DV-L Fri, 3 Aug 2001 Volume 1 : Number 936
In this issue:
RE: RF Interference (was "Bird-eye" video shooting)
Re: RF Interference (was "Bird-eye" video shooting)
Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
MotoDV and FCP
Shotgun advice...
Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Re: DVD burning fees?
Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
audio level question
Re: audio level question
Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
RE: How to mic a panel
Re: OT: Electronics on Airlines
Re: OT: Electronics on Airlines / Bruce's Africa return
RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
RE: OT: Electronics on Airlines
Re: OT: Electronics on Airlines
FCP-Edit to Tape-General Error (85)
Re: Canopus Slo-Mo, was Jumped Ship?
Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Re: Mic recommendation
RE: How to mic a panel
RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
RE: Mic recommendation
RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
RE: Canopus Slo-Mo, was Jumped Ship?
Re: XL1s (new model) Auto Focus Corrected?
Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
DV over Fast/Gig Ethernet on Mac?
RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Re: FCP-Edit to Tape-General Error (85)
RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Re: RF Interference (was "Bird-eye" video shooting)
Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
MJPEG A or B for DV transcoding?
Re: MJPEG A or B for DV transcoding?
RE: OT: Electronics on Airlines
RE: Shotgun advice...
Re: RF Interference
Re: Is there a way to check sound overload in Premiere/EditDV?
RE: DV over Fast/Gig Ethernet on Mac?
RE: Is there a way to check sound overload in Premiere/EditDV?
Re: midi files to audio
Re: Best DV Projector
Re: OT: GPS on Commercial Flights
DV over tcp/ip
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:39:11 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: RF Interference (was "Bird-eye" video shooting)
Message-ID:
Another story!
I used to work in Saudi Arabia, and in the late '70s a US company was
responsible for technical maintenance of the kingdom's TV stations. The
telephone network in those days was very unreliable, so the company bought
short wave radios for all the stations with 1000watt linears (output
boosters). Unfortunately they forgot to order any aerials and so each
engineer rigged up something himself. One station I was visiting had every
single monitor picture turn to shash whenever he pressed the transmit
button, and another was shocked a few days after installing his to hear from
friends that they had heard him speaking on the local medium wave radio,
which had its mast located next to his TV station!
In my experience, I've never suffered any RF interference to a professional
camcorder. The metal cases obviously make effective screens. A couple of
years ago I was working in the Seychelles with a Panasonic DVCPRO50, and one
time I was shooting the view from the top of a restricted hill which also
had a radio direction finder array for the airport. The maintenance engineer
said not to get too close to the aerials because the RF could burn, but at
no time did I get any interference on the pictures.
Perry Mitchell
Video Consultant
http://www.perrybits.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:14:28 +1200
From: Crazyhorse Pictures
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: RF Interference (was "Bird-eye" video shooting)
Message-ID: <3B693614298.CCA8SOUTHCAM@smtp.world-net.co.nz>
Hi Perry
ADF is either VHF or HF and even DME on UHF as you say probably wouldn't
effect much so long as anything being used near the antennas is shielded
or grid to ground. GSM's however are 900mhz DIGITAL and tend to ignore
shielding. Incidentally, someone mentioned personal electronics being
banned on some passenger aircraft?. Just recently a year long court case
concluded that a crash in NZ of a "Dash8" (Saab) was "possibly" due to a
passengers cell phone after clearing the pilots of any wrong doing.
Analog cell phones use the same amount of transmitter INPUT as digital
cell phones but have a bigger bandwidth. GSM as I understand it doesn't,
being digital its actually quite narrow and can easily upset electronic
equipment near by.
Steve (ZL1FOX :-)
> Another story!
> I used to work in Saudi Arabia, and in the late '70s a US company was
> responsible for technical maintenance of the kingdom's TV stations. The
> telephone network in those days was very unreliable, so the company bought
> short wave radios for all the stations with 1000watt linears (output
> boosters). Unfortunately they forgot to order any aerials and so each
> engineer rigged up something himself. One station I was visiting had every
> single monitor picture turn to shash whenever he pressed the transmit
> button, and another was shocked a few days after installing his to hear from
> friends that they had heard him speaking on the local medium wave radio,
> which had its mast located next to his TV station!
>
> In my experience, I've never suffered any RF interference to a professional
> camcorder. The metal cases obviously make effective screens. A couple of
> years ago I was working in the Seychelles with a Panasonic DVCPRO50, and one
> time I was shooting the view from the top of a restricted hill which also
> had a radio direction finder array for the airport. The maintenance engineer
> said not to get too close to the aerials because the RF could burn, but at
> no time did I get any interference on the pictures.
> Perry Mitchell
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:36:51 -0400
From: Steve Johnson
To: "'DV-L@DVCentral.org '"
Subject: Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
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> I shoot with all controls 100% manual, no image
> stabilization. Aerials are expensive, and you should know
> your business and not stretch your capabilities. At the
> end of the day, things like auto focus, auto exposure, and
> image stabilization can ruin otherwise perfect shots.
All great info Danny! Thanks for sharing your experiences!
A question... I've never had the delightful experience of having image
stabilization ruin a shot, although I did disable it once when filming a
computer screen. How is it that image stabilization might ruin aerial shots
such as you described?
Thanks again!
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> I shoot with all controls = 100% manual, no image
> stabilization. Aerials are = expensive, and you should know
> your business and not = stretch your capabilities. At the
> end of the day, things like = auto focus, auto exposure, and
> image stabilization can ruin = otherwise perfect shots.
All great info Danny! Thanks for sharing your = experiences!
A question... I've never had the delightful = experience of having image stabilization ruin a shot, although I did = disable it once when filming a computer screen. How is it that = image stabilization might ruin aerial shots such as you = described?
Thanks again!
Steve
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Date: 02 Aug 2001 14:38:08 +0100
From: Bevis R W King
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID: <996759488.4972.145.camel@terreis.ee.surrey.ac.uk>
Since getting a Pioneer DVR-A03 earlier in the week, I've been experimenting
with various different set top DVD-Video players to see what works and what
doesn't. One of my two players, a Sanyo DVD-5100, refused to play the first
couple of discs I tried. Those discs where Pioneer and Apple DVD-R media.
Last night I wrote the same DVD-Video onto one of the Verbatim DVD-R discs
that I'd also acquired. The disc spun up and played in the Sanyo player
perfectly, several times in a row. I'm now wondering what the state is for
other players that were reported not to work and whether just changing the
brand of media used will make those work too.
I've looked at various of the other lists of DVD-R compatibility like the
Apple site and www.vcdhelp.com, but none of those seems to have recorded
what works and what doesn't in terms of media accurately enough to be of
any use. I've started collecting my own list and would welcome contributions
to it... the list is at:
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr.html
I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
encountered so far. My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends.
Regards, Bevis.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:51:34 +0200
From: Jordi Joaquim i Recort
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: MotoDV and FCP
Message-ID:
Hello,
I'm going to sell an old Beige G4 with a MotoDV
I would like to ask somenting about MotoDV
I have a G3 Beige with a MotoDV and FInalCut Pro..
System 9,0,4
QT 4.1.2
Moto DV drivers 1.4.1
Firewire drivers 2.3 and 2.8.1
I can recognize the codecs within FCP
I can Control the camera
I can see the capture preview..
I can capture but with a lot of dropped frames (not a disk
problem/disks performs over 9Mb/s sustained)
But i Can't..
use MotoDV soft for capturing (control keys are dimmed and no video
in the window)
Capture within EDit DV 1.6
I can't play trougth MotoDV in FCP..
It's possible to use MotoDV as a Firewire Card for FCP?
thanks for your help
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:54:20 -0400
From: Bob Doyle
To: DV-List
Subject: Shotgun advice...
Message-ID: <3B695B8C.F9E14F66@bodychangers.com>
Ok, I've got nearly all the pieces put together. I've got the Storm
system coming from DVLine.com...I've got the Sony TRV900, I've got the
3-piece Lowel light kit. Heck, I've even got a tripod with remote
operations of the camera.
So the obvious missing piece? A good microphone...and I've already
busted my budget to hell and back, so I'm looking for some frugal advice
here. My immediate application will be documentary type productions,
with lots of interviewing. However, I will also, as a sideline, be
working on short films, mostly for fun to see if it's a craft that I can
develop. Still, I don't want any obvious weak links, and I see audio as
potentially BEING that weak link if I just stick to the built-in
microphone (I know, I know....don't even CONSIDER it).
So, can anyone suggest an affordable, but not stinky, shotgun mic
(unless you have a different suggested for my stated applications) that
I can add to the arsenal? NO price is too small, but over $500.00 is way
out of possibility for me, at least for now (though I'm happy to make
note of any suggestions in the price range for future purchases...).
These projects are NOT for broadcast, so ultra-high standards don't have
to be met here, but "better than decent" is a minimum requirement!
Thanks very much in advance!
--
Bob Doyle
BodyChangers - Physique Transformations
http://www.bodychangers.com
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:21:19 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Message-ID:
on 8/2/01 8:36 AM, Steve Johnson at stevej@broughton-sys.com wrote:
> A question... I've never had the delightful experience of having image
> stabilization ruin a shot, although I did disable it once when filming a
> computer screen. How is it that image stabilization might ruin aerial shots
> such as you described?
Image stabilization is designed to counteract a little trembling as Joe
Consumer handholds a telephoto shot at his kid's soccer game. Optical
stabilization is better than electronic, because electronic stabilization is
a tradeoff, like digital zooming.
All these technologies have their limits. At the limits of travel, they
don't have elaborate ballistic trajectories to come in for a soft landing -
they just hit the end of travel, with visible effect. When you take into
consideration the vibration of flight, the fact that the ride is often
bumpy, especially lower to the ground where air heating is greatest during
daylight photography hours, then you can see that aerial shooting will have
maximum likelihood of causing an image stabilization system to bang back and
forth to the limits of its travel.
If you want to try a pass or two with stabilization, go for it. But make
sure you get a keeper without stabilization, also, or be prepared for a
terrible surprise once back on the ground reviewing footage.
This effect has been noted on this list before in situations much less
demanding than aerial shots.
Danny Grizzle
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:32:02 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
This is interesting.
Seems like the same thing back when CD-R was getting going and
how different brands of blanks had different colors. Apple does publish
a list of players that will work, and IMO, most all the _new_ players work
(including the one in Dell CPUs),
and not only with DVD-R, but video CD-ROM MPEG 1 etc. SO, even though
I personally haven't bought a DVD player yet, I think the future means that
to be able to play everything out there, be ready to ante up for a new player.
Those DVD players that don't work with DVD's burned by a DVR-A03 are
destined to
get a real bad name.
jmerser
>Since getting a Pioneer DVR-A03 earlier in the week, I've been experimenting
>with various different set top DVD-Video players to see what works and what
>doesn't. One of my two players, a Sanyo DVD-5100, refused to play the first
>couple of discs I tried. Those discs where Pioneer and Apple DVD-R media.
>
>Last night I wrote the same DVD-Video onto one of the Verbatim DVD-R discs
>that I'd also acquired. The disc spun up and played in the Sanyo player
>perfectly, several times in a row. I'm now wondering what the state is for
>other players that were reported not to work and whether just changing the
>brand of media used will make those work too.
>
>I've looked at various of the other lists of DVD-R compatibility like the
>Apple site and www.vcdhelp.com, but none of those seems to have recorded
>what works and what doesn't in terms of media accurately enough to be of
>any use. I've started collecting my own list and would welcome contributions
>to it... the list is at:
>
> http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr.html
>
>I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
>encountered so far. My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
>and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends.
>
>Regards, Bevis.
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:34:52 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVD burning fees?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010802103055.0325ec48@mail.verizon.net>
>Yea, where do you get this done for $30.00? I must be missing something...
I'm sorry I don't remember exactly who does ours, but a web search turned
up http://www.lifeclips.com/. You can find more if you look.
Presumably their profit is in volume. But I know at these prices we're not
going to fool with doing the things ourselves until we can plug in a
DV/composite input and press REC.
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:47:01 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Message-ID: <3B6967E5.6A5B6B22@golden.net>
Hi..
My experience with stabilized shots is , yes, during still shots its
better to run without it..it tends to hunt. but then on a pod with a
still, its really unnecessary anyway.
That said, I wouldn't trade my XL1 *optical* stabilizer for a dozen
*electronic* ones...they are 2 different animals altogether..
The vibration in a Cesna or chopper is not only bumpy air ride, but high
frequency due to the engine vibrating the rest of the chassy..that is
exactly what stabilizers are supposed to be good for..high AND low
frequency vib.
I have also put my airial shots against betaSP footage of the same
locations, and the XL1 wins hands down in my book(stabilizer ON-seeing
is believing)..the betasp footage was considerably shakier and the
footage was considerably more stable from the XL1..the stabilizer is a
specialized tool...not to be overused..however, in an airial shot, I
don't like to take chances..lighting changes often depending on the
wheather...
but I'm sure there are reasons for why someone would not use it and feel
confident without it..BTW..Canon has a clip-on optical stabilizer for
larger broadcast lenses, technology being similar ..and it sell for over
$20,000 last time I checked couple years ago..how it works I have no
idea...
andrew
Danny Grizzle wrote:
> > A question... I've never had the delightful experience of having image
> > stabilization ruin a shot, although I did disable it once when filming a
> > computer screen. How is it that image stabilization might ruin aerial shots
> > such as you described?
>
> Image stabilization is designed to counteract a little trembling as Joe
> Consumer handholds a telephoto shot at his kid's soccer game. Optical
> stabilization is better than electronic, because electronic stabilization is
> a tradeoff, like digital zooming.
>
> All these technologies have their limits. At the limits of travel, they
> don't have elaborate ballistic trajectories to come in for a soft landing -
> they just hit the end of travel, with visible effect. When you take into
> consideration the vibration of flight, the fact that the ride is often
> bumpy, especially lower to the ground where air heating is greatest during
> daylight photography hours, then you can see that aerial shooting will have
> maximum likelihood of causing an image stabilization system to bang back and
> forth to the limits of its travel.
>
> If you want to try a pass or two with stabilization, go for it. But make
> sure you get a keeper without stabilization, also, or be prepared for a
> terrible surprise once back on the ground reviewing footage.
>
> This effect has been noted on this list before in situations much less
> demanding than aerial shots.
>
--
Andrew Kohl
http://www.kohlproductions.com/
Corporate Video / Documentary TV / 3D Animation / Webdesign
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Date: 02 Aug 2001 15:50:59 +0100
From: Bevis R W King
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID: <996763859.3976.147.camel@terreis.ee.surrey.ac.uk>
On 02 Aug 2001 10:32:02 -0400, jmerser wrote:
> Seems like the same thing back when CD-R was getting going and
> how different brands of blanks had different colors.
So far these all look purple... but yes it's the same factors at
play again.
> Apple does publish a list of players that will work
Their list shows the Sony DVP-7700 and DVP-S7700 as different models -
which they aren't (save maybe external colour) and says that one works
and the other doesn't. This inconsistancy harms the Apple list's
credibility although my own experience with media variations making
a critical difference does at least explain how such confusion came
about.
Since one can assume that future players will work, it's merely a
case of choosing a media type that will work with today's existing
players. I'd now use Verbatim media if sending a disc to someone
with a Sanyo player. If I discover (hyperthetically) that TDK works
in Samsung players but Pioneer doesn't, I can again tailor the blank
DVD-R to the target player.
> Those DVD players that don't work with DVD's burned by a DVR-A03 are
> destined to get a real bad name.
Yes, they are. However customers who receive a disc that can't play
aren't likely to be quite as forgiving. Anything we can do to give
each other a clue as to how to get it to work now is useful info.
For example we know older Toshiba players have problems, but if we
could find a media type that worked in those, it would be a major step
forward.
Regards, Bevis.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:55:11 -0400
From: "Paul Heinrich"
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: audio level question
Hello,
I'm having a problem with audio levels in Premiere 6 (using a Raptor card).
I have a voice-over track and a couple background sound tracts. I normalized
all the voice-over audio to 100% (0 db) in Sound Forge 4 XP. Using the
audio track rubberbands and audio gain settings for individual clips, I was
able to get the voice-over sounding nice and clear over the background.
Now for the problem. When I created a "Bars and Tone" clip for the
beginning of the video, the 1k tone sounds very much louder than the rest of
the audio. To get it to a similar sounding volume I had to reduce the gain on
the tone clip to 25%. Since Premiere lacks VU meters I don't have any
graphical indication of whether the tone clip is really too loud. I worried that
adjusting the volume of the tone by ear will give unpredictible results when I
have the final product copied to VHS. Is there a way to make sure that the
level of the tone is similar to the level of the rest of the audio?
thank you, Paul
--
Paul Heinrich
RR1 Box 490
Iron Cave Lane
Lewisburg, PA 17837
(570) 524-5820
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:10:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: audio level question
Message-ID: <200108021510.f72FAMh05814@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>[...] To get it to a similar sounding volume I had to reduce the gain on
>the tone clip to 25%. Since Premiere lacks VU meters I don't have any
>graphical indication of whether the tone clip is really too loud. I worried that
>adjusting the volume of the tone by ear will give unpredictible results when I
>have the final product copied to VHS. Is there a way to make sure that the
>level of the tone is similar to the level of the rest of the audio?
>
>Paul Heinrich
But Premiere 6 does have VU meters, if you tun on the GUI for audio editing.
The tone wants to be set for -20db, maybe -16db.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:10:40 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
>Anything we can do to give
>each other a clue as to how to get it to work now is useful info.
>For example we know older Toshiba players have problems, but if we
>could find a media type that worked in those, it would be a major step
>forward.
>
>Regards, Bevis.
I agree, and THANKS for the info.
jmerser
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:13:07 -0400
From: Bob Siebern
To: DV List
Subject: RE: How to mic a panel
Message-ID: <3B696E03.7D970D5E@scarsdaleschools.k12.ny.us>
Rich is right on 95% of his reply, but instead of Crown PZM's, a pair of
PCC-160's are much better suited for this app. I use a pair into a
DVCPRO DV-210 and get wonderfull results. Thanx, Bob S.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:14:57 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: OT: Electronics on Airlines
Message-ID: <4D48AF345F0@vilas.uwex.edu>
Mike wrote:
>You might
hear something that they would rather you didn't hear.<
United doesn't have a lot to recommend it lately, but one big plus is
cockpit radio on channel 9 of the audio setup (if the pilots are
willing; many are not.) Especially on taxi-out, you hear all kinds of
interesting stuff...controllers telling planes to go the wrong way,
pilots turning off runways in the opposite direction, etc.
Flying to Paris last month, I listened to many pilots trading over-
ocean turbulence reports, and also heard several talking to
"Speedbird," which I understand is the designation for Concorde.
They must have had one up for testing.
I remember an articke in PCComputing (remember them?) a few
years back that really over-hyped the computers-and-aircraft link.
The amount of leakage from any hand-held can't be all that great.
OTOH, I see great value in having all that junk stowed on takeoff
and landing, where turbulence could make your Powerbook into a
missile.
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:31:27 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Electronics on Airlines / Bruce's Africa return
Message-ID: <3B693A0F.17603.8CA6D@localhost>
Hi Bruce:
Welcome back from Africa. Hope it went well.
BTW Speedbird is the Concorde and the British did have it up for a
test flight. The French are very reluctant.
Cheers
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:34:42 +0200
From: "Fox"
To:
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
Hi Bevis,
we've reported and link your list from our DVD-R/RW drives forum at labDV:
http://www=2Elabdv=2Ecom/forums/phpBB/viewtopic=2Ephp?topic=3D102&forum=3D15=
&0
Fox
The forums: http://www=2Elabdv=2Ecom/forums/phpBB/index=2Ephp
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part de Bevis R W King
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 2 ao=FBt 2001 15:38
=C0 : DV-L@dvcentral=2Eorg
Objet : Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Since getting a Pioneer DVR-A03 earlier in the week, I've been experimenting
with various different set top DVD-Video players to see what works and what
doesn't=2E One of my two players, a Sanyo DVD-5100, refused to play the fir=
st
couple of discs I tried=2E Those discs where Pioneer and Apple DVD-R media=
=2E
Last night I wrote the same DVD-Video onto one of the Verbatim DVD-R discs
that I'd also acquired=2E The disc spun up and played in the Sanyo player
perfectly, several times in a row=2E I'm now wondering what the state is fo=
r
other players that were reported not to work and whether just changing the
brand of media used will make those work too=2E
I've looked at various of the other lists of DVD-R compatibility like the
Apple site and www=2Evcdhelp=2Ecom, but none of those seems to have recorded
what works and what doesn't in terms of media accurately enough to be of
any use=2E I've started collecting my own list and would welcome
contributions
to it=2E=2E=2E the list is at:
http://www=2Eee=2Esurrey=2Eac=2Euk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr=2Ehtml
I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
encountered so far=2E My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends=2E
Regards, Bevis=2E
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:36:38 +0100
From: Mark Grant
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: OT: Electronics on Airlines
Message-ID: <0182399E7179D211824400A0C9EA408A02C9D965@exchuk02.3dlabs.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503 [mailto:johnsonb@wpt.org]
> Flying to Paris last month, I listened to many pilots trading over-
> ocean turbulence reports, and also heard several talking to
> "Speedbird," which I understand is the designation for Concorde.
> They must have had one up for testing.
They did a re-certification flight recently after making various changes to
prevent a recurrence of the crash. I believe British Airways are hoping to
have them flying again in a few months; I lived under the flightpath at
Heathrow until recently and the 'Concorde wakeup call' was always handy when
I forgot to set my alarm before going to bed...
> I remember an articke in PCComputing (remember them?) a few
> years back that really over-hyped the computers-and-aircraft link.
> The amount of leakage from any hand-held can't be all that great.
Indeed; having worked on avionics in the past I find most of these scares
very hard to believe. I would imagine the airlines are mainly trying to
cover themselves even though the risks are miniscule.
Mark
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:41:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Electronics on Airlines
Message-ID: <200108021541.f72FfkI06079@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>United doesn't have a lot to recommend it lately, but one big plus is
>cockpit radio on channel 9 of the audio setup (if the pilots are
>willing; many are not.) Especially on taxi-out, you hear all kinds of
>interesting stuff...controllers telling planes to go the wrong way,
>pilots turning off runways in the opposite direction, etc.
>Bruce A. Johnson
United has actually been on time for me. OTOH, America's Worst Airline,
United Express (midwest version) sucks. They can't fly on time to save
their lives. I've not had one flight with them be right and sitting
in the terminal for a few hours, not one UE flight into, or out of,
Chicago was on time.
Welcome back.
MB
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:51:22 -0500
From: Robert Broussard
To: DV LIST
Subject: FCP-Edit to Tape-General Error (85)
Message-ID:
When I am doing an "Edit to Tape" operation in FCP 2.0 (on a Pismo PB with a
Canon GL1), the operation fails (without writing to the tape) and FCP
reports "...General Error (85)..." any ideas on what the cause might be? I
have had no other known troubles...
Thanks,
-Robert
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:03:20 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: Canopus Slo-Mo, was Jumped Ship?
Message-ID: <4D5595E709C@vilas.uwex.edu>
Steve wrote:
>Check the Canopus DV SLOW-MOTION program, it is fantastic.<
Ten-four, good buddy. It's an amazing piece of software. And the
price is right, too - FREE.
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:03:57 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Message-ID:
on 8/2/01 9:47 AM, andrew kohl at kohl@golden.net wrote:
> I have also put my airial shots against betaSP footage of the same
> locations, and the XL1 wins hands down in my book(stabilizer ON-seeing
> is believing)..the betasp footage was considerably shakier and the
> footage was considerably more stable from the XL1
The difference between XL1 and Beta SP is probably due more to form factor
more than optical stabilization.
You don't want to fly with a shoulder mount camera. Use a high quality 3CCD
mini-DV like the XL1 or PD150, and use your arms to "float" the camera.
Don't rest any part of your arm or elbow against any part of the aircraft,
and don't touch your head against the eyepiece. Floating the camera like
this does a remarkable job at decoupling the camera from mechanical
vibrations.
You can't shoot handheld this way with a Beta SP, because the shoulder bone
is connected to the butt bone, and there's a whole lot of shakin' going on.
I'm not totally adverse to using image stabilization for aerials. It's a
matter of what I know work opposed to what I hope works. Floating the camera
and using a wide angle focal length are always important. Image
stabilization may be good, or it may be bad. Get coverage with and without
to be safe.
Danny Grizzle
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:07:36 -0400
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mic recommendation
Message-ID:
This is just a data point for you, since it costs less than your $500
limit. I didn't compare mics and am not even sure if we got the best
price on this one, so I may end up embarrassing myself, but, FWIW.
(It's a long story.)
I asked for a recommendation for a mic that would accomplish a bunch
of things -- probably too many things to really do all (any?) of them
well:
1. Shotgun to use in film-like applications on a boom.
2. Hand-held, full-range for recording SFX.
3. An occasional concert recording.
4. Use for interviews and VOs.
The recommendation I got (and bought) was an AKG C568EB, which is a
short shotgun mic. We paid $420 for it. I've used it for a couple of
different applications and like the sound. Some VOs really sounded
good, in fact. (Again, haven't done a comparison to other mics, so
take my opinion FWIW.)
Issues that you might have to consider:
1. An XLR connector and I'm pretty sure it needs phantom power. If
your using a prosumer camera and don't already have something to take
care of this, it'll add $$ to the overall cost.
2. A short shotgun has less directionality than a long shotgun. It
means it's easier to maneuver and you don't have to be quite as
precise with aiming and following. It also makes it more
general-purpose. OTOH, it is less selective and gathers more
background noise -- i.e. a less-effective shotgun.
3. Do you have a boom or are you thinking on-camera placement?
Depending on your boom solution, that's anywhere from home-made to
$$$$.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:38:33 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: How to mic a panel
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802093639.00a652a0@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 11:13 AM 8/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Rich is right on 95% of his reply, but instead of Crown PZM's, a pair of
>PCC-160's are much better suited for this app. I use a pair into a
>DVCPRO DV-210 and get wonderfull results. Thanx, Bob S.
And if you can't afford the Crown PZM's, check Radio Shack. Sounds weird,
I know, but I bought a set of PZM's from them several years ago which work
excellently. They were built, by the way, using licensed Crown technology.
Andy Stevens
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:30:56 -0400
From: "Jay Doggett"
To:
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
I found a list of compatible and incompatible set top players. I will post
it if it's ok. I just purchased the Pioneer unit too and the UPS guy may
deliver it today.
I found a couple of other interesting sites as well regarding the
differences between authoring disks and general purpose disks. And why it is
that one can't just record DVD content on a cd-r!
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bevis R W King [mailto:B.King@eim.surrey.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:38 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Since getting a Pioneer DVR-A03 earlier in the week, I've been experimenting
with various different set top DVD-Video players to see what works and what
doesn't. One of my two players, a Sanyo DVD-5100, refused to play the first
couple of discs I tried. Those discs where Pioneer and Apple DVD-R media.
Last night I wrote the same DVD-Video onto one of the Verbatim DVD-R discs
that I'd also acquired. The disc spun up and played in the Sanyo player
perfectly, several times in a row. I'm now wondering what the state is for
other players that were reported not to work and whether just changing the
brand of media used will make those work too.
I've looked at various of the other lists of DVD-R compatibility like the
Apple site and www.vcdhelp.com, but none of those seems to have recorded
what works and what doesn't in terms of media accurately enough to be of
any use. I've started collecting my own list and would welcome
contributions
to it... the list is at:
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr.html
I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
encountered so far. My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends.
Regards, Bevis.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:38:51 -0400
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: Mic recommendation
Message-ID:
Look at the Neumann KM 185. It's a short hypercardioid and is great for all
the applications you mentioned. It's a little more expensive than your
limit, but it's a great mic. It's often compared favorably to the Schoeps
mics that are the staple of high-end filmmaking, and it's also often used in
studios as a music recording mic. We have one for our DVCAM rig and it
works great!
EBerlin
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Folta [mailto:wfolta@netmail.to]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:08 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Mic recommendation
This is just a data point for you, since it costs less than your $500
limit. I didn't compare mics and am not even sure if we got the best
price on this one, so I may end up embarrassing myself, but, FWIW.
(It's a long story.)
I asked for a recommendation for a mic that would accomplish a bunch
of things -- probably too many things to really do all (any?) of them
well:
1. Shotgun to use in film-like applications on a boom.
2. Hand-held, full-range for recording SFX.
3. An occasional concert recording.
4. Use for interviews and VOs.
The recommendation I got (and bought) was an AKG C568EB, which is a
short shotgun mic. We paid $420 for it. I've used it for a couple of
different applications and like the sound. Some VOs really sounded
good, in fact. (Again, haven't done a comparison to other mics, so
take my opinion FWIW.)
Issues that you might have to consider:
1. An XLR connector and I'm pretty sure it needs phantom power. If
your using a prosumer camera and don't already have something to take
care of this, it'll add $$ to the overall cost.
2. A short shotgun has less directionality than a long shotgun. It
means it's easier to maneuver and you don't have to be quite as
precise with aiming and following. It also makes it more
general-purpose. OTOH, it is less selective and gathers more
background noise -- i.e. a less-effective shotgun.
3. Do you have a boom or are you thinking on-camera placement?
Depending on your boom solution, that's anywhere from home-made to
$$$$.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:49:19 -0700
From: Paul Darrigo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
Jay,
What did ou pay for the DVD-R? I think I saw them for around $595....
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Doggett [mailto:jmdoggett@mediaone.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:31 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
I found a list of compatible and incompatible set top players. I will post
it if it's ok. I just purchased the Pioneer unit too and the UPS guy may
deliver it today.
I found a couple of other interesting sites as well regarding the
differences between authoring disks and general purpose disks. And why it is
that one can't just record DVD content on a cd-r!
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bevis R W King [mailto:B.King@eim.surrey.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:38 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Since getting a Pioneer DVR-A03 earlier in the week, I've been experimenting
with various different set top DVD-Video players to see what works and what
doesn't. One of my two players, a Sanyo DVD-5100, refused to play the first
couple of discs I tried. Those discs where Pioneer and Apple DVD-R media.
Last night I wrote the same DVD-Video onto one of the Verbatim DVD-R discs
that I'd also acquired. The disc spun up and played in the Sanyo player
perfectly, several times in a row. I'm now wondering what the state is for
other players that were reported not to work and whether just changing the
brand of media used will make those work too.
I've looked at various of the other lists of DVD-R compatibility like the
Apple site and www.vcdhelp.com, but none of those seems to have recorded
what works and what doesn't in terms of media accurately enough to be of
any use. I've started collecting my own list and would welcome
contributions
to it... the list is at:
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr.html
I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
encountered so far. My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends.
Regards, Bevis.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:01:27 +0200
From: "Fox"
To:
Subject: RE: Canopus Slo-Mo, was Jumped Ship?
Message-ID:
Where can I find this Canopus DV SLOW-MOTION program ?
Fox
-----Message d'origine-----
De : dv-l-request@dvcentral=2Eorg [mailto:dv-l-request@dvcentral=2Eorg]De la
part de Bruce A=2E Johnson ORH 2-8503
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 2 ao=FBt 2001 19:03
=C0 : DV-L@dvcentral=2Eorg
Objet : Re: Canopus Slo-Mo, was Jumped Ship?
Steve wrote:
>Check the Canopus DV SLOW-MOTION program, it is fantastic=2E<
Ten-four, good buddy=2E It's an amazing piece of software=2E And the
price is right, too - FREE=2E
Bruce A=2E Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:02:58 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: XL1s (new model) Auto Focus Corrected?
Message-ID: <1010802100259.1146a2b2.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.269241@mail.promax.com>
Christopher Van Nest Wrote
>Charles or anyone else who's read about or used the new XL1s, do you know if
>it has an updated or corrected auto focus when compared to the older model
>XL1? We're considering purchasing one to replace our XL1 if the auto focus
>is significantly improved.
>
>Thanks,
>Christopher
Auto focus seemed to me to be much better than before. I have not used
the XL1s in all kinds of conditions but I did take it home to test in low
light and auto focus worked fine. You mileage may vary.
thanks
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:10:36 -1000
From: Doc Del
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID: <3B69898C.4C831FCA@maui.net>
I didn't see any way for other input and I don't know if you want this info but here are my findings on the Pioneer 626D unit. This unit plays the following:
Mitsui MJDVR47-1P 4.7gig(A) recordable disk
Pioneer DVS-R4700SP 4.7gig(A) recordable disk
Pioneer DVS-R470SDF 4.7gig(G) recordable disk
Pioneer DVS-RW470SD 4.7gig(G) RW disk
I have not tried any other disks.
Brian Dellaport
Bevis R W King wrote:
> I've started collecting my own list and would welcome contributions
> to it... the list is at:
>
> http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr.html
>
> I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
> encountered so far. My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
> and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends.
>
> Regards, Bevis.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:52:21 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: DV over Fast/Gig Ethernet on Mac?
Message-ID: <3B699355.54B42C4@flash.net>
> Moving DV clips over networks is feasible, but is likely going to
> take longer than capturing them in the first place as even 100baseT
> at max efficiency is only about 3x DV data rates.
And I'm not even seeing 1x over Gigabit Ethernet on the Mac. What am I doing
wrong?
Situation: Two G4/500DPs running OS 9.1, connected back-to-back using Gigabit
Ethernet, so there's no other traffic on the link. ASP confirms the link is up
& running at 1 Gig, full duplex.
File transfers between the machines run 2.6 to 2.8 Mbytes/sec whether I'm
running AppleTalk or DAVE over TCP/IP. This is goofy: I should be able to see
around 40-80 Mbytes/sec throughput if GigE were the limiting factor. Heck,
even 100Base (Fast Ethernet) should give me 4 Mbytes/sec or better; I have a
Canopus-using buddy who routinely captures across the network using Fast
Ethernet, without dropped frames.
Both machines have IBM deskstars and can do same-disk file copies (i.e.,
duplicate file) at 15 Mbytes/sec (read and write combined), so the disks
aren't the problem. Enabling/disabling the 802.3 checkbox doesn't make a
substantial difference.
Anyone have a magic bullet for me?
Thanks,
Adam Wilt
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:49:29 +0200
From: "Fox"
To:
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
Hi Brian and all,
I've copied in labDV forum at
http://www.labdv.com/forums/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=102&forum=15&1
So the forum can be used as a DVD-R knowledge base with the search tools.
Hope this is fine for all,
Fox
(I should receive my own DVR-A03 within a couple of weeks - with a Nec PC
($340 option) for a colleague and we gonna exchange with my CD-RW - good
idea, isn't it !)
-----Message d'origine-----
De : dv-l-request@dvcentral.org [mailto:dv-l-request@dvcentral.org]De la
part de Doc Del
Envoye : jeudi 2 aout 2001 19:11
A : DV-L@dvcentral.org
Objet : Re: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
I didn't see any way for other input and I don't know if you want this info
but here are my findings on the Pioneer 626D unit. This unit plays the
following:
Mitsui MJDVR47-1P 4.7gig(A) recordable disk
Pioneer DVS-R4700SP 4.7gig(A) recordable disk
Pioneer DVS-R470SDF 4.7gig(G) recordable disk
Pioneer DVS-RW470SD 4.7gig(G) RW disk
I have not tried any other disks.
Brian Dellaport
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:08:51 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: FCP-Edit to Tape-General Error (85)
Message-ID: <3B699733.2790AB1D@pacbell.net>
Robert Broussard wrote:
>
> When I am doing an "Edit to Tape" operation in FCP 2.0 (on a Pismo PB with a
> Canon GL1), the operation fails (without writing to the tape) and FCP
> reports "...General Error (85)..." any ideas on what the cause might be? I
> have had no other known troubles...
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Robert
I think edit to tape only works with Pro video decks like a UVW-1800 or
the DSR 1800 & 2000. DV has no provisions for insert editing. The GL-1
definitly has no insert editing capabilities so the edit to tape would
not work. I knbow edit to tape works with capture cards(Igniter) and pro
decks since I have done it before.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:47:12 -0400
From: "Jay Doggett"
To:
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
Paul,
I paid $617. It just showed up!
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Darrigo [mailto:fedguy2@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Jay,
What did ou pay for the DVD-R? I think I saw them for around $595....
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Doggett [mailto:jmdoggett@mediaone.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:31 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
I found a list of compatible and incompatible set top players. I will post
it if it's ok. I just purchased the Pioneer unit too and the UPS guy may
deliver it today.
I found a couple of other interesting sites as well regarding the
differences between authoring disks and general purpose disks. And why it is
that one can't just record DVD content on a cd-r!
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bevis R W King [mailto:B.King@eim.surrey.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:38 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Since getting a Pioneer DVR-A03 earlier in the week, I've been experimenting
with various different set top DVD-Video players to see what works and what
doesn't. One of my two players, a Sanyo DVD-5100, refused to play the first
couple of discs I tried. Those discs where Pioneer and Apple DVD-R media.
Last night I wrote the same DVD-Video onto one of the Verbatim DVD-R discs
that I'd also acquired. The disc spun up and played in the Sanyo player
perfectly, several times in a row. I'm now wondering what the state is for
other players that were reported not to work and whether just changing the
brand of media used will make those work too.
I've looked at various of the other lists of DVD-R compatibility like the
Apple site and www.vcdhelp.com, but none of those seems to have recorded
what works and what doesn't in terms of media accurately enough to be of
any use. I've started collecting my own list and would welcome
contributions
to it... the list is at:
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/EuropeDVD/dvdr.html
I've also tabulated the various types of DVD-R General Use media I've
encountered so far. My trials have been with images mastered with DVDit!
and recorded on Pioneer DVR-A03s - mine and a friends.
Regards, Bevis.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:12:27 -0400
From: "Jay Doggett"
To:
Subject: RE: Differences between makes of DVD-R (General) Media
Message-ID:
Part 2.
Here is the info I turned up.
From http://www.weddingsy2k.com/compatibility.html
dvd-r compatibility guide. please check before you order
DVD-R Compatibility Guide
Certain older DVD players may not play DVD-R discs. Please check
the
compatibility guide below or check with your DVD player
manufacturer.
MPEG-2 conversion may produce certain artifacts based on the quality
and
sample rate of your video source. RV Video cannot be held
responsible
for limitations inherent in the MPEG-2 compression algorithm or that
arise from the source quality.
Please note that the DVD-R standard has been approved and adopted by
an
industry consortium of DVD player manufacturers. Reportedly, over
95%
of current DVD players have been manufactured in compliance with the
DVD-R specification. Most compatibility problems, though rare,
occur in
DVD player equipment released in 1998. or earlier. RV Video cannot
be
responsible for the compliance of your player with the DVD-R
specification and we encourage you to check with the manufacturer or
your manual if in doubt.
Compatible DVD Players
Aiwa
XDDV290
Apex
AD660, AD703
Denon
DVD3000, DVD3300, DVM3700
Emerson
DVD2000
Harmon Kardon
DVD5
JVC
XV511BK, XV723, XVD55, XVM567
Konka
KD1800U1
Magnavox
DVD711/171
Mitsubishi
DD6000
Oritron
DVD100, DVD200, DVD600
Panasonic
DVDA7, DVDA10, DVDA100, DVDA300 , DVDA310, DVDL10D, DVDL110,
DVDL50D, DVDT2000, DVDCV50 , DVDRV20, DVDRV30 , DVDRV55 ,
DVDK520,
CT27DC50
Pioneer
DVC503, DV414, DV301, DV333, DV434, Elite05 , Elite DVF07 ,
DV500 ,
DV505, DV525, DV606D, DVL700, PDVLC10
Proscan
P8610P, P8680Z
Raite
RDP715
RCA
RC5200 , RC5220P , RC5215P
Samsung
DVD511, DVD611, DVD905
Sharp
DV750U, DVL70U
SMC
DVD330S
Sony
DAVS300, DVPC600, DVPC650D , DVPC660, DVPC670D, DVPCX850D ,
DVPCX860, DVPCX870D, DVPS300, DVPS330 , DVPS350, DVPS360 ,
DVPS500,
DVPS530D , DVPS520, DVPS550D, DVPS560D, DVPS570D, DVP660 ,
DVP670D,
DVP 680, DVPS7700, DVPS9000ESPlayStation 2
Technics
A10D
Toshiba
SD1200 , SD1600, SD2150, SD2200, SD2300 , SD3205, SD4205, SD6200
Tredex
TX8303
Yamaha
DVDC996, DVDS700, DVDS796
Zenith
DVC2200, DVC2250, DVC2515
****************************************************************************
***
****************************************************************************
***
Incompatible DVD Players
Aiwa
XDD370
Afreey
LD-2060
Apex
AD500A, AD600A
Denon
DVD1500
Go! Video
DVS3000, DVR5000
Hitachi
GD3000, GD5000, GVD305
JVC
XV501, XV523, XV1000, XVD701
Kenwood
DV402, DV403
KLH
DVD1000
Memorex
MVD2026
Mitsubishi
DD2000, DD3000, DD4001
Panasonic
DVDA110, DVDA120, DVDCV50
Philips
DVD701, DVD711, DVD170, DVD400, DVD405, DVD751, DVD825AT,
DVD850,
DVD950
RCA
RC5910
Sampo
DVE520
Samsung
DVD839, DVD709/XAA, DVD739 , DVDC600
Sony
DVPS3000TP, DVPS7000, DVPS3000, PVDV30
Sylvania
DVL100A, DVL1000
Toshiba
SD2006, SD2107U, SD2108 U, SD2109, SD3006, SD3107, SD3109,
SD5109,
SD6109C, SD9000
X-Wave
B171-L9
Yamaha
DVDC900
Zenith
IQDVD2300
Another site with player lists:
http://www.toddvideo.com/dvd_compatible.html
This search was illuminating. One can obtain dvd-r blanks at $4.50 in bulk.
http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=dvd-r+general+purpose+blank&hc=0&hs=4
Jay
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:40:30 EDT
From: Triglyph@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: RF Interference (was "Bird-eye" video shooting)
Message-ID:
In a message dated 8/2/01 2:54:41 AM, perry.mitchell@btinternet.com writes:
<< In my experience, I've never suffered any RF interference to a professional
camcorder. >>
I have had this trouble, but at the time I lived directly under the Empire
State Building (major antennas of all sorts) and I must say it was not very
high quality gear. In order to get a clean picture or any audio at all from
the camera and camera mike, I had to wrap aluminum foil around the cable.
I also had a VCR in that studio that would only work if you stood it on it's
side or pressed gently on both sides. Take it out of the studio and it
worked perfectly. Video is seldom a problem, audio is frequently a problem -
even when I've been working with experienced soundmen with good equipment. I
recall one time when we had a "newbie" soundman and he rented an AC powered
mixer - it was for playback, not recording. We got a Mexican radio station
clear as a bell. Everytime we changed something around we just got a
different Mexican radio station. Now I understand why nearly all mixers are
DC powered.
b.
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:05:28 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: "Bird-eye" video shooting
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802140024.00ac8120@mail.ulti-media.com>
I have found that much aerial footage that would be unacceptable because of
inadvertent movement can be salvaged many times by using a slo-mo to
lengthen the "good" section.
Fast Studio has an excellent slow motion render which has allowed me
stretch those already stable portions. If there's no point of reference in
regard to speed, speed, many times, becomes irrelevant.
Andy
At 11:03 AM 8/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm not totally adverse to using image stabilization for aerials. It's a
>matter of what I know work opposed to what I hope works. Floating the camera
>and using a wide angle focal length are always important. Image
>stabilization may be good, or it may be bad. Get coverage with and without
>to be safe.
>
>Danny Grizzle
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Surber
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: MJPEG A or B for DV transcoding?
Message-ID: <20010802211839.60794.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com>
Back in the day Photo JPEG (PJPEG) was the only real
codec to use (besides Animation [best], or None) for
transcoding. Then Apple developed Motion JPEG A and B
(MJPEG) as an enhancement to PJPEG. The difference
between PJPEG and the MJPEG's is MJPEG compresses the
fields seperately... higher quality, I assume. Certain
analog boards could even play this codec in real-time
out to an analog wire, as long as you chose the right
variance (A or B).
Since MJPEG is superior at transcoding vesus PJPEG I'd
like to use that for my transcoding operation.
However, I haven't found any info on the web which
MPJPEG is appropriate for DV. I tried
http://www.terran.com... they have taken down their
codec reference. :(
I know that DV needs the "lower field" to show up
first.
I also know that one MJPEG variance handles the
"first" field, and one handles, the "second" field.
Does this correspond to "even-odd," "1-2," and
"upper-lower" ?
Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:52:30 -0700
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: MJPEG A or B for DV transcoding?
Message-ID:
At 2:18 PM -0700 8/2/01, Ryan Surber wrote:
>Back in the day Photo JPEG (PJPEG) was the only real
>codec to use (besides Animation [best], or None) for
>transcoding. Then Apple developed Motion JPEG A and B
>(MJPEG) as an enhancement to PJPEG. The difference
>between PJPEG and the MJPEG's is MJPEG compresses the
>fields seperately... higher quality, I assume. Certain
>analog boards could even play this codec in real-time
>out to an analog wire, as long as you chose the right
>variance (A or B).
>
>Since MJPEG is superior at transcoding vesus PJPEG I'd
>like to use that for my transcoding operation.
>However, I haven't found any info on the web which
>MPJPEG is appropriate for DV. I tried
>http://www.terran.com... they have taken down their
>codec reference. :(
>
>I know that DV needs the "lower field" to show up
>first.
>I also know that one MJPEG variance handles the
>"first" field, and one handles, the "second" field.
>Does this correspond to "even-odd," "1-2," and
>"upper-lower" ?
That isn't right. Both MJPEG-A and B handle all field variations; the
difference is just in the on-disk format. MJPEG-A has a valid JPEG
bitstream in it; MJPEGB has the Q-tables and huffman tables in the
image description and only the data itself in the image. They both
get decoded by the same code inside Qt (unless you ahve hardware that
acceleraets one fo them).
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:57:11 +0100
From: "Perry"
To:
Subject: RE: OT: Electronics on Airlines
Message-ID:
I'm no expert, but I understood 'Speedbird' was the nickname used by ATC for
ANY British Airways plane. It is based upon the old BOAC logo which was
called 'Speedbird' in the company.
The BA Concorde fleet has JUST started tests after modifications, and they
certainly haven't been near Paris yet.
Perry Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce A. Johnson
Flying to Paris last month, I listened to many pilots trading over-
ocean turbulence reports, and also heard several talking to
"Speedbird," which I understand is the designation for Concorde.
They must have had one up for testing.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:29:33 -0600
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: ,
Subject: RE: Shotgun advice...
Message-ID:
Bob, I would suggest a couple of "inexpensive" options that work well
for me with my Sony DCR-TRV900. You could get the Azden WMS-PRO
lavaliere wireless mic system and use it both as a wireless mic and but
more importantly use the lavaliere mic that comes with it hard wired to
the TRV900 via some shielded Radio Shack extension cable(s). This gives
you a lot of capability to be able to go both wireless and wired with
decent quality and should cost about $200 I think from B&H Photo-Video
at http://www.bhphotovideo.com. You could also get a Sennheiser MKE-300
on camera shotgun mic for under $200 from B&H that you could use on your
TRV900 or mounted on a still camera unipod and wired to the TRV900 with
the same cables above from Radio Shack which also gives decent quality.
I prefer using the wired lavaliere mic for my interview takes. Finally,
I also got a 1-2 inch long adaptor plug from Radio Shack that converts
the 1/8 inch mono mini plugs from the mics to a 1/8 inch stereo mini
plug to the TRV900. This will allow the TRV900 to record the same audio
onto BOTH audio channels on the DV tape. Otherwise, the TRV900 only
records the audio onto the left channel, not a big deal as you can
"take" just the left channel in Premiere, but I prefer to have the audio
recorded on both channels at the same time. Hope this information helps.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Doyle [mailto:bob@bodychangers.com]
Ok, I've got nearly all the pieces put together. I've got the Storm
system coming from DVLine.com...I've got the Sony TRV900, I've got the
3-piece Lowel light kit. Heck, I've even got a tripod with remote
operations of the camera.
So the obvious missing piece? A good microphone...and I've already
busted my budget to hell and back, so I'm looking for some frugal advice
here. My immediate application will be documentary type productions,
with lots of interviewing. However, I will also, as a sideline, be
working on short films, mostly for fun to see if it's a craft that I can
develop. Still, I don't want any obvious weak links, and I see audio as
potentially BEING that weak link if I just stick to the built-in
microphone (I know, I know....don't even CONSIDER it).
So, can anyone suggest an affordable, but not stinky, shotgun mic
(unless you have a different suggested for my stated applications) that
I can add to the arsenal? NO price is too small, but over $500.00 is way
out of possibility for me, at least for now (though I'm happy to make
note of any suggestions in the price range for future purchases...).
These projects are NOT for broadcast, so ultra-high standards don't have
to be met here, but "better than decent" is a minimum requirement!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:19:20 -0500
From: Danny Grizzle
To:
Subject: Re: RF Interference
Message-ID:
on 8/2/01 2:40 PM, Triglyph@aol.com at Triglyph@aol.com wrote:
> I have had this trouble, but at the time I lived directly under the Empire
> State Building...
> I also had a VCR in that studio that would only work if you stood it on it's
> side or pressed gently on both sides...
This is interesting, and reminds me of something I have seen with my own
eyes, super hi-tech satellite uplink gear. I was in a manufacturing facility
for huge uplink dishes -- a company called Vertex, formerly Harris
Industries. These guys have tons of scopes and instruments I couldn't begin
to describe or speculate what they did.
Final quality control? The metal waveguide that funnels the signal towards
the dish is gripped in the jaws of a big pair of channel-lock pliers, the
same kind you can buy at Home Depot or Sears, and the wave guide is
squeezed. This "tunes" the frequency, and is adjusted while the technician
watches some kind of scope.
Danny Grizzle
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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:46:13 -1000
From: Robert Couch
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Is there a way to check sound overload in Premiere/EditDV?
Message-ID: <200108032146.f73Lk8d11975@portmac.midcoast.com.au>
The original poster's problem was audio overload when dubbing to tape, but I
not sure whether it was dubbing to DV tape or analog tape. I've had audio
overload problems where audio "normalized" in Premiere and perfectly clean
on the DV master produces an analog audio signal hot enough to overload a
VHS VCR. If this is the problem, and the VCR doesn't have input level
controls (mine doesn't), a passive attenuator in the audio feed should work?
Robert Couch
Walt Wimberly wrote:
I have a recurring problem where I find, that the edited sound track plays
> well in EditDV/Premiere, but the dubbed-out copy on tape has distortion
> where peaks in the music, voices andsound effects just happened to
> coincide. Is there a program or a way to check for the presence of danger
> spots BEFORE all that huggermugger?
>
> If any programmers are listening: It would be great if the timeline would
> light up where the summed waves hit dangerous levels, rather like Word
> underlines/highlights bad grammar. Better if there was an audio wizard
> option that you could ask to tweak dangers spots so that the mix would
> never overload.
>
> Any workarounds, workbefores?
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:10:46 -0400
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: DV over Fast/Gig Ethernet on Mac?
Message-ID:
Adam, we're interested in a setup like your friend's-- could you give a few
more details about their Canopus setup? Basically, what Canopus card are
they using and are they actually able to capture directly across Fast
Ethernet with the Canopus card in one machine, mass storage in another.
In case anyone else is interested in our research, we're looking into
external storage for our Raptor-soon-to-be-Storm/RaptorRT setup. The leading
candidate is currently a FireWire Direct RAID array at
http://www.firewiredirect.com/product/products/RAID.shtml. 800GB of 7200RPM
storage in a RAID 0 array totals about $4300 (ouch), but it's removable and
theoretically has unlimited expansion.
An alternative we're looking at is setting up an 800GB RAID 0 array using
fixed 5400RPM, 100GB drives housed in a regular PC case. We'd use the 3ware
Escalade Ultra ATA/66 RAID Storage Controller (8 Slots) found at
http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/ inside a PC case with motherboard,
processor, Ethernet, etc. This totals about $3200, but the main question we
had was how we'd quickly access the drive space from our Canopus editing
computer. If Fast Ethernet regularly works for capture between the systems,
it would probably save us about $1G and give us a spare PC to boot.
Thanks,
Christopher
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Wilt [mailto:adamwilt@flash.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:52 PM
> To: DV-L
> Subject: DV over Fast/Gig Ethernet on Mac?
> better; I have a
> Canopus-using buddy who routinely captures across the network using Fast
> Ethernet, without dropped frames.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam Wilt
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:06:05 -0600
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Is there a way to check sound overload in Premiere/EditDV?
Message-ID:
I have found that DV audio is very susceptible to over peaking and that
at what level this occurs at is dependent upon the DV deck or camcorder.
For instance my Sony DHR-1000 DV VCR deck will take DV audio levels up
to around 0 on its level meters, but my Sony GV-D900 DV VCR deck will
only take DV audio levels up to around -6 on the DHR-1000 DV level
meters before severe distortion occurs. I now limit my audio peaks to -6
on the DHR-1000 level meters. I am not sure what level that corresponds
to in standard audio DBM levels.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:52:49 +0800
From: Em
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: midi files to audio
Message-ID:
Hi,
So far, the only program that I 've come across is "Rebirth"
http://www.steinberg.com
Which allows you to convert midi to audio...apparently, there is away with
Quicktime
but, I have'nt tried it meself :)
Hope this helps
Em
>>>I could of course play midi in quicktime out to speakers, record to tape,
>>>then recapture the audio from tape as a wav (yucch).
>>>
>
>Surely this would be the way to do it ? The tone of the instruments that
>you have chosen and prepared your piece on must be essential to your
>composition.
>You dont need to go out to the speakers, just a line-out from your mixer /
>amp and in to your recording device will do it.
>
>eric from Oz
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:20:41 -0700
From: Adam Wilt
To: DV-L
Subject: Re: Best DV Projector
Message-ID: <3B6A2699.38471AE3@flash.net>
> > Suggestions on the best projector for the job?
>
> I'd just like to add that choice of a really good line doubler is
> *equally* important if you wish to maximize the quality of your display
The DLP-based projectors from Panasonic, Christie, and Barco all have Faroudja
processing built in (it's part of the DLP engine itself) which handles
deinterlacing and upsampling to the resolution of the DMDs in use. I've run
plain old interlaced NTSC DV into a couple of high-res DLPs (we used one of
the Panasonics at the 2000 SMPTE Winter conference, and I fed it my VX1000,
and a raw DLP engine used in development) and the pix were bloody amazing.
Either a Panasonic or a Barco was used at the ITS Tech Retreat last February
and was fed DVD and DigiBeta, and the pix were likewise gorgeous. In all cases
I was able to get as close to the screen as I liked, so I could see
interlacing/upsampling problems if there were any. No problems to speak of.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:52:04 -0500
From: Scott Sanders
To:
Subject: Re: OT: GPS on Commercial Flights
Message-ID:
Hmmm well being a Private Pilot student I'm wondering what United would do
if I bought my portable GPS/HSI with with full IFR onboard. Actually I will
but I probably wouldn't boot it up. It has almost the exact same display
that a 777 has. Tells where you are what your heading is. What VOR your
flying towards your airspeed / ground speed. Also what the safe glide
distance to airports are. What airports are around. What your GPS altitude
is yada yada yada. A flight attendant sees me with that and would probably
freak. Hmmm I wonder. If pilots are so concerned with channel 9 maybe I
should bring a Nav/Com on board with a head set. That'd be amusing I hear
exactly the same thing they did as they did. Considering a lot of Pilots
keep them just incase of plane mounted nav/com failure in VFR conditions.
Just see how well he's riding his beacons. I'm assuming that this is highly
prohibited since having a near duplicate set of flight instruments in coach
would almost have to be prohibited but I'll check the FAA FARs just to see
if there really are any regs against it. Still I given the ride I've
experienced in most commercial airplanes I don't know if really want to know
what's really going on any ways!
Scott
> From: Vidiot
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:37:40 -0500 (CDT)
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: OT: GPS on Commercial Flights
>
>> If you ask me, the biggest reason they don't want you
>> to have a GPS is that you can then see how you can get
>> routed all over the place on a routine flight. They
>> don't like scanners for similar reasons. You might
>> hear something that they would rather you didn't hear.
>>
>> Mike Harpe
>
> Excuse me, but on many airlines you can listen to the flight deck on
> Channel 9 (United Airlines). While that is up to the captain to route
> that channel, I've only had one captain not do it. I ask when I get on
> the plane and one captain told me that it was already up and running.
>
> This doesn't sound like they are trying to hide anything. I've never
> heard anything, on the flights that I've been on, to indicate that "funny"
> things were happening. I enjoy listening to the flight deck. You do get
> to learn about things before captain announces it, if the captain announces
> it.
>
> Maybe my experience has been different than yours.
>
> MB
> --
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:56:09 +0500
From: Vahan Yerkanian
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: DV over tcp/ip
Message-ID: <3B6A2EE9.46ABC042@abideweb.com>
Greetings all,
I remember back at 1999 there was group showing on NAB and INET'99 their system
to pump DV stream in realtime from any source over TCP/IP networks, and get it
back
on the other side. Can some one guide me in the correct direction to find this
people? I really need this project for one of our clients to retransmit a tv
channel
from Europe to USA.
Thanks in advance,
--
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Vice President, Design & Development Website @ http://www.abideweb.com/
AbideWeb Technologies, LLC Phone +3741 238650 | Mobile +3749 416358
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