DV-L Sat, 16 Jun 2001 Volume 1 : Number 888
In this issue:
Capturing video via Firewire
Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best
medicine?
Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best medicine?
Re: Fun with flip books
Re: Fun with flip books
NTSC verus PAL
Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best
medicine?
Ghost in the machine
Digital Media Marketing Org.
RE: Ghost in the machine
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Re: Black & Black
Anamorphic for PD-150
Ghost in the machine
Re: Columbia Audio/Video???
Re: DV or DVCAM?
Is this compatible?
Re: Is this compatible?
True 16:9 DV
Re: Columbia Audio/Video???
need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
rules of cinematography
Re: Forget about analogue (was Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT)
Re: need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
Re: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Help a DV Newbie spend some money
RE: need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
RE: Help a DV Newbie spend some money
RE: Fun with flip books
RE: Ghost in the machine
Understanding VX1000 color level preset (was need help with
vx1000 ASAP!!)
True 16:9 DV
Q: how good is Avid MCXpress 1.6?
Re: True 16:9 DV
Once again I'm amazed!
RE: True 16:9 DV
Re: True 16:9 DV
Re: True 16:9 DV
Re: Q: how good is Avid MCXpress 1.6?
Anniversary Party
SmartSound Sonicfire Pro for Windows - Disappointing Upgrade!
RE: True 16:9 DV
Re: Once again I'm amazed!
Re: Once again I'm amazed!
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:22:12 +0200
From: "Koen Beek"
To:
Subject: Capturing video via Firewire
Message-ID:
I am trying to capture video from a 'Mini DV PAL' camera with a Firewire
board to windows 2000.
I'm getting perfect sound but the image is distorted.
The distortion is always the same : A lot of points of the image constantly
show up at another fixed position of the screen
Could anyone suggest what could be the problem ? Is it software or hardware,
the board or the camera ?
Camera : JVC GR-DVL9600 Mini DV PAL
Firewire Board : Cherri1394
Controller : Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
OS : Windows 2000
Software : Ulead Videostudio 4.0 SE Basic
Thanks,
Koen
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:06:30 -0400
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best
medicine?
Message-ID:
On 6/14/01 9:52 PM, jhogg got thrown off a skyscraper and screamed:
> You have to trash the cache before you
> free up all the space. Still, it seems more often than not, when I
> optimize, the beginning of the process goes smoothly, but then it bogs
> down. When I optimize frequently, as is suggested, things are much
> quicker.
Hmmm... how does one trash the trash cache? (LOL)
Thanx,
Keith
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:00:24 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best medicine?
Message-ID: <200106151400.XAA26325@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
>> You have to trash the cache before you
>> free up all the space. Still, it seems more often than not, when I
>> optimize, the beginning of the process goes smoothly, but then it bogs
>> down. When I optimize frequently, as is suggested, things are much
>> quicker.
>
>
>Hmmm... how does one trash the trash cache? (LOL)
>
>Thanx,
>
>Keith
Go to the control panel for TTP. Click on Trash Cache and then click the
Purge Cache Now button.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:37:30 -0400
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Fun with flip books
Message-ID:
One of the students at the school where I am a tech did something very cool
along those lines. After using our high tech 3D and compositing
software, he printed out a premiere filmstrip, reduced the size, and
actually silk-screened the images in layers onto clear 16mm leader.The
result was pretty amazing, albeit abstract, looking.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:44:39 -0700
From: Karl Lohninger
To:
Subject: Re: Fun with flip books
Message-ID:
Sounds very interisting, just what is "high tech 3D and compositing
software'?
Rg, Karl
On 06/15/01 7:37 AM, "D P" wrote:
> One of the students at the school where I am a tech did something very cool
> along those lines. After using our high tech 3D and compositing
> software, he printed out a premiere filmstrip, reduced the size, and
> actually silk-screened the images in layers onto clear 16mm leader.The
> result was pretty amazing, albeit abstract, looking.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:50:17 -0600
From: Nathan White
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: NTSC verus PAL
Message-ID: <744756312232D51190B000A0C94970A1029DA2@LYRA>
has anyone done side by side comparisons of the same camera but in different
formats?
just curious of the results
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:42:44 -0400
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: (for Mac) Norton,Techtools,Disk Warrior- what's the best
medicine?
Message-ID:
On 6/15/01 10:00 AM, jhogg got thrown off a skyscraper and screamed:
> Go to the control panel for TTP. Click on Trash Cache and then click the
> Purge Cache Now button.
Thanx for the info man! That helped.
Keith
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:10:48 -0700
From: "Bell, Christopher"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: Ghost in the machine
Message-ID: <2DFD7FC271F3D2118E0000C00D0092300B6B7F@CHXCHNG>
I've got a project coming up where we would like to produce a ghost effect.
We will be shooting a locked-down static shot w/ single talent frame left.
We would like to have the ghost talent walk into the scene frame right, then
walk out same side. The talent won't notice each other or cross axis'. I
have some ideas for the effect but would love to hear other ideas. It will
be shot with a DSR500 and edited on FCP system. I also may have After
Effects by that time too.
Christopher J. Bell
CityTV18
(805)564-5311
citytv18.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:12:24 EDT
From: ClarkKent@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Digital Media Marketing Org.
Message-ID:
I would like to announce to this list, which I've been part of for a number
of years, the formation of a new organization called DMMO (Digital Media
Marketing Org.) The purpose of the org is promote the uses of video, DVD and
CD-ROM (often in conjunction with the internet) for marketing purposes. Kodak
is a sponsor of the organization.
In July, the organization is starting it's monthly newsletter. In addition we
will be writing three pages of editorial on digital marketing for Apple
Computer's website.
We are seeking companies who have produced marketing materials on Video,
CD-ROM or DVD. (If you happen to produce it using Apple's products you could
be a contender for a case study on their website!)
In fall of this year we will be announcing a contest for best examples of
Video, DVD and CD-ROM for marketing purposes. Adweek, Brandweek, and
Mediaweek Magazines will announce the winners and feature them in a
supplement we co-publish with them.
We are all very excited about all of this, but we really need your support by
becoming members. Corporate membership (you're company is featured on our
website which will have links from Apples) is only $1,395.00 per year.
Individual membership is only $595.00. We are using this money for our
promotions, and tours around the country promoting our members to major
companies and consumer brands.
Please check out our website for more information:
www.digitalmediamarketing.org.
If you have any examples that would make great case studies, please email me
at: steve@digitalmediamarketing.org, or call our office at: 310-826-8810.
Obviously, you don't need to be a member to submit a possible case study, but
we sure could use your support, help, and enthusiasm.
Thank you,
Steven Dworman
President
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:48:23 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Ghost in the machine
Message-ID: <002501c0f5ba$fe223230$4423a8c0@dell420>
Since it is fairly straightforward, locked off shot, most NLE and
compositing programs should handle this fine, but if you get After Effect 5
(recommend Production Bundle), it would provide some bonuses. Rather than
just than standard semi-transparent effect, you could do some nice touches
like:
1) special edges glows and effects
2) add some limited 3-D effects (i.e. shoot a number of plates by removing
items from shot (i.e. lamp, chair, etc.) then you have ghost partially
disappear behind elements as it walked across set - does a lot to sell the
effect.
3) Superior matte, compositing and transparency controls to FCP.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"But you know something? Sometimes you have to break the rules to free your
heart."
-Homer Simpson
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:47:48 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID: <004601c0f5bc$6d7f7420$63a26dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Perry
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: donderdag 14 juni 2001 18:12
Onderwerp: RE: DV or DVCAM?
>I was obviously too pessimistic! Perhaps I should've said less likely! As a
>matter of interest, is this feature documented for consumer DV products?
>I also wonder why the Panny DV machines play Sony DVCAM but not Panasonic
>DVCPRO?
I maybe wrong but I've always thought that the cassette size of the DVCPro
line was different from DV/DVCAM. This could be the reason they implemented
DVCAM but left DVCPro out.
FWIW
Ton G.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:59:45 -0700
From: "Jeremy Dehne"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Black & Black
Message-ID:
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Premiere outputs within NTSC IRE standards from an NTSC project,
which would leave you with 7% black, rather that the 0% black you may
have expected. (I'm assuming that you used the blackest black you
could in After Effects...)
>Hi All,
>
>Today I rendered a little title sequence in After Effects. It had a
>Black Background (say that fast). When I imported it into Premier
>and rerendered it and played them side by side the black in the
>premier version was not as black as the After Effects version.
>
>Premier looked like it had too much contrast? Why?
>
>Also Premier had to rerender it, I assume because uncompressed AVI is not
>the same as DV Format?
>
>Cheers
> - Al
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Premiere outputs within NTSC IRE standards from an NTSC project, which would leave you with 7% black, rather that the 0% black you may have expected. (I'm assuming that you used the blackest black you could in After Effects...)
Hi All,
Today I rendered a little title sequence in After Effects. It had a Black Background (say that fast). When I imported it into Premier and rerendered it and played them side by side the black in the premier version was not as black as the After Effects version.
Premier looked like it had too much contrast? Why?
Also Premier had to rerender it, I assume because uncompressed AVI is not
the same as DV Format?
Cheers
- Al
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:58:54 -0700
From: "Michael Grant"
To:
Cc:
Subject: Anamorphic for PD-150
Message-ID: <005701c0f5bc$75baff60$0300a8c0@Dell>
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If you wan the article, just email me back and I will find the URL.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:56:21 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Ghost in the machine
Message-ID:
Christopher J. Bell asked about ghosts!
If you shoot your 'ghost' against a dark background and then use After
Effects 'transfer modes' then you will get precise control over the look.
A simple way though, since you are locking off the shot, is to simply mix
your ghost shot in situ with the empty room (you can use a still frame)
until you get a suitable transparent effect. Then do a simple wipe between
this mix and the other actor shot, with a soft edge to hide any slight
lighting differences. Be careful of shadows and be prepared to make a custom
wipe shape (i.e. a matte) if it doesn't split nicely.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:33:40 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: Columbia Audio/Video???
Message-ID: <56B9A97D66@vilas.uwex.edu>
Columbia A/V is somewhere near Chicago, I think. I have
purchased some stuff from them, and they delivered on time as
promised.
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:39:03 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: DV or DVCAM?
Message-ID:
Ton posted:
>I maybe wrong but I've always thought that the cassette size of the DVCPro
line was different from DV/DVCAM.<
The original DVC format proposals had 3 cassette sizes, let's call them
1,2,3.
DV and DVCAM chose to use 1&3, DVCPRO chose to use 2&3.
Decks that take more than one size move the hub carriers to fit, the actual
reel sprocket is the same for all cassette sizes. It is relatively easy to
accommodate 3 sizes if you can already accommodate 2. Nearly all pro decks
now take all 3 sizes.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:53:04 -0000
From: "babu jibson"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Is this compatible?
Message-ID:
Can I integrate Avid Xpress DV with following items
Single Xeon 1.7Ghz
Mother board (860 Intel chipset) w/Audio built-in
512MB PC800 RDRAM (1 slot)
73GB 10K U160m SCSI
Matrox Millenium G450 w/ dual 1600SW monitor
ADS Pyro 1394DV Card (API-300)
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:20:05 -0400
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is this compatible?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010615141840.034870a0@pop3.concentric.net>
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At 05:53 PM 6/15/01 +0000, you wrote:
This system should work great. We have not had a chance to test any new 860
chipset units, but you've got plenty of horsepower and all the right
components.
Gary
>Can I integrate Avid Xpress DV with following items
>Single Xeon 1.7Ghz
>Mother board (860 Intel chipset) w/Audio built-in
>512MB PC800 RDRAM (1 slot)
>73GB 10K U160m SCSI
>Matrox Millenium G450 w/ dual 1600SW monitor
>ADS Pyro 1394DV Card (API-300)
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At 05:53 PM 6/15/01 +0000, you wrote:
This system should work great. We have not had a chance to test any new 860 chipset units, but you've got plenty of horsepower and all the right components.
Gary
Can I integrate Avid Xpress DV with following items
Single Xeon 1.7Ghz
Mother board (860 Intel chipset) w/Audio built-in
512MB PC800 RDRAM (1 slot)
73GB 10K U160m SCSI
Matrox Millenium G450 w/ dual 1600SW monitor
ADS Pyro 1394DV Card (API-300)
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:00:17 -0700
From: Jeff Greenberg
To: dv
Subject: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID: <3B2A5B41.BB0B6A34@websciences.org>
Just a quick question about how the widescreen is handled on a DV camera
with true 16:9 chips. Since the data rate and format of DV are fixed,
and cameras such as the JVC DV-700 use chips with many more pixels than
the DV format can handle, is the image from the CCD's processed in
camera to store the 16:9 image into the fixed data format of DV? If so,
how is this done while still preserving the aspect ratio of the large
chips?
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:01:17 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Columbia Audio/Video???
Message-ID:
on 6/15/01 8:36 AM, danclark at danclark@seanet.com wrote:
> I just ordered a video camera, tripod and accessories from them
> yesterday. Website is great and prices are reasonable. Not the
> absolute lowest, but very good. I got a Canon Optura Pi for $999.95.
> In the last 2-3 days, the same camera went for $965. For $35 bucks, I
> get a lot of peace of mind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan White [mailto:NathanW@optimus-corp.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:12 AM
> To: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
> Subject: RE: Columbia Audio/Video???
>
>
> yes B&H is great, I have order from them multiple times and have had not
> a single bad experince. Their web site is one of the more comprehensive
> in the industry too. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Lague [mailto:rlague@charter.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:06 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Columbia Audio/Video???
>
>
> where are they? My favorite is B&H in NYC. great prices and great
> service
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chiappini
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:32 AM
> Subject: Columbia Audio/Video???
>
>
>> Has anyone done business with Columbia Audio/Video? I'm considering
> buying
>> a VX2000 from them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Chiappini
>> Ziccardi Productions
>>
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Hello: We have experience with this camera from Canon. A friend who has
hand and finger problems from Arthritus uses this camera and found it the
best for her. Although she did not try every one on the market this works
for her. Good luck. Tughollow
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:11:38 -0700
From: "Sean Porter"
To:
Subject: need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
Message-ID:
hey all-
Like the subject says, i need help right away. I have a shoot tomorrow and
I was checking my gear only to find that my vx1000 has decided to stop
recording color. First of course i checked and rechecked all the settings,
and reset the CP. Next i thought it was the veiwfinder (which i wish it
was) but it wasnt, all the recorded material is in b/w. Is there anything i
can do before sending it off to sony and choking up the 250$ they always
charge? Is there some sort of a master reset on that camera that might jog
any settings that were messed up? I seriously need this camera this
weekend, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
tia
sean porter
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:06:35 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To: "DV List"
Subject: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Message-ID:
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler A. Hawes [mailto:dvlist@krysalisproductions.com]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:29 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Responses below:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fred Greissing [mailto:singfred@cvhsa.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:44 AM
>>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>Subject: RE: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
>>The dual Athlon PM systems have a seperate bus for each processor. This I
>>have heard was done because they were worried about conformity between the
>>two processors.
No, it was done because that was the nature of the EV6 bus technology they
acquired from Alpha since its inception. This design is not making up for a
weakness of the Athlon MP processors, it is purely an advantage. If you
study the design, you'll see that it is much better than the traditional bus
topology used by current SMP x86 systems.
>>Dual buses may be an advantage, but if the processors are mot running
perfectly symmetrically there could be stability issues.
I don't know where you heard this, but it is pure invention and fabrication,
wherever it came from (unless you can show some real evidence). This sounds
like someone trying to take a good technology (the point-to-point EV6 bus)
and trying to paint things so that it is twisted to seem bad.
>>The Athlon CPU's are cheaper, but it appears that the dual bus mobo's are
very
expensive compared to dual Intel CPU mobo's.
The Tyan Thunder K7, currently the only shipping board, costs a little under
$600. Yes, that is expensive compared to a plain-jane motherboard, but the
K7 includes dual-channel Ultra 160 SCSI, dual 10/100 3Com Ethernet NICs,
built-in ATI 4MB video, angled DIMM sockets for 1U rack enclosures, etc.
Compare it to an Intel-supporting board with the same features and it is a
very fair, perhaps great, price. Tyan will be releasing the Tiger K7 very
soon, which will have the same chipset without the extras (it will have an
integrated Promise FastTrak100 controller, though) for under $200. By the
3rd quarter, there will be almost a dozen other boards available for under
$200.
>>I am glad AMD is around because they are the main reason that I can get a
>>Xeon 4 1.7 Ghz cpu so cheap.
Indeed. If you're a die-hard Intel buyer, it's good to have prices come
down. Me, I'm agnostic regarding platform wars and prefer to stick to just
the facts. Based on the facts, right now I believe AMD clearly has the
fastest overall performing processor as well as the best price/performance
ratio. For people who need all the features of the Tyan Thunder K7 in a
dual-processor board, they also have that realm won. Once the sub-$200
Athlon MP boards are avaialble, then they will own the 2P market in terms of
price/performance also.
The Pentium 4 remains faster at media-encoding and that's about it. As far
as the multiprocessor market goes, it's not just about performance, but
stability and track record. AMD has something to prove there for the
enterprise market. But for me and my purposes, I'm satisfied with what I've
already seen.
And let me add that if next week Intel bests them, I'll be happy to put an
Intel chip in my system.
Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
Krysalis Productions
Web | Video & Animation | NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:06:57 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To: "DV List"
Subject: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Message-ID:
Responses below:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dave Haynie [mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:36 AM
>>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>Subject: Re: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
>>SSE2 is much better than 3DNow! for critical benchmarks, and the P4 _is_
>>running with nearly double-speed memory, versus the best Athlon systems
>>today.
To be correct, it has double the *bandwidth*, not double the speed. There is
a big difference. Bandwidth is only beneficial when its used. Speed, on the
other hand, is always beneficial. To be accurate, Intel's use of dual-RDRAM
channels gives it 4.2GB/s of bandwidth, of which only about half is used in
most situations (even less, actually). With very bandwidth-stressing tests
such as media encoding, it still does not saturate the memory bus. That's
good, of course. But get to the other side of the coin, speed, and SDRAM
(both PC1xx and DDR) are "faster" with lower latency. So if you're not using
all that bandwidth (and the 2.1GB/s afforded by PC2100 DDR is plenty for
almost anything right now), then the SDRAM memory is going to yield better
overall performance. In order for the RDRAM-based system to have the
advantage (all other things being equal), much more than 2.1GB/s bandwidth
must be needed.
>>I didn't call it a boondoggle, but still, running most actually
>>existing code, it won't keep up. Now, of course, that won't matter
>>unless AMD matches it in clock speed, anyway.
I'm not sure I understand the sentence structure there, but it is clear
right now that a 1.2GHz Athlon (let alone a 1.4GHz) will match or beat a
1.7GHz Pentium 4 in most benchmarks. So for now, Intel must stay far ahead
in clock speed to be performance competitive.
>>Also consider that the "Palamino" series of Athlon from AMD now also runs
SSE, so these
>>optimizations will help Athlons, too.
Yes, they run SSE, but not SSE2. AMD's 64-bit "Hammer" line of products,
coming in 2002, will support SSE2 fully.
I realize, Dave, that you probably know all this. I'm just clarifying it for
the masses.
Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
Krysalis Productions
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:07:14 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To: "DV List"
Subject: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Message-ID:
Responses below:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dany Coryet [mailto:dcsos@hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:32 AM
>>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>>Subject: Re: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
>>Does a dual ATHLON run Premiere 6.0 with dual procs recognized?
Of course. This is a functionality of the operating system. Any software
that currently takes advantage of dual Intel processors will take every bit
as much advantage from dual Athlon MP processors.
>>and I know Avid will not certify the Athlon or Via Chipset for Pro-TOOLs
, but does it
work?
Can't say if it works, but don't be so sure it won't get certification. Avid
has just certified SoftImage for them, so who knows...
>>Also, will WINDOWS XP use dual processors?..
While XP will be one unified code base, there will still be four versions of
it (desktop, professional, server, advanced server; the names may change,
but that's what they are). The desktop version will NOT support multiple
processors, but the professional on up will (with increasing numbers of CPUs
supported).
>>Win 98 or Me receives no benefit from my DUAL BX setup, but WIN2k
glides....
That is because only NT/2000 versions of Windows support multiple
processors.
>> I am worried the Athlon and its unreliable but speedy companion VIA
chipsets won't run
Premiere, Sonic's DVDit and other apps properly.
Well, for one they already are running them properly. I have many customers
who are running Premiere 5.1 and 6.0 on Canopus real-time editing systems
from me with Athlons and have zero problems. But besides that, Athlon MP
runs on AMD's own 760 MP chipset, not a VIA chipset.
Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
Krysalis Productions
Web | Video & Animation | NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:07:32 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To: "DV List"
Subject: rules of cinematography
Message-ID:
I recommend "Film Directing Shot by Shot" by Steven D. Katz.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rik Ahlberg [mailto:rik@primushost.com]On Behalf Of Rik Ahlberg
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:46 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: rules of cinematography
A great text on the theory of moving images is...
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Forget about analogue (was Canopus announces the DVRaptorRT)
Message-ID: <20010615201244.77263.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com>
Analog??? That's so 20th century...
--- Randy Quimpo wrote:
> Yes, its possible to forget about analogue. I made
> this commitment over two
> years ago when I assumed my position as Corporate
> Video manager over here,
> and the only time our footage goes analogue is when
> we output to VHS, which
> we are in the process of phasing out right now as I
> write this. Our
> department refuses to accept any footage that's not
> DV (Digital 8 is still
> possible, because of the firewire connect). We shoot
> in dv, edit in dv, and
> output in dv -soon we will be distributing in DVD.
> When I need footage from
> an analogue source, I just dub it to DV and digitize
> that, no probs.
>
> But that's me - I control this for our company.
> Other people have to take in
> whatever their clients bring in, which in many cases
> is good ol' video 8. So
> these guys can't forget about analogue even if they
> wanted to. I even know
> studios that maintain Betamax machines just in case.
>
> Randy Quimpo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfboy [mailto:dfor@bigpond.net.au]
>
>
> My advice is forget about analogue now! You are just
> prolonging the agony by
> maintaining support for analogue video devices and
> analogue tape formats aka
> vhs.
>
> dfboy
>
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
Message-ID: <20010615201904.91906.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com>
Did you try a recorded tape in another DV camcorder?
It may just be playing back in B&W.
--- Sean Porter wrote:
> hey all-
>
> Like the subject says, i need help right away. I
> have a shoot tomorrow and
> I was checking my gear only to find that my vx1000
> has decided to stop
> recording color. First of course i checked and
> rechecked all the settings,
> and reset the CP. Next i thought it was the
> veiwfinder (which i wish it
> was) but it wasnt, all the recorded material is in
> b/w. Is there anything i
> can do before sending it off to sony and choking up
> the 250$ they always
> charge? Is there some sort of a master reset on
> that camera that might jog
> any settings that were messed up? I seriously need
> this camera this
> weekend, so any suggestions would be greatly
> appreciated!
>
> tia
>
> sean porter
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:33:24 -0700
From: "Wes Lazara"
To:
Subject: Re: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
Message-ID: <001001c0f5da$6d9179e0$060c10ac@schwabfoundation.org>
I agree with Tyler 100%. The only thing keeping me from putting a Thunder
K7 in my box right now is the non-standard power supply (same issue with the
P4, of course that has many more issues!) :-)
I am holding out for the non-scsi Tyan board (I have an adaptec 29160
already) and perhaps for the Asus board... Hopefully one or both of these
will use standard ATX power connectors... We'll see!
Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To: "DV List"
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:06 PM
Subject: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler A. Hawes [mailto:dvlist@krysalisproductions.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:29 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
>
>
> Responses below:
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fred Greissing [mailto:singfred@cvhsa.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:44 AM
> >>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> >>Subject: RE: Motorola, Altivec, P4s and dual-Athlons...
>
> >>The dual Athlon PM systems have a seperate bus for each processor. This
I
> >>have heard was done because they were worried about conformity between
the
> >>two processors.
>
> No, it was done because that was the nature of the EV6 bus technology they
> acquired from Alpha since its inception. This design is not making up for
a
> weakness of the Athlon MP processors, it is purely an advantage. If you
> study the design, you'll see that it is much better than the traditional
bus
> topology used by current SMP x86 systems.
>
> >>Dual buses may be an advantage, but if the processors are mot running
> perfectly symmetrically there could be stability issues.
>
> I don't know where you heard this, but it is pure invention and
fabrication,
> wherever it came from (unless you can show some real evidence). This
sounds
> like someone trying to take a good technology (the point-to-point EV6 bus)
> and trying to paint things so that it is twisted to seem bad.
>
> >>The Athlon CPU's are cheaper, but it appears that the dual bus mobo's
are
> very
> expensive compared to dual Intel CPU mobo's.
>
> The Tyan Thunder K7, currently the only shipping board, costs a little
under
> $600. Yes, that is expensive compared to a plain-jane motherboard, but the
> K7 includes dual-channel Ultra 160 SCSI, dual 10/100 3Com Ethernet NICs,
> built-in ATI 4MB video, angled DIMM sockets for 1U rack enclosures, etc.
> Compare it to an Intel-supporting board with the same features and it is a
> very fair, perhaps great, price. Tyan will be releasing the Tiger K7 very
> soon, which will have the same chipset without the extras (it will have an
> integrated Promise FastTrak100 controller, though) for under $200. By the
> 3rd quarter, there will be almost a dozen other boards available for under
> $200.
>
> >>I am glad AMD is around because they are the main reason that I can get
a
> >>Xeon 4 1.7 Ghz cpu so cheap.
>
> Indeed. If you're a die-hard Intel buyer, it's good to have prices come
> down. Me, I'm agnostic regarding platform wars and prefer to stick to just
> the facts. Based on the facts, right now I believe AMD clearly has the
> fastest overall performing processor as well as the best price/performance
> ratio. For people who need all the features of the Tyan Thunder K7 in a
> dual-processor board, they also have that realm won. Once the sub-$200
> Athlon MP boards are avaialble, then they will own the 2P market in terms
of
> price/performance also.
>
> The Pentium 4 remains faster at media-encoding and that's about it. As far
> as the multiprocessor market goes, it's not just about performance, but
> stability and track record. AMD has something to prove there for the
> enterprise market. But for me and my purposes, I'm satisfied with what
I've
> already seen.
>
> And let me add that if next week Intel bests them, I'll be happy to put an
> Intel chip in my system.
>
>
> Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
> Krysalis Productions
> Web | Video & Animation | NLE Systems
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:51:35 -0700
From: Jeff Newton
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Help a DV Newbie spend some money
Message-ID: <3B2A7557.9D61B850@pmc-sierra.com>
I've ordered a Sony TRV900 and now I am looking into options for
NLE. I'm basically familiar with the various brand names but I
wanted some suggestions from the list as to what would work best
for someone just getting started.
My current machine is a 733MHz PIII 256Mb running Win2k. I'll
add an 80Gb 7200RPM drive for video but I need suggestions for
the firewire card and editting software.
I'm a newbie but I like the idea of growing my skills into my NLE
setup. Eventually, I'd like to be able to take short
"productions" and create VCDs (DVDs when the drive/media prices
come down) for family/friends.
Anyone care to give me some advice? Is Adobe Premier too much
for a newbie to grasp? Is there a particular brand of Firewire
card I should avoid? I hear nothing but good things about
Canopus. Is there anything else I need or should have?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
--
Jeff Newton
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:08:29 -0700
From: "Sean Porter"
To:
Subject: RE: need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
Message-ID:
nope.. its actually recording b/w on the tape... tried it in my gvd-900.
thanks though,
sean
-----Original Message-----
From: john markert [mailto:accelv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:19 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: need help with vx1000 ASAP!!
Did you try a recorded tape in another DV camcorder?
It may just be playing back in B&W.
--- Sean Porter wrote:
> hey all-
>
> Like the subject says, i need help right away. I
> have a shoot tomorrow and
> I was checking my gear only to find that my vx1000
> has decided to stop
> recording color. First of course i checked and
> rechecked all the settings,
> and reset the CP. Next i thought it was the
> veiwfinder (which i wish it
> was) but it wasnt, all the recorded material is in
> b/w. Is there anything i
> can do before sending it off to sony and choking up
> the 250$ they always
> charge? Is there some sort of a master reset on
> that camera that might jog
> any settings that were messed up? I seriously need
> this camera this
> weekend, so any suggestions would be greatly
> appreciated!
>
> tia
>
> sean porter
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:00:08 -0500
From: "Doug Wise"
To:
Subject: RE: Help a DV Newbie spend some money
Message-ID:
>I need suggestions for the firewire card and editting software.
Look at the Canopus Raptor RT with Premiere 6.0:
http://www.justedit.com/press/raptorrtpress.php3
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:14:18 -0500
From: paul
To:
Subject: RE: Fun with flip books
Message-ID:
A 5 years back, I announced my Daughter's birth with a few hundred
flip-book/videos. To this day, infrequent visitors comment on how much it
struck them.
Of course, my daughter was and still is the cutest!
paul
paul@hubner.net
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:01:27 -0700
From: "Bell, Christopher"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Ghost in the machine
Message-ID: <2DFD7FC271F3D2118E0000C00D0092300B6B80@CHXCHNG>
Thanks Bob, Stephen, and Perry for your suggestions. You make this shot a
lot less scary.
Christopher J. Bell
CityTV18
(805)564-5311
citytv18.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry [mailto:perry.mitchell@btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:56 AM
To: DV-L
Subject: Ghost in the machine
Christopher J. Bell asked about ghosts!
If you shoot your 'ghost' against a dark background and then use After
Effects 'transfer modes' then you will get precise control over the look.
A simple way though, since you are locking off the shot, is to simply mix
your ghost shot in situ with the empty room (you can use a still frame)
until you get a suitable transparent effect. Then do a simple wipe between
this mix and the other actor shot, with a soft edge to hide any slight
lighting differences. Be careful of shadows and be prepared to make a custom
wipe shape (i.e. a matte) if it doesn't split nicely.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:08:08 -0400
From: Neil Goldberg
To:
Subject: Understanding VX1000 color level preset (was need help with
vx1000 ASAP!!)
Message-ID:
In trying, unsuccessfully, to come up with a solution to Sean Porter's
VX1000 b&w problem, I went rifling through my VX1000's custom presets and
noticed that my "Color Level" was set to half way. Pumping it up all the way
seemed to create greater color saturation. I'm curious: would anyone know of
any disadvantages to setting the camera like this? What do other VX1000
users out there chose for this setting?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Best,
Neil
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:37:41 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID:
Jeff Greenberg:
CCD chips are actually analog devices (although with digital spatial
sampling). The output is thus sampled in an A/D converter where the
'squashing' effectively occurs. There is thus no direct correlation between
the number of pixels and the DV samples per line. The DV 16:9 mode could
happily be supplied with a CCD with 720 rectangular pixels per line, but
they are currently all dual mode so 960 is a minimum pro rata to allow full
res 4:3. In practice more is better to allow for the losses in the optical
anti-alias filter.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:52:12 -0400
From: Christopher Cardinal
To: DV-List
Subject: Q: how good is Avid MCXpress 1.6?
Message-ID: <3B2A919C.7C30C76@snet.net>
I've seen it for amazingly low prices, and was wondering if it was worth
picking up. After all, "Avid" is the all time champion of video
buzz-words!
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:51:56 -0700
From: Jeff Greenberg
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID: <3B2A918C.15712224@websciences.org>
Thanks for your reply...
So exactly how is 16:9 info stored in the DV format? Or is there some kind of interpolation that is performed by the codecs to properly represent the 16:9 frame? How exactly, when using DV,
is the 16:9 squished...
Perry wrote:
> Jeff Greenberg:
> CCD chips are actually analog devices (although with digital spatial
> sampling). The output is thus sampled in an A/D converter where the
> 'squashing' effectively occurs. There is thus no direct correlation between
> the number of pixels and the DV samples per line. The DV 16:9 mode could
> happily be supplied with a CCD with 720 rectangular pixels per line, but
> they are currently all dual mode so 960 is a minimum pro rata to allow full
> res 4:3. In practice more is better to allow for the losses in the optical
> anti-alias filter.
> Perry Mitchell
> Video Consultant
> http://www.perrybits.co.uk
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:13:25 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Once again I'm amazed!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010615161000.020c9d40@mail.ulti-media.com>
Once again I am thoroughly elated with the performance of my Fast Studio Purple system!
I digitized approximately 6 hours of video from a two camera shoot of a Polka Band Reunion.
From there I mixed the two cameras, added graphics and transitions, custom intro and tag with one and a half minutes of credits, edited this down two one hour and fifty seven minutes then affected the sound, eq, volume variations, etc. Used Vixen on one of the camera inserts for a portion of the tape to achieve a better match.
Not one glitch or technical problem in the entire project.
What more can I say! What more could one ask for.
Editing is Fast... DV is Purple.
Andy Stevens
Anacortes, WA USA
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:14:46 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Subject: RE: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID:
It is stored just like regular DV, except that the image is purposely
"stretched" vertically to use all the pixels. When viewed on normal 4:3
equipment it will appear vertically stretched. However, 16:9 equipment (NLE,
camera, display, etc.) will recognize a flag that is set in the meta data
and will vertically scale the image to correct the aspect ratio. The
advantage of doing this over simply recording the image as a letterboxed 4:3
image is that it increases vertical resolution because it is using all of
the pixels to sample the live shot.
So basically 16:9 is using very oblong pixels.
Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
Krysalis Productions
Web | Video & Animation | NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
Tel: 360-882-7297 Fax: 360-882-7879
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Greenberg [mailto:jeff@websciences.org]
>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:52 PM
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: True 16:9 DV
>
>
>Thanks for your reply...
>
>So exactly how is 16:9 info stored in the DV format? Or is there
>some kind of interpolation that is performed by the codecs to
>properly represent the 16:9 frame? How exactly, when using DV,
>is the 16:9 squished...
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:20:19 -0700
From: Jeff Greenberg
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID: <3B2A9833.A071E475@websciences.org>
Thanks, that explains it for me. I was really just interested in how the image was "stretched" with reference to storing it in the DV format, and now it is perfectly clear to me.
Thanks again.
JG
"Tyler A. Hawes" wrote:
> It is stored just like regular DV, except that the image is purposely
> "stretched" vertically to use all the pixels. When viewed on normal 4:3
> equipment it will appear vertically stretched. However, 16:9 equipment (NLE,
> camera, display, etc.) will recognize a flag that is set in the meta data
> and will vertically scale the image to correct the aspect ratio. The
> advantage of doing this over simply recording the image as a letterboxed 4:3
> image is that it increases vertical resolution because it is using all of
> the pixels to sample the live shot.
>
> So basically 16:9 is using very oblong pixels.
>
> Tyler A. Hawes, Director of Services
> Krysalis Productions
> Web | Video & Animation | NLE Systems
>
> www.KrysalisProductions.com
> Tel: 360-882-7297 Fax: 360-882-7879
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Greenberg [mailto:jeff@websciences.org]
> >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:52 PM
> >To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> >Subject: Re: True 16:9 DV
> >
> >
> >Thanks for your reply...
> >
> >So exactly how is 16:9 info stored in the DV format? Or is there
> >some kind of interpolation that is performed by the codecs to
> >properly represent the 16:9 frame? How exactly, when using DV,
> >is the 16:9 squished...
> >
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:25:32 +0100
From: "Perry"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID:
Jeff asked:
>So exactly how is 16:9 info stored in the DV format? Or is there some kind
of interpolation that is performed by the codecs to properly represent the
16:9 frame? How exactly, when using DV,
is the 16:9 squished...<
Normal 4:3 DV is 'squished' in PAL; 720 pixels in the DV code need to be
stretched to 768 'square pixels' on the analog screen. This is done
automatically in the D/A process. 16:9 just increases the squish so that the
720 pixels need to be stretched to 1024 'pixels'.
The data is in fact not squished at all if it is read at the same rate as it
was written, the 4:3 squishing is just an allusion to a relative square
pixel model that doesn't exist. It only really means something when you take
a square pixel digital file produced in say Photoshop and then transcode it
to DV. Then you need to interpolate.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:26:55 -0400
From:
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Q: how good is Avid MCXpress 1.6?
Message-ID:
>I've seen it for amazingly low prices, and was wondering if it was worth
>picking up. After all, "Avid" is the all time champion of video
>buzz-words!
True, but if this is the machine I think it is, then (imo) you don't really
want it. The MCXpress was one of Avid's first forays into windows,
and its feature set is pretty hobbled, especially when compared to
their new XpressDV.
Avid's new XpressDV software is $1600. If you go for the upgraded XpressDV
(which is
about $2,600) then you get about $5K in bundled software including
filmscribe (film matchback editing) and some other nifty apps like
commotion DV etc.
Sure, its expensive, but you get what you pay for. Avid's great interface
allows you to get
a lot of work done quickly, which in the long run will pay for itself and
keep clients happy.
Beware of the Avid audio editing tool, as it is STILL only FRAME accurate.
That means for looping music, you either have to get lucky, or bounce back
and forth with a real audio program. Their "adequate" title tool has been
replaced
with boris graffitti.
j"hammering Avid over audio right now"merser
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:42:58 +0000
From: villas
To:
Subject: Anniversary Party
Message-ID:
Someone was wondering about it some time ago. Here:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_Anniver_Party_010608.html
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:48:48 -0600
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV-L Organization" ,
Subject: SmartSound Sonicfire Pro for Windows - Disappointing Upgrade!
Message-ID:
I just got my SmartSound Sonicfire Pro for Windows upgrade today and
have done some playing around with it. I must say that there is both
good news and bad news with it from my point of view and I am a bit
disappointed with the upgrade. As you well know, I have been a very
happy user of SmartSound for Multimedia and their music library for
quite some time and have felt that it is one the absolutely best
programs I have ever purchased and used for my video production work.
That is why this upgrade comes as a bit of surprise disappointment for
me. I think or guess that they must have rushed this upgrade to market
without developing it fully.
First the good news: The addition of being able to import your own
audio files and CDs into Sonicfire Pro and being able to make your own
custom blocks is a very nice additional capability over the older
SmartSound for Multimedia version of the program. This allows you to be
able to customize the arrangement and length of your own audio files and
CD music. I also like the new audio waveform views and volume level
views/settings in the timeline window, which help one out when making
custom blocks out of your own music.
Now for the bad news: One of the most useful functions in the older
SmartSound for Multimedia version editor and that I use so much is NO
LONGER AVAILABLE in the new Sonicfire Pro version, namely, the
"SmartEnd" function which allows you to set an "end time" or "length"
marker for your custom length arrangement and have SmartSound
automatically create a version of the music to fit this length with an
appropriate opening and closing. The new Sonicfire Pro version replaces
this with its "SmartExtend" function which just extends the music to the
next "timeline" marker, but WITHOUT an appropriate closing block! This
is a major step backward in my opinion and is VERY disappointing!
Another disappointment is that the "Maestro" and "Quicktracks" must work
from the original audio palette CDs and will not recognize or work with
"online" audio palette files on your hard disk, which is inconvenient
for me, since I have all of the 22K sound files "online" on my hard
disk. Finally, the video import and playback window ONLY supports
QuickTime video CODECs, so I CAN NOT import my Canopus DVRaptor DV video
files and view them while scoring them. Another real bummer that it does
not support other CODECs installed on your computer system! Finally they
have removed the audio "effects" functionality that is in the old
SmartSound for Multimedia version, which is not a really big deal, but I
just really don't understand why they have REMOVED functionality in an
UPGRADE???
One final positive note is that at least you can keep your old version
on the computer, as well as the new version. So I will probably end up
using the new Sonicfire Pro version to import and custom arrange my own
audio music files and CD music only, and then continue to use the old
SmartSound for Multimedia version to custom arrange my SmartSound Audio
Palette music scores to the exact lengths I need. Those of you
considering purchasing or upgrading to Sonicfire Pro may well want to
hold off doing so, if the "SmartEnd" function is something you use a lot
like me. I just can't believe that Sonic Desktop Software left this
basic and key functionality and one of the distinctive features of
SmartSound out of the new Sonicfire Pro version. Hopefully, they will
quickly add this functionality back in very soon with another program
update or patch!
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:00:06 -0400
From: "Freed, Ken"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: True 16:9 DV
Message-ID:
The chips have 980 494 pixels. The storage of the 16v9 image takes place as
temporal compression not data compression. The lines are clocked from the
CCD at a faster clock rate so the 720 per line samples are taken and stored
on tape. Then the display does the opposite temporal clocking when the
image is displayed. The 16x9 image has 480 lines.
KEN FREED, East Coast Region
NLE Specialist and REGIONAL SALES ENGINEER
JVC Digital Video Division
IT'S YOUR IMAGE - Trust it to D-9
our D-9 support line 24/7 is 800-233-1060
email: kfreed@jvc.com
Best way to reach me is my cell: (201)-637-7706
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Greenberg [SMTP:jeff@websciences.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:00 PM
> To: dv
> Subject: True 16:9 DV
>
> Just a quick question about how the widescreen is handled on a DV camera
> with true 16:9 chips. Since the data rate and format of DV are fixed,
> and cameras such as the JVC DV-700 use chips with many more pixels than
> the DV format can handle, is the image from the CCD's processed in
> camera to store the 16:9 image into the fixed data format of DV? If so,
> how is this done while still preserving the aspect ratio of the large
> chips?
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:17:34 -0700
From: Cory White
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Once again I'm amazed!
Message-ID:
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I'm sorry, but I wouldn't have mentioned that the footage was of a
polka band reunion if I were you. But that's just me.
-Cory
>Once again I am thoroughly elated with the performance of my Fast
>Studio Purple system!
>
>I digitized approximately 6 hours of video from a two camera shoot
>of a Polka Band Reunion.
>
>From there I mixed the two cameras, added graphics and transitions,
>custom intro and tag with one and a half minutes of credits, edited
>this down two one hour and fifty seven minutes then affected the
>sound, eq, volume variations, etc. Used Vixen on one of the camera
>inserts for a portion of the tape to achieve a better match.
>
>Not one glitch or technical problem in the entire project.
>
>What more can I say! What more could one ask for.
>
>Editing is Fast... DV is Purple.
>
>Andy Stevens
>Anacortes, WA USA
>
>Ulti-Media Productions
>http://www.ulti-media.com
>DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
>http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
>"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
>http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
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"I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."
-Albert Einstein
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I'm sorry, but I wouldn't have mentioned that the footage was of a polka band reunion if I were you. But that's just me.
-Cory
Once again I am thoroughly elated with the performance of my Fast Studio Purple system!
I digitized approximately 6 hours of video from a two camera shoot of a Polka Band Reunion.
From there I mixed the two cameras, added graphics and transitions, custom intro and tag with one and a half minutes of credits, edited this down two one hour and fifty seven minutes then affected the sound, eq, volume variations, etc. Used Vixen on one of the camera inserts for a portion of the tape to achieve a better match.
Not one glitch or technical problem in the entire project.
What more can I say! What more could one ask for.
Editing is Fast... DV is Purple.
Andy Stevens
Anacortes, WA USA
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
--
"I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."
-Albert Einstein
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:05:37 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Once again I'm amazed!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010615235450.02080880@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 09:17 PM 6/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
I'm sorry, but I wouldn't have mentioned that the footage was of a polka band reunion if I were you. But that's just me.
-Cory
In my humble opinion, a Polka band that was founded in 1935, and has maintained it's standing and existence, and is still performing and adding new members, has every bit of credibility and status as the auto dealerships, manufacturers, retailers, and corporate entities that I produce on a regular basis. Maybe more so. That being said, the object was the flawless functionability of Fast Studio on a long form complex project with no problems, capture glitches, sync malfunctions and whatever. Fast Studio and Purple works as advertised and better.
Andy
Once again I am thoroughly elated with the performance of my Fast Studio Purple system!
I digitized approximately 6 hours of video from a two camera shoot of a Polka Band Reunion.
>From there I mixed the two cameras, added graphics and transitions, custom intro and tag with one and a half minutes of credits, edited this down two one hour and fifty seven minutes then affected the sound, eq, volume variations, etc. Used Vixen on one of the camera inserts for a portion of the tape to achieve a better match.
Not one glitch or technical problem in the entire project.
What more can I say! What more could one ask for.
Editing is Fast... DV is Purple.
Andy Stevens
Anacortes, WA USA
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
--
"I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."
-Albert Einstein
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
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