DV-L Wed, 18 Jul 2001 Volume 1 : Number 920
In this issue:
Pinnacle Meeting
ReOT:CD roms not detected-DvdIT
RE: If anyone remains confused ...
RE: the same tweak Adobe offers to convert VAIO?
Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Re: CLEANER DVD VCD??.
RE: Recommended File Formats for Web Media Clips
Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Re: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
RE: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Re: Get Final Cut Pro 2.0 for $89!!!
Re: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Re: videoguy@concentric.net
Re: CLEANER DVD VCD??.
RE: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
RE: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
RE: Where is a Sony VAIO mail list or forum?
Pinnacle Pro-ONE
Sony DSR-20 speed?
Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
RE: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
RE: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
RE: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
RE: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
WinXP
RE: Father Superior at work. < Read or parish.
RE: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
3D Carrara
Warning! Soapbox! OT! Was: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Re: 3D Carrara
Re: OT Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Re: OT Not that y'all will miss me, but...
RE: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
3D Carrara Thankyou
WinXP
Re: WinXP
Re: Father Superior at work. < Read or parish.
Re: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Father Superior at work. < Read or parish.
Re: 3D Carrara Thankyou
Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Pal to Ntsc pseudo telecine
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Re: WinXP
Re: videoguy@concentric.net
Re: WinXP
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
A field issue ?
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Re: A field issue ?
Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
RE: WinXP
Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Re: Warning! Soapbox! OT! Was: Stable PC-based DV editing
environment... An oxymoron???
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:20:40 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: Pinnacle Meeting
Message-ID:
Greetings,
I am posting this without permission, but expect that formal news will
follow. I am in San Jose at Pinnacle's invite to see a new product that
should be very interesting. This is a BJ show (figure it out) and I expect a
lot of puffery about the capabilities, but Pinnacle reps are pretty psyched
about it. There are a bunch of other reseller/VAR folks here including the
list's own Alexei but I will let him post his own observations.
Anyway, expect something shortly on this new product which I am assured will
not be called the DV800 Plus.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:52:27 -0400
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: ReOT:CD roms not detected-DvdIT
Message-ID:
I've had a lot of problems with DVDit also...seems If you import stuff into
the media files list and then remove the files from your harddrive
before you delete them from the project, you can no longer use the program.
So be careful to delete assets improted into the program from your project,
before moving or deleting files on your harddrive.
I also couldn't back up the installed program (the copy routine failed when
it saw the installed sonic app!?)
>
>I had to reinstall w2k and install the latest via 4 in 1 ide/udma drivers.
>It now works ok. It seems that whenever I tried to install dvdit-pe it
>would corrupt the registry. Using the windows troubleshooter didn't work
>for me, hence the reinstall.
>Thanks to all for your suggestions.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:10:35 -0400
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: If anyone remains confused ...
Message-ID: <003001c10ea0$56b8ea80$ff646c42@nyc.rr.com>
"I fear this oversimplification *will* only confuse things further."
Actually Adam, we both said the same thing.
Except you added the important point that LCD, DLP, and plasma viewing
systems convert to progressive scanning (unless fed with progressive
SYSTEM video) interlaced SYSTEM video -- which may, or may not, be
carrying "interlaced" frames (which may, or may not, have been obtained
by line-pair addition) from CCDs that were progressively scanned. :)
If anyone remains confused I suggest heading to:
www.mindspring.com/~dv2cinema
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:26:21 -0400
From: "Steve Mullen"
To:
Subject: RE: the same tweak Adobe offers to convert VAIO?
Message-ID: <003101c10ea2$8a6748c0$ff646c42@nyc.rr.com>
> But they do need a tweak, which I believe is still an Avid beta, not
available to the public.
This tweak wouldn't by chance be the same "tweak" Adobe offers
(??SWITCHER??) to convert VAIO ports to OHCI ports so Premiere 6 can run
on the VAIO? It certainly sounds the same.
Do you have a VAIO laptop to test with? If so, run the Adobe program
before starting the Avid software.
It would allow Avid editing on a 3.5 pound under $2,000 laptop.
IF IT WORKS YOU COULD HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CUSTOMERS!
Best Regards,
Steve Mullen
Digital Video Consulting NYC
www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:32:14 +1000
From: "Denni Schutt"
To:
Subject: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
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I'd been keen to hear of peoples first hand experiences with the Canon =
3:1 Widish Zoom.
Ian Schutt
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I'd been keen to hear of peoples first = hand=20 experiences with the Canon 3:1 Widish Zoom.
Ian Schutt
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:07:14 +1200
From: Crazyhorse Pictures
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: CLEANER DVD VCD??.
Message-ID: <3B541C62187.27EASOUTHCAM@smtp.world-net.co.nz>
I'm the he/she (its was "he" last time I looked!:-) that started this
thread and would just like to thank Perry, Dany and MB for your
excellent help!!. Guys like you make this list an invaluable tool!!.
Incidentally, MPEG-4.. (WMV?), Will stand alone DVD players handle this
format!??. Looks like VCD is the only way I can go for a client with a
DVD player?.
Kind regards to all who helped!
Steve
> Why do you call it PSEUDO?...because there's MPEG-4 as well as 2?
> check this Perry
> http://www.wwug.com/forums/dvd_creation/index.htm
> or this semi=pro page
> http://pub28.ezboard.com/fdoom9smpegforumfrm5
>
> >This whole Pseudo DVD area is full of mines and short of affordable
> >commercial applications, particularly for the Mac. Does anybody have any
> >suggested web forums where these matters are discussed at length?
> >cheers
> >Perry Mitchell
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:07:48 -0500
From: "Doug Wise"
To:
Subject: RE: Recommended File Formats for Web Media Clips
Message-ID:
Art:
I am in a similar situation and have been reading all I can the past few
months about compression and streaming. I would recommend keeping it
simple, as it is very easy to get overly complicated and confused in this
fast changing world.
I have decided to go with just QuickTime. I didn't want to learn about and
support two or three different formats and QuickTime seemed to be the most
mature product. Many people already have the player; the others can
download it very easily. Check out the great book "QuickTime for the Web"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/012471255X/qid=995313698/sr=2-2/ref=a
ps_sr_b_1_2/103-0379284-9847865.
I have also been reading the manuals that came with Terra's Media Cleaner 5
and Sorenson's Developer Edition. These two programs should be able to do
pretty much anything you could need, but there is a steep learning curve to
get good.
It is a fine art being a good "compressionist."
Doug Wise
dougw@candleman.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:06:15 +0200
From: "Lindau, Viimar"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Message-ID:
Hello!
Right now I own Sony Digital8 TRV110E which was probably the first Digital8
camera Sony made.
Now I'm looking towards some newer D8 model which have already MegaPixel CCD
i.e. TRV730E.
My question is.... Has someone tested to compare those two CCDs? Is there
some big difference between "regular"pixel cameras and MegaPixel cameras?
Sure you can take much better stills with MegaPixel but is there any
significant difference in video picture quality?
Another option for me would be of course upgrading to 3CCD cameras, but as
the price level for those cameras is about twice as much as 1CCD MegaPixel
cameras then again I'd like to ask how big difference there really is and is
it worth it to pay double for 3CCD cameras.
Thank you!
Viimar
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charos
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Message-ID: <20010717132153.29229.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>
So-called megapixel cameras use only a portion of the
ccd when capturing DV. DV is 740x480 pixels.
If better picture quality is worth spending more money
_to you_, then a 3chip is worth the additional price.
The difference in visual quality is striking.
- Bill Carpenter
Athena Productions
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:21:25 -0500
From: Rik Albury
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Message-ID: <068C168376FFD411A6E100805F19999233FF47@misnts1.dalsemi.com>
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Viimar said, in part:
...is it worth it to pay double for 3CCD cameras.
Yes!
-r.
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Viimar said, in part:
...is it worth it to pay double for 3CCD cameras.
Yes!
-r.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:56:31 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Get Final Cut Pro 2.0 for $89!!!
Message-ID:
on 7/16/01 5:36 AM, John Jackman at illumination@compuserve.com wrote:
> At 12:13 AM 7/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
>> Robert I am forwarding your email to Apple. Why? Because its tough enough
>> to make a living as it is without this sort of thing undermining the SRP
>> of something that ProMax and many other VARs make their living selling
>> and supporting. I would not mind at all but we do not get the same break
>> as Stanford University and other educational accounts do. It is simply
>> not fair. My copy to Apple will probably make no difference but it will
>> make me feel better if nothing else.
>
>
> Charles, I agree with you completely. Attending a seminar should not allow
> the attendee to qualify for an academic discount, and it has never been my
> understanding that universities were permitted to buy at academic rate and
> then resell to anybody. Though I have not read the fine print in the Apple
> academic discount --
>
> I'd like to buy all my software at academic rate, but I don't qualify. I
> don't "fudge" and have students I know buy stuff for me, either.
>
> John Jackman
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Hello: It is interesting to me what you all have been talking about
relating to the cost of the FCP. Many times I have heard about how we try
and help each other and that is wonderfull because that is why I and others
belong to this site. Why worry what the basic cost of a program is when it
is the total cost that is the final. Training cost and help in detail costs
and their are many ways of selling a product. Do you all really believe
that when I school or teacher gets a special price that most schools are
just going to buy one of the FCP. This is the same as buying bulk in video
tape or in any business that one is located. I know that anyone who is in
business as I am in business which is not in this industry does discounts to
the grovernment, cities, counties and schools because of one they pay their
bills and they have a bid price. THIS IS THE WAY THE CRAZY SYSTEM WORKS.
B&H SELLS PRODUCTS FOR LESS THEN THE LOCAL DEALER AND YET MANY PEOPLE BUY
PRODUCSTS FROM THEM. I BUY MY TAPE FROM TAPE RESORCES AND SAVE A LOT. I
BUY NOT JUST ONE TAPE OR TWO BUT PURCHASE BY THE BOX AND MANY OF YOU DO.
THIS IS JUST ONE PERSONS OPINION. TUGHOLLOW
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:28:14 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Re: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Message-ID: <0fd801c10ecc$b7effc40$06bd39d5@a9l0d9>
I havent done a side by side comparison,
but 3CCD definetely give better colours.
as for Mega pixel,
a DV Video picture is built from about 415,000 pixels (720 x 576)
so i doubt how a 1.5 Million pixel CCD would generate a better picture than
if the camera had just the 400,000 or so...
if the CCD would have been larger in size though (1/4 , 1/3 , 1/2 , 2/3
inch),
it would have been capable to capture more light and therefore probably
generate better pictures...
this is mainly my technical view of things,
i havent had the chance to compare things one by one,
as my cameras are very different , not just by the number of ccd's or
pixels, and therefor many factors are connected with the output picture.
tal.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
> Hello!
>
> Right now I own Sony Digital8 TRV110E which was probably the first
Digital8
> camera Sony made.
> Now I'm looking towards some newer D8 model which have already MegaPixel
> CCD
> i.e. TRV730E.
> My question is.... Has someone tested to compare those two CCDs? Is there
> some big difference between "regular"pixel cameras and MegaPixel cameras?
> Sure you can take much better stills with MegaPixel but is there any
> significant difference in video picture quality?
>
> Another option for me would be of course upgrading to 3CCD cameras, but as
> the price level for those cameras is about twice as much as 1CCD MegaPixel
> cameras then again I'd like to ask how big difference there really is and
> is
> it worth it to pay double for 3CCD cameras.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Viimar
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
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>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:24:54 +0200
From: "Guenter Huber"
To:
Subject: Re: videoguy@concentric.net
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Hey DJF and TMB,
>>>does the VAIO have it [OHCI]?=20
>>Nopers - see above.
DJF, your explanations are not bad, but this one simply is BS. Virtually =
EVERY Sony VAIO (including the very first 1998 302 VAIO tower) is =
OHCI!!! The only exception I know of is one of the first 1999 VAIO =
laptops (737 e.g.)!
And you shouldn=B4t intimidate people by making it look more complcated =
and twisted than it is. Odds today are that it is Plug and Play. =
Verbally.
TMB,
with all the current VAIOs you can capture from within (supplied) =
Premiere (5.1) through a Sony supplied driver. No need to (s)witch or do =
any other witchcraft. Especially Sony.
Owner of a 737 and Z600 (Z505 in USA) laptops and 302 tower
Cheers
G=FCnter
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Hey DJF and TMB,
>>>does the VAIO have it [OHCI]?
>>Nopers - see=20 above.
DJF, your explanations are not bad, but = this one=20 simply is BS. Virtually EVERY Sony VAIO (including the very = first 1998 302=20 VAIO tower) is OHCI!!! The only exception I know of is one of the first = 1999=20 VAIO laptops (737 e.g.)!
And you shouldn=B4t intimidate people = by making it=20 look more complcated and twisted than it is. Odds today are that it = is Plug=20 and Play. Verbally.
TMB,
with all the current VAIOs you can = capture from=20 within (supplied) Premiere (5.1) through a Sony supplied driver. No need = to=20 (s)witch or do any other witchcraft. Especially Sony.
Owner of a 737 and Z600 (Z505 in USA) = laptops and=20 302 tower
Cheers
G=FCnter
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:17:48 +0200
From: "Guenter Huber"
To:
Subject: Re: CLEANER DVD VCD??.
Message-ID: <00dd01c10ec4$91fc3b50$30da2e3e@hs5.local>
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>>Incidentally, MPEG-4.. (WMV?), Will stand alone DVD players handle =
this
format!??. Looks like VCD is the only way I can go for a client with a
DVD player?.
No MPEG4 on DVD players. Correct.
Cheers
G
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>>Incidentally, MPEG-4.. (WMV?), Will stand alone DVD players = handle=20 this
format!??. Looks like VCD is the only way I can go for a client = with=20 a
DVD player?.
No MPEG4 on DVD players. = Correct.
Cheers
G
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:07:19 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Pixel vs. MegaPixel vs. 3CCD
Message-ID:
There are some misconceptions creeping in here!
A CCD is an analog device, the output is an analog voltage which is
resampled at the rate used by the cameras digital signal processing (DSP).
It probably does some analog processing first (pre-knee, gamma, etc). There
is no reason to use the same CCD sample rate as the DSP and eventual DV
sample rates, and in fact it is usually different for the horizontal but the
same for the vertical. The optical anti-aliasing is easier to make effective
with a higher CCD 'sample rate' or pixel count, but a higher count gives a
lower sensitivity and probably higher cost.
The actual numbers are 'muddied' by the common practice of not supplying an
image for the so called digital blanking, so that in PAL only 702 odd pixels
of the 720 total width are actually active. (The number in NTSC is probably
710)
FWIW
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:38:31 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Message-ID: <002e01c10ece$272088e0$4423a8c0@dell420>
I love my 3X lens - I might even admit to sleeping with it at night...
Seriously, it has rock solid optical quality and I shoot 95% of XL1 stuff
with it or the 14X manual (updates to these lenses should be available soon,
so you might wait before buying).
The best thing about it is that I also own the Century Wide Angle adapter.
Put this on the 3X and your get a extreme wide angle, almost a mild fisheye,
with some pleasing curving at the edges. Wonderful creative tool and hard to
achieve with other DV cams...
stephen
www.xiveren.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:45:09 -0400
From: "Robert Gundersen"
To:
Subject: RE: Where is a Sony VAIO mail list or forum?
Message-ID: <001601c10ecf$13cb6340$0164a8c0@bgunder.nauticom.net>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I'm considering getting a new Sony VAIO.
>
> Does anyone know of a good VAIO mail list or forum on
> the net?
There is a list on egroups - VideoVaio. It gets very light traffic (at least
compared to DV-L!), but give it a try.
To join the group, visit the eGroups web site
http://www.egroups.com
I do have an older Vaio which is why I subscribe to the group, but do not
use the Vaio for my video work (long story). Can't make any comment on
current models, but I'm sure others here can.
_____
Bob Gundersen
Viewfinder Ventures Videography
(412) 422-2861
(707) 982-0888 fax
bgunder@stargatechoice.net
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:42:08 -0400
From: "Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Pinnacle Pro-ONE
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717103908.0371f300@pop3.concentric.net>
Pinnacle Systems Unveils Professional Real-Time Editing and DVD Authoring
Solution
Pinnacle Pro-ONE Enhances Creativity, Flexibility and Productivity for
Digital Video Editing and DVD Authoring
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., July 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Pinnacle Systems, Inc.
(Nasdaq: PCLE - news), a leader in digital video,
today announced Pinnacle Pro-ONE, an advanced DV-based editing and
authoring solution that dramatically reduces the cost and
production time to create sophisticated, broadcast quality video and
publish interactive DVDs.
Pinnacle Pro-ONE's powerful processing engine increases productivity by
reducing the time consuming process of rendering and
gives videographers the artistic tools to perfect the combinations of
digital effects and 3-D objects in real-time. Users can combine
two digital video streams with titles, graphics, and 3D objects and apply
up to ten digital video effects simultaneously in real-time.
``Digital video is about to go through a sea of change as flexible new
products give videographers a full range of capabilities,'' says
Kathleen Maher, Senior Analyst and Editor-in-Chief of the Peddie Report for
Jon Peddie Associates. ``It's easier than ever to
move video content from source to editing platform to output. JPA sees the
year 2001 as ground zero for new growth in video
editing especially as recordable DVD products get positioned on the launch
pad. Products like Pinnacle's Pro-ONE that give
professional videographers all the tools they need including 3D with little
rendering overhead and also gives enthusiasts an easy to
use editing platform will move video editing on to considerably more
desktops in all segments including professional, corporate and
consumer.''
``Pinnacle Pro-ONE resets the product performance expectation for the DV
editing enthusiast and professionals,'' says Bill
Loesch, vice president of product development for Pinnacle Systems'
Personal Web Video Division. ``Pinnacle Pro-ONE's ups
the production value of corporate and event videos to include sophisticated
visual effects like you would see on CNN or ESPN.''
About Pinnacle Pro-ONE
Pinnacle Pro-ONE is a no compromise real-time DV editing and DVD authoring
solution. Pinnacle Pro-ONE is a hardware DV
capture and effects card with digital and analog video and audio inputs and
outputs. Pinnacle Pro-ONE includes Adobe(TM)
Premiere(TM) 6.0, Pinnacle's Hollywood FX-RT, TitleDeko RT for video
editing and Pinnacle Impression DVD-SE for DVD
authoring.
Hollywood FX RT
Pinnacle Pro-ONE includes Hollywood FX RT, giving the user over 200
sophisticated, real-time, keyframeable, multi-layer effects with 3D
animated objects, such as ``page peel,'' ``ripple,'' ``nightline'' and
``sports block''.
Control Slow Motion in Real-Time
Pinnacle Pro-ONE gives the user independent slow motion control of two
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:59:53 -0600
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Message-ID: <3B5452E9.AF041231@familydocumentaries.com>
Any ideas on a work around for the following?
I have a client that wants me to transfer old 8mm movies to mini-dv so he can import an edit them from his mini-dv camera. Since the DSR-20 only fits 42 minutes of material on a 60 minute
tape via firewire, is there any way that my client will be able to play back the minis on his camera?
Thanks in advance.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:02:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Message-ID: <200107171502.f6HF2Eq30825@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I have a client that wants me to transfer old 8mm movies to mini-dv so he can import an edit them from his mini-dv camera. Since the DSR-20 only fits 42 minutes of material on a 60 minute
>tape via firewire, is there any way that my client will be able to play back the minis on his camera?
You can't do it with a DSR-20, as it will record DVCAM on the tape, which is
not playable on miniDV camcorders. The camcorder MUST be DVCAM compatible.
MB
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:24:07 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Message-ID: <005901c10ed4$8b375740$6401a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
If he has a Sony camera it will be no problem. Other manufacturers may or
may not playback correctly. You'll just have to test it to be sure.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Reidenbaugh"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Sony DSR-20 speed?
> Any ideas on a work around for the following?
>
> I have a client that wants me to transfer old 8mm movies to mini-dv so he
can import an edit them from his mini-dv camera. Since the DSR-20 only fits
42 minutes of material on a 60 minute
> tape via firewire, is there any way that my client will be able to play
back the minis on his camera?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:08:31 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Message-ID:
I got sat on the other day saying that it was unusual for non-Sony DV
cameras to play DVCAM - turns out lots of them do it now!
Perry
-----Original Message-----
From: Vidiot
>I have a client that wants me to transfer old 8mm movies to mini-dv so he
can import an edit them from his mini-dv camera. Since the DSR-20 only fits
42 minutes of material on a 60 minute
>tape via firewire, is there any way that my client will be able to play
back the minis on his camera?
You can't do it with a DSR-20, as it will record DVCAM on the tape, which is
not playable on miniDV camcorders. The camcorder MUST be DVCAM compatible.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:26:03 -0600
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Message-ID: <3B54671B.AE5B8E95@familydocumentaries.com>
Perry wrote:
> I got sat on the other day saying that it was unusual for non-Sony DV
> cameras to play DVCAM - turns out lots of them do it now!
> Perry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vidiot
> >I have a client that wants me to transfer old 8mm movies to mini-dv so he
> can import an edit them from his mini-dv camera. Since the DSR-20 only fits
> 42 minutes of material on a 60 minute
> >tape via firewire, is there any way that my client will be able to play
> back the minis on his camera?
>
> You can't do it with a DSR-20, as it will record DVCAM on the tape, which is
> not playable on miniDV camcorders. The camcorder MUST be DVCAM compatible.
>
Thanks all,
It definitely does not play back correctly in my XL-1. I sent the client home with a demo tape to run through his camera.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:48:46 -0400
From: "STEPHEN JOHNSON"
To:
Subject: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID:
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All I want is a stable PC-based dv editing environment ... please excuse =
my whining...
I've been attempting to use a Compaq 7000 running Windows ME with Adobe =
Premiere 6.0 (6.01), and have been getting finger pointing back and forth =
between Compaq support and Adobe support. No big surprise there, eh?
Adobe says to change the IRQ of the 1394 board so it is the only device on =
IRQ 3. Compaq says their BIOS is fixed, meaning I can't change IRQs, and =
further states that the problem is with the Adobe software addressing the =
1394 board incorrectly (my paraphrasing).
The good news is that Circuit City is allowing me to return the PC for =
full credit, even though I bought the PC in April (a long story). The =
potentially bad news is that I will be getting a store credit, and must =
find a suitable solution that is sold by Circuit City (either in-store =
stock or build-to-order).
I want to keep using Adobe Premiere 6.01 on a PC-based platform, and I =
think I'd probably be better off using Windows 2000 as opposed to Windows =
ME. I don't "need" a laptop solution, and I need at least 75gb of disk. =
Other than that, I'm open to suggestions...
Any positive experiences regarding stability with ME and Premiere 6.0 =
would be helpful, if there are any... =20
Any feedback on successes or failures in upgrading ME to 2000 would be =
appreciated... (I might have to go this route since none of the in-store =
PCs come with Windows 2000 installed. I might be able to get Windows 2000 =
on a build-to-order PC... but might that be done as an upgrade from =
Windows ME or 98 as opposed to a fresh Windows 2000 install???)=20
Any advice on Sony VAIOs or other PC-based machines that Circuit City =
sells would be helpful...
Any thoughts on the BIOS/IRQ issue would also be most appreciated...
Thanks for listening, and mega-gratitude in advance for all responses!
Steve
In search of peace in the editing world...
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All I want is a stable PC-based dv editing environment= =20 ... please excuse my whining...
I've been attempting to use a Compaq 7000 running = Windows ME=20 with Adobe Premiere 6.0 (6.01), and have been getting finger pointing back = and=20 forth between Compaq support and Adobe support. No big surprise = there,=20 eh?
Adobe says to change the IRQ of the 1394 board so it = is the=20 only device on IRQ 3. Compaq says their BIOS is fixed, = meaning I=20 can't change IRQs, and further states that the problem is with the = Adobe=20 software addressing the 1394 board incorrectly (my paraphrasing).
The good news is that Circuit City is allowing me to return the PC = for full=20 credit, even though I bought the PC in April (a long story). The=20 potentially bad news is that I will be getting a store credit, and must = find a=20 suitable solution that is sold by Circuit City (either in-store stock = or=20 build-to-order).
I want to keep using Adobe Premiere 6.01 on a PC-based platform, = and I=20 think I'd probably be better off using Windows 2000 as opposed to = Windows=20 ME. I don't "need" a laptop solution, and I need at least 75gb = of=20 disk. Other than that, I'm open to suggestions...
Any positive experiences regarding stability with ME and = Premiere 6.0=20 would be helpful, if there are any...
Any feedback on successes or failures in upgrading ME to 2000 would = be=20 appreciated... (I might have to go this route since none of=20 the in-store PCs come with Windows 2000 installed. I might = be=20 able to get Windows 2000 on a build-to-order PC... but might=20 that be done as an upgrade from Windows ME or 98 as opposed to a = fresh=20 Windows 2000 install???)
Any advice on Sony VAIOs or other PC-based machines that Circuit City = =20 sells would be helpful...
Any thoughts on the BIOS/IRQ issue would also be most appreciated...
Thanks for listening, and mega-gratitude in advance for all=20 responses!
Steve
In search of peace in the editing world...
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:54:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony DSR-20 speed?
Message-ID: <200107171654.f6HGsQM32675@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>I got sat on the other day saying that it was unusual for non-Sony DV
>cameras to play DVCAM - turns out lots of them do it now!
>Perry
Really?! I should see if my Panasonic does.
In any event, thanks for the update. The net result for the original poster
is that it needs to be checked out to so if it does or doesn't in this
situation.
MB
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:56:22 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717124920.032bb540@brillig.panix.com>
Kevin had inquired whether people who are banned from the list receive a
notice. They do, after they've been banned. They also sometimes reply.
Here's an example from an undisclosed (but expelled..) source. R-rated
material follows, send your children out to play:
>You are a complete, fucking moron. Sorry to be so profane, but I had
>e-mailed you that I did not see your cease and desist order until AFTER I
>sent my post out. What the fuck's your problem? You excused one guy whom you
>figured had sent his post out "in the crosstalk", but do not give me the
>same consideration? You're a total fucking asshole.
Tell me what I don't know .... (Of course, he wouldn't say it into my face.
At least not over an extended period ..)
(Also of course, he immediately resubscribed under another address. To save
him undue exposure from anal morons, that sub was also removed.)
BS. DV-L FM&AH.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:03:59 -0400
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A4AE7B38@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Any feedback on successes or failures in upgrading ME to 2000 would be
appreciated... (I might have to go this route since none of the in-store
PCs come with Windows 2000 installed. I might be able to get Windows 2000
on a build-to-order PC... but might that be done as an upgrade from Windows
ME or 98 as opposed to a fresh Windows 2000 install???)
[Crittenden, Jan] as I recall the grumbling from the back room here, Windows
2000 is the way to go. I also remember that you need to use the Windows
drivers and the IRQ thing also sounds familiar.
FWIW,
Jan
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:14:40 -0700
From: "Lone Orchard Productions"
To:
Subject: RE: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Message-ID:
I too have the Century WA lens and, to be quite honest, it seems to soften
the image quite a bit.
The XL1 image is soft enough without the WA lens having to add to it. It
seems like the image loses a LOT of detail when I put it on. Although it is
necessary for me to use it in certain situations, I stick to the 16x
whenever I can.
The Canon 3x is that good?
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen van Vuuren [mailto:stephen@xiveren.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:39 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
I love my 3X lens - I might even admit to sleeping with it at night...
Seriously, it has rock solid optical quality and I shoot 95% of XL1 stuff
with it or the 14X manual (updates to these lenses should be available soon,
so you might wait before buying).
The best thing about it is that I also own the Century Wide Angle adapter.
Put this on the 3X and your get a extreme wide angle, almost a mild fisheye,
with some pleasing curving at the edges. Wonderful creative tool and hard to
achieve with other DV cams...
stephen
www.xiveren.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:22:04 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <009801c10ee5$04f8d300$6401a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
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I've had particularly good luck with Canopus DVRaptor and DVRexRT =
systems on PC platforms using Premiere 6. In all cases I've found that =
Windows 2000 is an asset. I would also recommend staying with Intel =
processors and the more ram the better with a minimum of 256M. Many of =
my sessions complete without any problems at all. Premiere still seems =
to freeze sometimes but it's not a big problem. It is advisable to save =
often. With Windows 2000 when Premiere crashes I just have to relaunch =
Premiere, the OS is still running fine. I can't remember when I had a =
crash that brought down the whole system and forced a reboot.
Walt
----- Original Message -----=20
From: STEPHEN JOHNSON=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
All I want is a stable PC-based dv editing environment ... please =
excuse my whining...
I've been attempting to use a Compaq 7000 running Windows ME with =
Adobe Premiere 6.0 (6.01), and have been getting finger pointing back =
and forth between Compaq support and Adobe support. No big surprise =
there, eh?
Adobe says to change the IRQ of the 1394 board so it is the only =
device on IRQ 3. Compaq says their BIOS is fixed, meaning I can't =
change IRQs, and further states that the problem is with the Adobe =
software addressing the 1394 board incorrectly (my paraphrasing).
The good news is that Circuit City is allowing me to return the PC for =
full credit, even though I bought the PC in April (a long story). The =
potentially bad news is that I will be getting a store credit, and must =
find a suitable solution that is sold by Circuit City (either in-store =
stock or build-to-order).
I want to keep using Adobe Premiere 6.01 on a PC-based platform, and I =
think I'd probably be better off using Windows 2000 as opposed to =
Windows ME. I don't "need" a laptop solution, and I need at least 75gb =
of disk. Other than that, I'm open to suggestions...
Any positive experiences regarding stability with ME and Premiere 6.0 =
would be helpful, if there are any... =20
Any feedback on successes or failures in upgrading ME to 2000 would be =
appreciated... (I might have to go this route since none of the =
in-store PCs come with Windows 2000 installed. I might be able to get =
Windows 2000 on a build-to-order PC... but might that be done as an =
upgrade from Windows ME or 98 as opposed to a fresh Windows 2000 =
install???)=20
Any advice on Sony VAIOs or other PC-based machines that Circuit City =
sells would be helpful...
Any thoughts on the BIOS/IRQ issue would also be most appreciated...
Thanks for listening, and mega-gratitude in advance for all responses!
Steve
In search of peace in the editing world...
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I've had particularly good luck with = Canopus=20 DVRaptor and DVRexRT systems on PC platforms using Premiere 6. In all = cases I've=20 found that Windows 2000 is an asset. I would also recommend staying with = Intel=20 processors and the more ram the better with a minimum of 256M. Many of = my=20 sessions complete without any problems at all. Premiere still seems to = freeze=20 sometimes but it's not a big problem. It is advisable to save often. = With=20 Windows 2000 when Premiere crashes I just have to relaunch Premiere, the = OS is=20 still running fine. I can't remember when I had a crash that brought = down the=20 whole system and forced a reboot.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 STEPHEN=20 JOHNSON
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 = 12:48=20 PM
Subject: Stable PC-based DV = editing=20 environment... An oxymoron???
All I want is a stable PC-based dv editing = environment=20 ... please excuse my whining...
I've been attempting to use a Compaq 7000 running = Windows ME=20 with Adobe Premiere 6.0 (6.01), and have been getting finger pointing = back and=20 forth between Compaq support and Adobe support. No big surprise = there,=20 eh?
Adobe says to change the IRQ of the 1394 board so = it is the=20 only device on IRQ 3. Compaq says their BIOS is fixed,=20 meaning I can't change IRQs, and further states that the = problem is=20 with the Adobe software addressing the 1394 board incorrectly (my=20 paraphrasing).
The good news is that Circuit City is allowing me to return the = PC for=20 full credit, even though I bought the PC in April (a long = story). The=20 potentially bad news is that I will be getting a store credit, and = must find a=20 suitable solution that is sold by Circuit City (either in-store stock = or=20 build-to-order).
I want to keep using Adobe Premiere 6.01 on a PC-based = platform, and=20 I think I'd probably be better off using Windows 2000 as opposed = to=20 Windows ME. I don't "need" a laptop solution, and I need at = least=20 75gb of disk. Other than that, I'm open to suggestions...
Any positive experiences regarding stability with ME and = Premiere=20 6.0 would be helpful, if there are any...
Any feedback on successes or failures in upgrading ME to 2000 = would be=20 appreciated... (I might have to go this route since none of=20 the in-store PCs come with Windows 2000 installed. I = might be=20 able to get Windows 2000 on a build-to-order PC... but might = that be done as an upgrade from Windows ME or 98 as opposed to a = fresh=20 Windows 2000 install???)
Any advice on Sony VAIOs or other PC-based machines that Circuit = City=20 sells would be helpful...
Any thoughts on the BIOS/IRQ issue would also be most=20 appreciated...
Thanks for listening, and mega-gratitude in advance for all=20 responses!
Steve
In search of peace in the editing world...
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:19:35 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <3B5473A7.691061CE@sympatico.ca>
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
>
> Kevin had inquired whether people who are banned from the list receive a
> notice. They do, after they've been banned. They also sometimes reply.
> Here's an example from an undisclosed (but expelled..) source. R-rated
> material follows, send your children out to play:
>
> >You are a complete, fucking moron. Sorry to be so profane, but I had
> >e-mailed you that I did not see your cease and desist order until AFTER I
> >sent my post out. What the fuck's your problem? You excused one guy whom you
> >figured had sent his post out "in the crosstalk", but do not give me the
> >same consideration? You're a total fucking asshole.
>
> Tell me what I don't know .... (Of course, he wouldn't say it into my face.
> At least not over an extended period ..)
>
> (Also of course, he immediately resubscribed under another address. To save
> him undue exposure from anal morons, that sub was also removed.)
At alt.tv.frasier I keep saying the next breakthrough sitcom on US TV
will be about the internet.
Charles
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:03:02 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717135852.03818eb0@mail.verizon.net>
>I want to keep using Adobe Premiere 6.01 on a PC-based platform, and I
>think I'd probably be better off using Windows 2000 as opposed to Windows
>ME. I don't "need" a laptop solution, and I need at least 75gb of
>disk. Other than that, I'm open to suggestions...
Bad time to be installing Win2k what with WinXP around the corner. But if
ya wanna get some work done... Consider ordering a system with a working
1394 card in it - preferably ADS Pyro.
Know also that Premiere, even though version 6 is workable, is still not
yet the friendliest OHCI NLE out there - that title is still held by Ulead MSP.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:14:07 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <018101c10eec$45717a20$4601a8c0@dev01>
Maybe there is some misinformation or misunderstanding of Windows 2000 vs.
Windows XP.
Windows XP, soon to be released, is still a consumer/home user OS.
Windows 2000 is the Professional/Corporate 'industrial strength' OS used by
businesses.
XP will have more stability than its predecessors, but will not be equal to
Win2K.
If you have or are willing to spend the $$$ to install Win2K, you will be
satisfied. XL is a question mark.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:33:00 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Message-ID:
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>I'd been keen to hear of peoples first hand experiences with the
>Canon 3:1 Widish Zoom.
>
>
>Ian Schutt
Myself, John Burkhart, and Bruce Johnson all love the Canon 3X.
jmerser
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I'd been keen to hear of peoples first hand experiences with the Canon 3:1 Widish Zoom.
Ian Schutt
Myself, John Burkhart, and Bruce Johnson all love the Canon 3X.
jmerser
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:28:13 +0100
From: Mark Grant
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <0182399E7179D211824400A0C9EA408A02C9D24D@exchuk02.3dlabs.com>
> From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
> Windows XP, soon to be released, is still a consumer/home user OS.
> Windows 2000 is the Professional/Corporate 'industrial
> strength' OS used by
> businesses.
> XP will have more stability than its predecessors, but will
> not be equal to
> Win2K.
Check out the Microsoft web site; XP is supposed to replace NT/Win2K as well
as Win98/ME, and there will be versions which run on everything from home
PCs up to 64-bit multi-CPU servers. It's a descendant of the NT/Win2K family
of operating systems, not Win95/98/ME.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:35:06 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: WinXP
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717142852.037e42a0@mail.verizon.net>
You've been misinformed.
Win2k is version 5 of Windows NT (renamed at the last moment). WinXP is the
successor to this line - essentially the next version of Win2k. Unlike the
'consumer/home' versions of windows 9x, this is a different OS entirely
(e.g. not built on a dos shell).
IOW, WinXP will have all the stability of Win2k and *more* now that
manufacturers will be *forced* to get good drivers written for it.
There's still some question about if WinXP Home will be good enough for NLE
or will we need WinXP Pro? The differences seem mostly to do with
networking as of RC1, and the price difference may be as high as $200 USD.
>Maybe there is some misinformation or misunderstanding of Windows 2000 vs.
>Windows XP.
>
>Windows XP, soon to be released, is still a consumer/home user OS.
>Windows 2000 is the Professional/Corporate 'industrial strength' OS used by
>businesses.
>
>XP will have more stability than its predecessors, but will not be equal to
>Win2K.
>
>If you have or are willing to spend the $$$ to install Win2K, you will be
>satisfied. XL is a question mark.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:36:39 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Father Superior at work. < Read or parish.
Message-ID:
>
>PS: (Funny. They read and react to every nuance of every post, don't
>miss any opportunity of waging platform war, but when someone
>screams "STOP!!!! OR DIE!!!" they suddenly read braille only, don't
>speaka da language, or develop severe computer problems..... Tsk.
>Tsk.)
>
>PPS: Favorite ploy, they try it all the time: TCO is posted, they
>absolutely have to flame back, and are (pretty much) guaranteed to
>have the last word. So they fire off another flame. And follow it
>immediately with an "Oops. Didn't see you note until after I hit
>send" Personally to me, the DV-L Grumpmeister. Nice try. Old hat.
>Doesn't work.
Bertel,
With all do respect, depending on how you have your mail system sorted, it is
possible to post to a thread that has been closed under threat of
death without knowing it. I did that
once some months back and got bounced. I appealed and you reinstated
me . . . thanks :)
The point is, not everyone is out to beat you and the system.
Mistakes can be honest ones.
There is never any reason to use the kind of language that person
used in responding
to being bounced. I am astonished that anyone would think they could
get what they
want from you by going off like that. That was totally uncalled for, but
for the sake of your own blood pressure, I would take a couple of
deep breaths and ease
up a little. I also think that if said person came and asked the
list for forgiveness,
that there would be the _possibility_ of being reinstated. In _this_ instance?
Maybe not.
j "felt the jackboots once myself" merser
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:48:12 -0600
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID:
It is my understanding that Windows XP replaces Win 2K also in its "Pro"
incarnation, besides Win 9x/ME in the "home" incarnation. So much for a
single operating system for both home and professional users, huh? How
computer companies are changing and redefining the English language and
its meanings!
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....Maybe there is some misinformation or misunderstanding of Windows
2000 vs. Windows XP.
Windows XP, soon to be released, is still a consumer/home user OS.
Windows 2000 is the Professional/Corporate 'industrial strength' OS used
by businesses.
XP will have more stability than its predecessors, but will not be equal
to Win2K.
If you have or are willing to spend the $$$ to install Win2K, you will
be satisfied. XL is a question mark.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:36:47 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <00bf01c10ef1$a7f45780$6401a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
Based on Microsoft's registration process I'm choosing to avoid XP. The next
step is for then to make you pay for the OS by the month like a utility
bill. It's time to stop supporting that kind of thinking. I'll stick with
Windows 2000 as long as possible.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Parker"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
>
> >I want to keep using Adobe Premiere 6.01 on a PC-based platform, and I
> >think I'd probably be better off using Windows 2000 as opposed to Windows
> >ME. I don't "need" a laptop solution, and I need at least 75gb of
> >disk. Other than that, I'm open to suggestions...
>
>
> Bad time to be installing Win2k what with WinXP around the corner. But if
> ya wanna get some work done... Consider ordering a system with a working
> 1394 card in it - preferably ADS Pyro.
>
> Know also that Premiere, even though version 6 is workable, is still not
> yet the friendliest OHCI NLE out there - that title is still held by Ulead
MSP.
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:24:07 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <0c3b01c10ef6$0c996e10$4601a8c0@dev01>
Misinformation... ?
Windows XP is a 64 bit (instead of 32bit) OS... in 2 distinct flavors:
Windows XP Home Edition
Windows XP Professional Edition (spell that business)
The main difference between Win2K & XP-Pro is 32bit vs. 64 bit.
Do you really think Home will be Pro with shorter wings?
While every 'home edition' OS that Microsoft has done... 95/98/98SE/ME...
has gotten better and more stable, the 1st editions have had buglets. Video
is not a nice place to be when you have buglets.
Considering Win95 to now... the home user will have had 5 OS changes in 5
years (Win95 build 950 was not out in 1995).
An OS a year... that is a scary thought from a business standpoint.
So... all you techies... rush out and buy XP. The rest of us will be busy
producing videos :-)
In a year... we'll look at XL for business use.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:27:36 -0400
From: "bullardc"
To:
Subject: Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <033e01c10ef6$894f3de0$9a0f850a@hppav>
be careful, Nigeria can be dangerous
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:39:36 EDT
From: DCARTS2000@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: 3D Carrara
Message-ID: <29.17c19717.2885ee78@aol.com>
I'm trying to find the internet address of the company that makes the 3D
program CARRARA. Can anyone help me?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:46:04 -0600
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: Warning! Soapbox! OT! Was: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID:
YES! A stable PC-based editing environment IS an oxymoron. What with
the rash of new "premature beta" products and "upgrades" being
constantly released at record speed, stability is lost to the winds. The
whole PC world has and is going "bananas", and in my opinion, only a
good dose of customers and users discovering a reality check and jumping
off of the endless and constant upgrade bandwagon for PC hardware,
operating systems, application software, etc. and/or a good tech world
recession will stop or at least slow down the madness. Progress IS good,
but today's environment of progress has companies tossing out
accountability, customer service and respect, product quality and
reliability, product documentation and manuals, etc. The PC world is
currently in the realm of "the old wild west", without any signs of "law
and order". Of course I am generalizing, as there are still some good
examples of products out there.
With so many products, I am finding that so-called "upgrades" are
actually "downgrades". In the rush to come out with "something new and
improved", features are actually removed or broken, incompatibilities
with other support products are introduced breaking them, user
interfaces are changed just for the sake of change or cosmetics, etc.
Instead of building upon the previous version, improving its
reliability, adding TRUE new features and capabilities, we get a product
that requires us to spend countless hours troubleshooting, to upgrade
all kinds of other hardware and software, etc., etc., etc. Customers and
users are locked into a constant cycle of upgrade hell if they get
sucked into it.
And to make matters worse, the PC world is trying to introduce
legislation that will make the software companies totally not
responsible for any and all damages they create and making total slaves
out of customers. Then there are the matters and issues of product
"features" such as spyware, phone home schemes, privacy invasion,
product activation schemes and lockouts, purposeful breaking of
competitors products, etc. I for one am fed up with it all and getting
off the bandwagon and spending my dollars and time at more pleasurable
activities.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:39:14 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <3B545C22.2257.29033E92@localhost>
Hi:
I'm assuming you were referring to my comments about moving
there...
> be careful, Nigeria can be dangerous
Yes, I will be very careful. The institute to which I am going has
guys riding shot-gun (literally) on its shuttle bus between Lagos
and Ibadan. Just as the US used to be....
Thanks for the kind thoughts.
Cheers
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:39:44 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <3B549480.23C3784D@sympatico.ca>
David Mowbray wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I'm assuming you were referring to my comments about moving
> there...
>
> > be careful, Nigeria can be dangerous
>
> Yes, I will be very careful. The institute to which I am going has
> guys riding shot-gun (literally) on its shuttle bus between Lagos
> and Ibadan. Just as the US used to be....
>
> Thanks for the kind thoughts.
David,
Perhaps you should plan a secondary project titled "Alamo 2".
Charles
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:55:03 -0700
From: "Bob England"
To:
Subject: Re: 3D Carrara
Message-ID:
It used to be a Metacreations product, but they sold it some time ago to
Eovia, who just last month released version 1.1 of Carrara Studio. Go to:
http://eovia.com.
Bob England
> I'm trying to find the internet address of the company that makes the 3D
> program CARRARA. Can anyone help me?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:56:12 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <3B54601C.30417.2912C795@localhost>
Charles:
> Perhaps you should plan a secondary project titled "Alamo 2".
>
>
Don't laugh. I think I'll concentrate on promoting global food
security. If people have enough to eat they are much less likely to
shoot you.
Cheers
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:57:45 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <3B5498B9.439EB100@sympatico.ca>
David Mowbray wrote:
>
> Charles:
>
> > Perhaps you should plan a secondary project titled "Alamo 2".
> >
> >
>
> Don't laugh. I think I'll concentrate on promoting global food
> security. If people have enough to eat they are much less likely to
> shoot you.
Good thinking!
Cheers,
Charles
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:11:02 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID:
Oh boy! If it's anything like it was 25 years ago it's the bus drivers you
need to be careful of! Loverly people though, and the food was 'fun'. If you
get fed up with the heat and humidity, try a weekend in Jos.
good luck
Perry
-----Original Message-----
From: David Mowbray
> be careful, Nigeria can be dangerous
Yes, I will be very careful. The institute to which I am going has
guys riding shot-gun (literally) on its shuttle bus between Lagos
and Ibadan.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:41:26 +0200
From: "Guenter Huber"
To: "DV L"
Subject: Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <006801c10f09$413cf200$67db2e3e@hs5.local>
Take care, Mr. Converter!
G
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:42:59 EDT
From: DCARTS2000@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: 3D Carrara Thankyou
Message-ID: <8a.97f1318.28860b63@aol.com>
Thankyou. This list is wonderful.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:47:33 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: WinXP
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717172852.03715bc8@mail.verizon.net>
>Misinformation... ?
>
>Windows XP is a 64 bit (instead of 32bit) OS... in 2 distinct flavors:
Yes, this is misinformation. WinXP is still a 32 bit OS. Soon there will be
expensive server versions available in both 32 and 64 bit, and there is
still dissension within MS as to whether these will be called 'Windows
2002' or 'WinXP Advanced Server' or whatever.
>Windows XP Home Edition
>Windows XP Professional Edition (spell that business)
Web or network based businesses will need the extra capabilities of the Pro
edition. But last I heard various niceties such as 2-cpu SMP will be
bundled with the Home edition so for NLE it looks like Home will do.
>The main difference between Win2K & XP-Pro is 32bit vs. 64 bit.
>Do you really think Home will be Pro with shorter wings?
RC1 is out and yes, Home is the same OS, but without all the fancy network
stuff e.g. Group Policy controls and Client Services for Netware. Note that
Home *will not* upgrade Win2k Pro - you'll need WinXP Pro or install clean.
>Considering Win95 to now... the home user will have had 5 OS changes in 5
>years (Win95 build 950 was not out in 1995).
>
>An OS a year... that is a scary thought from a business standpoint.
Only if you think technology is standing still. Maybe they could have
patched Win95 to handle things like USB and 1394, but these were things
nobody ever thought of when the OS was being written, so patches would be
second rate at best.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:04:58 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: WinXP
Message-ID: <0ca201c10f0c$8524cc10$4601a8c0@dev01>
As you say... 32 bit for home and 32/64 for pro, later.
That said, how can they have the same engine?
Standing still and updatings are different. Win95, and win98 - OK. That
makes Win98SE a 'patch' as you call it.
If XP is so near, then why ME?
It will be a long time before corporate America switches to XP Pro.
Maybe in 2 or 3 years, 30% might have migrated.
The only thing that pushed big IT shops out of Win98 over to Win98 was Y2K
and the fear that Win95 would fail. Even then only 70% were above Win95 at
the desktop.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:15:16 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior at work. < Read or parish.
Message-ID: <3B54B8F4.2790D0AE@maui.net>
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> PPS: Favorite ploy, they try it all the time: TCO is posted, they
> absolutely have to flame back, and are (pretty much) guaranteed to have the
> last word. So they fire off another flame. And follow it immediately with
> an "Oops. Didn't see you note until after I hit send" Personally to me, the
> DV-L Grumpmeister. Nice try. Old hat. Doesn't work.
>
Thanks for your diligence, Bert Baby. Hadn't heard much from you lately.
Thought you didn't care about us any more. This bunch can behave themselves only SO long.
You should jump in more often. The water's fine (particularly at Kamaole I about 8 o'clock this morning).
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:20:15 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Optional XL-1 Lenses.
Message-ID: <3B54BA1F.1C90AC58@maui.net>
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Denni Schutt wrote:
> I'd been keen to hear of peoples first hand experiences with
> the Canon 3:1 Widish Zoom. Ian Schutt
It's a beautiful lens. I use it a lot. Beats the hell out of a
wide adapter.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Denni Schutt wrote:
I'd been keen to hear of peoples first hand experiences with the Canon 3:1 Widish Zoom. Ian Schutt
It's a beautiful lens. I use it a lot. Beats the hell out of a wide adapter.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:35:39 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <3B54BDBB.904AACE7@maui.net>
Bertel Schmitt wrote (quoting a banned DVList member):
> >You excused one guy whom you
> >figured had sent his post out "in the crosstalk", but do not give me the
> >same consideration? You're a total fucking asshole.
>
I guess this qualifies you as a "perfect asshole" which, of course, is a good thing.
You'll never have hemorrhoids!
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:38:29 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <3B54BE65.A8B692A@maui.net>
"Crittenden, Jan" wrote:
> Any feedback on successes or failures in upgrading ME to 2000 would be
> appreciated... (I might have to go this route since none of the in-store
> PCs come with Windows 2000 installed. I might be able to get Windows 2000
> on a build-to-order PC... but might that be done as an upgrade from Windows
> ME or 98 as opposed to a fresh Windows 2000 install???)
>
> [Crittenden, Jan] as I recall the grumbling from the back room here, Windows
> 2000 is the way to go. I also remember that you need to use the Windows
> drivers and the IRQ thing also sounds familiar.
>
Jan's right. I would HIGHLY recommend a clean install of Windows 2000. It'll save you time in the long run.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:41:03 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <3B54BEFF.ECBE0D9E@maui.net>
C2001 wrote:
> At alt.tv.frasier I keep saying the next breakthrough sitcom on US TV
> will be about the internet.
>
The DVList is already better than any sitcom I've seen on TV in recent years.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:43:59 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <3B54BFAF.49536446@maui.net>
Clesson Duke wrote:
> Maybe there is some misinformation or misunderstanding of Windows 2000 vs.
> Windows XP.
>
> Windows XP, soon to be released, is still a consumer/home user OS.
> Windows 2000 is the Professional/Corporate 'industrial strength' OS used by
> businesses.
>
> XP will have more stability than its predecessors, but will not be equal to
> Win2K.
>
I certainly wouldn't wait on XP. Windows 2000 is the way to go.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:38:35 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior at work. < Read or parish.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717183710.03543880@brillig.panix.com>
At 12:15 PM 7/17/2001 -1000, you wrote:
>You should jump in more often. The water's fine (particularly at Kamaole I
>about 8 o'clock this morning).
Ah, I jump in alot these days. New boat and low tide: Time to push.
Shinnecock ain't no Lahaina, but it's water, brah.
B.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:42:17 -0500
From: Russ Coffman
To:
Subject: Re: 3D Carrara Thankyou
Message-ID:
DCARTS2000@aol.com:
> Thankyou. This list is wonderful.
I just ordered Carrara 1.1 when I discovered that past Infini-D owners could
buy it for only $149! I read lots of negative reviews about 1.0 being "a
great start but too buggy to finish a project" (paraphrasing/summarizing),
but Eovia's 1.1 hype is "Knowing that it is the most wanted feature, we have
spent 100% of our times to work on Carrara stability. The result is nearly
100 major bug fixes." Does that mean no new features in 1.1? :)
So what's the verdict on Carrara, anyone? I figured if the "major" bugs are
fixed (but what about the rest?), I couldn't go too far wrong for $149, but
then all I need right now is 3D text & flying logos etc., not Final Fantasy
II.
Russ Coffman
http://www.macadillo.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:44:26 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Stable PC-based DV editing environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <0d0901c10f12$087d4560$4601a8c0@dev01>
'Tis all we run.
YUP... W2K :-)
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:32:35 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <3B54CB13.B1F8F73D@sympatico.ca>
Jon Burkhart wrote:
>
> Bertel Schmitt wrote (quoting a banned DVList member):
>
> > >You excused one guy whom you
> > >figured had sent his post out "in the crosstalk", but do not give me the
> > >same consideration? You're a total fucking asshole.
> >
>
> I guess this qualifies you as a "perfect asshole" which, of course, is a good thing.
> You'll never have hemorrhoids!
>
> Aloha,
Sounds like a possible line from "Seinfeld".
Charles
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:53:10 -0700
From:
To:
Subject: Pal to Ntsc pseudo telecine
Message-ID: <000f01c10f1b$a2cf1ae0$7f241f18@we.mediaone.net>
If I shoot video on say, a PAL XL-1 in Frame mode at 25fps, input and edit
it on my computer (in my case on Vegas Video), What is the best way to get
it out and onto a VHS tape, and retain the close-to-24fps-film-look. I
usually shoot film, and wonder if there is some kind of 3-2 pulldown type of
thing, some field interpolation to achieve this. The goal of course for me
is that fluidity, which I assume is associated whith motion blur. I like the
30fps Frame mode on the XL-1, even at the expense of the vertical
resolution. I have read postings on shooting in interlace, and adjusting the
fields to achieve a kind of progressive look but I'm not sure how to do it.
What do Y'all think?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:57:53 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <3B54D101.9E9EF435@sympatico.ca>
Jon Burkhart wrote:
> C2001 wrote:
>
> > At alt.tv.frasier I keep saying the next breakthrough sitcom on US TV
> > will be about the internet.
>
> The DVList is already better than any sitcom I've seen on TV in recent years.
I guess you weren't subscribing to rec.video.production when Bill
Farnsworth and Bill Conduit were at each other full throttle a few years
back (yours truly finally persuaded the former to plonk the latter [who
wrote nutbar hai-kus, loaded with technicial misinformation (he once
described a video format as "somewhat U-matic")]), or about a year ago
when everyone jumped on some kid asking for tips about lighting a porno
shoot.
As I recall, during the latter thread someone said the group was
*infinitely* more fun than anything at Comedy Central.
It's no coincidence that several of the show's producers, writers and
even one of the casting supervisors have reguarly posted at
alt.tv.frasier. And sometimes even _they_ get emeshed in feuds and
flamewars with trolls and nutters.
Only a few weeks ago at ATF, when one of the more controversial posters
from about three years ago resurfaced, David Lee, one of the show's
creative producers, asked if *anyone* "has more fun than we do at
ATF?". He said the group was like a southern gothic novel, complete
with ghosts from the past, long-lost cousins, and never-resolved
questions (ie, gossip about the actors' sex lives) resurfacing.
If not a TV sitcom, there's a Robert Altmann movie in waiting IMO (sort
of "M*A*S*H" meets "Dr. Strangelove", but everyone is online until only
'A.I.' robots are left).
Charles
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:15:22 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: WinXP
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717200427.037d6af0@mail.verizon.net>
>As you say... 32 bit for home and 32/64 for pro, later.
>
>That said, how can they have the same engine?
All OS's consist of various commands, modules, libraries, etc. These can be
interchanged to configure different versions. But the basic 'kernel' is the
same. Recompiling the 32 bit version for 64 bit operation probably isn't
_too_ difficult, but I'm not a windows programmer.
>Standing still and updatings are different. Win95, and win98 - OK. That
>makes Win98SE a 'patch' as you call it.
>If XP is so near, then why ME?
XP is on schedule for release on 10/25/01. It will be available on
pre-configured machines a month or so before that. WinME is just an updated
Win98SE and is the last of the Win9x line. Thank God.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:57:14 -0400
From: djf
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: videoguy@concentric.net
Message-ID: <4gl9lt8f6aon22aagto23ctcp141n4trjg@4ax.com>
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:24:54 +0200, you wrote:
>DJF, your explanations are not bad, but this one simply is BS. Virtually=
EVERY Sony VAIO (including the very first 1998 302 VAIO tower) is =
OHCI!!! The only exception I know of is one of the first 1999 VAIO =
laptops (737 e.g.)!
If you say so. I wonder why this:
--begin quote
Unable to Capture Video in Premiere 6.0 on Sony VAIO Computer
Issue=20
When you try to capture video in Adobe Premiere 6.0 on a Sony VAIO =
computer
in Windows 98SE or Windows Me, Premiere returns one of the following
errors:
-- "Unable to connect to capture driver."=20
-- "No DV device available."
Detail
You cannot switch from the Sony DV class driver to the Microsoft DV class
driver in the SonySwitcher.
Solutions=20
Do one of the following:
[snip for bandwidth - see: =
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/2901e.htm]
--end quote
is prominent [#1] in the Adobe Premiere Knowledge Base when you enter =
"Sony
VAIO" as a search term? It's what *I* had to do to get device control =
and
capture in version 6.0 and 5.1c. I musta been dreaming :) If the Sony =
DV
driver is OHCI then 'OHCI' isn't all that standard a 'standard', IMHO. =
Or
is the MS DV driver 'non' OHCI? Never bothered to check once I got the
switch (software switch, BTW, in case that wasn't obvious).
>And you shouldn=B4t intimidate people by making it look more complcated =
and twisted than it is. Odds today are that it is Plug and Play. =
Verbally.
I'm assuming this is all in your humble opinion. I wasn't trying to
'intimidate' (in text?) anyone. All I did was explain what worked on my
system (PCG-F390, PIII 500Mhz, iLink, Win98SE, Adobe Premiere 5.1c and =
6.0
full versions, AE 5.0, MCP Production bundle, 80 Gb of Firewire HD online
purchased 3/2000) etc. etc. etc.)
TMB, if I intimidated you, I apologize. Email me, if need be.
>TMB,
>with all the current VAIOs you can capture from within (supplied) =
Premiere (5.1) through a Sony supplied driver. No need to (s)witch or do =
any other witchcraft. Especially Sony.
Not mine, I'm afraid. Glad you had no problems.
Just to reiterate: if you (I) use DVGate Motion to capture, all is well =
as
is. If you (I) need to use batch capture from within Premiere - any full
version I have tried [I admit I never bothered with the LE "Limited
Edition" that came with the laptop] - you (I) ~must~ switch to the MS DV
driver.
>Owner of a 737 and Z600 (Z505 in USA) laptops and 302 tower
>Cheers
>G=FCnter
Mit Freundlichkeit,
Dirk John Fischer
Educational Technology Consultant
Owner of above VAIO plus a Linux network, an Ethernetwork [I Want
Wideband!], a Mac lab, an Intel lab, and soon a new video server in our
'almost ready' digital master control room just across the hallway :)
WNEO/WEAO - PBS 45 & 49
Northeastern Educational Television of Ohio, Inc.
1750 Campus Center Dr.
Kent, Ohio 44240-5191
(330) 677-4549 xtn 125 voice
(330) 672-7995 fax
http://wneo.org/
http://www.ch4549.org/
dirk@wneo.org
Dirk_Fischer@WNEO.pbs.org
dfischer@neo.rr.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:14:36 -0400
From: "Elie"
To:
Subject: Re: WinXP
Message-ID: <000f01c10f27$02ccc540$6401a8c0@mtnk1.on.home.com>
I completely agree, thank god Win9x is over!
However, WinXP will not arrive bug free, Microsoft will probably get it
right after a few Service packs as usual :-)
Note: that according to Anandtech's review of WinXP, that the performance
was 20-25% slower than Win2K.
Check his review here..
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1501
I wonder what Microsoft is up to?
Regards
Elie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Parker"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: WinXP
>
> >As you say... 32 bit for home and 32/64 for pro, later.
> >
> >That said, how can they have the same engine?
>
>
> All OS's consist of various commands, modules, libraries, etc. These can
be
> interchanged to configure different versions. But the basic 'kernel' is
the
> same. Recompiling the 32 bit version for 64 bit operation probably isn't
> _too_ difficult, but I'm not a windows programmer.
>
>
> >Standing still and updatings are different. Win95, and win98 - OK. That
> >makes Win98SE a 'patch' as you call it.
> >If XP is so near, then why ME?
>
>
> XP is on schedule for release on 10/25/01. It will be available on
> pre-configured machines a month or so before that. WinME is just an
updated
> Win98SE and is the last of the Win9x line. Thank God.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:02:54 -0400
From: djf
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <73r9ltssr3isgog1dfkv0tifrg1hag22ns@4ax.com>
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:41:03 -1000, you wrote:
>C2001 wrote:
>
>> At alt.tv.frasier I keep saying the next breakthrough sitcom on US TV
>> will be about the internet.
>
>The DVList is already better than any sitcom I've seen on TV in recent =
years.
Another good UseNet sitcom is alt.religion.scientology - the only flame =
war
being fought with real casualties :(
After 22 years at an ABC affiliate - and now at PBS - I have to admit =
that
the Net, especially UseNet, is my preferred pastime.
>Aloha,
>Jon Burkhart
Dirk John Fischer
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:03:53 -0500
From: Irwin Poche
To:
Subject: A field issue ?
Message-ID:
I am constructing am opening sequence (FCP 2.0) that includes reduced
(42.97%) clips zipping across the screen from left to right.
When the results of hi quality render are viewed at 100% on the monitor
there is a definite "ghosting" of the leading and trailing edges of the
clip. When stopped I see alternating lines of the raster indented by seven
pixels. The alternating is not exactly one for one. There are three
correct lines followed by 10 lines in which every other line is indented. I
see this only in reduced clips moving across the screen. The background
clip and text look fine. Faster motion produces more indentation
This looks like a field issue. But I've verified that the Item Property of
every clip and all the text items are set to Lower(Even).
I appreciate any suggestions that anyone may have.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:26:06 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <3B54F3BE.A851ED5E@sympatico.ca>
djf wrote:
>
> >C2001 wrote:
> >
> >> At alt.tv.frasier I keep saying the next breakthrough sitcom on US TV
> >> will be about the internet.
> >
> >The DVList is already better than any sitcom I've seen on TV in recent years.
>
> Another good UseNet sitcom is alt.religion.scientology - the only flame war
> being fought with real casualties :(
>
> After 22 years at an ABC affiliate - and now at PBS - I have to admit that
> the Net, especially UseNet, is my preferred pastime.
Tell me. I just finished a numbing two hours-plus watching the DVD of
"Candy" -- a movie so appallingly bad it defies description.
Needed to check my email and NGs **fast** -- to get back to reality...
Charles
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:41:04 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: A field issue ?
Message-ID: <3B54F740.264B138E@pacbell.net>
Irwin Poche wrote:
>
> I am constructing am opening sequence (FCP 2.0) that includes reduced
> (42.97%) clips zipping across the screen from left to right.
>
> When the results of hi quality render are viewed at 100% on the monitor
> there is a definite "ghosting" of the leading and trailing edges of the
> clip. When stopped I see alternating lines of the raster indented by seven
> pixels. The alternating is not exactly one for one. There are three
> correct lines followed by 10 lines in which every other line is indented. I
> see this only in reduced clips moving across the screen. The background
> clip and text look fine. Faster motion produces more indentation
>
> This looks like a field issue. But I've verified that the Item Property of
> every clip and all the text items are set to Lower(Even).
>
> I appreciate any suggestions that anyone may have.
This sounds like motion blur, which I think is a good thing since it
makes video look more filmlike and less electronic.
I could be wrong, it would be nice to see a frame of the offending video
to properly analyze it.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:18:40 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Father Superior & the perils of TCOs
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717231658.020949f0@brillig.panix.com>
At 12:35 PM 7/17/01 -1000, Jon wrote:
>I guess this qualifies you as a "perfect asshole" which, of course, is a
>good thing.
>You'll never have hemorrhoids!
And even in that regard the guy is full of lies. I am (full disclosure mode
on) far from it.
BS. DV-L NPFA.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:08:22 -0600
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: WinXP
Message-ID:
At least the Win9x operating systems are now "stable" products and no
longer moving targets for software developers to write software for, HA!
"Service Packs" are another Microsoft play on words that mess around
with the English language, when they should be called for what they
really are, bug fixes or patches, HA! Soon Microsoft will have everybody
willing to fall at their feet, paying for subscriptions to get their
daily dose of bug fixes, patches, security hole closures, product
activation codes, etc., etc., etc. LOL! Sort of sounds like drug addicts
needing to get their daily "fixes" from their dealer, doesn't it?
At this point in time, I am quite content to just stick with my Pentium
III 933 system running Windows 98 Second Edition, Premiere 5.1c, and a
Canopus DVRaptor along with a lot of other software that works very well
on it. I now just return any software products or upgrades that will not
work with it because their developers were trying to keep up with
"Microsoft's OS of the month club". Microsoft will have a hard time
prying any more bucks out of my pocket for a long time to come, unless
they can finally come up with some very compelling reason for me to let
loose of my bucks. After the fourth service pack for Windows NT, I
jumped off the Microsoft's "OS of the month club", got rid of multiple
OS booting, stuck with Windows 98 Second Edition which ran the best with
my applications, and started getting a lot of work done.
When the time comes that I find it compelling to upgrade my video
production capabilities, I will probably buy or build a whole completely
new system from scratch, hardware, OS, and software apps, with whatever
proves to be the best combination at that time. In the meantime, I will
be content to bring in money from video production work instead of dole
out money for the latest hot new this or that which probably is full of
problems and compatibility issues.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
From: Elie [mailto:ezakaria@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:15 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: WinXP
I completely agree, thank god Win9x is over! However, WinXP will not
arrive bug free, Microsoft will probably get it right after a few
Service packs as usual :-)
Note: that according to Anandtech's review of WinXP, that the
performance was 20-25% slower than Win2K. Check his review here..
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1501
I wonder what Microsoft is up to?
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:16:31 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Not that y'all will miss me, but...
Message-ID: <3B54E36F.21026.2B13D91B@localhost>
Friends:
In response to the kind wishes from good folk like Guenter (quoted
below) and Charles and Perry etc.
> Take care, Mr. Converter!
> G
I just want to point out that this thread was started by Bruce
Johnson, who is travelling with some students to West Africa and
we do miss him.. but he will be back soon.
My new odyssey in Nigeria doesn't begin until October and I intend
to stay on the list from there. I will continue to develop and support
DV Converter as well in my spare time. Thank you all.
Cheers
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:28:42 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Warning! Soapbox! OT! Was: Stable PC-based DV editing
environment... An oxymoron???
Message-ID: <3B551E8A.F3BB9B99@golden.net>
amen
"Richard H. Heeren" wrote:
>
> YES! A stable PC-based editing environment IS an oxymoron. What with
> the rash of new "premature beta" products and "upgrades" being
> constantly released at record speed, stability is lost to the winds. The
> whole PC world has and is going "bananas", and in my opinion, only a
> good dose of customers and users discovering a reality check and jumping
> off of the endless and constant upgrade bandwagon for PC hardware,
> operating systems, application software, etc. and/or a good tech world
> recession will stop or at least slow down the madness. Progress IS good,
> but today's environment of progress has companies tossing out
> accountability, customer service and respect, product quality and
> reliability, product documentation and manuals, etc. The PC world is
> currently in the realm of "the old wild west", without any signs of "law
> and order". Of course I am generalizing, as there are still some good
> examples of products out there.
> With so many products, I am finding that so-called "upgrades" are
> actually "downgrades". In the rush to come out with "something new and
> improved", features are actually removed or broken, incompatibilities
> with other support products are introduced breaking them, user
> interfaces are changed just for the sake of change or cosmetics, etc.
> Instead of building upon the previous version, improving its
> reliability, adding TRUE new features and capabilities, we get a product
> that requires us to spend countless hours troubleshooting, to upgrade
> all kinds of other hardware and software, etc., etc., etc. Customers and
> users are locked into a constant cycle of upgrade hell if they get
> sucked into it.
> And to make matters worse, the PC world is trying to introduce
> legislation that will make the software companies totally not
> responsible for any and all damages they create and making total slaves
> out of customers. Then there are the matters and issues of product
> "features" such as spyware, phone home schemes, privacy invasion,
> product activation schemes and lockouts, purposeful breaking of
> competitors products, etc. I for one am fed up with it all and getting
> off the bandwagon and spending my dollars and time at more pleasurable
> activities.
>
> Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
> Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
>
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Corporate Video / Documentary TV / 3D Animation / Webdesign
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