DV-L Sat, 7 Jul 2001 Volume 1 : Number 909
In this issue:
Re: "....astounding 276 minutes"
re: DV Questions
Re: General error in FCP
RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
RE: After Effects vs Commotion
Canopus "Booster"
Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Re: General error in FCP
RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
RE: Film editing
RE: RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
RE: Matrox RT2500??
RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
TRV900 movies
Re: Matrox RT2500??
Re: Progressive scan cameras?
Re: TRV900 movies
Re: Matrox RT2500??
Marzpak
Lusting for dust words
Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
URGENT
Re: Marzpak
Re: Marzpak
Re: RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
Re: Progressive scan cameras?(another =?iso-8859-1?Q?MARzPAK=81?= plug
HA!)
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Progressive_scan_cameras=3F=28another_MARzPAK=81_plu?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?g__HA!=29?=
Re: Marzpak
RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
RE: The key to 4.5 hours is a STANDARD LARGE DV cassette.
Re: Marzpak
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
RE: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking PS
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
OT: Any opinions on NUON enhancement for DVD players?
MiniDV dubbing?
Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Re: MiniDV dubbing?
Re: OT: Any opinions on NUON enhancement for DVD players?
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: VAIO & external 1394 HD
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
RE: MiniDV dubbing?
RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Re: Marzpak
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
RE: URGENT
RE: URGENT
Re: OT: Any opinions on NUON enhancement for DVD players?
Re: VAIO & external 1394 HD
Re: URGENT
DV Horizontal Shimmer
Re: Progressive scan cameras?
Anti virus
Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Premiere rendering problem
Re: MiniDV dubbing?
RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Re: Premiere rendering problem
DV to disk
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:13:51 -0700
From: Don Alexander
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: "....astounding 276 minutes"
Message-ID: <3B45652F.5B68@worldnet.att.net>
Crittenden, Jan wrote:
>
> Don,
> The AG-DVC200 uses the Large Cassettes exclusively.
Thanks for the clarification, Jan. I was getting some conflicting . .
. if not information then at least impression from the B&H website.
Regards, Don
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:10:19 +1000
From: Mike Lawther
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: re: DV Questions
Message-ID: <20010706074916.921568B11@bellmann.research.canon.com.au>
> I am communicating with a young man and a PC who is rather too shy to ask
> his questions direct, so I am doing it for him.
> He basically doesn't like interlace, so:
> 1) Can he shoot in progressive mode with a Sony PC-110
i don't think so. although i understand that it can record 320x240 mpeg to the memory stick, and i guess this would be non-interlaced.
> 2) Can he de-interlace with Ulead Video Studio 4 (but preserve some movement
> blur)
> 3) If not, is there a cheap PC tool that can do this
i don't know about ulead, but i can recommend virtualdub
http://www.virtualdub.org
it is free, and GPL'd, so you can grab the source to play with if you want. your mate should also grab the 'smart deinterlace' filter from
http://sauron.mordor.net/dgraft/index.html
which is also free. this is the combination i use to deinterlace DV if i want to retain some motion blur, and keep both fields in areas of no motion.
mike
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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:29:02 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: General error in FCP
Message-ID: <3B454C9F.3D076395@pacbell.net>
aking wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> When we are capturing a long movie in FCP 2
> we press escape to end the capture & the computer
> displays a FCP box which says general error .
> The file we have created cannot be saved.
> We have set the scratch file to 1000mb
> and allocated more than enough ram.
> We can save small movies.
> This one is 35 minutes long
>
> Any ideas?
>
> thanks
>
> Andy King
In FCP 2 there is a setting in the capture settings that limits the
cature time which is set for a default time of 30 min. Change this and
every thing should be OK. I think it is in the scratch disk settings in
the log and cature window.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:41:05 +0100
From: "Les Howarth"
To: "DV -L Organization" ,
Subject: RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
Message-ID: <000201c105ff$c6da01e0$9865fea9@mediastation1>
Randy,
you need a non-destructive editor, for that speed (not Forge or Cool) the
one recommended by my V.O> guy , who does hour long Radio Shows id
Minnetonka Softwares Fast Edit. He flies with it.
Alternatively, Cool Edit(pro) or Cool Edit 2000 (plus multitrack plugin)
both provide non destructive editing in multitrack mode (you can even drag
clips around while playing back!)
Les Howarth
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:41:06 +0100
From: "Les Howarth"
To: "DV -L Organization" ,
Subject: RE: After Effects vs Commotion
Message-ID: <000301c105ff$c7caca80$9865fea9@mediastation1>
Bill,
I have used AE and use Commotion Pro, but they are different kinds of animal
really.
AE is more of an all rounder than Commotion, stronger on graphics.
Commotion is more oriented to film-style effects, very powerful rotoscoping
and matte creation tools in particular. It is great for retouching shots and
I used it recently to remove some stuck pixels in a tracking shot and also
to remove a cameraman (me) from shot in the wide wiew of a 3 camera shoot. I
have found it to be a bit twitchy at times (at least the Windows version)
and not liking QT5 yet but still nothing does what it does unless you try
Combustion at around twice the price.
Les Howarth
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:49:32 +0100
From: "Les Howarth"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: Canopus "Booster"
Message-ID: <000401c10600$f4d067f0$9865fea9@mediastation1>
Can anyone (Gary Bettan maybe) confirm whether the Canopus "Booster Pack"
(stand alone Codec, bundle for Premiere6) supports true "huge" AVI's in
Win2000.
I am told Storm does but no-one seems to know about this pack.
Les Howarth
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 06:48:56 -0700
From: Ned Barber
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <3B45C1C8.2747B070@pascackvalleybiz.com>
Have you tried saving and importing in other formats? I typically use TGA from Photoshop to Premiere and have no problems.
Do you get the same results if you use render project from the menu instead of hitting enter to do a preview?? I seem to remember different settings for previews and renders.
Also- you say it is still sharp prior to the render. How are you judging this since you can see the still UNTIL it is rendered. (At least in Premier 5 - I haven't loaded 6 yet)
Ned Barber
danclark wrote:
>
> A: 1. Open image in PhotoShop. Crop to ratio of 720 X 480
> (to maintain correct aspect ratio).
>
> 2. Change image size to 720 X 480.
>
> 3. Save file in .psd format.
>
> 4. Open Premiere and import file into bin.
>
> 5. Insert file into timeline and change duration to 2 seconds.
>
> 6. Press key to render video.
>
> 7. Rendered still shot is displayed in monitor window.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:31:00 +0800
From: "Andy King"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: General error in FCP
Message-ID: <005801c1060f$22140ce0$dad3e68b@oemcomputer>
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Hi John,
Thanks for the information.
We finally solved the problem by extracting
2 timecode tracks from the Movie.
Its as sweet as a bell for now.
Aparently there are a few issues with QT5.
Philip Hodgetts of
http://www.intelligentassistance.com/
sent us some very interesting information.
& this tutorial is very good and mentioned general errors.
http://www.lafcpug.org/upgradingto2.0_feature.html
thanks again
Andy
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:53:03 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010706074513.01e1e160@mail.speakeasy.org>
Some random thoughts:
*) Verify you have DX8a installed. Windows Update (or DXDiag) will tell you
if you need it (but Premiere6 should have installed it)
*) Try using .bmp instead of .psd
*) Note that you should crop to 640X480 on your PC screen (or multiple).
And I don't think you _have_ to resize to 720X480 if you don't want -
Premiere should do that automatically, and with 'optimize stills' turned on
it shouldn't take a lot longer.
*) To discount preview problems, have you actually tried rendering to a
movie then outputting it to tape?
I've only done a few photo projects with P6 but never had a problem with
static images (their moving path needs work though!).
>Q: What is the process?
>A: 1. Open image in PhotoShop. Crop to ratio of 720 X 480
> (to maintain correct aspect ratio).
>
> 2. Change image size to 720 X 480.
>
> 3. Save file in .psd format.
>
> 4. Open Premiere and import file into bin.
>
> 5. Insert file into timeline and change duration to 2 seconds.
>
> 6. Press key to render video.
>
> 7. Rendered still shot is displayed in monitor window.
>
> NOTE - At step 5 (prior to rendering), the image is sharp.
> At step 7 (after rendering), the image is blurry.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:56:28 +0100
From: Mark Grant
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Film editing
Message-ID: <0182399E7179D211824400A0C9EA408A02B19EAF@exchuk02.3dlabs.com>
> From: Adam Wilt [mailto:adamwilt@flash.net]
> Because film cutting, unlike
> video editing, is a
> destructive and not-recoverable process, so the cam orig is
> only cut once
As far as I'm aware, 35mm and larger formats can be recut (as they cut at
the frame line and don't destroy a frame at the cuts like 16mm), but it's
not recommended.
Mark
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:04:02 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV -L Organization
Subject: RE: RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
Message-ID:
Thanks a lot - will check this out. What makes a non-destructive editor so
fast? Why is SoundForge refered to as a destructive editor?
regards
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Howarth [mailto:Lesh@rtpix.co.uk]
Subject: RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
Randy,
you need a non-destructive editor, for that speed (not Forge or Cool) the
one recommended by my V.O> guy , who does hour long Radio Shows id
Minnetonka Softwares Fast Edit. He flies with it.
Les Howarth
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:44:38 -0300
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Matrox RT2500??
Message-ID: <0BF14D94508905468412CF35B38D13701FF902@exchange1>
My 2 cent worth...
Make sure you spend some time reading the official Matrox forum before you
purchase. The Rt2000 has not for a lot of folks delivered what it was
supposed to deliver. It hasn't for me and I exclusively used hardware that
was "approved" by matrox. It has been a year now and I am still trouble
shooting my card. After 3 major drivers release and going to win2K a lot of
folks do not have reliable editing system. I am not sure about the newest
Matrox offering "RT25000" but I heard that it has its troubles.
Anyway, heads up and read the forum of the cards that you plan on purchasing
and ask questions on the unofficial forums located here:
RT2000/2500: http://members3.boardhost.com/rt2500/
RT2000: http://members.boardhost.com/mainstreet/
I am presemtly seriously looking at the DVStorm.
unofficial forum: http://members3.boardhost.com/dvstorm/
Good luck,
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: Crazyhorse Pictures [mailto:southcam@world-net.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:02 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Matrox RT2500??
Ya right Joet!!!.. typical of me!. Raptor was no good, no analog IN.
However, things have now changed, I have opted out for a Sony DSR-11,
does realtime composite / YC to DV and visa versa and heard on the vine
that Sony is about to hike the price of them down here in the shaky
isles Thanks to all those for the advice though. Much appreciated!.
Steve
> You forgot to mention what it is you're thinking of using it for. In
> general, the RaptorRT now seems to do the same thing at a fraction of the
> cost. And with software packages about to hit the shelves that can do real
> time previews (e.g. MSP 6.5) I'm not sure there's a lot of market left for
> these analog only real time cards.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:54:03 -0400
From: "Quinn, Tom"
To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'"
Subject: RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
Message-ID: <7061CA37F57CD31194ED00104B9107200132CDE8@EXCHANGE>
I'm just finishing a feature on the TRV-900, which is similar to the PD-150.
We used manual settings for nearly everything, particularly exposure, but
also for white balance and focus. You're going to want as much control as
possible on a feature. I fully agree that you need a good color monitor on
the set. I would add that you should learn to calibrate it properly as well
- we lost a few night scenes to poorly calibrated monitors. One trick that
we started using later was too turn the brightness down and the contrast up,
just slightly, when shooting nights scenes. We would then over light them a
bit (careful not to overexpose) and then change the brightness and contrast
in post. This assures nice black levels at night or in dark scenes. To see
how our footage looked, check our web site. There is a link to the trailer
on the main page, lots of rough cuts in the post production section, and
plenty of pics in teh production/journals section. Good luck and let me
know if you have any questions! We made a lot of mistakes and learned a lot
from them.
Tom Quin
http://www.fourcornersltd.com/Dust/dustindex.htm
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:01:31 +0100
From: Mark Grant
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: TRV900 movies
Message-ID: <0182399E7179D211824400A0C9EA408A02B19EB4@exchuk02.3dlabs.com>
> From: Quinn, Tom [mailto:QuinTo@CentennialSD.org]
> To see
> how our footage looked, check our web site. There is a link
> to the trailer
> on the main page, lots of rough cuts in the post production
> section, and
> plenty of pics in teh production/journals section.
I'm impressed: an independent movie web site which isn't full of pointless
'cool' Flash animations 8-)! But it would be nice if you'd include a link
directly to the trailer so that those of us with 56k connections at home
could download it and take it home to watch at our leisure rather than have
to play it online (as a TRV900 owner I'd like to see what you've done with
it, but obviously can't watch movies at work)... expecting everyone to have
a broadband connection at home seems to be the second most common failing of
most independent movie web sites, after the Flash animations.
Mark
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:22:53 -0700
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: Matrox RT2500??
Message-ID: <002f01c10627$2551e5e0$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
In contrast, I have Pinnacle DV-500 and have had a good experience with
excellent drivers and software that works well with win2k and hardware, and
very good customer support. It is not perfect, but is good value for the
money and it works today. the new software makes installation very easy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:44 AM
Subject: RE: Matrox RT2500??
> My 2 cent worth...
>
> Make sure you spend some time reading the official Matrox forum before you
> purchase. The Rt2000 has not for a lot of folks delivered what it was
> supposed to deliver. It hasn't for me and I exclusively used hardware
that
> was "approved" by matrox. It has been a year now and I am still trouble
> shooting my card. After 3 major drivers release and going to win2K a lot
of
> folks do not have reliable editing system. I am not sure about the newest
> Matrox offering "RT25000" but I heard that it has its troubles.
> Anyway, heads up and read the forum of the cards that you plan on
purchasing
> and ask questions on the unofficial forums located here:
>
> RT2000/2500: http://members3.boardhost.com/rt2500/
> RT2000: http://members.boardhost.com/mainstreet/
>
> I am presemtly seriously looking at the DVStorm.
> unofficial forum: http://members3.boardhost.com/dvstorm/
>
> Good luck,
>
> Stephan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Crazyhorse Pictures [mailto:southcam@world-net.co.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:02 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Matrox RT2500??
>
>
> Ya right Joet!!!.. typical of me!. Raptor was no good, no analog IN.
> However, things have now changed, I have opted out for a Sony DSR-11,
> does realtime composite / YC to DV and visa versa and heard on the vine
> that Sony is about to hike the price of them down here in the shaky
> isles Thanks to all those for the advice though. Much appreciated!.
>
> Steve
>
> > You forgot to mention what it is you're thinking of using it for. In
> > general, the RaptorRT now seems to do the same thing at a fraction of
the
> > cost. And with software packages about to hit the shelves that can do
real
>
> > time previews (e.g. MSP 6.5) I'm not sure there's a lot of market left
for
>
> > these analog only real time cards.
> >
> >
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:21:05 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Progressive scan cameras?
Message-ID:
>I currently own an XL 1? But have finally gotten fed up with the fact that
>you can't hold it on your shoulder. But I love frame mode! I researched som=
e
>other brands (Sony) and found their cameras are 15p.
Hey there,
I guess you haven't checked out The MARzPAK=81.
Go to http://www.marztech.com to see the best hand held
camera support system on the market. It's a real life saver for XL1 owners
who want shooting comfort and added stability.
I own an XL1 and helped develop The MARzPAK=81 because of the camera's
poor ergonomics. Now I can shoot for hours, and with the addition
of our new stabilizing weight, you get the equivalent of a REAL steadicam
for under $400.00! The MARzPAK is also the ONLY handheld camera
support system that works with cameras from 2-35 lbs. Set up is
almost instant, and it is much easier to use than a steadicam.
We have sold to steadicam/glidecam owners who told me so.
jmerser aka jacques@marztech.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:10:12 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Re: TRV900 movies
Message-ID: <014101c1062d$d8231f80$06bd39d5@a9l0d9>
Mark,
to download a RealVideo Movie,
simply change the suffix of the file from .ram to .rm and save this file to
your computer.
in this case,
instead of clicking the trailer.ram link
simply download this file :
http://www.fourcornersltd.com/realaudio/trailer.rm
Tal Hart.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: TRV900 movies
> >> From: Quinn, Tom [mailto:QuinTo@CentennialSD.org]
> >> To see
> >> how our footage looked, check our web site. There is a link
> >> to the trailer
> >> on the main page, lots of rough cuts in the post production
> >> section, and
> >> plenty of pics in teh production/journals section.
>
> I'm impressed: an independent movie web site which isn't full of pointless
> 'cool' Flash animations 8-)! But it would be nice if you'd include a link
> directly to the trailer so that those of us with 56k connections at home
> could download it and take it home to watch at our leisure rather than
have
> to play it online (as a TRV900 owner I'd like to see what you've done with
> it, but obviously can't watch movies at work)... expecting everyone to
have
> a broadband connection at home seems to be the second most common failing
> of
> most independent movie web sites, after the Flash animations.
>
> Mark
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
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>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:14:37 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Matrox RT2500??
Message-ID: <3B458F8D.24756.DBC8B07@localhost>
In further contrast to your contrast, I'll see your 500 and call :-)
I have had an RT2000 since day one. My MOBO has never been on
the approved list. I started using a camcorder for playback that
wasn't on the approved list. I have had virtually 0 problems from day
1. I am now using the latest drivers and software package on both
WIn2K and Win98SE (even though Matrox does not support this)
and all works quite wonderfully.
Go figure:
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc.
never could play poker
> In contrast, I have Pinnacle DV-500 and have had a good experience
> with excellent drivers and software that works well with win2k and
> hardware, and very good customer support. It is not perfect, but is
> good value for the money and it works today. the new software makes
> installation very easy.
> > My 2 cent worth...
> >
> > Make sure you spend some time reading the official Matrox forum
> > before you purchase. The Rt2000 has not for a lot of folks
> > delivered what it was supposed to deliver. It hasn't for me and I
> > exclusively used hardware
> that
> > was "approved" by matrox. It has been a year now and I am still
> > trouble shooting my card. After 3 major drivers release and going to
> > win2K a lot
> of
> > folks do not have reliable editing system. I am not sure about the
> > newest Matrox offering "RT25000" but I heard that it has its
> > troubles.
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:16:38 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Marzpak
Message-ID: <014701c1062e$be39dd10$06bd39d5@a9l0d9>
I dont think this is the place for Commercialy advertising your product...
And hearing your own review isnt really convincing...
I am about to order a stabilizing system,
and am thinking of buying the Glidecam pro 2000 & a Camcrane 200...
i havent been able to find any reviews or any mentioning of the Marzapak in
the mags, nor on the net...
tal.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Progressive scan cameras?
> >>I currently own an XL 1? But have finally gotten fed up with the fact
> >that
> >>you can't hold it on your shoulder. But I love frame mode! I researched
> >some
> >>other brands (Sony) and found their cameras are 15p.
>
> Hey there,
>
> I guess you haven't checked out The MARzPAK.
> Go to http://www.marztech.com to see the best hand held
> camera support system on the market. It's a real life saver for XL1
owners
> who want shooting comfort and added stability.
>
> I own an XL1 and helped develop The MARzPAK because of the camera's
> poor ergonomics. Now I can shoot for hours, and with the addition
> of our new stabilizing weight, you get the equivalent of a REAL steadicam
> for under $400.00! The MARzPAK is also the ONLY handheld camera
> support system that works with cameras from 2-35 lbs. Set up is
> almost instant, and it is much easier to use than a steadicam.
> We have sold to steadicam/glidecam owners who told me so.
>
> jmerser aka jacques@marztech.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:26:08 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Lusting for dust words
Message-ID: <014b01c10630$08dcf5e0$06bd39d5@a9l0d9>
Hi,
Seen the Trailer, looks very nice...
I am not sure i would have gone into a full feature production with a
TRV900,
as the camera cost is minor in the overall production cost...
anyway I'ld recommend making some color corrections to you shots,
and try to add some contrasts.
Also, the TRV900 lens have a very wide Depth of field,
which makes it hard to shoot dramatic portraits as the background allways
tend to remain clear and
dosent allow you to give full attention to your subject...
theer are some tricks around that with added ND lenses and bright lighting,
but it will be easier to simply use a camera with better lens..
I think even the XL-1 can give betetr results,
and obviously, getting a larger $4-5K camcorder would have been much easier
and more reliable to operate,
not talking about give better results....
I just bought a TRV900 , and hope to use it for low cost Steadycam/Crane
shots..
Good luck anyway...
Tal Hart.
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:44:18 -0400
From: Marty Howe
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <3B45CEC1.F8565A55@bellsouth.net>
Last June 18th Maxtor announced its latest high capacity drive - the DiamondMax 536DX, a 100
GB, 5400 RPM hard drive.
See:
http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm
Has anyone on this list used this for video editing?
I remember seeing a comment from Charles at PROMAX , that for higher capacity drives (over 60
GB), that they recommended 7200 RPM.
Any comments or recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks
Marty
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:52:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <200107061452.f66Eq3E27983@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>This maybe a silly question but have you tried de-interlacing the
>stills?.
Why? If they are not video images, that is the last thing you want to do.
Even if they were video images, the complaint wasn't about video jitter,
it was about an image that was "in focus" before rendering and "out of focus"
after rendering.
If the original poster can place on a web server somewhere a copy of the
original file and then a Premiere frame grab (TIFF or BMP) of the rendered
image, then we can look at it and maybe see what is going on. Be sure
and do the frame grab at 720x480.
MB
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:55:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <200107061455.f66Etwi28042@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>*) Note that you should crop to 640X480 on your PC screen (or multiple).
>And I don't think you _have_ to resize to 720X480 if you don't want -
>Premiere should do that automatically, and with 'optimize stills' turned on
>it shouldn't take a lot longer.
I've found that the Premiere rescaling function is not very good, even
with 'optimize stills' turned on. So, I therefore do the work in PhotoShop
and bring over a 720x480 image.
MB
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:03:38 -0700
From: "danclark"
To:
Subject: RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <000001c1062c$d65a3bd0$0a10fed8@dan>
I tried all of the fixes that Joe, Steve, Ned and MB suggested. This
includes resizing to 720 X480 and 640 X480, importing files in BMP and
tga format, and rendering from the menu. Unfortunately, no improvement.
However...
When I ran DXDiag, it showed that I had DX8 installed, NOT DX8a.
Specifically it is, "DirectX 8.0 (4.08.00.0400)". I have the one from
the Microsoft website, which is DX8 (April version). The DX on the
Premiere CD is older. Where can I find DX8a?
Regards,
Dan.
P.s. I tried to install the V6.01 update, but I got an error about,
"...preminfo.dll could not be updated". Note that I do have the Full
version that came with the ADS Pyro Platinum package.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Parker [mailto:jp1@speakeasy.org]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:53 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Some random thoughts:
*) Verify you have DX8a installed. Windows Update (or DXDiag) will tell
you
if you need it (but Premiere6 should have installed it)
*) Try using .bmp instead of .psd
*) Note that you should crop to 640X480 on your PC screen (or multiple).
And I don't think you _have_ to resize to 720X480 if you don't want -
Premiere should do that automatically, and with 'optimize stills' turned
on
it shouldn't take a lot longer.
*) To discount preview problems, have you actually tried rendering to a
movie then outputting it to tape?
I've only done a few photo projects with P6 but never had a problem with
static images (their moving path needs work though!).
>Q: What is the process?
>A: 1. Open image in PhotoShop. Crop to ratio of 720 X 480
> (to maintain correct aspect ratio).
>
> 2. Change image size to 720 X 480.
>
> 3. Save file in .psd format.
>
> 4. Open Premiere and import file into bin.
>
> 5. Insert file into timeline and change duration to 2 seconds.
>
> 6. Press key to render video.
>
> 7. Rendered still shot is displayed in monitor window.
>
> NOTE - At step 5 (prior to rendering), the image is sharp.
> At step 7 (after rendering), the image is blurry.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:04:26 -0700
From: "danclark"
To:
Subject: RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <000101c1062c$f2f673d0$0a10fed8@dan>
MB,
I'll heading off to work now, but I'll post this tonight.
Thanks and regards,
Dan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vidiot [mailto:brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:52 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
>This maybe a silly question but have you tried de-interlacing the
>stills?.
Why? If they are not video images, that is the last thing you want to
do. Even if they were video images, the complaint wasn't about video
jitter, it was about an image that was "in focus" before rendering and
"out of focus" after rendering.
If the original poster can place on a web server somewhere a copy of the
original file and then a Premiere frame grab (TIFF or BMP) of the
rendered image, then we can look at it and maybe see what is going on.
Be sure and do the frame grab at 720x480.
MB
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:17:08 -0600
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <3B45D674.9970AA8@familydocumentaries.com>
Just a thought, but are you viewing the end result on an NTSC monitor, TV set, or just in the preview window?
danclark wrote:
> MB,
>
> I'll heading off to work now, but I'll post this tonight.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Dan.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vidiot [mailto:brown@mrvideo.vidiot.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:52 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
>
> >This maybe a silly question but have you tried de-interlacing the
> >stills?.
>
> Why? If they are not video images, that is the last thing you want to
> do. Even if they were video images, the complaint wasn't about video
> jitter, it was about an image that was "in focus" before rendering and
> "out of focus" after rendering.
>
> If the original poster can place on a web server somewhere a copy of the
> original file and then a Premiere frame grab (TIFF or BMP) of the
> rendered image, then we can look at it and maybe see what is going on.
> Be sure and do the frame grab at 720x480.
>
> MB
> --
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 08:37:28 -0700
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Photoshop still image fuzzy in Premiere - Help!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010706083728.024a9128@m4.sprynet.com>
A salient question might be: what kind of pictures are we talking about here?
If a still lots of high-frequency noise (e.g. a graphic with lots of
detail, a close-up of grass or sand), the DV codec will scrag the image
pretty heavily.
Nick
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:09:09 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Daniel_H=F6lbling?=
To:
Subject: URGENT
Message-ID:
To keep it short:
1. How can I do 16:9 by software?
2. What the h*ll does Cleaner do? =)
3. Any tips for attaching the cam to a motorcycle?
4. Or car? =)
5. Which program should I use for compressing my videos to for example DivX?
6. What software should I use for effects, credits, subtitles and so on?
Should I use Premiere?
My equipment:
JVC DVL-157
Premiere 6.0
Cleaner
Photoshop 6.0
Thanks.
Daniel
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:26:35 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Marzpak
Message-ID:
>I dont think this is the place for Commercialy advertising your product...
>And hearing your own review isnt really convincing...
Ah, another distrustful soul. I am only trying to help those how
need a solution that works and is cost effective. My comments
aren't meant to convince, only to inform those with open minds
of a possible solution. Here are some links of what others say:
http://www.2-pop.com/library/articles/2001-05-28b.html
2-pop review on the Marzpak
http://www.marztech.com/reviews.htmlReviews
feedback from satisfied customers
>I am about to order a stabilizing system,
>and am thinking of buying the Glidecam pro 2000 & a Camcrane 200...
Well, we've sold MARzPAKs to Glidecam owners who are thrilled with
how easy and well the pak works as opposed to the glidecam and steadicams
which (they say) are _very_ difficult to set up, not very
comfortable, and limited
in which cameras can be used.
>
>i havent been able to find any reviews or any mentioning of the Marzapak in
>the mags, nor on the net...
Yup. We are selling a PRO product for consumer prices. We don't advertise
because we are a web based company that really wants to deliver a
quality product
for reasonable prices. If you do a search for the EZ-Rig 2, you will see that
although it isn't a versatile as The MARzPAK, it costs $2,500.00.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:25:06 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Marzpak
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010706092233.00bd7380@139.121.3.10>
At 05:16 PM 7/6/01 +0200 all or part of what Tal Hart \(TelNET\) wrote=20
included:
>I dont think this is the place for Commercialy advertising your product...
>And hearing your own review isnt really convincing...
>
>I am about to order a stabilizing system,
>and am thinking of buying the Glidecam pro 2000 & a Camcrane 200...
>
>i havent been able to find any reviews or any mentioning of the Marzapak in
>the mags, nor on the net...
I posted my review of the Marzpak unit on this forum back in Dec 2000,=20
Tal. Given below is a repeat of that review:
"I have been evaluating a relatively new camcorder support system that=20
fills a certain "niche" of camera support between a tripod and pure=20
handheld. I have found that camcorders of the VX2000/PD150/GL-1 class=20
provide for great mobility over a shoulder mount camcorder but, because of=
=20
their weight, become hard to use in a handheld mode for more than a few=20
minutes. An example is a 1-2 hour wedding reception.
The device I have been evaluating, the MARzPAK=99, provides a method of=20
handholding for this class camcorder while supporting the weight of the=20
camcorder itself, thereby relieving some of the fatigue one gets with=20
extended handholds.
There is a heavier-duty model for larger camcorders but I haven't used it.
I have been quite pleased with the results I obtained with my PD150. I=20
found I could shoot "handheld" basically indefinitely without having to=20
take the camcorder from my eye because of hand/arm fatigue. Although it=20
didn't inherently allow one any more image stability, the lack of the=20
normal fatigue factor did in fact seem to add to ultimate image stability.
Having the tube overhead that holds the camera suspension cord gave me the=
=20
idea for a light bar to mount on it so that camcorder lights could be=20
positioned somewhat off camcorder axis. I constructed an aluminum tubing=20
light bar and brackets that could hold a couple of lights. If anyone is=20
interested let me know and I can email you some pix of the light bracket.
Overall, as I previously said, I found the system filling a need not=20
provided by any other device, other than maybe a monopod. I personally=20
found more flexibility with this device than a monopod. Your mileage may=
vary.
I have no interest in this company other than as a buyer of the unit. I=20
have found the company very responsive to helping with questions and ways=20
to optimize its performance."
--
Regards,
Carroll Lam
CLamCam Video
Casablanca Dealer in Tucson, AZ
(520) 405-6645
Casablanca Tips: www.clamcamvideo.com/tips_list.html
___________________________________________
The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:47:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: joly@dti.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: RE : A FAST sound edit software needed
Message-ID: <200107061647.f66Glqt20957@web1.noc.dti.net>
I use Video Vegas as my default audio editor these
days. Similarly one can drag clips - monitor fx in
realtime etc etc.. abd, if exporting to wma, add media
events to boot..
Quoting Les Howarth :
> Randy,
> you need a non-destructive editor, for that speed
(not Forge or Cool) the
> one recommended by my V.O> guy , who does hour long
Radio Shows id
> Minnetonka Softwares Fast Edit. He flies with it.
>
> Alternatively, Cool Edit(pro) or Cool Edit 2000 (plus
multitrack plugin)
> both provide non destructive editing in multitrack
mode (you can even drag
> clips around while playing back!)
>
> Les Howarth
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:54:51 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Progressive scan cameras?(another =?iso-8859-1?Q?MARzPAK=81?= plug
HA!)
Message-ID:
> YOU CAN WITH A BRACE YOU CAN MAKE LIKE I DID.
The problem with those braces is you also have to support their
weight too . . . ugh!
Sure, there are a couple now that have a "stomach pokers" to help, but guess
why they have a tube going down and hitting you in the gut? They get
heavy and you can NEVER rest while holding your camera.
The other issue is that you get ONE camera angle . . . shoulder high.
Using The MARzPAK=81 you can move your camera from the floor to overhead.
Try that with a shoulder brace.
Also, your hands are not on the camera's controls. You get to hold a handle
w/ one of them. The MARzPAK floats the camera, allows you to keep on the
controls, and also carries your batteries, tapes, and other gak, not to ment=
ion
tent, sleeping bag and food stuffs for trekkers :) Camera is always ready t=
o
hit record.
jmerser
http://www.marztech.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:03:39 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Progressive_scan_cameras=3F=28another_MARzPAK=81_plu?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?g__HA!=29?=
Message-ID: <012101c1063d$9b232cf0$4601a8c0@dev01>
Maybe you should take a few moments to review Glidecam's website and see
what they offer before you poke people in the stomach :-)
Try http://www.glidecam.com/products.html
These are mostly camera stabilization systems... ala SteadiCam, but less
expensive.
Something that hanging a camera on a string can't do.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:13:45 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Re: Marzpak
Message-ID: <017d01c10647$6f0a8690$06bd39d5@a9l0d9>
I am not distrustful ,
but as you have commerial intrest in selling these,
than i wouldnt take your own word for it..
BTW, as a web only company, I'ld suggest working on your website,
it looks very unprofessional, and dosent make a good work in selling your
product....
tal.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Marzpak
> >>I dont think this is the place for Commercialy advertising your
> >product...
> >>And hearing your own review isnt really convincing...
>
> Ah, another distrustful soul. I am only trying to help those how
> need a solution that works and is cost effective. My comments
> aren't meant to convince, only to inform those with open minds
> of a possible solution. Here are some links of what others say:
>
> http://www.2-pop.com/library/articles/2001-05-28b.html
> 2-pop review on the Marzpak
>
> http://www.marztech.com/reviews.htmlReviews
> feedback from satisfied customers
>
>
> >>I am about to order a stabilizing system,
> >>and am thinking of buying the Glidecam pro 2000 & a Camcrane 200...
>
> Well, we've sold MARzPAKs to Glidecam owners who are thrilled with
> how easy and well the pak works as opposed to the glidecam and steadicams
> which (they say) are _very_ difficult to set up, not very
> comfortable, and limited
> in which cameras can be used.
>
> >>
> >>i havent been able to find any reviews or any mentioning of the Marzapak
> >in
> >>the mags, nor on the net...
>
> Yup. We are selling a PRO product for consumer prices. We don't
advertise
> because we are a web based company that really wants to deliver a
> quality product
> for reasonable prices. If you do a search for the EZ-Rig 2, you will see
> that
> although it isn't a versatile as The MARzPAK, it costs $2,500.00.
>
> jmerser
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:35:57 -0400
From: "J.G. Fennessy"
To:
Subject: RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
Message-ID:
That's great, Tom!
Thanks for the help and best of luck to you.
Regards, Jim Fennessy
-----Original Message-----
From: Quinn, Tom [mailto:QuinTo@CentennialSD.org]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:54 AM
To: 'DV-L@DVCentral.org'
Subject: RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
I'm just finishing a feature on the TRV-900, which is similar to the PD-150.
We used manual settings for nearly everything, particularly exposure, but
also for white balance and focus. You're going to want as much control as
possible on a feature. I fully agree that you need a good color monitor on
the set. I would add that you should learn to calibrate it properly as well
- we lost a few night scenes to poorly calibrated monitors. One trick that
we started using later was too turn the brightness down and the contrast up,
just slightly, when shooting nights scenes. We would then over light them a
bit (careful not to overexpose) and then change the brightness and contrast
in post. This assures nice black levels at night or in dark scenes. To see
how our footage looked, check our web site. There is a link to the trailer
on the main page, lots of rough cuts in the post production section, and
plenty of pics in teh production/journals section. Good luck and let me
know if you have any questions! We made a lot of mistakes and learned a lot
from them.
Tom Quin
http://www.fourcornersltd.com/Dust/dustindex.htm
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:34:06 -0400
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: The key to 4.5 hours is a STANDARD LARGE DV cassette.
Message-ID: <001101c10641$db54e760$ff646c42@nyc.rr.com>
"Using a standard DV cassette, the AG-DVC200 records for
an astounding 276 minutes (4 1/2 hours) without a cassette change"
...ummm,
how can that be!?. Dropout city here we come!!. 1/2" 410k CCD's but NO
16 x 9?. Anyone actually played with one of these -- besides Jan
Crittenden! :-)"
STEVE here -- and yes I've been working with the DV200. it is just plain
fantastic! It has a number of great features and superb image quality.
Jan promised Pana would eventually take aim at the DV market and they
have. And hit a home run. I was sent an info sheet on the camcorder's
design -- which maybe Jan can post.
The key to 4.5 hours is a STANDARD LARGE DV cassette.
Now -- if Pana will make a version with a small DV transport and a
non-interchangeable lens that weighs about 5-8 pounds they will have
something for those who don't need 4.5 hours and will never change
lenses.
Frankly, I suspect that while lots of folks "say" they want to change
lenses and shoot 3-4 hours an a cassette -- but after buying a camcorder
with these features -- they never really use them.
Two facts. The most expensive and professional videography -- using
HD -- is done with 60 min. or less cassettes. So I figure if these guys
can shoot underwater and in the arctic with only 30-60 minutes -- so can
I.
Moreover, many folks would prefer to break shooting into small chunks
because it's easy to manage media AND if shooting on location -- each
tiny DV cassette can be sent back home via FEDEX just in case a disaster
strikes. I'd hate to put several crucial days of shooting in Tibet on
one large cassette.
I'm not criticizing the DV200 -- it's built like a tank which some
prefer. Shooting weight is 14 pounds -- only a few pounds lighter than
an HD camcorder. (Jan, note that I didn't write HDCAM!)
It's just that there is a market -- I think a very large one -- for a
light-weight DV camcorder with 1/2-inch chips. It was so nice to be able
to shoot scenes with super bright highlights and not worry about
bleached-to-white details. And low light performance was superb as well.
Hopefully, some one will review the DV200 against the VX2000.
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:38:46 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Marzpak
Message-ID: <014201c10642$82508dd0$4601a8c0@dev01>
Geezzz... next you'll have us believe that SteadiCam (or similar products
like GlideCam) are not used by major studios, motion picture productions,
etc. because they are 'too complicated'? You want PERFECT shots? You get a
setup first.
What??? They are limited to what cameras you can use?
You better read up on them... from 35 pound film cameras to the latest
sub-pound DV Handhelds.
Seems like a pretty wide range to me!
FWIW... I did a search in Yahoo for the product your sell EZ-Rig 2.
What was returned was http://www.optexint.com/sales/sales.htm and they sell
BOTH the EZ-Rig _AND_ SteadiCam. Guess their users are more aware then
yours? Didn't see any other listing except for fishing gear or windsurfing
stuff. Not even you :-(
Yes... if you are doing strictly amateur/consumer videos for fun and
amazement of your family and friends, then a dangled camera might work for
you. But would a good optical stabilization system be a better choice? DV
cams are that heavy... unless you go pro models at 10 pounds and up.
Personally, I be embarrassed as h@*# to come in shooting for hire with a
bungee cord looking device.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:53:12 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <1010706105323.8eb3118.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.338083@mail.promax.com>
Marty Howe Wrote:
I think the reason this new 100 MB drive is spinning at 5400 RPM is its
density. The tighter the tracks the more reason to spin at a slower speed
to avoid errors.
I would personally give it a while to season and to see what other users
experience. 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time lines but the minute
a project gets complex especially at the same point (like multiple tracks
of audio with video effects) you will most likely drop frames with a 5400
RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across 100 MB. I think that
IBM will soon (this fall) be out with 7200 RPM 100+ GB ATA drives and I
trust IBM technology a lot more.
For What Its Worth.
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
>Last June 18th Maxtor announced its latest high capacity drive - the
>DiamondMax 536DX, a 100
>GB, 5400 RPM hard drive.
>
>See:
>http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm
>
>Has anyone on this list used this for video editing?
>
>I remember seeing a comment from Charles at PROMAX , that for higher
>capacity drives (over 60
>GB), that they recommended 7200 RPM.
>
>
>Any comments or recommendations would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:22:53 -0700
From: Karl Lohninger
To:
Subject: Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Message-ID:
Geeez....take it down already. While I've never used the said device its
price is somewhat lower than a full blown steadycam, isn't. And that should
be taken into account I think, funny looking or not. Furthermore, to expect
high gloss magazine reviews from a device that is sold only in small numbers
which means probably also that the manufacturer is not able to 'pay' for the
review(s) - that's how it usually works - in a direct or indirect way. That
these guys chime in once a month and point their fingers at their marzpack -
well, we can live with that, can't we not? "Being embarrassed as hell" using
this device might be a bit immature....the film (video) world is full of
gadgets that look quite funky. Of course now we're used to them and not
embarrassed anywmore being seen with a full steadicam rig going for what,
$75.000.00 minimum.
The funky thing might work after all!!!
I also want to congratulate the guys shooting 'Lusting for Dust Words'. It's
no small feat to to go through such a challenge. The scenes posted on the
website look great - shot with a TRV900 (!) and a miniature lighting
package! You guys rule! Of course they could also have been embarrassed
shooting with such a 'lowly' camera just that in that case there would have
been be no creation, no movie at the end.
Yes, there might be colorshifts or lighting continuity problems etc. but you
know what, I find these kind of problem spots in almost every major release
too.....
Rg, Karl Lohninger
Writer/director/sound mixer/
somebody wrote:
> Geezzz... next you'll have us believe that SteadiCam are not used by major
studios, motion picture productions,
> etc. because they are 'too complicated'? You want PERFECT shots? Etc.
etc....... strictly amateur/consumer videos for amazement of > your family,
then a dangled camera might work for you...... Personally, I be >
embarrassed as h@*# to come in shooting for hire with a bungee cord looking
>device.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Reid
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <20010706183118.35819.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com>
Charles I've been reading these notes because I'm
going to buy a new hard drive. I to like IBM Deskstar
drives because there so reliable. I was thinking about
the GRX 75 gig drive from IBM and as I was reading
your note I wondered if I should wait for the extra 35
gig's of space. I've had nothing but grief with Maxtor
drives and there pre loaders so it's good advice to
stay away from that brand.
--- "Charles F. McConathy"
wrote:
> Marty Howe Wrote:
>
> I think the reason this new 100 MB drive is spinning
> at 5400 RPM is its
> density. The tighter the tracks the more reason to
> spin at a slower speed
> to avoid errors.
>
> I would personally give it a while to season and to
> see what other users
> experience. 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time
> lines but the minute
> a project gets complex especially at the same point
> (like multiple tracks
> of audio with video effects) you will most likely
> drop frames with a 5400
> RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across
> 100 MB. I think that
> IBM will soon (this fall) be out with 7200 RPM 100+
> GB ATA drives and I
> trust IBM technology a lot more.
>
> For What Its Worth.
>
> Charles F. McConathy
> www.promax.com
>
> >Last June 18th Maxtor announced its latest high
> capacity drive - the
> >DiamondMax 536DX, a 100
> >GB, 5400 RPM hard drive.
> >
> >See:
> >http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm
> >
> >Has anyone on this list used this for video
> editing?
> >
> >I remember seeing a comment from Charles at PROMAX
> , that for higher
> >capacity drives (over 60
> >GB), that they recommended 7200 RPM.
> >
> >
> >Any comments or recommendations would be
> appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:35:41 -0700
From: Paul Darrigo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
Message-ID: <0GG200508EB61B@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
Hi,
I just watched your trailer. I really liked the compsition of the shots ...
it did look a little contrasty but Not sure if it's he compression or what.
Looks great. Did you shoot 16x9 or crop?
Paul
----------
>From: "Quinn, Tom"
>To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'"
>Subject: RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
>Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2001, 5:54 AM
>
> I'm just finishing a feature on the TRV-900, which is similar to the PD-150.
> We used manual settings for nearly everything, particularly exposure, but
> also for white balance and focus. You're going to want as much control as
> possible on a feature. I fully agree that you need a good color monitor on
> the set. I would add that you should learn to calibrate it properly as well
> - we lost a few night scenes to poorly calibrated monitors. One trick that
> we started using later was too turn the brightness down and the contrast up,
> just slightly, when shooting nights scenes. We would then over light them a
> bit (careful not to overexpose) and then change the brightness and contrast
> in post. This assures nice black levels at night or in dark scenes. To see
> how our footage looked, check our web site. There is a link to the trailer
> on the main page, lots of rough cuts in the post production section, and
> plenty of pics in teh production/journals section. Good luck and let me
> know if you have any questions! We made a lot of mistakes and learned a lot
> from them.
> Tom Quin
> http://www.fourcornersltd.com/Dust/dustindex.htm
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:36:15 -0700
From: Jeff Greenberg
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Message-ID: <3B46051F.E6737F84@websciences.org>
There was a review of this device on 2-pop.com not too long ago...
Jeff Greenberg
jeff@websciences.org
Karl Lohninger wrote:
> Geeez....take it down already. While I've never used the said device its
> price is somewhat lower than a full blown steadycam, isn't. And that should
> be taken into account I think, funny looking or not. Furthermore, to expect
> high gloss magazine reviews from a device that is sold only in small numbers
> which means probably also that the manufacturer is not able to 'pay' for the
> review(s) - that's how it usually works - in a direct or indirect way. That
> these guys chime in once a month and point their fingers at their marzpack -
> well, we can live with that, can't we not? "Being embarrassed as hell" using
> this device might be a bit immature....the film (video) world is full of
> gadgets that look quite funky. Of course now we're used to them and not
> embarrassed anywmore being seen with a full steadicam rig going for what,
> $75.000.00 minimum.
> The funky thing might work after all!!!
>
> I also want to congratulate the guys shooting 'Lusting for Dust Words'. It's
> no small feat to to go through such a challenge. The scenes posted on the
> website look great - shot with a TRV900 (!) and a miniature lighting
> package! You guys rule! Of course they could also have been embarrassed
> shooting with such a 'lowly' camera just that in that case there would have
> been be no creation, no movie at the end.
>
> Yes, there might be colorshifts or lighting continuity problems etc. but you
> know what, I find these kind of problem spots in almost every major release
> too.....
>
> Rg, Karl Lohninger
> Writer/director/sound mixer/
>
> somebody wrote:
>
> > Geezzz... next you'll have us believe that SteadiCam are not used by major
> studios, motion picture productions,
> > etc. because they are 'too complicated'? You want PERFECT shots? Etc.
> etc....... strictly amateur/consumer videos for amazement of > your family,
> then a dangled camera might work for you...... Personally, I be >
> embarrassed as h@*# to come in shooting for hire with a bungee cord looking
> >device.
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:39:02 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <000201c1064a$eea2fc90$4423a8c0@dell420>
>I would personally give it a while to season and to see what other users
>experience. 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time lines but the minute
>a project gets complex especially at the same point (like multiple tracks
>of audio with video effects) you will most likely drop frames with a 5400
>RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across 100 MB. I think that
>IBM will soon (this fall) be out with 7200 RPM 100+ GB ATA drives and I
>trust IBM technology a lot more.
My experience backs up Charles. I briefly had a 80GB Maxtor 5400RPM in my
RT2000 system. Fine for simple DV stuff, but when I worked on my 30 minute
complex project (1-5 video tracks, up to 15 audio tracks, lots of FX) it
choked.
Note that I use one drive for video, one for audio (RT2000 breaks up A&V)
and one for previews. Even in that setup the Maxtor could keep up. My IBM
75GB works perfectly, even when 95% full.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"But you know something? Sometimes you have to break the rules to free your
heart."
-Homer Simpson
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:39:31 -0700
From: Paul Darrigo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking PS
Message-ID: <0GG2004G5EHJIR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
PS... How did you light it? It doesn't look like video and has a softer look
to it?
Paul
----------
>From: "Quinn, Tom"
>To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org'"
>Subject: RE: PD-150 Feature Filmmaking - Manual v. Automatic Settings
>Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2001, 5:54 AM
>
> I'm just finishing a feature on the TRV-900, which is similar to the PD-150.
> We used manual settings for nearly everything, particularly exposure, but
> also for white balance and focus. You're going to want as much control as
> possible on a feature. I fully agree that you need a good color monitor on
> the set. I would add that you should learn to calibrate it properly as well
> - we lost a few night scenes to poorly calibrated monitors. One trick that
> we started using later was too turn the brightness down and the contrast up,
> just slightly, when shooting nights scenes. We would then over light them a
> bit (careful not to overexpose) and then change the brightness and contrast
> in post. This assures nice black levels at night or in dark scenes. To see
> how our footage looked, check our web site. There is a link to the trailer
> on the main page, lots of rough cuts in the post production section, and
> plenty of pics in teh production/journals section. Good luck and let me
> know if you have any questions! We made a lot of mistakes and learned a lot
> from them.
> Tom Quin
> http://www.fourcornersltd.com/Dust/dustindex.htm
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:40:48 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <1010706114059.8edd095.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.339346@mail.promax.com>
Michael Reid Wrote:
Like anything computer related...if you need it now and can make money
with it get it. If not wait until you need it. The larger drives get the
more you loose if one goes down. Big is wonderful but takes a lot of time
to backup. IBM like you say is much more reliable and stable.
FWIW
Charles F. McConathy
>Charles I've been reading these notes because I'm
>going to buy a new hard drive. I to like IBM Deskstar
>drives because there so reliable. I was thinking about
>the GRX 75 gig drive from IBM and as I was reading
>your note I wondered if I should wait for the extra 35
>gig's of space. I've had nothing but grief with Maxtor
>drives and there pre loaders so it's good advice to
>stay away from that brand.
>
>
>
>--- "Charles F. McConathy"
>wrote:
>> Marty Howe Wrote:
>>
>> I think the reason this new 100 MB drive is spinning
>> at 5400 RPM is its
>> density. The tighter the tracks the more reason to
>> spin at a slower speed
>> to avoid errors.
>>
>> I would personally give it a while to season and to
>> see what other users
>> experience. 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time
>> lines but the minute
>> a project gets complex especially at the same point
>> (like multiple tracks
>> of audio with video effects) you will most likely
>> drop frames with a 5400
>> RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across
>> 100 MB. I think that
>> IBM will soon (this fall) be out with 7200 RPM 100+
>> GB ATA drives and I
>> trust IBM technology a lot more.
>>
>> For What Its Worth.
>>
>> Charles F. McConathy
>> www.promax.com
>>
>> >Last June 18th Maxtor announced its latest high
>> capacity drive - the
>> >DiamondMax 536DX, a 100
>> >GB, 5400 RPM hard drive.
>> >
>> >See:
>> >http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm
>> >
>> >Has anyone on this list used this for video
>> editing?
>> >
>> >I remember seeing a comment from Charles at PROMAX
>> , that for higher
>> >capacity drives (over 60
>> >GB), that they recommended 7200 RPM.
>> >
>> >
>> >Any comments or recommendations would be
>> appreciated.
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:56:23 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Message-ID: <017a01c1064d$5a183970$4601a8c0@dev01>
Nope... it isn't the equivalent of a SteadiCam or GlideCam, either...
agreed.
But the GlideCam units are not $20K either.
Even the advertising for these hanging wonders state they do NOT substitute
for a camera stabilization system. If you want the weight off your hand/arm
and on to your waist/back then I guess they are OK. Improve the shot?
Probably not.
If you shoot for your own productions and the only thing that counts is the
finish, then a broomstick and a ball can work.
If you get paid to shoot someone else's commercials, long or short features,
event or training/infomercials, then they care what you use. SteadiCam is a
substantial looking device, sorry.
I personally don't mind when they chip in with their monthly ad... it's when
they say that theirs (MARzPAK or other) is better than the standard
equipment and will do what the stabilization systems (in camera or external)
will do. If it were, they'd have no problem getting investment funding and
run ads and have satisfied users to do their bidding for them. Why is it
only the sellers of the product seem to tout its virtues?
BTW... in 30 years of developing products, I have yet to have an ad sway the
editorial department... and any reviewer caught taking product, money or
gratuities for a better review, probably just wrote their last review.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:51:26 -0700
From: Karl Lohninger
To:
Subject: Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Message-ID:
On 07/06/01 11:56 AM, "Clesson Duke" wrote:
> If you shoot for your own productions and the only thing that counts is the
> finish, then a broomstick and a ball can work.
> If you get paid to shoot someone else's commercials, long or short features,
> event or training/infomercials, then they care what you use. SteadiCam is a
> substantial looking device, sorry.
Dear Clesson, I spend my life on movie sets on a daily basis and believe me,
if the broomstick version will do the job the broomstick will be it! Who
cares about the 'looks'? Nobody! Not on low budget movies and not on high
budget movies either!
>
> I personally don't mind when they chip in with their monthly ad... it's when
> they say that theirs (MARzPAK or other) is better than the standard
> equipment and will do what the stabilization systems (in camera or external)
> will do.
They didn't say theirs is better, they said you could sweep a table easier
with their device then with a steadicam rig....;-) sure they're right....;-)
>
> BTW... in 30 years of developing products, I have yet to have an ad sway the
> editorial department... and any reviewer caught taking product, money or
> gratuities for a better review, probably just wrote their last review.
BTW - I'm sorry, but dream on. No, they don't tell and yes, advertising
department never speaks to editiorial. What else is new?
Rg, Karl
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joel W. Smit"
To: DV-LIST
Subject: OT: Any opinions on NUON enhancement for DVD players?
Message-ID: <20010706195608.18842.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi,
I just read a small article describing a feature
enhancing technology for DVD called NUON. Any
informed ideas on whether it will catch on or should
we care? Is it worth getting a NUON enabled player
when so far only "Bedazzled" (the re-make) is encoded
for it?
Seems that most 'hardware' people are waiting for the
'content' people to green light the standard and
vise-versa, so right now it is a novelty looking for
broad appeal and adoption.
That's all I've got to say about that.
Cheers,
J. Dubya
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:04:19 -0700
From: "Alexei Gerulaitis"
To:
Subject: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <00f101c10656$dc1878f0$6701a8c0@dv411.com>
HELP!!!
What's the best (most practical) MiniDV dubbing solution for 3-4
simultaneous dubs?
For now, considering using five chain-linked SR-VS20U
(http://dv411.com/srvs20u.html). The problem is that you have to
manually start each deck. Which could probably be accomplished by using
a single remote for all of the them at the same time.
The good thing is that SR-VS20U seems to be the cheapest MiniDV deck
around (aside from buying a camcorder) despite that it is a dual format
one.
Any other ideas?
Thanks!
Best,
Alexei, http://dv411.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:05:30 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Message-ID: <01be01c10657$07b26de0$4601a8c0@dev01>
You copied my point... but in case it missed...
>>If you get paid to shoot someone else's commercials, long or short
features,
>>event or training/infomercials, then they care what you use.
"They" pay the bills. If you are on a movie set, then it is the finish work
that counts -- however you get there.
Anyway, it's been a long time since I swept under a table. Maybe in movies
it is an everyday event.
Guess you haven't written reviews or articles and had the law set down by
the editor, then have the marketing guy say "be nice to the, they advertise
here". My answer has always been, if it will be a bad review, then I won't
let it be published - no review. Most reviewers are independent writers and
get paid by the review and based on their name. If a reviewer gives
unjustified praise, where none is due... readers won't follow them and their
worth (per article) is diminished. Most (99.999%) products reviewed are
returned to the maker, except for one archival copy kept by the editor for
posterity... not use. So where's bribe? Unless you do travel or
restaurants reviews... now there's something on which I could manage to be
swayed.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:11:03 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <1010706131114.8f2c9a6.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.351657@mail.promax.com>
Alexei Gerulaitis Wrote:
How do you daisy chain five SR-VS20 via FireWire?
The Panasonic DV1000 is less than $1000 now.
Thanks
Charles F. McConathy
>HELP!!!
>
>What's the best (most practical) MiniDV dubbing solution for 3-4
>simultaneous dubs?
>
>For now, considering using five chain-linked SR-VS20U
>(http://dv411.com/srvs20u.html). The problem is that you have to
>manually start each deck. Which could probably be accomplished by using
>a single remote for all of the them at the same time.
>
>The good thing is that SR-VS20U seems to be the cheapest MiniDV deck
>around (aside from buying a camcorder) despite that it is a dual format
>one.
>
>Any other ideas?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Best,
>Alexei, http://dv411.com
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:17:35 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: OT: Any opinions on NUON enhancement for DVD players?
Message-ID: <200107061617.AA753729760@mail.xiveren.com>
>Is it worth getting a NUON enabled player
>when so far only "Bedazzled" (the re-make) is encoded
>for it?
It's worth it if you rent/buy "Bedazzled". I don't recall a sloppier film I seen in a theater in sometime despite the lovely Brendan & Liz. Some of the editing was just painful to watch.
And not funny either. Hopefully NUON enabling will provide a funny script, sharp direction, tight editing, lovely cinematography to films that lack it.
;)
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It can only be attributable to human error"
-HAL
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:45:56 EDT
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <87.caedfc0.28777d84@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/6/01 10:54:09 AM, mcconathy@promax.com writes:
<< 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time lines but the minute
a project gets complex especially at the same point (like multiple tracks
of audio with video effects) you will most likely drop frames with a 5400
RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across 100 MB. >>
Is this a reason to use a couple of smaller drives rather than one huge one?
I'm not talking about a RAID, just two or three 40 gigabyte drives running at
higher speeds? I don't imagine you would want to fragment a project across
several drives though, but perhaps separate sections of a large project.
[Also, isn't is nice that we can now refer to a 40 gigabyte as a "smaller"
drive? My first hard drive was 20 megabytes.]
b.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:02:28 +0100
From: "BRODIE PATERSON"
To:
Subject: Re: VAIO & external 1394 HD
Message-ID: <003d01c1065e$f805b2a0$8681fc3e@mshome.net>
Have you formatted your ext. HD? La Cie HDs need formatted?
Brodie Paterson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt & Sue Johnston"
To:
Sent: 05 July 2001 13:15
Subject: VAIO & external 1394 HD
> Has anyone added an additional HD to a VAIO, especially a
> Firewire one?
>
> I have a VAIO (PCG-XG9) with firewire port (because of Premiere
> which came with it for input via camcorder). I was hoping to be
> able to put on a firewire HD but the system can't see it. I tried to
> use ControlPanel/NewHardware but it couldn't see it. I tried
> SmartConnect but it failed.
>
> I know I could get a PCMCIA card that has a firewire attachment but
> I understand that is not so fast for editing. My firewire direct to a
> HD sounded great but I'm afraid it can't work.
>
> Has anyone tried this with success?
>
> Walt
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:05:13 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <1010706140524.8f5c5e1.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.355128@mail.promax.com>
Triglyph@aol.com Wrote
>
>In a message dated 7/6/01 10:54:09 AM, mcconathy@promax.com writes:
>
> 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time lines but the minute
>a project gets complex especially at the same point (like multiple tracks
>of audio with video effects) you will most likely drop frames with a 5400
>RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across 100 MB. >>
>
>Is this a reason to use a couple of smaller drives rather than one huge
>one?
Or you can partition a larger drive and accomplish less fragmentation as
well.
>I'm not talking about a RAID, just two or three 40 gigabyte drives running
>at higher speeds? I don't imagine you would want to fragment a project
across
>several drives though, but perhaps separate sections of a large project.
75 GB 7200 RPM IBM drives work pretty well. Remember even the fastest
SCSI drives can choke on complex time lines. Often the culprit is audio
tracks. Lets say you have 4 tracks of audio with cross fades, a video
title, a video effect, a transition, all at the same point on the time
line. This means the heads have to find 12 different files to work with
thus latency becomes the issue since the drive cannot find data fast
enough to keep the buffer full. Faster spinning drives with larger
buffers can help a lot. Fragmentation can come to play here as well which
also cuts latency. Defrag a drive can be of value - don't use Norton -
use AlSoft.
>
>[Also, isn't is nice that we can now refer to a 40 gigabyte as a "smaller"
>drive? My first hard drive was 20 megabytes.]
Yes I remember those days since I developed SCSI storage for Macintosh
back in 80's - my very first drive was a 5 MB (note MB not GB) Apple
Profile Hard Disk Drive for $3495.00. I thought I was in hog haven. Now
anything less than 20 GB is more or less throw away, grin!
Thanks,
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:18:48 -0700
From: "Alexei Gerulaitis"
To:
Subject: RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <00f601c10661$40169260$6701a8c0@dv411.com>
: From: Charles F. McConathy [mailto:mcconathy@promax.com]
:
: How do you daisy chain five SR-VS20 via FireWire?
Good question. I wasn't thinking. With just one FireWire connector -
you can't.
Is there a DA (distribution amp) that duplicates DV signal to multiple
FireWire outputs?
I guess the question still stands: what is the most practical solution
for making 3-4 simult MiniDV dubs?
: The Panasonic DV1000 is less than $1000 now.
It's a better choice. So is it possible to dub to 4 of them over 1394?
Thanks Charles.
Best,
Alexei, http://dv411.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:28:10 EDT
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Marzpak and other criticisms
Message-ID:
In a message dated 7/6/01 11:23:36 AM, midoil@mediaone.net writes:
<< I also want to congratulate the guys shooting 'Lusting for Dust Words'.
It's
no small feat to to go through such a challenge. The scenes posted on the
website look great - shot with a TRV900 (!) >>
What is the URL for this website?
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:28:16 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <1010706142827.8f70b02.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.355348@mail.promax.com>
Alexei Gerulaitis Wrote
>: From: Charles F. McConathy [mailto:mcconathy@promax.com]
>:
>: How do you daisy chain five SR-VS20 via FireWire?
>
>Good question. I wasn't thinking. With just one FireWire connector -
>you can't.
>
>Is there a DA (distribution amp) that duplicates DV signal to multiple
>FireWire outputs?
>
>I guess the question still stands: what is the most practical solution
>for making 3-4 simult MiniDV dubs?
>
>: The Panasonic DV1000 is less than $1000 now.
>
>It's a better choice. So is it possible to dub to 4 of them over 1394?
You might be able to use one of the FireWire hubs if you can find one
that will work with enough ports.
>
>Thanks Charles.
>
>Best,
>Alexei, http://dv411.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:37:15 -0700
From: "Alexei Gerulaitis"
To:
Subject: RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <00fc01c10663$d4531c30$6701a8c0@dv411.com>
: You might be able to use one of the FireWire hubs if you can find one
: that will work with enough ports.
A four-port hub would be enough but... I thought they could only
accommodate point-to-point connections like most busses, switches or
hubs do. Can FireWire hubs be "taught" to duplicate DV streams to
multiple FireWire ports?
Best,
Alexei, http://dv411.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:35:17 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <200107061735.AA720896318@mail.xiveren.com>
>[Also, isn't is nice that we can now refer to a 40 gigabyte as a "smaller"
>drive? My first hard drive was 20 megabytes.]
>
I remember how happy I was to get a second floppy drive for my Apple 2. I was king of the world. I could run OS on first drive and run programs on the second. Wow...
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It can only be attributable to human error"
-HAL
--
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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:40:06 +1200
From: Crazyhorse Pictures
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Marzpak
Message-ID: <3B463036274.01F4SOUTHCAM@smtp.world-net.co.nz>
...and still no steak knives!!!????....
> I am not distrustful ,
> but as you have commerial intrest in selling these,
> than i wouldnt take your own word for it..
>
> BTW, as a web only company, I'ld suggest working on your website,
> it looks very unprofessional, and dosent make a good work in selling your
> product....
>
> tal.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:46:51 -0700
From: "Wes Lazara"
To:
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <00e101c10665$2e1fe3f0$070c10ac@schwabfoundation.org>
Same for my pc xt 8 mHz! that second floppy drive was great, and I even had
a little brother to be the official "Disk-Switcher" during games...
Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
> >[Also, isn't is nice that we can now refer to a 40 gigabyte as a
"smaller"
> >drive? My first hard drive was 20 megabytes.]
> >
>
> I remember how happy I was to get a second floppy drive for my Apple 2. I
was king of the world. I could run OS on first drive and run programs on the
second. Wow...
>
> --
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "It can only be attributable to human error"
> -HAL
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:11:25 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Subject: RE: URGENT
Message-ID:
1. I'm not quite sure what you mean. Premiere itself supports 16:9 footage
if you've captured it that way. If you're talking about how to letterbox a
4:3 image, that's another topic. Can you be more specific?
2. Cleaner lets you encode your video into several different formats such as
MPEG1, MPEG2 and streaming media formats like Windows Media and Real.
5. Well, you can use Cleaner which you already have. For DivX specifically,
you can do that from Cleaner or straight from Premiere by choosing the DivX
codec in your AVI export options.
6. There are of course a plethora of options available. You can do some
simple stuff inside of Premiere. If you want to get more control, the
"Boris" family of plugins for Premiere are excellent and very popular for
titles and DVE stuff. For the more effects-centric compositing work, Adobe
After Effects would be an excellent program to round-out your suite.
Hope this helps a little!
Tyler A. Hawes
Krysalis Productions
Web Development, Video & Animation, NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
(360) 882-7297
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Hölbling [mailto:daniel.holbling@muf.se]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:09 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: URGENT
To keep it short:
1. How can I do 16:9 by software?
2. What the h*ll does Cleaner do? =)
3. Any tips for attaching the cam to a motorcycle?
4. Or car? =)
5. Which program should I use for compressing my videos to for example DivX?
6. What software should I use for effects, credits, subtitles and so on?
Should I use Premiere?
My equipment:
JVC DVL-157
Premiere 6.0
Cleaner
Photoshop 6.0
Thanks.
Daniel
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:30:44 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Daniel_H=F6lbling?=
To:
Subject: RE: URGENT
Message-ID:
exactly, i want to letterbox a 4:3 =3D)
what program?
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler A. Hawes [mailto:dvlist@krysalisproductions.com]
Sent: den 7 juli 2001 00:11
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: URGENT
1. I'm not quite sure what you mean. Premiere itself supports 16:9 footag=
e
if you've captured it that way. If you're talking about how to letterbox =
a
4:3 image, that's another topic. Can you be more specific?
2. Cleaner lets you encode your video into several different formats such=
as
MPEG1, MPEG2 and streaming media formats like Windows Media and Real.
5. Well, you can use Cleaner which you already have. For DivX specificall=
y,
you can do that from Cleaner or straight from Premiere by choosing the Di=
vX
codec in your AVI export options.
6. There are of course a plethora of options available. You can do some
simple stuff inside of Premiere. If you want to get more control, the
"Boris" family of plugins for Premiere are excellent and very popular for
titles and DVE stuff. For the more effects-centric compositing work, Adob=
e
After Effects would be an excellent program to round-out your suite.
Hope this helps a little!
Tyler A. Hawes
Krysalis Productions
Web Development, Video & Animation, NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
(360) 882-7297
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel H=F6lbling [mailto:daniel.holbling@muf.se]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:09 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: URGENT
To keep it short:
1. How can I do 16:9 by software?
2. What the h*ll does Cleaner do? =3D)
3. Any tips for attaching the cam to a motorcycle?
4. Or car? =3D)
5. Which program should I use for compressing my videos to for example Di=
vX?
6. What software should I use for effects, credits, subtitles and so on?
Should I use Premiere?
My equipment:
JVC DVL-157
Premiere 6.0
Cleaner
Photoshop 6.0
Thanks.
Daniel
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:37:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joel W. Smit"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Any opinions on NUON enhancement for DVD players?
Message-ID: <20010706223705.12727.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com>
He he he. Never saw the film, don't plan to. Sounds
like my instncs were correct. I was, however, hoping
for more subjective commentary on NUON. Or is that
objective commentary? I dunno, I must be dazzled.
J. Dubya
--- Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
> >Is it worth getting a NUON enabled player
> >when so far only "Bedazzled" (the re-make) is
> encoded
> >for it?
>
> It's worth it if you rent/buy "Bedazzled". I don't
> recall a sloppier film I seen in a theater in
> sometime despite the lovely Brendan & Liz. Some of
> the editing was just painful to watch.
>
> And not funny either. Hopefully NUON enabling will
> provide a funny script, sharp direction, tight
> editing, lovely cinematography to films that lack
> it.
>
> ;)
>
> --
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "It can only be attributable to human error"
> -HAL
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:53:09 EDT
From: ADReiff@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: VAIO & external 1394 HD
Message-ID:
In a message dated 7/5/01 2:25:54 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
JohnstonWalt@omf.net writes:
<< I have a VAIO (PCG-XG9) with firewire port (because of Premiere
which came with it for input via camcorder). I was hoping to be
able to put on a firewire HD but the system can't see it. I tried to
use ControlPanel/NewHardware but it couldn't see it. I tried
SmartConnect but it failed. >>
I can't give you alot of help on this because I haven't added a drive via
firewire on my xg9 but I have used Smart Connect to recognize another xg9.
Didn't your HD come with an installation disc? Don't you have drivers to
install? Any contact with tech from the HD manufacturer or Sony?
Luck to you and please let us know what you come up with.
Down the road, accross the water,
adr
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:22:54 -0700
From: "Justus J. Schlichting"
To:
Subject: Re: URGENT
Message-ID: <200107062325.TAA00773@cliff.concentric.net>
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:09:09 +0200, Daniel wrote:
>To keep it short:
>1. How can I do 16:9 by software?
>2. What the h*ll does Cleaner do? =3D)
>3. Any tips for attaching the cam to a motorcycle?
Bogen (Avenger grip equipment) has clamps that work well, but=
I've
had good results using a Cinesaddle (or Minisaddle) from
http://www.cinekinetic.com/
>4. Or car? =3D)
Cinesaddle - see above
-- Justus J. Schlichting, justus-j@deltanet.com on 07/06/2001
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:55:36 -0500
From: "Ben Hardy"
To:
Subject: DV Horizontal Shimmer
Message-ID: <000701c10677$27113ac0$95150518@kenner1.la.home.com>
Have you ever done a tripod tilt and experienced a horizontal "shimmering"
effect? Usually it occurs when tilting down slowly across a straight
horizontal edge (table, doorsill, etc.) We record using a remotely
controlled Pan/Tilt device (Stage Presentations, Musical Concerts, etc.) and
with both the XL-1 and VX-2000 this seems to happen. Is there any way we
can reduce (if not eliminate) this effect?
Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
Ben Hardy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:37:26 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Progressive scan cameras?
Message-ID:
on 7/6/01 5:21 PM, jmerser at jmerser@pop3.concentric.net wrote:
>> I currently own an XL 1? But have finally gotten fed up with the fact th=
at
>> you can't hold it on your shoulder. But I love frame mode! I researched =
some
>> other brands (Sony) and found their cameras are 15p.
>=20
> Hey there,
>=20
> I guess you haven't checked out The MARzPAK=81.
> Go to http://www.marztech.com to see the best hand held
> camera support system on the market. It's a real life saver for XL1 owne=
rs
> who want shooting comfort and added stability.
>=20
> I own an XL1 and helped develop The MARzPAK=81 because of the camera's
> poor ergonomics. Now I can shoot for hours, and with the addition
> of our new stabilizing weight, you get the equivalent of a REAL steadicam
> for under $400.00! The MARzPAK is also the ONLY handheld camera
> support system that works with cameras from 2-35 lbs. Set up is
> almost instant, and it is much easier to use than a steadicam.
> We have sold to steadicam/glidecam owners who told me so.
>=20
> jmerser aka jacques@marztech.com
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Hello: I believe I replyed to you. The unit I made for myself cost less
then 75.00 to make if one includes time to get materials and to do the job.
It is really simple yet it needs to be seen to understand how it works. As
I also said check not just people who sell video equipment. You need to
contact a store that sells to film people who use 16mm equpment and above.
Tughollow
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:52:29 -0700
From:
To:
Subject: Anti virus
Message-ID: <001301c1067f$19781d40$7f241f18@we.mediaone.net>
Are there any recommendations for anti virus software that do not interfere
with windows based editing software? Specifically Vegas video?
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:15:12 -0700
From: "Felix Gallo"
To:
Subject: Re: Anyone using the 100 GB DiamondMax 536DX from MAxtor?
Message-ID: <005101c10682$45ca5e50$19992b04@cats>
Charles writes:
> I would personally give it a while to season and to see what other users
> experience. 5400 RPM will work for non-complex time lines but the minute
> a project gets complex especially at the same point (like multiple tracks
> of audio with video effects) you will most likely drop frames with a 5400
> RPM drive and especially if its fragmented across 100 MB. [...]
Actually, as long as you get a latest generation hard drive, RPM just
doesn't matter any more (and arguably it never did), except in
very exceptional cases. Instead, pay attention to the access times
and data rates of the drives, as reported by, for instance,
http://www.storagereview.com -- which even lets you browse
the drives sorted by performance in a Premiere 4.2 benchmark
from Winbench 99, arguably the closest thing you're going to
get to 'how does this drive work in my chosen application'.
As an example, the Diamondmax 40, a moderately new but
ATA/66 5400 RPM drive, gets 9330 KB/sec in the Premiere
benchmark. A Seagate Cheetah 18LP AV 10000 RPM drive
Ultra 160 SCSI drive with 4 megabytes of cache (!) gets
11933 KB/sec. The performance is a bit better, but both
of these drives totally blow even the most complex timelines
out of the water with no problem, and the SCSI drive is
several multiples the cost.
In plainer terms: you could probably play out 7+ simultaneous
DV streams from today's 5400 RPM drives. As far as 'multiple
audio tracks' possibly causing dropouts: each 48KHz 16 bit
audio track is 768,000 bits/sec; each DV track is 28,800,000
bits/sec; that makes each audio track about 2.6% of a video
track. On my crappy old ATA-66 hard drive with about
1/3 the performance of today's 5400 RPM drives, I can
play out the equivalent of two DV video streams while
playing 30 (thirty) tracks of audio, each with real time
effects applied.
The corporate database world is now perhaps the last
world constrained by disk performance. Audio used to
require you to jump through hoops to get real time
performance, but now all the interesting synthesizers
are in software. Video used to be a black art, but now
for 95%+ of those who read this post, disks are not
an issue any more. I would be extremely surprised if
anyone who has a modern system in 2001 ever experiences
a single output dropout with DV.
Felix
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:49:59 EDT
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Premiere rendering problem
Message-ID: <86.c312dee.2877c4c7@aol.com>
Working with Premiere 6.0 on a Mac G3.
Just imported some commercials I've shot to put together a new reel.
Straight DV clips, used on reels many times before. Just an assembly: no
transitions, no dissovles, no effects: nothing done to them other than just
line them up end to end on the time line. Haven't even added a title yet.
Hit "enter" to see a preview and it is taking 2 hours to build a preview
(estimated). Let it run for for about 30 minutes. Stopped it, shut down and
restarted Premiere. Hit enter again and it started up where it left off:
about an hour left to render.
I'm used to long renders if I do even simple transitions, but this can't be
right.
Suggestions?
thanks,
b.
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:21:37 +0900
From: selander@tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <1ew68qg.281a3yeamlzsM%selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Alexei, as others have pointed out, daisy chaining won't work with one
port devices.
Check this URL out, it's seems to be exactly what you need:
http://www.elitevideo.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/p-
4005.html?L+scstore+zzyu7498+993950340
They call their device a "distrubution amp" but I think any firewire
hub/repeater will do the same thing.
Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan
> HELP!!!
>
> What's the best (most practical) MiniDV dubbing solution for 3-4
> simultaneous dubs?
>
> For now, considering using five chain-linked SR-VS20U
> (http://dv411.com/srvs20u.html). The problem is that you have to
> manually start each deck. Which could probably be accomplished by using
> a single remote for all of the them at the same time.
>
> The good thing is that SR-VS20U seems to be the cheapest MiniDV deck
> around (aside from buying a camcorder) despite that it is a dual format
> one.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Alexei, http://dv411.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:31:22 -0700
From: Alexei Gerulaitis
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: MiniDV dubbing?
Message-ID: <012701c1068c$ebd0ead0$6701a8c0@dv411.com>
: Check this URL out, it's seems to be exactly what you need:
: http://www.elitevideo.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/
: scstore/p-4005.html?L+scstore+zzyu7498+993950340
Thanks Tim!
: They call their device a "distrubution amp" but I think any firewire
: hub/repeater will do the same thing.
I wonder... Can anyone confirm?
Best,
Alexei, http://dv411.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:23:47 -0500
From: Franz
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere rendering problem
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010706222137.009ed920@clear.lakes.com>
Double check your preferences. Your DV clips and your project are not the
same hence the render.
At 09:49 PM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Working with Premiere 6.0 on a Mac G3.
>
>Just imported some commercials I've shot to put together a new reel.
>
>Straight DV clips, used on reels many times before. Just an assembly: no
>transitions, no dissovles, no effects: nothing done to them other than just
>li
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:22:16 -0700
From: "Brian Nokell"
To:
Subject: DV to disk
Message-ID: <000001c106a4$ca9d6380$b4a2520c@RACK1>
This got my attention..
http://www.focusinfo.com/products/firestore/firestore.htm
apologize if it's been discussed already, but it was new to me and
appears to have real potential. Now if it only had RS-422 machine
control,
it might be what I really could use with an incomplete Trinity system.
Anyone have experience with this product, or is it too new?
bn
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