DV-L Thu, 14 Jun 2001 Volume 1 : Number 886
In this issue:
RE: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
western digital drives
Water-drop Blur" effect
Re: monitoring sound in post
Importing raw .dv file in Premiere 6 w/ DVRaptor
DVCPro & FCP 2
DCR-PC110
Re: monitoring sound in post
DVCPro & FCP 2
Re: VCD or SVCD on CD-R
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
Re: Pro-50 kit for WJ-MX50 (was New Digital TV Channel)
Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Re: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
Re: monitoring sound in post
Re: AE or FCP help with effect
RE: DVCPRO & FCP 2
Re: monitoring sound in post
WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
OT: warm fuzzies
Re: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Re: OT: warm fuzzies
PAL VCRs
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re: monitoring sound in post
Re: western digital drives
Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
dv out movieplayer?
re: monitoring sound in post
RE: DV-L V1 #885
Re: AE or FCP help with effect!
Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
RE: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Re: Mattebox option for PD150
Re: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
RE: Mattebox option for PD150
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Re: dv out movieplayer? Get "EchoFire" here...
Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
(for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best medicine?
Panasonic Ag-DVC200- anybody using one, whatcha think?
Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best medicine?
Re: Toast 5 and Vide CD's
Re: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best
medicine?
Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Re: AE or FCP help with effect
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:14:58 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID:
If you already have what it takes to actually attract paying clients, then I
think you've outgrown the RaptorRT - I think you owe it to your clients to
get yourself the Storm, RexRT, or something even better.
Yes, no analog input is a nuisance - but so is paying more money for the
convenience and you just can't have both (not now, anyway).
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Elie [mailto:ezakaria@home.com]
What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to edit, then what? We cannot
depend strictly on Digital media these days, Analog still has it's place.
Regards
Elie
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:30:36 EDT
From: Popptartzz@aol.com
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: western digital drives
Message-ID: <34.1664a9e2.2858709c@aol.com>
is anyone using the 80 gig 7200 rpm western digital drive for video with
success? the specs look to be about the same as the ibm 75gig give or take,
and it seems like it would be a better alternative then the maxtor 80gigs. i
know everyone says the ibm's are the best, but i just had a problem with one,
and i've read other reports that make me want to try something new. any
quick experiences with the wd800bb western digital drive is appreciated...i
must buy a new drive today!! thanks
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:47:33 +1000
From: adam ceremuga
To: DV-L
Subject: Water-drop Blur" effect
Message-ID: <313921794.20010613174733@optushome.com.au>
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DL> From: NewsmanSGW@aol.com
DL> I'm trying to blur somebody's face with an effect I've seen that looks like a
DL> drop of water on somebody's face...i.e. it is clear and transparent but the
DL> facial features are blurred as though you are looking through a drop of
DL> water.
DL>
DL> Does anybody know how to accomplish that in FCP-2?
hey newsman.. i think u are looking for the pond ripple effect. drag
taht onto ur video layer in fcp and u are rocking..
cheers adam
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:10:27 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID: <1euy9t4.ezdn2zy6eoiuM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Excellent advice from Cory. We once did a docu in which a tiny, silver
bell had a prominent role. It's little peal sounded so sweet in the edit
room.
Then the piece aired -- and you couldn't hear the bell at all! The very
next day we went out and bought the cheapest, off-brand 19" TV we could
find, and put it right in our main console. We always do our final audio
check through it.
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> John...
>
> I suggest having a variety of monitoring devices. Headphones are
> great to make sure you have everything sounding good. If your piece
> will be aired on a TV, you should listen to it on a TV speaker. If
> It'll be played in a large venue through a sound system, put it
> through the biggest, loudest system you can. The idea is to simulate
> the environment the piece will be played in.
>
> -Cory
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >for someone who likes portability, is it viable, or even suggested to use
> >headphones (instead of, say, nice pricey genelecs) to monitor sound with my
> >powerbook? Afterall, its what is suggested to monitor sound while shooting.
> >
> >JohnT.
> >
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:35:02 -0700
From: Mark Wang
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Importing raw .dv file in Premiere 6 w/ DVRaptor
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010613012803.03e33ed8@markwang.com>
Hi all --
It's my first post to this list; please forgive if this is a FAQ. =)
I'm working on a PC setup with DVRaptor, Windows 2000, and Premiere 6.
For a project, I need to import some DV footage that was shot by someone
else and then transferred to a Mac and exported using QT as a raw .dv file.
Premiere on the PC imports the .dv file just fine, however, when I preview
the movie, it takes an extremely long time to render (0.1x realtime) --
almost as if it was going through a decompression/recompression cycle,
which seems needless and introduces lossiness. Since it's just DV data, it
seems to me that Premiere and/or the DVRaptor drivers should be capable of
simply passing through the DV data to the DVRaptor in real-time without
this processing.
Is there anyway to do that, and avoid this lengthy ordeal?
Thanks for any help.
--
Mark Wang
mailto:mwang@cs.stanford.edu
http://www.markwang.com/
AIM:markwang99
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:52:16 +0800
From: aking
To:
Subject: DVCPro & FCP 2
Message-ID:
Has any one had success with importing footage from
a Panasonic AJ-D215He,(PAL), DVCPRO camera.
We are using the IEEE1394 connector
& FCP2.
Thanks
Andy King
WAAPA@ecu
Western Australia
http://larkrise.tripod.com/index.html
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:08:17 +0300
From: Corneliu.MODILCA@mobil-rom.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: DCR-PC110
Message-ID: <1D72C61686E5D111B412080009FB22BE02B1B7ED@TETHYS>
Hi all,
Does anybody know how to change the menu from japanese to english language?
Thanks.
Cornel
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:46:39 +1200
From: Crazyhorse Pictures
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID: <3B27367F321.3122SOUTHCAM@smtp.world-net.co.nz>
Use a MONO speaker too or you could have phase error
> Excellent advice from Cory. We once did a docu in which a tiny, silver
> bell had a prominent role. It's little peal sounded so sweet in the edit
> room.
>
> Then the piece aired -- and you couldn't hear the bell at all! The very
> next day we went out and bought the cheapest, off-brand 19" TV we could
> find, and put it right in our main console. We always do our final audio
> check through it.
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:08:05 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: DVCPro & FCP 2
Message-ID:
Andy King posted:
>Has any one had success with importing footage from
a Panasonic AJ-D215He,(PAL), DVCPRO camera.
We are using the IEEE1394 connector
& FCP2.<
You need a DVCPRO codec which is not supported (AFAIK) in QuickTime. Various
proprietary systems support it on the PC but I am not aware of a Mac
version. It is disappointing for instance that the Matrox RT2000 supports it
but not the RTMac board.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:21:09 -0700
From: "masi"
To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: VCD or SVCD on CD-R
Message-ID: <00dc01c0f45f$dcde4ac0$bc254fca@a6r2y3>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Haynie"
> If you're going PC-only, there's no huge problem storing Your MPEG-2
> File Of Choice on a normal ISO9660 formatted CD. With a normal Windows
> autoplay script in place, you can even make it auto-starting.
Hi David,
Sorry for the late reply. I've been away. I undersatand how to make an
autorun file for VCD. Is it exactly the same for SVCD? For mpeg1 autorun
VCD's the .inf file requires:
[autorun]
open=mplayer2.exe /play /close /fullscreen \myvideo.mpg
where mplayer2.exe is the mpeg player. What would I use in the case of mpeg2
files using Cyberlinks PowerDVD? Actually is this legal?
Just wondering how to get my SVCD to start automatically when loaded into my
CD-ROM drive. Specifically wondering how to write that autorun file.
thanks for any info
masi
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:33:44 -0500
From: "Steve Gregory"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <001e01c0f3fc$b5317780$a7cacfa9@whq.ual.com>
In principal I agree, seems short sided not to have analog in/out; but my
own solution has been to dub whatever type of analog tape I have to my
digital tape deck...then I just play the digital dub directly into the NLE
card. Extra time, not a big deal though.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hartney"
> "Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
> >DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in and out, and analog
out"
> ------
> Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards these days without analog
> in and out?
> What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to edit, then what? We cannot
> depend strictly on Digital media these days, Analog still has it's place.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:48:51 -0500
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FECD@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
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> Steve Sanacore said, in part:
>
"It's funny how video guys are so tech driven. Film guys like the XL-1
> because the images look great. Who cares how many lines of whatever."
>
I frequently argue with my associates about what I consider to be their
over-emphasis on the technical side of what we do (which happens to
involve the transmission of images and sound over the air). Personally,
I'm more interested in the programming or content side of our doings.
To put that another way, I'm interested in the art, rather than the science,
of television.
On the other hand, I like to be able to discuss my results in unambiguous
terms. What do you mean when you say, "...the images look great"?
I've had an XL-1, and compared to it, I think the images from my JVC
DV500 look great - just like 70 or 90 millimeter film looks so much better
than 35.
-Rik.
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Steve Sanacore said, in part:
"It's funny how video guys are so tech driven. = Film guys like the XL-1
because the images look great. Who = cares how many lines of whatever."
I frequently argue = with my associates about what I consider to be their
over-emphasis on = the technical side of what we do (which happens to
involve the = transmission of images and sound over the air). = Personally,
I'm more interested = in the programming or content side of our doings.
To put that another = way, I'm interested in the art, rather than the science,
of = television.
On the other hand, I = like to be able to discuss my results in unambiguous
terms. What = do you mean when you say, "...the images look great"?
I've had an XL-1, = and compared to it, I think the images from my JVC
DV500 look great - = just like 70 or 90 millimeter film looks so much better
than 35.
-Rik.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Smith
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Pro-50 kit for WJ-MX50 (was New Digital TV Channel)
Message-ID: <9011541.992436275429.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com>
(there is a tally add-on for the Panasonic WJ-MX50, which, with the
> Pro-Fifty upgrade from Bob Rall, is an excellent live mixer -- but Y/C
and
> composite only, no 1394).
Does anyone know where I can find info or purchase this particular kit
mentioned above?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:48:32 -0400
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID:
Bob;
I first saw the problem using AE to do all these effects. Then I tried FCP
but had the same results. There is just too much information in these frames
I guess. Lots of little detail with contrast. I tried removing all color
with Chroma adjustment but it still has the problems. In the print world,
(offset printing), you can eliminate moire's by rotating one of the screens
of one of the inks. Too bad we can't do that in video. It seems to be a
similar problem with an interaction between the lines of the image and the
lines of the TV screen. I can't see it on the computer screen at all, just
on the NTSC monitors and TV's.
Steve Sanacore
> I would use AE for importing hi res images and doing moves on them then
> export this to FCP. FCP doesn't handle resolutions different than the
> sequence settings very well, another way is to use Boris Graffitti since
> it handles the hi res files as such untill you render to the current res
> settings. I talked to a guy who was doing the demo at the Boris booth at
> MacWorld and he said he uses Graffitti or Red for doing moves on hi res
> pictures a lot.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Cheers
> Bob Fisher
> FishPond Digital
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:58:50 -0400
From: John
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID:
>Hi all
>
>
>I am stumped: I have imported some high resolution scans of architectural
>photos into a video project that was shot on MiniDV. I have done pans and
>zooms of the still images to simulate camera movement. Everything works fine
>but I am getting terrible waviness across the images when zooming, and
>terrible zebra patterns plus all sorts of artifacts in the highlights. I
>have tried lowering the resolution to exactly what I need, lowering
>contrast, chroma, color, but have had no luck in completely eliminating the
>problem.
>
Well I can think of two things that might work.
Did you use the de interlace filter?
This one you probably won't like, put a little blur on the image.
I hope this helps but it is always a problem with detail and the NTSC
scan lines trying to figure which line the information belongs in so
it jumps back an forth.
John
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <20010613130143.83064.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>
DVREX RT is targeted to the pro market, DV STorm to
midrange, Raptor to hobbyist/prosumer?
Get yourself a Hollywood Bridge for $300. and that
solves the analog (S/Composite) input problem.
--- Elie wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I still think the extra step is unnecesary. If you
> have the time, then
> maybe.
>
> Matrox has a great future planned for the RT2500, so
> it's not in a coffin
> yet ;-)
> Everyone critisized the RT2000 because it didn't
> offer realtime DV export,
> well Canopus did the same with the Raptor :-)
> My RT2500 and RT2000 have been running stable under
> Win2K for the longest
> time.
>
> Anyway, I consider the Raptor RT, a good cheap
> alternative for the home
> hobbiest, where the DV Storm is targeted at the pro
> market along with the
> Digisuite LX LE and DTV.
>
> Regards,
> Elie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hartney"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:56:17 -0400
> > From: "Elie"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
> > Message-ID:
> <002801c0f2e2$deaa3040$6401a8c0@mtnk1.on.home.com>
> >
> > "Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
> > >DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in
> and out, and analog
> out"
> > ------
> > Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards
> these days without analog
> > in and out?
> > What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to
> edit, then what? We cannot
> > depend strictly on Digital media these days,
> Analog still has it's place.
> >
> > Canopus can do neat things but this time I don't
> know :-(
> >
> > Regards
> > Elie
> > ******
> >
> > I don't see it as a drawback at all. Most cameras
> and decks already have
> > analog composite and component inputs to dv
> already.
> >
> > In the low end market, I think this will be a
> strong competitor because of
> > the scalable power. Time will tell, but with
> Canopus stability I think it
> > will put a nail in the already closing matrox
> rtwhatever coffin.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > John Hartney
> > Fox Valley DV
> > 847.608.1357
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
Message-ID: <20010613130211.87541.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com>
DVREX RT is targeted to the pro market, DV STorm to
midrange, Raptor to hobbyist/prosumer?
Get yourself a Hollywood Bridge for $300. and that
solves the analog (S/Composite) input problem.
--- Elie wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I still think the extra step is unnecesary. If you
> have the time, then
> maybe.
>
> Matrox has a great future planned for the RT2500, so
> it's not in a coffin
> yet ;-)
> Everyone critisized the RT2000 because it didn't
> offer realtime DV export,
> well Canopus did the same with the Raptor :-)
> My RT2500 and RT2000 have been running stable under
> Win2K for the longest
> time.
>
> Anyway, I consider the Raptor RT, a good cheap
> alternative for the home
> hobbiest, where the DV Storm is targeted at the pro
> market along with the
> Digisuite LX LE and DTV.
>
> Regards,
> Elie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hartney"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:56:17 -0400
> > From: "Elie"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT
> > Message-ID:
> <002801c0f2e2$deaa3040$6401a8c0@mtnk1.on.home.com>
> >
> > "Only drawback (but is it really?) is that the
> > >DVRaptorRT has no analog inputs. Only Firewire in
> and out, and analog
> out"
> > ------
> > Yes it is a major draw back, who sells NLE cards
> these days without analog
> > in and out?
> > What if a client brings you an Svideo tapes to
> edit, then what? We cannot
> > depend strictly on Digital media these days,
> Analog still has it's place.
> >
> > Canopus can do neat things but this time I don't
> know :-(
> >
> > Regards
> > Elie
> > ******
> >
> > I don't see it as a drawback at all. Most cameras
> and decks already have
> > analog composite and component inputs to dv
> already.
> >
> > In the low end market, I think this will be a
> strong competitor because of
> > the scalable power. Time will tell, but with
> Canopus stability I think it
> > will put a nail in the already closing matrox
> rtwhatever coffin.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > John Hartney
> > Fox Valley DV
> > 847.608.1357
> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:05:17 -0400
From: steve sanacore
To:
Subject: Re: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
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Rik;
Coming from an advertising photography career, I am also more concerned with
the final image look vs. it's tech specs.
Well, there is probably a way to quantify what we see when we look at images
from the XL-1, JVC, Sony etc. The XL-1 does a few things to the image, to
that gives is a softer look I guess. Pixel shift maybe? I am not a video
tech guy at all, although I am very technical. If someone would explain it
to me I would understand but I really don't care in this regard. My clients
and I think the images look more like film than typical video camera do, and
that's what I want and they want. Maybe it's frame mode, maybe it's pixel
shift, maybe it's the filters I shoot through - probably a combination of
all these. The biggest problem I have with the camera is with it's small
CCD's. If I continue to produce video projects I am sure I will wind up
with a 2/3" CCD progressive camera. The new Panasonic 24P cameras look
promising and I can't wait to try one of those.
Sorry if I rambled on...
Steve Sanacore
www.resortimages.com
From: Rik Albury
Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:48:51 -0500
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
Steve Sanacore said, in part:
"It's funny how video guys are so tech driven. Film guys like the XL-1
because the images look great. Who cares how many lines of whatever."
I frequently argue with my associates about what I consider to be their
over-emphasis on the technical side of what we do (which happens to
involve the transmission of images and sound over the air). Personally,
I'm more interested in the programming or content side of our doings.
To put that another way, I'm interested in the art, rather than the science,
of television.
On the other hand, I like to be able to discuss my results in unambiguous
terms. What do you mean when you say, "...the images look great"?
I've had an XL-1, and compared to it, I think the images from my JVC
DV500 look great - just like 70 or 90 millimeter film looks so much better
than 35.
-Rik.
--MS_Mac_OE_3075267917_198676_MIME_Part
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Rik;
Coming from an advertising photography career, I am also more concerned wit= h the final image look vs. it's tech specs.
Well, there is probably a way to quantify what we see when we look at image= s from the XL-1, JVC, Sony etc. The XL-1 does a few things to the image, to = that gives is a softer look I guess. Pixel shift maybe? I am not a vid= eo tech guy at all, although I am very technical. If someone would exp= lain it to me I would understand but I really don't care in this regard. My = clients and I think the images look more like film than typical video camera= do, and that's what I want and they want. Maybe it's frame mode, maybe it's= pixel shift, maybe it's the filters I shoot through - probably a combinatio= n of all these. The biggest problem I have with the camera is with it's smal= l CCD's. If I continue to produce video projects I am sure I will wind= up with a 2/3" CCD progressive camera. The new Panasonic 24P cameras l= ook promising and I can't wait to try one of those.
Sorry if I rambled on...
Steve Sanacore
www.resortimages.com
From: Rik Albury
Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:48:51 -0500
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rum= ors?)
Steve Sanacore said= , in part:
"It's funny how video guys are so t= ech driven. Film guys like the XL-1
because the images look great. Who cares = how many lines of whatever."=
I frequently argue = with my associates about what I consider to be their over-emphasis on th= e technical side of what we do (which happens to
involve the transmi= ssion of images and sound over the air). Personally,
I'm more interested= in the programming or content side of our doings.
To put that another= way, I'm interested in the art, rather than the science,
of television.
On the other hand, = I like to be able to discuss my results in unambiguous =
terms. What d= o you mean when you say, "...the images look great"?=
I've had an XL-1, a= nd compared to it, I think the images from my JVC
DV500 look great - = just like 70 or 90 millimeter film looks so much better=
than 35.
-Rik.=
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:27:37 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID:
on 6/13/01 4:46 AM, Crazyhorse Pictures at southcam@world-net.co.nz wrote:
> Use a MONO speaker too or you could have phase error
This is good advice. I read an interview with George Martin, legendary
producer of the Beatles. He said something to the effect that most people
recording today would be dumbstruck to learn that the control room at Abbey
Road studios had only one mono speaker, for the exact reason given above.
Once you get microphones critically positioned, the mix balanced, and
everything sounding sweet on a mono speaker, then it is fairly simple to
open it back up to stereo.
I enjoy reading about audio as much as about video. Check out EQ Magazine:
In desktop production, audio & video have, until now, largely been separate
worlds. Although huge improvements have been made lately, it would be nice
if systems were more open so that video applications allowed better
integration of the vast resources available in audio software.
Danny Grizzle
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:21:09 -0500
From: shane@soldesignfx.com (Shane Walker)
To:
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID:
What you're probably seeing is the fine-line high contrast nature of the
linear architectural drawings crossing NTSC scanlines, which will give you
'shimmer'. You can do two things to try and "fix" it, but you'll have this
issue to some degree in these cases. A) scale up/repo the image a few
pixels / percentage or two; perhaps its hitting the scanlines just right
(but with moves, this will be a pointless exercise, because your values are
shifting all the time); B) render in fields. this will help the strobing
laterals and perhaps knock down the artifacting a bit.
hope this helps.
--shane walker
shane@soldesignfx.com
> From: steve sanacore
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:34:46 -0400
> To:
> Subject: AE or FCP help with effect
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I am stumped: I have imported some high resolution scans of architectural
> photos into a video project that was shot on MiniDV. I have done pans and
> zooms of the still images to simulate camera movement. Everything works fine
> but I am getting terrible waviness across the images when zooming, and
> terrible zebra patterns plus all sorts of artifacts in the highlights. I
> have tried lowering the resolution to exactly what I need, lowering
> contrast, chroma, color, but have had no luck in completely eliminating the
> problem.
>
> Any ideas????
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve Sanacore
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:21:34 -0400
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: DVCPRO & FCP 2
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A4AE7A50@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Hello Andy,
This is probably not going to work for two reasons, 1. Apple has not yet
resolved the difference between DVCPRO PAL(4:1:1) and DV PAL (4:2:0) 2.
Assuming that Apple resolved this the next problem is that the AJ-D215 does
not output time code in its 1394 interface and thus the Apple will reject
the signal.
Sorry I cannot offer better news.
Best regards,
Jan Crittenden
Panasonic
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aking [mailto:a.king@cowan.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:52 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: DVCPro & FCP 2
>
>
> Has any one had success with importing footage from
> a Panasonic AJ-D215He,(PAL), DVCPRO camera.
> We are using the IEEE1394 connector
> & FCP2.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy King
> WAAPA@ecu
> Western Australia
>
> http://larkrise.tripod.com/index.html
>
>
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> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
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>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:33:10 +1200
From: Crazyhorse Pictures
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID: <3B2779A616A.8778SOUTHCAM@smtp.world-net.co.nz>
Actually I should clarify that a bit more. You need to "mono up" or
combine BOTH channels of a stereo recording to check for phase error,
not just hook the one channel through one speaker. Phasing is very
undesirable in broadcasting as alternate wave forms completely cancel
each other out so NOTHING or a whole range of frequencies may disappear
when played through a mono TV speaker (which most are!), yet sound fine when
the two channels are separated as in stereo. Incidentally this is how
the pilot tone on a Nagra reel to reel recorder works in that it
generates a pilot tone that locks the recorder into a constant speed yet
the tone can't be heard by the play back heads as the sine waves are
equally opposed and cancel each other out. Iinteresting to talk of the
Beatles, they were the first and one of the few bands to pan stereo hard
left and hard right, as any stereo radio station would find out it they
lost one channel, There would either be just vocals and no backing or
vise versa depending on which channel is not working (this actually
happened to me .. once!)
> on 6/13/01 4:46 AM, Crazyhorse Pictures at southcam@world-net.co.nz wrote:
>
> > Use a MONO speaker too or you could have phase error
>
> This is good advice. I read an interview with George Martin, legendary
> producer of the Beatles. He said something to the effect that most people
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:33:14 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Message-ID:
If you care ( I do) Sorry if this annoys anyone.
>In case there's some one among us who hasn't seen this yet...
>
>More info at http://rollyourownblackout.com/ -lK
>
>_______
>
>ROLL YOUR OWN BLACKOUT THE FIRST DAY OF SUMMER
>June 21, 2001 Thursday eve, 7:00-10:00 P.M., all time zones.
>
>In protest of the current energy policies and lack of emphasis on
>efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, there will be a
>voluntary rolling blackout on the first day of summer, June 21 from
>7 P.M. - 10 P.M. in all time zones (this will create a blackout that
>"rolls" across the planet.)
>
>It's a simple protest and a symbolic act. Turn out your lights and
>unplug anything in your home that you safely can. Light a candle,
>make love, tell ghost stories, or whatever you want to do, instead of
>watching television. Have fun in the dark.
>
>Forward this as widely as possible. Let the powers that be (so to
>speak) know that we want global education, participation, and funding
>in conservation, efficiency and alternative fuel efforts -- and an end
>to over-exploitation and misuse of the earth's resources.
>_______
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:25:08 -0400
From: "Cockrell, John"
To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'"
Subject: OT: warm fuzzies
Message-ID: <01Jun13.113607edt.116163@ed209.radionics.com>
No problems today, just wanted to say I always get the best technical info
and answers to my questions and glean the most useful digital gems o'wisdom
here. Thanks folks!
Cheers,
JC
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:49:34 -0700
From: Ned Barber
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Message-ID: <3B27B5BE.DF7C17DC@pascackvalleybiz.com>
News Release........ June 21st Firestorm Expected
Paid and volunteer fire companies across the nation are gearing up for
the anticipated rash of house fires as millions of home owners
voluntarily turn of lights and light candles in protest of our energy
policies.
Fire chiefs have begun drafting extra help to handle the likely overload
of their capacity. Anyone with a garden hose or a large bucket is asked
to stop by their local firehouse as soon as possible to sign up and be
given a street assignment.........
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:51:50 -0400
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: OT: warm fuzzies
Message-ID:
On 6/13/01 11:25 AM, Cockrell, John got thrown off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> No problems today, just wanted to say I always get the best technical info
> and answers to my questions and glean the most useful digital gems o'wisdom
> here. Thanks folks!
I think it's time for a group hug!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:57:28 -0600
From: Nathan White
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: PAL VCRs
Message-ID: <744756312232D51190B000A0C94970A1029D95@LYRA>
I am looking for a vcr that will allow me to connect pal or ntsc equipment,
playback and record in either format (must have built in converter) . Does
anyone have any suggestions on where to look or a model they would
recommend?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:16:22 -0700
From: Chris Benham
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <10523170.3201412582@[149.175.21.112]>
The JVC SR-VS20U will play back DVCAM, although the 10U does not. I
was fortunate enough to get my order in right after the model upgrade.
The downside is that it only plays the MiniDV format, not the larger
DVCAM tapes that the DSR-20 and models greater will take. The dub
quality is excellent though, much better than the DSR-20 to a VHS deck
through the S-Video connection.
Chris
--On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:06 AM -0700 DV-L
scribed:
> From: "andrew kohl"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
>
>
>> anybody tried this with the JVC DVSU-1 combo svhs/DV deck?
>>
>> thanks..andrew
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:16:24 +0100
From: "BODENHAM GARRY"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID: <3B279FE8.10770.8DBEDD@localhost>
More Beatles: the hard-panned recordings were never meant to be
heard like that, George Martin made a two track pre-mix tape so he
could compress the vocals on final mix. Unfortunately when the
record company went back to the master tapes and picked out the
pre-mix versions by mistake. If you have the original releases you
should find everything spread out properly in the stereo picture (so I
am told).
Garry Bodenham, London.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:34:27 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: western digital drives
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010613093109.020a8250@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 03:30 AM 6/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>is anyone using the 80 gig 7200 rpm western digital drive for video with
>success? the specs look to be about the same as the ibm 75gig give or take,
>and it seems like it would be a better alternative then the maxtor 80gigs. i
>know everyone says the ibm's are the best, but i just had a problem with one,
>and i've read other reports that make me want to try something new. any
>quick experiences with the wd800bb western digital drive is appreciated...i
>must buy a new drive today!! thanks
I just bought 4 Western Digital 30 Gig 7200 SCSI SCA drives, put them in a
external 4x box using the SCA to SCSI III adapters and attached them to my
Adaptec SCSI adaptor, striped them as a single drive and am using them
successfully with my Purple Fast Studio system.
Working excellently in this application.
Andy
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:58:58
From: "John Hartney"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID:
: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:25:15 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <3B2688BB.FDCDB4DD@golden.net>
Hello everyone,
Having worked for 6 years with a DPS Perception, and now needing a
realtime DV system, we have ordered a turnkey matrox rt2500. I was just
informed by the turnkey dealer(sharbor) that they are having system
resource issues(whatever that means) and are not shipping until they
solve it with matrox(which is good but they are trying to sell me up,
since the rt2500 system was at a killer price).
So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close to
needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not sure
how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up with
a documentary on the drives and I need a workable DV system. We have not
considered a Mac system, as we would like to remain totally compatible
in our network(4 PC systems) with software, graphics and audio files
database, which is quite extensive.
Thanks for all your feedback,
Andrew
*******
Hi Andrew,
I'll share my experience with you. I bought an rt2000 on first realease in
Feb. of 2000 and was disappointed when drivers were terribly unstable, to
the point I couldn't use the system at all. I did expect bugs, but this was
beyond buggy. It wasnt' until release of their service pack 3 that the
system was stable enough to be used at all for professional work i.e. didn't
crash every 5 minutes.
This was on all Matrox approved hardware.
Now it resides on a bx chipset board with win2000 and the latest drivers and
it is pretty stable, but the box is empty except for the rt2000.
This was the worst piece of hardware I've ever configured a system around
and I have a B.E.E. degree, have built systems since the early 80's, and
have worked as a broadcast engineer for ABC NEWS, ESPN, CNN, blah blah
blah..... absolutly the worst. Matrox tech support was good, but I racked
up over $100 in phone charges.
I recommend canopus products now... I couldn't endorse Matrox after my
experience with their product. I think the integrators are holding back now
because again Matrox drivers are buggy and not ready for release.
Best,
John Hartney
Fox Valley DV
847.608.1357
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Date: 13 Jun 2001 10:04:49 -0700
From: pnyboer@slambassador.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: dv out movieplayer?
Message-ID: <20010613170449.28012.cpmta@c000.sfo.cp.net>
an age old question, but I'm wondering if anything has changed on this front...is it possible to get DV movies to output via firewire in MoviePlayer on a Mac? Are there any drivers currently available to do this? I remember the old Edit DV drivers used to do this for audio, and there were some old Adaptec drivers that would do this for audio and video, but those don't seem to be available anymore...
Pete.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:16:55 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: re: monitoring sound in post
Message-ID:
on 6/13/01 11:16 AM, BODENHAM GARRY at G.Bodenham@greenwich.ac.uk wrote:
> More Beatles: the hard-panned recordings were never meant to be
> heard like that, George Martin made a two track pre-mix tape so he
> could compress the vocals on final mix. Unfortunately when the
> record company went back to the master tapes and picked out the
> pre-mix versions by mistake. If you have the original releases you
> should find everything spread out properly in the stereo picture (so I
> am told).
I like this story because it highlights my own struggles with version
control.
I do have the original Beatle releases on vinyl. Back then, record albums
were issued in both mono and hi-fidelity stereo versions. Stereo was a new
technology, and there was lots of experimentation. Through the timeframe of
Rubber Soul (1964) and Revolver (1965), there was a lot of hard panning
going on. The introduction to George Harrison's "Taxman", the opening track
of Revolver, is a perfect example.
I'm just glad that the people involved had the talent and taste to master
their tools quickly. The Beatles deserve to be preserved for posterity, and
the outstanding quality of their recordings are essentially perfect and
timeless, unless we evolve better hearing.
Contrast this to the work of Roy Orbison. Again, a unique talent, and I
dearly love his stuff. But the bulk of his catalog is compromised by hack
period arrangements, poor musicianship, and amateurish production &
engineering. It is at once both brilliant and painful to listen to.
Going back to the master tapes doesn't necessarily help. Anything recorded
before the 1970's was extremely primitive by today's standards. The standard
example is the Beatles landmark Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, which
was recorded on a 4 track tape machine by bouncing tracks. As a result,
there are no intermediate mixes -- no such thing as an "undo" command when
bouncing tracks!
Every technology carries temptation. I think it is best to avoid wretched
excess regardless of the canvas. I'm sure there will be ample evidence of
this for future generations -- you should see the World War II era tattoo on
my uncle's arm.
Danny Grizzle
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:20:11 -0700
From: "David Finney"
To: ,
Subject: RE: DV-L V1 #885
Message-ID:
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Take a look at the Osprey 2000 from Viewcast. It has both DV and SDI
inputs. It is not an inexpensive board, but it is less expensive than
the ones from Optibase.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:18:47 -0700
From: "Paul Michel"
To:
Subject: AVI vs MPEG
Message-ID: <003901c0f37c$e35bea80$4fc41f0a@arrow.com>
Anyone know of a reliable DV to MPEG capture system via Firewire? I've
used
both MGI and Ulead with a std IEEE1394 card and cable. They both capture
in
AVI and can then convert to MPEG. The AVI files are HUGE. From what I've
been reading, you can only capture direct to MPEG via analog. Is that
true?
Would the resolution in an MPEG clip converted from AVI be noticeably
better
that one recorded direct to MPEG? Thanks for your input everyone....
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Take a look at the Osprey 2000 from Viewcast. It has = both DV and SDI inputs. It is not an inexpensive board, but it is less = expensive than the ones from Optibase.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:18:47 -0700
From: "Paul Michel" =
To:
Subject: AVI vs MPEG
Message-ID: = <003901c0f37c$e35bea80$4fc41f0a@arrow.com>
Anyone know of a reliable DV to MPEG capture system = via Firewire? I've used
both MGI and Ulead with a std IEEE1394 card and = cable. They both capture in
AVI and can then convert to MPEG. The AVI files are = HUGE. From what I've
been reading, you can only capture direct to MPEG via = analog. Is that true?
Would the resolution in an MPEG clip converted from = AVI be noticeably better
that one recorded direct to MPEG? Thanks for your = input everyone....
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:06:40 +0200
From: Joachim Smith
To: steve sanacore , DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect!
Message-ID: <3B27AAA1.C10CBDF5@swipnet.se>
Bob Fisher wrote:
>
> steve sanacore wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I am stumped: I have imported some high resolution scans of architectural
> > photos into a video project that was shot on MiniDV. I have done pans and
> > zooms of the still images to simulate camera movement. Everything works fine
> > but I am getting terrible waviness across the images when zooming, and
> > terrible zebra patterns plus all sorts of artifacts in the highlights. I
> > have tried lowering the resolution to exactly what I need, lowering
> > contrast, chroma, color, but have had no luck in completely eliminating the
> > problem.
> >
> > Any ideas????
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve Sanacore
>
> I would use AE for importing hi res images and doing moves on them then
> export this to FCP. FCP doesn't handle resolutions different than the
> sequence settings very well, another way is to use Boris Graffitti since
> it handles the hi res files as such untill you render to the current res
> settings. I talked to a guy who was doing the demo at the Boris booth at
> MacWorld and he said he uses Graffitti or Red for doing moves on hi res
> pictures a lot.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Cheers
> Bob Fisher
> FishPond Digital
I've been having similar problems in FCP with jittering details and
waving horisontal lines, importing high res images from a Canon D30
digital SLR, some of them composite panoramas of two or even three
frames, close to the max allowed resolution of 4000 pixels.
After reading Bob's advice about Boris plug-ins, I went to the Boris
Factory website and stumbled by accident over a goldmine right there -
Tim's Corner! The URL for Tim's tips pages for animating stills (same
guy that you met at MacWorld, Bob?) is:
www.borisfx.com/timscorner/Tips/BigPictures/
It's shock full of invaluable advice how to animate large still images,
of course mainly using Boris products, but there's a lot of general
stuff that I immediately put to great use in native FCP. Such as -
*** Apply a Photoshop vertical 'Motion Blur' of 1 - 2 pixels to the
original image. This is a real life-saver - it kills the horrible
horisontal jitter as if by magic, without affecting the overall
impression of sharpness in the video picture. Fabulous - in one fell
stroke it solved my major headache!
*** In Levels (still in Photoshop) set your _Output_ black level to 16
(instead of 0) and _Output_ white to 235 (instead of 255). That should
take care of the highlight problems, since video doesn't handle the
brightness range of a computer monitor.
There's lots of more invaluable stuff there, for free. You can't afford
to be without it.
Good luck,
Joachim Smith
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:57:58 -0700
From: Evan Donn
To:
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID:
> I first saw the problem using AE to do all these effects. Then I tried FCP
> but had the same results. There is just too much information in these frames
> I guess. Lots of little detail with contrast. I tried removing all color
> with Chroma adjustment but it still has the problems. In the print world,
> (offset printing), you can eliminate moire's by rotating one of the screens
> of one of the inks. Too bad we can't do that in video.
Try a one pixel gaussian blur, vertical dimension only (in AE). Pre-comp
what you've already got and put the filter on the whole thing.
Evan
--
"Literate man is not only dumb and vague in the presence of film or photo,
but he intensifies his ineptness by a defensive arrogance and condescension
to "pop kulch" and "mass entertainment"
-Marshall McLuhan
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:07:12 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010613135850.01e891d0@mail.speakeasy.org>
>So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
>users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
>LEAST technical problems and best workability. We are getting close to
If you have the time, join the relevant mail lists. Joining all 3 recently,
I saw this:
DV500 - most troubles
RT2000 - lots, but less.
DVStorm - almost none. All posts were of the 'how do I do this' variety.
Of course, I realize that the less expensive systems will attract less
experienced people and thus more trouble.
Anyway, Only the DVStorm does 'real' DV front to back in real time if
that's important to you. All 3 do real time editing. I went with the DVStorm.
>needing to edit 3 projects by the end of the month, and I am not sure
>how this is going to happen without a system. Our PVR is filled up with
Always a mistake rushing. As of the end of this month your choices will
change completely with the Canopus release of the RaptorRT. It will
outprice both cheaper solutions above (but presumably will not out-perform
the DVStorm?). http://www.justedit.com/press/raptorrtpress.php3
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joel W. Smit"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Message-ID: <20010613180636.28558.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com>
ROTFLOL!!!
Q: Can one read a text on free market capitalism by
candle light?
Joel Dubya
--- Ned Barber wrote:
> News Release........ June 21st Firestorm Expected
>
> Paid and volunteer fire companies across the nation
> are gearing up for
> the anticipated rash of house fires as millions of
> home owners
> voluntarily turn of lights and light candles in
> protest of our energy
> policies.
>
> Fire chiefs have begun drafting extra help to handle
> the likely overload
> of their capacity. Anyone with a garden hose or a
> large bucket is asked
> to stop by their local firehouse as soon as possible
> to sign up and be
> given a street assignment.........
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:06:33 -0500
From: "Doug Wise"
To:
Subject: RE: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Message-ID:
As someone who works for a chain of 65 candle stores, we teach candle
safety.
You can find a summary here: http://candleman.com/care.htm
Doug Wise
dougw@candleman.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:22:31 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To: Michael Grant ,
DV-L List
Subject: Re: Mattebox option for PD150
Message-ID:
on 6/13/01 12:55 PM, Michael Grant at michaelgrant@home.com wrote:
> Do you have any recommendations on the first set of basic filters I MUST
> own. I've heard Black Pro Mist for a softer look. Do you agree and what
> specific filters should I buy and from where.
You must own a polarizer. That's the only thing I know for sure.
I can't hold myself out as any kind of authority. This matte box issue is
overblown. They look cool, like big tires on a 4x4 truck. As someone who has
worked on feature films, if I were to get real honest in the confessional
booth of the DV-L List, I'd have to admit that the largest factor in
slapping a Chrosziel onto the DSR-500 (and perhaps in buying a DSR-500!) was
pure vanity, because I can't stand the thought of allowing myself to appear
to be a prosumer, event videographer, or hack TV station shooter.
That should offend virtually everyone on this list.
All my bad attitude reflects the worst of old film vs. video prejudices. In
my case, it has nothing to do with format wars per se, but everything to do
with the baggage and fundamental approach that various traditions bring to
their work. I can tolerate someone shooting with their mother's VHS
camcorder, so long as their point of quality reference is Panavision, not
Radio Shack.
If the truth were known, I can't stand sloppy work, and I don't suffer fools
well. To me, a fool is someone who either misrepresents how accomplished
they are, or who persists in perpetrating their own incompetence. A hallmark
of real fools is being blissfully unaware of their own limitations. This is
not the same as taking risks and pushing boundaries, or failing to think
different. Fools should not be confused with the inexperienced or with
idiots. We all have to start somewhere. I'm no beginner, but I'm still an
idiot often enough.
Technical mastery gets more involved with a camera like the DSR-500, where
you have options over setup and sophisticated circuitry like dynamic
contrast control. I'm about to take a hiatus just to experiment with
different combinations of setup and filtration. When you're about to embark
on a major production, it only makes sense to tune your kit for the specific
look you want to achieve.
Regardless of tools, regardless of accessories, I think the key distinction
of high quality work, technical or not, is thoughtfulness, consideration,
respect, and critical application. That means knowing your stuff cold
(cameras, subject, people). On the technical side, you should be like a
Marine who can tear down, clean, and reassemble a weapon in 15 seconds, all
in pitch darkness.
It's more than that. A good operator needs to be organized to the nth
degree, mentally alert, and physically conditioned. Stamina at the end of a
long day will produce more results than all the filters ever made. The main
thing that goes wrong in production is succumbing to pure laziness. The
difference between pros and amateurs is that pros *work* to make perfect
shots.
Matte boxes are a peripheral issue. Frankly, I see no added value from any
external matte box on a PD150. None of them are going to do much more than
the one Sony includes with the camera. The only justification for a matte
box is use as a filter holder. That only makes sense if you already own a
ton of square filters. Otherwise, just pick up a cheap screw-mount 58mm
polarizer and be happy.
In fact, unless you are mixing a PD150 with a larger camera like a DSR-500,
I'd forget about all the glamorous front-of-lens gear marketed to filmmaker
wannabes, and stick with cheaper still photo accessories. They're a good
match to the PD150. If you want to do something jazzy, check out the Cokin
stuff.
Pick up some filter brochures at your local photo retailer, or from
manufacturers like Tiffen. Nobody can buy them all, but you should be
familiar with what is available, so you will be educated and prepared.
Nothing beats knowing your stuff, and that comes through reading and
experience. All these exotic special effects techniques in feature films
come from guys who are just mixing and matching crazy old ideas in crazy new
ways.
As far as matte boxes go... the only operative thing is to keep direct light
from falling onto the filters or lens -- unless that's what you're after. A
matte box won't really do this well, no better than a $5 rubber lens hood.
But a french flag will do the trick. Better yet, train someone on your crew
(or a teenage nephew) to hand flag the lens during the shot. You'll need
that skill anyway, once you start handholding or moving the camera.
Danny Grizzle
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:38:41 +0000
From: villas
To:
Subject: Re: What does "great" mean? (Was: XL2 Rumors?)
Message-ID:
> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
--MS_Mac_OE_3075269921_939219_MIME_Part
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
http://www.adamwilt.com/DV.html
is a good starting point. (For DV, not XL2 specifically)
Coming from an advertising photography career, I am also more concerned with
the final image look vs. it's tech specs.
Well, there is probably a way to quantify what we see when we look at images
from the XL-1, JVC, Sony etc. The XL-1 does a few things to the image, to
that gives is a softer look I guess. Pixel shift maybe? I am not a video
tech guy at all, although I am very technical. If someone would explain it
to me I would understand but I really don't care in this regard.
--MS_Mac_OE_3075269921_939219_MIME_Part
Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.adamwilt.com/DV.html
is a good starting point. (For DV, not XL2 specifically)
Coming from an advertising photography career, I am also more concerned wit= h the final image look vs. it's tech specs.
Well, there is probably a way to quantify what we see when we look at image= s from the XL-1, JVC, Sony etc. The XL-1 does a few things to the image, to = that gives is a softer look I guess. Pixel shift maybe? I am not a vid= eo tech guy at all, although I am very technical. If someone would exp= lain it to me I would understand but I really don't care in this regard.
--MS_Mac_OE_3075269921_939219_MIME_Part--
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:36:44 -0400
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: Mattebox option for PD150
Message-ID:
Danny,
Thanks for the intense overview. As one fairly seasoned professional to
another, I think your thoughts hit a number
of nails on the head. You newbie's out there: pay attention!
EBerlin
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Grizzle [mailto:danny@mogulhost.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:23 PM
To: Michael Grant; DV-L List
Subject: Re: Mattebox option for PD150
on 6/13/01 12:55 PM, Michael Grant at michaelgrant@home.com wrote:
> Do you have any recommendations on the first set of basic filters I MUST
> own. I've heard Black Pro Mist for a softer look. Do you agree and what
> specific filters should I buy and from where.
You must own a polarizer. That's the only thing I know for sure.
I can't hold myself out as any kind of authority. This matte box issue is
overblown. They look cool, like big tires on a 4x4 truck. As someone who has
worked on feature films, if I were to get real honest in the confessional
booth of the DV-L List, I'd have to admit that the largest factor in
slapping a Chrosziel onto the DSR-500 (and perhaps in buying a DSR-500!) was
pure vanity, because I can't stand the thought of allowing myself to appear
to be a prosumer, event videographer, or hack TV station shooter.
That should offend virtually everyone on this list.
All my bad attitude reflects the worst of old film vs. video prejudices. In
my case, it has nothing to do with format wars per se, but everything to do
with the baggage and fundamental approach that various traditions bring to
their work. I can tolerate someone shooting with their mother's VHS
camcorder, so long as their point of quality reference is Panavision, not
Radio Shack.
If the truth were known, I can't stand sloppy work, and I don't suffer fools
well. To me, a fool is someone who either misrepresents how accomplished
they are, or who persists in perpetrating their own incompetence. A hallmark
of real fools is being blissfully unaware of their own limitations. This is
not the same as taking risks and pushing boundaries, or failing to think
different. Fools should not be confused with the inexperienced or with
idiots. We all have to start somewhere. I'm no beginner, but I'm still an
idiot often enough.
Technical mastery gets more involved with a camera like the DSR-500, where
you have options over setup and sophisticated circuitry like dynamic
contrast control. I'm about to take a hiatus just to experiment with
different combinations of setup and filtration. When you're about to embark
on a major production, it only makes sense to tune your kit for the specific
look you want to achieve.
Regardless of tools, regardless of accessories, I think the key distinction
of high quality work, technical or not, is thoughtfulness, consideration,
respect, and critical application. That means knowing your stuff cold
(cameras, subject, people). On the technical side, you should be like a
Marine who can tear down, clean, and reassemble a weapon in 15 seconds, all
in pitch darkness.
It's more than that. A good operator needs to be organized to the nth
degree, mentally alert, and physically conditioned. Stamina at the end of a
long day will produce more results than all the filters ever made. The main
thing that goes wrong in production is succumbing to pure laziness. The
difference between pros and amateurs is that pros *work* to make perfect
shots.
Matte boxes are a peripheral issue. Frankly, I see no added value from any
external matte box on a PD150. None of them are going to do much more than
the one Sony includes with the camera. The only justification for a matte
box is use as a filter holder. That only makes sense if you already own a
ton of square filters. Otherwise, just pick up a cheap screw-mount 58mm
polarizer and be happy.
In fact, unless you are mixing a PD150 with a larger camera like a DSR-500,
I'd forget about all the glamorous front-of-lens gear marketed to filmmaker
wannabes, and stick with cheaper still photo accessories. They're a good
match to the PD150. If you want to do something jazzy, check out the Cokin
stuff.
Pick up some filter brochures at your local photo retailer, or from
manufacturers like Tiffen. Nobody can buy them all, but you should be
familiar with what is available, so you will be educated and prepared.
Nothing beats knowing your stuff, and that comes through reading and
experience. All these exotic special effects techniques in feature films
come from guys who are just mixing and matching crazy old ideas in crazy new
ways.
As far as matte boxes go... the only operative thing is to keep direct light
from falling onto the filters or lens -- unless that's what you're after. A
matte box won't really do this well, no better than a $5 rubber lens hood.
But a french flag will do the trick. Better yet, train someone on your crew
(or a teenage nephew) to hand flag the lens during the shot. You'll need
that skill anyway, once you start handholding or moving the camera.
Danny Grizzle
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:15:38 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010613151112.036691f0@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 04:58 PM 6/13/01 +0000, you wrote:
>So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
>users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
>LEAST technical problems and best workability.
I know that this isn't part of the equation but I've been working with
Fast's Purple system for over 8 months now with no technical problems and
100% workability. Much of the work was accomplished during beta testing of
various build of the software and each build was invisible. The system is
strong and professional. Granted I've added the Intime board which makes
background rendering a painless experience.
IMHO, I'd have to give this system a definite A Plus.
Andy Stevens
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:31:59 -0400
From: "Bob S."
To:
Subject: Re: dv out movieplayer? Get "EchoFire" here...
Message-ID:
on 6/13/01 1:04 PM, pnyboer@slambassador.com at pnyboer@slambassador.com
wrote:
> an age old question, but I'm wondering if anything has changed on this
> front...is it possible to get DV movies to output via firewire in MoviePlayer
> on a Mac? Are there any drivers currently available to do this? I remember
> the old Edit DV drivers used to do this for audio, and there were some old
> Adaptec drivers that would do this for audio and video, but those don't seem
> to be available anymore...
>
> Pete.
>
>
Go here:
www.synthetic-ap.com
You can download a demo of "EchoFire", plays QT movie out firewire and also
Photoshop pictures.
Bob S.
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:34:45 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
Message-ID: <009f01c0f459$11e28b20$6401a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
OK, I'll bite what's the price for the Purple? Is it native DV or MPEG2?
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Stevens"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Users of RT2X/Storm/DV500
> At 04:58 PM 6/13/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >So I am asking the list users as to who is using what. RT2000/2500
> >users, DV500 users and Storm users as to feedback. Who is having the
> >LEAST technical problems and best workability.
>
> I know that this isn't part of the equation but I've been working with
> Fast's Purple system for over 8 months now with no technical problems and
> 100% workability. Much of the work was accomplished during beta testing
of
> various build of the software and each build was invisible. The system is
> strong and professional. Granted I've added the Intime board which makes
> background rendering a painless experience.
>
> IMHO, I'd have to give this system a definite A Plus.
>
> Andy Stevens
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:39:57 -0500
From: henry czuprinski
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best medicine?
Message-ID:
After a dumb mistake killed my G4 master hd and all data, I wonder
what's the essential software toolkit
for a digital filmmaker? My old copies of techtool& HDtoolkit are
obsolete. Don't have dough to burn but what are the favorite/must
have maintenance app(s) for a dv editing system. Any suggestions?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:44:41 -0500
From: henry czuprinski
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Panasonic Ag-DVC200- anybody using one, whatcha think?
Message-ID:
If anyone's using the new 1/2in Panasonic cam, how about sharing your
impressions with the list.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:14:03 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best medicine?
Message-ID: <200106140014.JAA05309@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
I've been using Techtool for more than a year now. I switched over from
Norton when I realized how much money I spent on upgrades. TT offers more
free upgrades that not only keep it compatible with latest versions of
OS, but also add features. Not with Norton. Still I think Norton is a
good utility software, and its optimizer is faster than TT's. I've only
heard about the strengths and power of Disk Warrior, so I don't have
first hand knowledge of it. Still it sounds good. Alsoft's optimization
software PlusOptimizer is quite good.
I know it seems like a lot of money to buy a utility program, especially
when you don't have much money and a utility program doesn't help you
create anything. Still it is the best thing you can have on your hd, as
we all have learned the hard way.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:30:26 +1000
From: Rod Paterson
To:
Subject: Re: Toast 5 and Vide CD's
Message-ID:
Toast converted the Quicktime file to MPEG for me (took 2hrs for
5minutes of video) - it was when I tried to burn the file that the
problems started.
Is it better to use some other type of software to do the compression
(do you get better quality)?
Cheers,
Rod
>
>Worked fine for me. G4/400, Yamaha SCSI CD-RW. How did you get the
>MPEG stream? Did you let Toast make it for you? Perhaps your G3 isn't
>fast enough to do that. I used QT5 pro to do the MPEG.
>
>On a side note, the quality is crap. There is so many compression
>artifacts the result is not worth the effort. It looks good on a
>computer at 320x240 but on TV it stinks!
>
>YMMV...
>
> >Has anyone used Toast 5 to burn a Video CD? When I click 'record' I
>>get a message saying "Interface error 6: The connection is not
>>stable". The whole program then turns to treacle and slows right
>>down and I usually end up restarting the computer.
>>
>>This is at 1x speed on a B&W G3 Macintosh. I'm using a fairly old
>>SCSI Sony CD burner - but according to the website it's supported
> >by Toast 5.
>>
>>I've tried turning all the extensions off but to no avail.
>>
>>I can burn other formats (data etc) with no problems at faster speeds.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
> >Rod Paterson
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:36:50 EDT
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC DELETE IF OUTSIDE USA Fwd: roll your own blackout
Message-ID:
Ah, new paradigm: Embrace the darkness and curse the light:
<< -- Ned Barber wrote:
> News Release........ June 21st Firestorm Expected
>
> Paid and volunteer fire companies across the nation
> are gearing up for
> the anticipated rash of house fires as millions of
> home owners
> voluntarily turn of lights and light candles in
> protest of our energy
> policies.
>
> Fire chiefs have begun drafting extra help to handle
> the likely overload
> of their capacity. Anyone with a garden hose or a
> large bucket is asked
> to stop by their local firehouse as soon as possible
> to sign up and be
> given a street assignment.........
>>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:04:10 -0600
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best
medicine?
Message-ID:
>After a dumb mistake killed my G4 master hd and all data, I wonder
>what's the essential software toolkit
>for a digital filmmaker? My old copies of techtool& HDtoolkit are
>obsolete. Don't have dough to burn but what are the favorite/must
>have maintenance app(s) for a dv editing system. Any suggestions?
I use all three, but I prefer Disk Warrior of the other two.
Nancy S.
--
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:52:17 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: New Canopus Card - DV Raptor RT!!!
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010613224449.00ac55c0@127.0.0.1>
At 12:06 AM 6/13/01 -0700, Franz Hespenheide wrote:
>I had made up my mind to purchase the DV Storm.
>Then Canopus announces the DV Raptor RT !
>Is there any difference between the two other
>than the DV Storm accepts analogue input ?
>Can I save $ 1,000 and still get the same
>firewire features, etc. ?
The other difference is that, like the Matrox RT2000 and Pinnacle DV500,
the real time is only for onscreen preview and analog output, not for 1394
output to DV tape. If you read the news release carefully, you'll see this
line:
"delivers render-free, real-time native DV editing, DV capture and analog
output (DV output requires rendering on transitions, filters and titles). "
The Storm and RexRT can output over 1394 without rendering.
John Jackman
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:10:57 -0400
From: John Jackman
To:
Subject: Re: AE or FCP help with effect
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010613225748.00aa9030@127.0.0.1>
At 12:06 AM 6/13/01 -0700, Steve Sanacore wrote:
>I am stumped: I have imported some high resolution scans of architectural
>photos into a video project that was shot on MiniDV. I have done pans and
>zooms of the still images to simulate camera movement. Everything works fine
>but I am getting terrible waviness across the images when zooming, and
>terrible zebra patterns plus all sorts of artifacts in the highlights
I'm currently putting together a case study for DV Mag on this topic, but
that doesn't help you now. Here's a few quick tips:
DV -- actually NTSC in general -- doesn't handle sharp, high-contast edges
well. Your drawings are sure to be filled with them. The lines need to be
heavily antialiased -- in short, blurred. If you're starting with a large
file and then scaling down, remember that SHARPENS the edges, so even if
you start with proper antialiasing when you "zoom" out, the edges will
again be too sharp. Because the lines in these drawings are so thin, it
may never work quite right.
TIPS:
Scale the pic down to the smallest size you can use. In Photoshop, run
BLUR MORE at least once.
Make sure the colors are legal. Use LEVELS to bring black up to 16 and
white down to 235.
In AE when you start at 100%, the pic may be OK -- as you scale down ("zoom
out") you may need to apply progressively stronger FAST BLUR. Try starting
with 0 and then increase to 1 (depends on size of GFX).
Technically, what is happening is the codec is laboring hard to preserve
the detail you've thrown at it, but it is doing so with a set bit
budget. Thus it is crunching parts of the picture way too much, and still
doesn't have enough "room" to work.
More soon --
John Jackman
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