DV-L Fri, 27 Jul 2001 Volume 1 : Number 929
In this issue:
RE: Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Re: "Disguising" voices
Re: Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Re: Ken Bell
Re: firewire drive data: mac/pc
Re: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
RE: Non-Realtime Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Round Ireland with a power brick...
Re: Ken Bell
Re: Dual monitor editing problem
SV: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
RE: "Disguising" voices
The Slowest Purchase
MPEG Editing and Encoding Questions
RE: Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
Extensions Manager/Conflicts with Final Cut Pro
seeking quick favor from fellow digest subscriber
RE: Non-Realtime Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Radiohead's new video shot on a PC-7
Re: SV: "Disguising" voices
New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Re: Ken Bell
Re: Extensions Manager/Conflicts with Final Cut Pro
dv camera with audio "in"
Re: dv camera with audio "in"
Re: Dual monitor editing problem
RE: Non-Realtime Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
RE: Dual monitor editing problem
Re: dv camera with audio "in"
RE: Dual monitor editing problem
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Re: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
Computer Freezes everytime I begin working with Final Cut Pro
Re: "Disguising" voices
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Re: Computer Freezes everytime I begin working with Final Cut Pro
Re: Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Re: seeking quick favor from fellow digest subscriber
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
INFO: New Training Products
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Re: Extensions Manager/Conflicts with Final Cut Pro
RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Bleach bypass look
Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
SCOOP! Wilt caught in Love Tryst with Rule Breakers
RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
RE: Dual monitor editing problem
Re: SCOOP! Wilt caught in Love Tryst with Rule Breakers
Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:02:29 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Message-ID:
Everything John said is true of realtime conversion boxes. Non realtime is a
completely different matter and After Effects can do a 'close to Alchemist'
job in the right hands!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jackman
Conversion between PAL and NTSC is a technical nightmare, doing it well is
very complex.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:22:33 +0100
From: "Gustaaf"
To:
Subject: Re: "Disguising" voices
Message-ID: <009601bff70c$f0765ba0$9600000a@Degeneraal.degeneraal.com>
Hi Mark,
I use a cheap Soundblaster Live Player, it does all the effects you want in
real time. And I think they are not so easy to reverse engineer as a pitch
shift. Hope this helps,
Gr. Gustaaf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Wang"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: "Disguising" voices
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:29:34 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Message-ID:
>SNIP
>
>Mr White was asking about access to a Snell & Wilcox Alchemist which
>(depending on options) runs way over $100,000 and includes
>sophisticated motion correction.
>SNIP
>Conversion between PAL and NTSC is a technical nightmare, doing it
>well is very complex.
>
I have to agree here. I went and looked at the canopus converter.
The NTSC to PAL conversion stretched the
image so bad that the person's normal hair cut turned into a greaser's "do."
His forehead looked like El Capitain! (Boy, I wish I was in Yosemite.)
It avoid looking _really_ half baked, it would be worth shelling out
the money to the
people who own an Alchemist IMO.
j "you get what you pay for" merser
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:25 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ken Bell
Message-ID:
>Gospodin Alexei:
>
>Ken Bell thinks he has been kicked out. See below. I told him I
>didn't kick him. Did you? Don't think so.
>
>B.
I hope you would see it in your heart to let him back on.
Just my opinion,
jmerser
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:23:21 -0400
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: firewire drive data: mac/pc
Message-ID:
A program like MacDrive2000 should allow the windows machine to see
the mac formatted drive. You may have to add the .mov extension to
the video files so that avid will know that they are quicktimes.
Good Luck
DP
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:33:12 -0700
From: Mark Wade
To:
Subject: Re: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
Message-ID:
According to Supervideo, it's the Pana MX, which Panasonic USA is not
selling. Here's a link to get you started.
http://www.supervideo.com/panason.htm
> From: kabbage
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:35:39 -0700
> To:
> Subject: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
>
> Anyone know what the smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder in the world is? I believe
> it is a japan-only model but I can't find the latest/smallest camera on any
> sites that I have been searching.
>
> - kabbage
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:38:49 -0400
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Non-Realtime Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Message-ID:
>Everything John said is true of realtime conversion boxes. Non >realtime is
>a completely different matter and After Effects can do a 'close to
>Alchemist'job in the right hands!
I would like to experiment with using AE or FCP to convert between PAL/NTSC.
We get several foreign exchange students every year that want to use their
own camcorders and edit in PAL. We have DSR-11s so that isn't a big problem,
but when it comes time for the student exhibition, we have no way to compile
their videos along with the NTSC majority. Any basic formulas/hints that
anyone is willing to share would be appreciated greatly. Perry? :)
Thanks Much,
DP
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:40:30 -0700
From: "Joseph Karr O'Connor"
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Round Ireland with a power brick...
Message-ID: <3B602BDE.FDD1C24F@blacktelephone.com>
I'll be off on the 5:15 to Dublin today. Unsubscribing now. Will rejoin
again soon. Thanks very much for tips and tricks of shooting in Ireland.
I'm packing lots of tape and hope to get some great stuff.
Thanks,
Joseph
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:50:56 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ken Bell
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726105015.0415cec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 09:32 AM 7/26/2001 -0400, jmerser wrote:
>I hope you would see it in your heart to let him back on.\
I checked and he was on the active member rolls. Twice.
BS
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:53:31 -0400
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Dual monitor editing problem
Message-ID:
The Matrox 450 May or May not support Dual Monitors properly in WIN NT
It Does in Win 2K
There are newer drivers on the MATROX website. Some of the CD drivers are
older than the ones developed for Win NT.
The 450 Operates in 3 DUAL MONITOR MODES (selectable on the settings tab
once the drivers are loaded) You may need to re-boot after selecting the
mode
Matrox calls them : Dual Head, Clone, and DVD-Max modes
The Matrox website is great . As long as its not Friday 5pm to Monday 9am,
posting your issue there, someone will respond dirctly to you from matrox
withing a few hours and continue to help you till its fixed
Dany
>
>I cannot speak to W2K but as far as I understand in
>WinNT this is a 'feature'. And as such, one without a
>setting adjustment. : (
>
>Joel Dubya
>
>--- Eric Bin wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 11:09 PM, Rich Rosen
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have a Matrox G450 card. When I attached a
> > second monitor, many windows
> > > within Premiere and other programs pop up half in
> > the right monitor and
> > > half in the left. In other words, in the "middle"
> > of the dual screen. I
> > > then need to drag the window to either side to see
> > it all. Is there a
> > > setting I'm missing? I have the latest drivers.
> > This half and half thing
> > > is very annoying.
> >
> > This is with W2K I assume? IIRC in your monitor
> > properties/settings you
> > can go into the advanced settings and choose
> > Dual-Head Multi-display under
> > the Dual Head menu. This will, assuming you are
> > using recent drivers,
> > cause W2K to treat your card as two videos cards and
> > thus as two monitors.
> >
> > This should solve your problem - menus should appear
> > in the primary monitor
> > now.
> >
> > (Others can correct me if I am wrong on this)
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Eric.
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:04:18 +0200
From: "LRTV"
To:
Subject: SV: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
Message-ID:
Hi all,
that would be the NV-MX300. 3CCD, megapixel, manual audio,
LCD, optical steadyshot, Leica lens, DV in/out, analog in/out
and lots more. One sad thing is that changing tape is done
in bottom so one have to take of tripodplate or XLR box (or both).
Really good pictures, even if I like PD150/VX2000 better. Sound
is better then PD150/VX2000. It's not that much smaller then
PD100. Oh, I almost forgot: since it is megapixel (and megapixel
seems to take a lot of light) it is not that good in low light,
it's better then most other megapixelcameras I've tried
PC100/PC110/TRV20, but worse then GL1 (XM1), XL1, PD150/VX2000.
Cheers,
Robert Lindqvist
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:19:07 -0400
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726105839.036b55a0@brillig.panix.com>
Since the Bell issue was inadvertently dragged out in the open, here's the
wrap:
- He was subscribed all along
- He received posts
- He could not post because he received a "relaying not allowed" err.
Cause: Because of spam and DOS attacks, more and more ISPs close their
previously wide open SMTP relays (host used for outgoing mail). They allow
you through with the email address you registered with THEM, but not with
another email address. Some take other precautions. (Such as you must check
your mail first, which requires a password/login, then the SMTP relay stays
open for you for a while.) Since there are other schemes, you should
inquire w/ your ISP when you get the msg. The "relaying not allowed" msg is
a msg from your ISP.
REMEMBER: If you receive posts, then you are subscribed. We have no "read
Only" status (although sometimes I wish there were one ...)
Let's say you are subscribed as jdoe@rapid.net . Rapid.net goes belly-up.
You switch ISPs. Previously, you could go on using jdoe@rapid.net to post
(receiving would be another issue if the IPS is dead ...). But now you use
a new ISP with a "hardened" SMTP relay. For them you are
jdoe@spankingnew.net and you must use that email address to get through
their relay. Because the DV-L list doesn't know you yet under that new
address, you must enter a new subscription as jdoe@spankingnew.net - and if
you can't unsub jdoe@rapid.net (it will, in most cases, be unsubbed
automatically if the mail bounces), then send either Alexei or me a note
and we do it by hand.
BS. DV-L Forensic Team.
PS: Don't assume big bad BS unsubbed you because he didn't like what you've
said. Truth is that I don't read all the posts. Truth is that most TCOs
(Thread Closed Orders) are caused by subscribers complaining. Truth is that
the number of unsubscriptions can be counted on one hand in any given year.
Truth is, perps usually know exactly when and why they haven been shown the
door... If you haven't grossly ignored a TCO, and you can't post, then I
would suspect the vbagaries of email first and punitive action maybe fifth.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:09:03 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: "Disguising" voices
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010726080733.00ac9240@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 09:34 PM 7/25/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Be careful that your effect can't be reverse-engineered. Someone could
>always pitch-shift it back up...
Someone attempting this would have to have a voice sample of the original
to be remotely successful in this type of endeavor. Could be done but
there would have to be a powerful incentive in order to put all the pieces
in motion.
Andy
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:42:47
From: "mensa babe"
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: The Slowest Purchase
Message-ID:
Hi all,
Could someone please resend me digest #927 (July 25)
I received my usual copy, but the darnest thing, it would never open (it
would get stuck halfway while downloading from hotmail). So I never got to
see all the replies to "The Slowest Purchase" posting of mine, only today's
digest which shows that the topic somehow created a platform war- wondered
how that happened. Alternately, maybe those who posted can e-mail their
replies to me privately.
thanks!
MB
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:47:02 -0400
From: Kevin O'Hanlon
To: DV-L
Subject: MPEG Editing and Encoding Questions
Message-ID:
Hi list,
Trying to educate myself on some video compression fundamentals, so
I figured I'd throw my inquiries into the mix.
I am trying to use MPEGs, compressed by the Heuris codec, for broadcast on
the web. My questions are these:
EDITING:
1 Is anyone aware of software which can edit MPEGS. I have Final Cut Pro
but have had no success in importing the MPEG. I've matched the sequence
settings but still I need to render extensively. I also lose the sound -
mused video and audio channels. Is QT Pro the way to go to edit? If I need
to make some adjustments - some simple cuts - how would I lay back in a
music track.
CONVERSION:
1. When I try to convert the MPEG in Media Cleaner Pr to web friendly
formats - Real, QuickTime and windows Media Player - I also lose the sound.
Is there away around this, a demuxing software I should use in advancer of
re-encoding, or a setting within MCP that will retain the sound.
2. Would I keep the sound separate and resin it after re-encoding. What
software would I use for that?
3. Can anyone point me towards a site where I might research further the
best method of converting MPEGS to other formats which might give me a here
to there procedure.
Many thanks and warm regards,
K.
----------------
Kevin O'Hanlon
Videographer/Director
119 East 60th Street
New York, New York 10022
212.319.6135
917.626-6356
Fax: 419.828.5735
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:12:23 +0200
From: "Fox"
To:
Subject: RE: Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
Message-ID:
I will also add that since 3 months we are facing a lot of "relaying not
allowed" error due to technical problem on ISPs, which I think is due to
capacity planning.
These issues disappear within a week and reappear and so on.
Fox
-----Message d'origine-----
De : dv-l-request@dvcentral.org [mailto:dv-l-request@dvcentral.org]De la
part de Bertel Schmitt
Envoye : jeudi 26 juillet 2001 17:19
A : DV-L@dvcentral.org
Objet : Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
Since the Bell issue was inadvertently dragged out in the open, here's the
wrap:
- He was subscribed all along
- He received posts
- He could not post because he received a "relaying not allowed" err.
Cause: Because of spam and DOS attacks, more and more ISPs close their
previously wide open SMTP relays (host used for outgoing mail). They allow
you through with the email address you registered with THEM, but not with
another email address. Some take other precautions. (Such as you must check
your mail first, which requires a password/login, then the SMTP relay stays
open for you for a while.) Since there are other schemes, you should
inquire w/ your ISP when you get the msg. The "relaying not allowed" msg is
a msg from your ISP.
REMEMBER: If you receive posts, then you are subscribed. We have no "read
Only" status (although sometimes I wish there were one ...)
Let's say you are subscribed as jdoe@rapid.net . Rapid.net goes belly-up.
You switch ISPs. Previously, you could go on using jdoe@rapid.net to post
(receiving would be another issue if the IPS is dead ...). But now you use
a new ISP with a "hardened" SMTP relay. For them you are
jdoe@spankingnew.net and you must use that email address to get through
their relay. Because the DV-L list doesn't know you yet under that new
address, you must enter a new subscription as jdoe@spankingnew.net - and if
you can't unsub jdoe@rapid.net (it will, in most cases, be unsubbed
automatically if the mail bounces), then send either Alexei or me a note
and we do it by hand.
BS. DV-L Forensic Team.
PS: Don't assume big bad BS unsubbed you because he didn't like what you've
said. Truth is that I don't read all the posts. Truth is that most TCOs
(Thread Closed Orders) are caused by subscribers complaining. Truth is that
the number of unsubscriptions can be counted on one hand in any given year.
Truth is, perps usually know exactly when and why they haven been shown the
door... If you haven't grossly ignored a TCO, and you can't post, then I
would suspect the vbagaries of email first and punitive action maybe fifth.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:14:51 EDT
From: Scott10346@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Extensions Manager/Conflicts with Final Cut Pro
Message-ID:
Hi there. I have been having problems with my computer freezing when I am
in Final Cut Pro. It has been suggested to me to make a separate FCP
Extensions List with my extensions manager, but I don't know which extensions
FCP needs and which ones conflict with it and should therefore be left out.
If anyone could let me know, I would be greatly appreciative.
Thanks.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:26:06 -0500
From: Chris Hurd
To:
Subject: seeking quick favor from fellow digest subscriber
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010726112501.02789e58@dvinfo.net>
Howdy from Texas,
Somehow I got bounced from the list and had
to re-subscribe. In the aftermath it looks like I've
missed one of the daily digests. Could some other
member who receives the digest (and still has the
most recent ones on hand) please contact me off
the list? Sure appreciate it -- thanks in advance,
Apologies to the rest of the List,
Chris Hurd
San Marcos, TX
chris@mediadesign.net
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:26:48 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Non-Realtime Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Message-ID:
It's disgustingly easy really in AE:
1) Use square pixels throughout
2) De-interlace input (field interpret) but leave @ 25fps
3) Set comp to output size and frame rate (720x480, 29.97)
4) Drop PAL footage in comp
5) Change layer height to 480 (83.33%)
6) Turn on frame blending
7) Field render to DV codec
If you want to get clever you can use the Twixtor plug to do motion
interpolation but the results are rather variable (as they are with the S&W
Alchemist).
You can find an earlier recipe that works just as well at:
http://www.btinternet.com/~perrybits/convert.html
although this example is the other way around (NTSC>PAL)
Perry
-----Original Message-----
From: D P
>Everything John said is true of realtime conversion boxes. Non >realtime is
>a completely different matter and After Effects can do a 'close to
>Alchemist'job in the right hands!
I would like to experiment with using AE or FCP to convert between PAL/NTSC.
We get several foreign exchange students every year that want to use their
own camcorders and edit in PAL. We have DSR-11s so that isn't a big problem,
but when it comes time for the student exhibition, we have no way to compile
their videos along with the NTSC majority. Any basic formulas/hints that
anyone is willing to share would be appreciated greatly. Perry? :)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:34:04 -0500
From: Rick Powell
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Radiohead's new video shot on a PC-7
Message-ID:
Given the recent discovery that the Celebration was shot with a
"lowly" single CCD PC-7 it's also good to learn that Radiohead shot
their latest video with one of Sony's lightest dv cameras.
It's quite evocative: utilizing the low-rez nature of the footage to
good effect.
Check it out (this is the "medium" size QuickTime file)
http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jul/radiohead/radio_ref_100.mov
--
`````
Rick Powell
http://www.skinback.com/
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:09:33 -0400
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SV: "Disguising" voices
Message-ID:
I haven't tried this particular application, but a couple of suggestions:
1. If your software has a Ring Modulator effect, you can modulate the
voice with a sine wave or maybe with itself. There would definitely
be a strong breakpoint beyond which the voice is unintelligible.
2. Try using an Echo or Chorus filter with a very short echo time.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:07:42 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Message-ID:
Greetings,
To those who aren't interested in my apparent inability to work an Internet
Listserv after 11 years, I thought some of you might be interested in this.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=996098640
The Tiger board is cool in that it doesn't have all of the onboard stuff
that the Thunder K7 does and it won't require the insane 460watt PS as well.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
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Microsoft Certified Professionals
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:12:08 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Ken Bell
Message-ID:
>At 09:32 AM 7/26/2001 -0400, jmerser wrote:
>>I hope you would see it in your heart to let him back on.\
>
>
>I checked and he was on the active member rolls. Twice.
>
>BS
WHAT A GLUTTON! :)
j"one dv-l fills my need" merser
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:33:21 -0600
From: "Francois Camoin"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Extensions Manager/Conflicts with Final Cut Pro
Message-ID: <3B605461.F626C470@qwest.net>
Scott:
Try Extension set 9.1 Base. Works for me. FCP is notoriously sensitive
to extension conflicts.
Francois
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Allen Wesson
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: dv camera with audio "in"
Message-ID: <20010726175454.79344.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com>
I am looking for a dv or dig8 camera that will record
stereo audio through an audio input while in camera
mode. I am an amateur wedding videographer who is
making the switch to digital and have had considerable
trouble finding a consumer level camera ($700-$1400)
with this feature. I simply need to be able to insert
the stereo mix from the house sound system into the
camera to record sound while I am videotaping the
ceremony. I need this to be LINE LEVEL STEREO, and
not through an external mic input, which most cameras
seem to have. I need these cameras quickly. Please
turn me on to ANY models with this feature. Thank you
for your help with this.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:03:42 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: dv camera with audio "in"
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726135916.031f3c50@mail.verizon.net>
I can see where you're going to have trouble in that price range, and I
can't help much. But I wanted to say that we've never found it necessary to
hook into the church's sound system. And it often isn't possible anyway
with the short time we have to prepare & breakdown for weddings. Just put a
wireless in front of a speaker, and use an on-cam mixer.
And, while we capture 4 totally separate audio sources with our XL1s, we
always master to mono. Only one client in some 10 years has said stereo
mattered to him.
At 01:54 PM 7/26/2001, you wrote:
>I am looking for a dv or dig8 camera that will record
>stereo audio through an audio input while in camera
>mode. I am an amateur wedding videographer who is
>making the switch to digital and have had considerable
>trouble finding a consumer level camera ($700-$1400)
>with this feature. I simply need to be able to insert
>the stereo mix from the house sound system into the
>camera to record sound while I am videotaping the
>ceremony. I need this to be LINE LEVEL STEREO, and
>not through an external mic input, which most cameras
>seem to have. I need these cameras quickly. Please
>turn me on to ANY models with this feature. Thank you
>for your help with this.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:13:50 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: Dual monitor editing problem
Message-ID: <3B605DDE.8C6FF86C@flash.net>
> I have a Matrox G450 card. When I attached a second monitor, many =
> windows within Premiere and other programs pop up half in the right =
> monitor and half in the left. In other words, in the "middle" of the =
> dual screen. I then need to drag the window to either side to see it =
> all.
Unlike Mac OS, Windows doesn't fundamentally support multiple displays (even
in the latest versions, there's no concept of a "primary" display). Most
multi-display Windows machines have the delightful feature of
right-down-the-middle dialogs. Grrr.
> Is there a setting I'm missing? I have the latest drivers. This =
> half and half thing is very annoying.
The latest Matrox drivers do offer a setting to center dialogs on a specified
display and IIRC it works pretty well. However my dualhead NLE box is
currently unprovisioned with the second monitor due to desk-space restrictions
so I can't go ferret out exactly which settings page has the magic switch.
Poke around; it's in there somewhere. You may have to launch the settings
dialog from the PowerDesk icon in the systray; right-clicking the desktop and
selecting Properties may not show you all the possible settings.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:24:07 -0400
From: "D P"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Non-Realtime Standards Conversion (NTSC/PAL)
Message-ID:
Hi Perry.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try it ASAP.
Take Care and Thanks again!
DP
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:51:06 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: Dual monitor editing problem
Message-ID:
> Unlike Mac OS, Windows doesn't fundamentally support multiple
> displays (even
> in the latest versions, there's no concept of a "primary" display). Most
> multi-display Windows machines have the delightful feature of
> right-down-the-middle dialogs. Grrr.
This is why a lot of folks really like the Appian cards. The Hydravision
software allowed you to save all sorts of individual settings for dialog
positioning, window positioning, etc. Unfortunately, the Appian cards cost a
lot. Also, they don't necessarily support video overlay for the various
capture cards out there. We worked with Appian a few years ago to support
the Digital Origin products, not sure where they are today. I believe that
one of the inexpensive cards now has the Hydra software with it; perhaps
ATI.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Wilt [mailto:adamwilt@flash.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:14 PM
> To: DV-L
> Subject: Re: Dual monitor editing problem
>
>
> > I have a Matrox G450 card. When I attached a second monitor, many =
> > windows within Premiere and other programs pop up half in the right =
> > monitor and half in the left. In other words, in the "middle" of the =
> > dual screen. I then need to drag the window to either side to see it =
> > all.
>
> Unlike Mac OS, Windows doesn't fundamentally support multiple
> displays (even
> in the latest versions, there's no concept of a "primary" display). Most
> multi-display Windows machines have the delightful feature of
> right-down-the-middle dialogs. Grrr.
>
> > Is there a setting I'm missing? I have the latest drivers. This =
> > half and half thing is very annoying.
>
> The latest Matrox drivers do offer a setting to center dialogs on
> a specified
> display and IIRC it works pretty well. However my dualhead NLE box is
> currently unprovisioned with the second monitor due to desk-space
> restrictions
> so I can't go ferret out exactly which settings page has the magic switch.
> Poke around; it's in there somewhere. You may have to launch the settings
> dialog from the PowerDesk icon in the systray; right-clicking the
> desktop and
> selecting Properties may not show you all the possible settings.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam Wilt
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:28:46 -0400
From: Joe Maller
To:
Subject: Re: dv camera with audio "in"
Message-ID:
qverb@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am looking for a dv or dig8 camera that will record
> stereo audio through an audio input while in camera
> mode. I am an amateur wedding videographer who is
> making the switch to digital and have had considerable
> trouble finding a consumer level camera ($700-$1400)
> with this feature.
I think the most common solution to your problem is to buy a BeachTek audio
adaptor. They run about $200 but are so well-constructed they'll probably
outlast your camera.
http://www.beachtek.com/
BeachTek adaptors have two XLR inputs (switchable between Line and Mic
level) with adjustable gain. They output those feeds to the mini-plug mic
jack of most camcorders. Output can be either mono or stereo.
Most of my experience is with prosumer Sony cameras, but I've used one of
these with a few Canons as well. If your camera has a 1/8 mini mic jack, you
will most likely benefit from adding one of these to your kit.
joe maller
------------------------
http://www.joemaller.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:43:06 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: Dual monitor editing problem
Message-ID:
Although a Mac head, I do review dual monitor PC systems from time to time.
Most have indeed put the warnings 'down the middle' but I did have one
system that worked more like a Mac, except that when you WANTED a two screen
desk top like for the FASTstudioDV system I was testing, you had to manually
stretch it across.
A well designed Mac application remembers the screen layout for the next
time, although many don't (like Illustrator)and infuriatingly open a new
project window on the 'home' screen. Two of my Macs have dual screens with
the 'home' screen being smaller and used for menus, leaving the larger one
completely free for 'artwork'. Many games now recognise dual screen systems
and offer a choice of which one to use, but then again many don't! My real
pet hate though is the apps that relocate the Window back to the 'home'
screen when you click the 'fit window to screen' button.
My sole Windows machine has a single screen, but it cannot always remember
what size I need the Windows on that. It randomly tends to change some of
them occasionally!
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <20010726200058.17833.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com>
Sounds rather expensive. DVLine could probably put
together a similar system for under $5k.
--- Lone Orchard Productions
wrote:
> Canopus Ships Storm Rack
> By Erin Lauten
> July 24, 2001 12:52 PM PDT
>
> San Jose, Calif.-based Canopus Corp. has announced
> the availability of Storm
> Rack, a rack-mountable turnkey editing system based
> on the company's DVStorm
> real-time non-linear editing system. Storm Rack
> provides real-time editing,
> real-time DV and analog capture and output, MPEG
> output for DVD and Web
> streaming, and a host of 3D effects and digital
> video production tools. The
> system is powered by dual 1.2GHz AMD Athlon MP
> processors with 512MB PC2100
> DDR memory, two Canopus Spectra series 3D graphics
> cards for dual monitor
> capability, a 40GB system hard disk and a 75+GB disk
> array, and a
> DVD-ROM/CD-RW combination drive. Storm Rack enables
> editors to handle three
> streams of video, multiple moving titles and
> graphics layers, audio and
> video filters, and transitions. The system has more
> than 20 real-time
> filters, including color-correction, motion blur,
> old movie,
> picture-in-picture, chroma key, luma key and
> chrominance.
>
> "By combining high-performance AMD Athlon processors
> with the CPU-centric
> design of the DVStorm realtime NLE, we've created an
> extremely fast and
> reliable video editing workstation that delivers
> remarkable realtime
> capabilities," said Robert Sharp, vice president of
> marketing at Canopus
> Corp.
>
> Storm Rack comes with Adobe Premiere 6.0 and Canopus
> StormEdit software, as
> well as Canopus' latest advanced 3D video effects
> software plug-in, Xplode
> Professional, which includes more than 600 effects
> and advanced rendering
> and overscan handling capabilities. Storm Rack also
> comes with Storm
> Navigator cataloging software. Storm Rack can be
> purchased through Canopus
> authorized dealers and system integrators for a
> suggested retail price of
> $7,599.
>
>
> From Editorsnet.com
>
> FYI
>
> Derek
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: World's smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder???
Message-ID: <20010726200305.33407.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>
Try supervideo.com
--- kabbage wrote:
> Anyone know what the smallest 3-CCD DV camcorder in
> the world is? I believe
> it is a japan-only model but I can't find the
> latest/smallest camera on any
> sites that I have been searching.
>
> - kabbage
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:11:30 EDT
From: Scott10346@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Computer Freezes everytime I begin working with Final Cut Pro
Message-ID:
Hi there. I have a problem with my computer freezing everytime within 2-3
minutes of my beginning to work with Final Cut Pro. I have already taken all
of the following precautions but they haven't solved the problem:
-Set FCP program Ram at 140000
-Created a separate Extensions List for FCP, which is the OS 9.1 Base
list
(which is absent internet extensions, etc.)
-Put FCP on it's own partitioned half of my main Mac Harddrive
I would be very appreciative if anyone has any other ideas that I could try.
Many thanks.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:17:35 -0700
From: "Mike Falconer"
To:
Subject: Re: "Disguising" voices
Message-ID: <003401c11610$02633b30$db12693f@c381851g>
...Paul is dead...Paul is dead...
Mike Falconer
Oregon Media Services Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: "Disguising" voices
> Be careful that your effect can't be reverse-engineered. Someone could
> always pitch-shift it back up...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Stevens [mailto:astevens@ulti-media.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:03 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: "Disguising" voices
>
>
> At 03:11 AM 7/24/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi all --
> >
> >I'm working on a project that involves some interviews with people, and
> >due to confidentiality reasons, it's necessary to mask their faces and
> >their voices (make it sound robotic, or synthesized), like they do on
> >news/police shows, etc.
> >
> >I can handle the masking part with Premiere's built in effects easily
> >enough, but does anyone have some suggestions of how I might accomplish
it
> >in audio? I have Cool Edit Pro, and have played around with bandpass
> >filters, etc, but I've found it either usually makes the voice illegible,
> >or otherwise doesn't too a good enough job of altering the "unique"
> >characteristics.
>
> In Cool Edit Pro, use the time pitch change. Keep the timing the same but
> just change the pitch.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:19:45 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <012301c11610$502033a0$4601a8c0@dev01>
Maybe DVline has little or no experience in rack chassis systems... or Dual
Athlons... or major heat dissipation. There is only ONE approved vendor a
dual Athlon rack mount chassis right now. A 1U from them will cost YOU (not
the end user, because you will need to mark it up) over $2,400US... no
drives 256MB RAM, 2 cpu, no OS. 5 grand, eh?
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:53:50 -0700
From: John Hemenway
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Computer Freezes everytime I begin working with Final Cut Pro
Message-ID:
>Hi there. I have a problem with my computer freezing everytime within 2-3
>minutes of my beginning to work with Final Cut Pro. I have already taken all
>of the following precautions but they haven't solved the problem:
>
> -Set FCP program Ram at 140000
> -Created a separate Extensions List for FCP, which is the OS 9.1 Base
>list
> (which is absent internet extensions, etc.)
> -Put FCP on it's own partitioned half of my main Mac Harddrive
>
>I would be very appreciative if anyone has any other ideas that I could try.
>Many thanks.
>Scott
In order of effort involved:
Trash FCP preferences. Restart and try it.
Trash FCP prefs, Finder prefs. Restart and try it.
Run Norton DiskDoctor or TechTools to see if there is some other problem.
Reinstall FCP.
Does this happen when you are editing any project? Will it happen if
you just open FCP and start a new project? My thinking here is that
you have a corrupted file in the project or one of the preview files
is corrupted.
I find it quite stable. I have IE, FCP, Eudora, a calendar program,
and a URL mangager open now with all my extensions on. (No guts, no
glory!!) Seems to work fine.
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John Hemenway Santa Rosa Junior College
jhemenway@santarosa.edu 707/527-4748
http://www.santarosa.edu/~jhemenw
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:18:28 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Bell Aftermath < MUST READ
Message-ID: <3B608924.BE095C78@maui.net>
Bertel Schmitt wrote:
> Since there are other schemes, you should
> inquire w/ your ISP when you get the msg. The "relaying not allowed" msg is
> a msg from your ISP.
>
Humm, I got one of those "relaying not allowed" messages when trying to respond to someone posing a question on the DVList a few days ago. It's the first time I've gotten such a message.
The Reply never got sent.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:05:21 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID:
Clesson,
Actually, we sell quite a few rack chassis systems. We have the Thunder K7
inhouse right now and are finishing our testing on dual Athlon MP 1.2GHz.
$5k is probably a very good target considering the PS, the cost of the mobo,
the Registered DDR and the Rack. We'll be showing this box at WEVA in August
BTW.
As to approved vendors, well thats my certification rant which you probably
do not want to hear. Tyler Hawes is another integrator on this list who I
believe is already offering the dual Athlon system.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:20 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
>
>
> Maybe DVline has little or no experience in rack chassis
> systems... or Dual
> Athlons... or major heat dissipation. There is only ONE approved vendor a
> dual Athlon rack mount chassis right now. A 1U from them will
> cost YOU (not
> the end user, because you will need to mark it up) over $2,400US... no
> drives 256MB RAM, 2 cpu, no OS. 5 grand, eh?
> -
> Clesson Duke
> San Diego, CA USA
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:14:11 -0400
From: Kevin O'Hanlon
To:
Subject: Re: seeking quick favor from fellow digest subscriber
Message-ID:
http://www.egroups.com/messages/DV-List should have all you need.
Warm regards,
K.
----------------
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Videographer/Director
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917.626-6356
Fax: 419.828.5735
> From: Chris Hurd
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:26:06 -0500
> To:
> Subject: seeking quick favor from fellow digest subscriber
>
> Howdy from Texas,
>
> Somehow I got bounced from the list and had
> to re-subscribe. In the aftermath it looks like I've
> missed one of the daily digests. Could some other
> member who receives the digest (and still has the
> most recent ones on hand) please contact me off
> the list? Sure appreciate it -- thanks in advance,
>
> Apologies to the rest of the List,
>
> Chris Hurd
> San Marcos, TX
> chris@mediadesign.net
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:33:27 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <01e701c1161a$9ba531e0$4601a8c0@dev01>
Who's chassis are you using? Is it a 1U or 2U?
Does your 5K include the edit software, too?
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
> Clesson,
>
> Actually, we sell quite a few rack chassis systems. We have the Thunder K7
> inhouse right now and are finishing our testing on dual Athlon MP 1.2GHz.
> $5k is probably a very good target considering the PS, the cost of the
mobo,
> the Registered DDR and the Rack. We'll be showing this box at WEVA in
August
> BTW.
>
> As to approved vendors, well thats my certification rant which you
probably
> do not want to hear. Tyler Hawes is another integrator on this list who I
> believe is already offering the dual Athlon system.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Bell
> ---
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> http://www.dvline.com | Sales (800) 826-0556
> Fax (847) 556-0887 | Support (970) 622-8088
> Microsoft Certified Professionals
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:20 PM
> > To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
> >
> >
> > Maybe DVline has little or no experience in rack chassis
> > systems... or Dual
> > Athlons... or major heat dissipation. There is only ONE approved vendor
a
> > dual Athlon rack mount chassis right now. A 1U from them will
> > cost YOU (not
> > the end user, because you will need to mark it up) over $2,400US... no
> > drives 256MB RAM, 2 cpu, no OS. 5 grand, eh?
> > -
> > Clesson Duke
> > San Diego, CA USA
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:54:20 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID:
Ken is right that we already have dual AMD Athlon MP systems for DVStorm
available in a rackmount for about a month now. There's no "magic" to what
Canopus does with the StormRack that a good certified integrator can't do.
They have the same components at their disposal. The one difference is that
every single StormRack will be the exact same configuration, so they will
behave predictabley and are likely not to have many exotic issues. Also, a
note on the pricing of StormRack is that is the MSRP (or was it MAP?) that
you read. Canopus prefers that its partners not advertise a lower price, but
if you contact us we can negotiate a better price for you. I'm sure other
authorized dealers such as Ken/DVLine and others will extend the same
opportunity to you...
Tyler A. Hawes
Krysalis Productions
Web Development, Video & Animation, NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
(360) 882-7297
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth S. Bell [mailto:bellk@dvline.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:05 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Clesson,
Actually, we sell quite a few rack chassis systems. We have the Thunder K7
inhouse right now and are finishing our testing on dual Athlon MP 1.2GHz.
$5k is probably a very good target considering the PS, the cost of the mobo,
the Registered DDR and the Rack. We'll be showing this box at WEVA in August
BTW.
As to approved vendors, well thats my certification rant which you probably
do not want to hear. Tyler Hawes is another integrator on this list who I
believe is already offering the dual Athlon system.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:20 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
>
>
> Maybe DVline has little or no experience in rack chassis
> systems... or Dual
> Athlons... or major heat dissipation. There is only ONE approved vendor a
> dual Athlon rack mount chassis right now. A 1U from them will
> cost YOU (not
> the end user, because you will need to mark it up) over $2,400US... no
> drives 256MB RAM, 2 cpu, no OS. 5 grand, eh?
> -
> Clesson Duke
> San Diego, CA USA
------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:27:48 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <026c01c11622$3330f470$4601a8c0@dev01>
Just call me confused...
Is your configuration in a 1, 2 or 4U chassis?
Your web site (Krysalis link you provided) lists a Dual Athlon MP 1.2GHz
for:
Dual AMD Athlon MP 1.2GHz
$6,399*
Storm Rack (Turnkey workstation built by Canopus)
** MAP listed; please call for a custom quote.
$7,399*
Is this right or wrong? Is $6,399 more or less than $5,000?
The chassis I quoted was a 1U and approved - whether you agree with
approvals or not.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:50:31 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID:
I wasn't really trying to speak to the $5,000 target or the cost issue, just
that there are experienced integrators offering rackmount Athlon MP
solutions as well as StormRack. I'm not extolling one over the other, just
presenting the options.
I'll answer the rest of your questions in a direct e-mail so as not to clog
the list...
Thanks,
Tyler A. Hawes
Krysalis Productions
Web Development, Video & Animation, NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
(360) 882-7297
-----Original Message-----
From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:28 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Just call me confused...
Is your configuration in a 1, 2 or 4U chassis?
Your web site (Krysalis link you provided) lists a Dual Athlon MP 1.2GHz
for:
Dual AMD Athlon MP 1.2GHz
$6,399*
Storm Rack (Turnkey workstation built by Canopus)
** MAP listed; please call for a custom quote.
$7,399*
Is this right or wrong? Is $6,399 more or less than $5,000?
The chassis I quoted was a 1U and approved - whether you agree with
approvals or not.
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:13:37 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <028e01c11628$9b12d490$4601a8c0@dev01>
That's fine... off line.
I was only trying to get a common configuration established, whether it be
1U, 2U, 4U or whatever - just so the price becomes a relevant thing.
A StormRack is ?U
Krysalis is 4U
Any other integrators?
U = money money = U
Less U = more money
More money = less U
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:17:56 -0400
From: John
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Extensions Manager/Conflicts with Final Cut Pro
Message-ID:
>Hi there. I have been having problems with my computer freezing when I am
>in Final Cut Pro. It has been suggested to me to make a separate FCP
>Extensions List with my extensions manager, but I don't know which extensions
>FCP needs and which ones conflict with it and should therefore be left out.
>If anyone could let me know, I would be greatly appreciative.
>
Scott,
you can use Mac OS base from the extention manager options.
John
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:20:16 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID:
Clesson,
You will see almost all integrators putting 4U units together in order to
accomodate the DVStorm cardset and put in a higher quality sound and video
card combo. It would be pretty hard to build this unit in anything less.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:14 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
>
>
> That's fine... off line.
>
> I was only trying to get a common configuration established, whether it be
> 1U, 2U, 4U or whatever - just so the price becomes a relevant thing.
>
> A StormRack is ?U
> Krysalis is 4U
> Any other integrators?
>
> U = money money = U
> Less U = more money
> More money = less U
> -
> Clesson Duke
> San Diego, CA USA
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>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:59:56 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <02bd01c1162f$12a790d0$4601a8c0@dev01>
Not necessarily so...
The Tyan board has no 'sound card' built in... but, you can get dual monitor
cards.
With a dual monitor and the edit card, that leaves you with everything else
on-board the Tyan Thunder K7.
To solve the sound 'card' problem just plug in a set of USB Speakers... made
by the likes of Harmon-Kardon and Roland Labs, etc. You have to have wires
running from the back of the chassis to the speakers anyway... USB is just a
good any.
I use a PowerR analog to DV converter and it has a separate monitor output
(composite or Y/C, plus L/R Stereo Audio) and a headset jack, too. That way
I see (and hear) what the end user will see and hear.
Couldn't this reduce the size?
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:19:16 EDT
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Bleach bypass look
Message-ID: <7e.1858c164.28921b94@aol.com>
I'm trying to get a "bleach byass look" you know, the kind of look in the
movie "Seven" and other movies.
Any ideas on how to achieve this look in Afer Effects?
Thanks,
Blain
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:03:55 +1000
From: "Ian Schutt"
To:
Subject: Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Message-ID: <02f201c1163c$554971d0$0300a8c0@ibmxeon>
We have a Dual Athlon machine built around the Tyan 2462UNG and it is truely
a fantastic machine. The on board SCSI 160 coupled with 15K drives makes for
fantastic I/O. A lesser board may save a couple of hundred dollars
but...............
Ian Schutt
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:47:35 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: SCOOP! Wilt caught in Love Tryst with Rule Breakers
Message-ID: <002901c1163e$1e0fa610$4423a8c0@dell420>
Lo and behold in my inbox today, in my trusty DV.com Newsletter, features a
column by Mr. Adam Wilt which includes the advocating of breaking ALL the
rules. (some of you may recall the rather frothy thread some weeks back
about "breaking the rules" - see my tagline quote which was in honor of said
thread).
And I quote:
"Notice it? You bet. Every shot, every cut. Keeps your interest;
excites your emotions. Breaks all the rules. Brilliant."
thanks Adam, us "camera-waving rule breakers" could not have said it better
ourselves.
;)
:)
=)
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"But you know something? Sometimes you have to break the rules to free your
heart."
-Homer Simpson
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:48:47 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID:
Clesson,
What you have effectively created is a server footprint that can handle
video editing. I'm not seeing the benefit. Most editors are not constrained
by the extra 3 rack spaces and these days using external SCSI storage is not
ideal. As to price, a full rack creates at most a $100 delta.
Now, on the other hand if you had a situation where you were serving up a
ton of NAS and had multiple editors in a size-constrained environment the
size savings could be valuable. One size doesn't fit all I guess.
Our system will use a seperate video display adapter and a SB soundcard.
Additionally, we load up on internal IDE storage which is of course more
than adequate for DV editing and that will not fit in a 1U config.
As to "approved", there is not such designator from Canopus. Only authorized
resellers.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clesson Duke [mailto:clesson@duke.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:00 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
>
>
> Not necessarily so...
>
> The Tyan board has no 'sound card' built in... but, you can get
> dual monitor
> cards.
> With a dual monitor and the edit card, that leaves you with
> everything else
> on-board the Tyan Thunder K7.
>
> To solve the sound 'card' problem just plug in a set of USB
> Speakers... made
> by the likes of Harmon-Kardon and Roland Labs, etc. You have to
> have wires
> running from the back of the chassis to the speakers anyway...
> USB is just a
> good any.
>
> I use a PowerR analog to DV converter and it has a separate monitor output
> (composite or Y/C, plus L/R Stereo Audio) and a headset jack,
> too. That way
> I see (and hear) what the end user will see and hear.
>
> Couldn't this reduce the size?
> -
> Clesson Duke
> San Diego, CA USA
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:59:01 -0600
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Message-ID:
Ian,
Sounds like a blazing box. SCSI is cool, but by no means necessary for video
editing. Its really funny these days. We are now having to slow down IBM
Desktar IDE drives in order for them to provide the best capture/playback
for the Matrox RT2500. The speeds are overkill for DV and spending huge
amounts on SCSI would not add any capability. Once you add up the savings on
the Tiger vs. Thunder; PS, mobo, IDE, the number is going to closer to $1k
difference and not hundreds.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Schutt [mailto:ischutt@bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:04 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
>
>
> We have a Dual Athlon machine built around the Tyan 2462UNG and
> it is truely
> a fantastic machine. The on board SCSI 160 coupled with 15K
> drives makes for
> fantastic I/O. A lesser board may save a couple of hundred dollars
> but...............
>
>
> Ian Schutt
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:42:10 -0700
From: "danclark"
To:
Subject: RE: Dual monitor editing problem
Message-ID: <002201c11645$bc3e5280$0a10fed8@dan>
Adam,
Regarding...
"Unlike Mac OS, Windows doesn't fundamentally support multiple displays
(even in the latest versions, there's no concept of a "primary"
display). Most multi-display Windows machines have the delightful
feature of right-down-the-middle dialogs. Grrr."
This depends on what you mean by "...multiple displays...". If you mean
one video card, multiple heads, then I have comment. If you mean
multiple video cards, my experience indicates otherwise.
I have two video cards - an ATI and a 3dfx - hooked to two monitors on a
Windows 2000 system. NO problem! They were plug and play from the
first time I plugged them in. Note that one card (can't remember which)
is about a year older than the other. One advantage of this approach is
that the overall cost was lower than buying one dual-head card.
Regarding Primary/Secondary, they do in fact have primary and secondary.
Just right-click on the desktop, select "properties", then click the
"Settings" tab. Click the "Identify" button and a "1" will appear in
the Primary window and "2" will appear in the Secondary window.
Regarding dialogs... Again, no problem. They appear centered in the
application
window. Most applications appear exactly where you last closed them.
I'm using the system for photo and video work, and stock trading
(real-time datafeeds). Note that the stock charting application is far
more resource intensive than the photo/video editing apps.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Dan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Wilt [mailto:adamwilt@flash.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:14 AM
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: Dual monitor editing problem
> I have a Matrox G450 card. When I attached a second monitor, many =
> windows within Premiere and other programs pop up half in the right =
> monitor and half in the left. In other words, in the "middle" of the =
> dual screen. I then need to drag the window to either side to see it =
> all.
Unlike Mac OS, Windows doesn't fundamentally support multiple displays
(even in the latest versions, there's no concept of a "primary"
display). Most multi-display Windows machines have the delightful
feature of right-down-the-middle dialogs. Grrr.
> Is there a setting I'm missing? I have the latest drivers. This = half
> and half thing is very annoying.
The latest Matrox drivers do offer a setting to center dialogs on a
specified display and IIRC it works pretty well. However my dualhead NLE
box is currently unprovisioned with the second monitor due to desk-space
restrictions so I can't go ferret out exactly which settings page has
the magic switch. Poke around; it's in there somewhere. You may have to
launch the settings dialog from the PowerDesk icon in the systray;
right-clicking the desktop and selecting Properties may not show you all
the possible settings.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: john markert
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: SCOOP! Wilt caught in Love Tryst with Rule Breakers
Message-ID: <20010727024926.89040.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>
I'm not surprised; he supposedly had 50,000 lovers.
He was also the only player to score 100 points in one
game!
But I thought he was dead...
;]
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:05:21 -0700
From: "Clesson Duke"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Ships Storm Rack
Message-ID: <030101c11648$f937e1d0$4601a8c0@dev01>
Whatever size cabinet you desire.
The approved is certainly *not* Canopus, but AMD... certified that that the
chassis, venting, power supply, and motherboard works properly and reliably
with the Athlon processors. Not something that Canopus could do.
I guess if I ran a Post House with several edit bays, I might fill up a rack
quickly. I would think that Post Houses and studios would be the prime
users of rack systems. Prosumers, etc. would just line up less expensive
towers or mini-tower or baby-towers to do the job.
FWIW...
-
Clesson Duke
San Diego, CA USA
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------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:25:21 -0700
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Subject: RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Message-ID:
I don't see how I could save more than $250 with the new motherboard:
Prices (rounded up and including shipping):
Thunder K7 = $400
NMB 460-watt power supply = $130
Total = $530
Tiger K7 = $250
300-watt power supply = $60
Total = $310
Difference: $220
All other things are equal. You can use IDE drives just as well with the
Thunder K7. For $220 more, you get a system with dual Ultra160 SCSI
controllers, dual 10/100 NICs, and onboard ATI video. Now, I'll never use
the video in a workstation, but the rest of that is still a sweet deal for
$220 extra. Of course, it's a waste if you'll never use it, but it is a good
value if you will. Either way, on the cost of a whole system I don't see
$220 making that big of a difference. Unless I'm missing something...
Tyler A. Hawes
Krysalis Productions
Web Development, Video & Animation, NLE Systems
www.KrysalisProductions.com
(360) 882-7297
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth S. Bell [mailto:bellk@dvline.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:59 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Ian,
Sounds like a blazing box. SCSI is cool, but by no means necessary for video
editing. Its really funny these days. We are now having to slow down IBM
Desktar IDE drives in order for them to provide the best capture/playback
for the Matrox RT2500. The speeds are overkill for DV and spending huge
amounts on SCSI would not add any capability. Once you add up the savings on
the Tiger vs. Thunder; PS, mobo, IDE, the number is going to closer to $1k
difference and not hundreds.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
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http://www.dvline.com | Sales (800) 826-0556
Fax (847) 556-0887 | Support (970) 622-8088
Microsoft Certified Professionals
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Schutt [mailto:ischutt@bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:04 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
>
>
> We have a Dual Athlon machine built around the Tyan 2462UNG and
> it is truely
> a fantastic machine. The on board SCSI 160 coupled with 15K
> drives makes for
> fantastic I/O. A lesser board may save a couple of hundred dollars
> but...............
>
>
> Ian Schutt
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:04:55 -0700
From: "Wes Lazara"
To:
Subject: Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
Message-ID: <000401c1165b$2d001660$0200a8c0@wes>
in a whole system perhaps not... but $220 is significant to some. and as
an upgrade, I think it's very significant! Especially in my case since I
already have a 64bit Adaptec 29160 scsi card, a nic (don't need 2 in my
workstation), and (as you said) who needs onboard video in a workstation (my
monitor is dvi anyways)...
I think both lines will end up being very popular!
Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler A. Hawes"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
> I don't see how I could save more than $250 with the new motherboard:
>
> Prices (rounded up and including shipping):
>
> Thunder K7 = $400
> NMB 460-watt power supply = $130
> Total = $530
>
> Tiger K7 = $250
> 300-watt power supply = $60
> Total = $310
>
> Difference: $220
>
> All other things are equal. You can use IDE drives just as well with the
> Thunder K7. For $220 more, you get a system with dual Ultra160 SCSI
> controllers, dual 10/100 NICs, and onboard ATI video. Now, I'll never use
> the video in a workstation, but the rest of that is still a sweet deal for
> $220 extra. Of course, it's a waste if you'll never use it, but it is a
good
> value if you will. Either way, on the cost of a whole system I don't see
> $220 making that big of a difference. Unless I'm missing something...
>
>
> Tyler A. Hawes
> Krysalis Productions
>
> Web Development, Video & Animation, NLE Systems
> www.KrysalisProductions.com
> (360) 882-7297
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth S. Bell [mailto:bellk@dvline.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:59 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
>
>
> Ian,
>
> Sounds like a blazing box. SCSI is cool, but by no means necessary for
video
> editing. Its really funny these days. We are now having to slow down IBM
> Desktar IDE drives in order for them to provide the best capture/playback
> for the Matrox RT2500. The speeds are overkill for DV and spending huge
> amounts on SCSI would not add any capability. Once you add up the savings
on
> the Tiger vs. Thunder; PS, mobo, IDE, the number is going to closer to $1k
> difference and not hundreds.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Bell
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Schutt [mailto:ischutt@bigpond.net.au]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:04 PM
> > To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> > Subject: Re: New Tyan Athlon MP Revealed
> >
> >
> > We have a Dual Athlon machine built around the Tyan 2462UNG and
> > it is truely
> > a fantastic machine. The on board SCSI 160 coupled with 15K
> > drives makes for
> > fantastic I/O. A lesser board may save a couple of hundred dollars
> > but...............
> >
> >
> > Ian Schutt
>
>
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