution pushed up to
> full - which is a fake full picture. This is how it was explained to
> me anyway.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:26:45 -0400
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: Re: FCP timecode error
Message-ID:
I have FCP2 on a G4 400 and have never had a problem with dropped frames
while capturing using a Canon Elura as my deck. All setting are set at
default as far as I know.
Steve Sanacore
> From: John
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:55:52 -0400
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: FCP timecode error
>
>> I was about to weigh in on a similar topic - I get these errors with FCP2,
>> along with dropped frames at the beginning of every capture. I
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:56:14 -0700
From: Cory White
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID:
John...
I suggest having a variety of monitoring devices. Headphones are
great to make sure you have everything sounding good. If your piece
will be aired on a TV, you should listen to it on a TV speaker. If
It'll be played in a large venue through a sound system, put it
through the biggest, loudest system you can. The idea is to simulate
the environment the piece will be played in.
-Cory
>Hi,
>
>for someone who likes portability, is it viable, or even suggested to use
>headphones (instead of, say, nice pricey genelecs) to monitor sound with my
>powerbook? Afterall, its what is suggested to monitor sound while shooting.
>
>JohnT.
>
--
"I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."
-Albert Einstein
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:52:14 -0400
From: "Walt & Sue Johnston"
To:
Subject: WTB: Wide angle lens for GL-1 (ie. WD-58)
Message-ID: <3B26B93E.7375.128A592@localhost>
I would like to buy a wide angle lens for a GL-1, preferably a WD-
58. Second hand is fine.
Walt
_________________________________________________________
Walter & Susan Johnston
OMF International
Kaagapay Video Ministry
"Training the Filipino Church Thru Video"
2250 Loucks Rd., York, PA 17404
Phone (717) 767-5118
www.amdg.com.ph/members/kaagapay
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:36:00 +0000
From: villas
To:
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID:
You are right, an audio engineer said the same thing.
> From: Cory White
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:56:14 -0700
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
>
> John...
>
> I suggest having a variety of monitoring devices. Headphones are
> great to make sure you have everything sounding good. If your piece
> will be aired on a TV, you should listen to it on a TV speaker. If
> It'll be played in a large venue through a sound system, put it
> through the biggest, loudest system you can. The idea is to simulate
> the environment the piece will be played in.
>
> -Cory
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> for someone who likes portability, is it viable, or even suggested to use
>> headphones (instead of, say, nice pricey genelecs) to monitor sound with my
>> powerbook? Afterall, its what is suggested to monitor sound while shooting.
>>
>> JohnT.
>>
>
> --
> "I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."
>
> -Albert Einstein
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:51:28 +0000
From: villas
To:
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID:
but headphones with good range is a good starting point, even though one
should still test it in the environment u want it viewed.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:05:22 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID: <3B2702A3.E1BB8A6D@pacbell.net>
steve sanacore wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I am stumped: I have imported some high resolution scans of architectural
> photos into a video project that was shot on MiniDV. I have done pans and
> zooms of the still images to simulate camera movement. Everything works fine
> but I am getting terrible waviness across the images when zooming, and
> terrible zebra patterns plus all sorts of artifacts in the highlights. I
> have tried lowering the resolution to exactly what I need, lowering
> contrast, chroma, color, but have had no luck in completely eliminating the
> problem.
>
> Any ideas????
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve Sanacore
I would use AE for importing hi res images and doing moves on them then
export this to FCP. FCP doesn't handle resolutions different than the
sequence settings very well, another way is to use Boris Graffitti since
it handles the hi res files as such untill you render to the current res
settings. I talked to a guy who was doing the demo at the Boris booth at
MacWorld and he said he uses Graffitti or Red for doing moves on hi res
pictures a lot.
I hope this helps
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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