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Old May 5th, 2010, 06:28 PM   #1
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Frame Packing Demo Disc

I need to find somewhere or generate a Blu-ray demo/test disc. Could anyone suggest either where to get such disc or what S/W to use to generate one? Thanks....
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Old May 5th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #2
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Personally, I use Sony Vegas, which comes with DVD Architect, which in turn can make Blu-ray discs. Of course, you need a Blu-ray burner. I got mine from Videoguys who are sponsors of this forum and who had (and often do) a nice package deal where they sold me the burner with Sony Vegas (and some training materials) for just the price of Sony Vegas. So, effectively I got a free Blu-ray burner from them.

I also ordered an external enclosure which allows me to connect the burner to either of my two computers with USB.

And they even gave me a discount for being a member of this forum.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #3
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Final Cut Studio 3 has Blu-Ray support built-in, but it is very simple and really only suited to demo discs. Adobe also has Encore, which I have played with in the past.

Most Blu-Ray burners on the market are supported by the Mac OS even though they may not say so in their specs. Just google the model number with "Mac" to check other's experiences before you buy.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 01:11 AM   #4
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Thank you guys, I can burn Blu-ray discs with Toast. It is frame packed 3D that I need to get or generate. I can get side-by-side really well with the Stereo3D Toolbox, I have problems with "above/below", and have no clue how to generate frame packed stream. Blu-ray is just mentioned because of the players I have available and because I need 1920:1080 streams. Any suggestion is appreciated.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:06 AM   #5
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Well, I have been scratching my head about the frame packing ever since I read the HDMI 3D specification. For the above/below, are you supposed to create a 1920x2205 pixel frame with 45 blank lines in the middle? That is the impression I get from the spec, but I am not sure.

But just because that is the 3D HDMI specification does not necessarily mean that is how the files should be created for 3D Blu-ray. I do not know. Any clarification would be nice. Because if I knew how it is supposed to work, programming it would make it much easier.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 08:20 AM   #6
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I hope this thread gets a lot of good responses since this subject is unclear to me and a demo disc with different formats on it would be nice. From what I am understanding the standard 2D version of a video must exist on the Blu-ray just for backwards compatibility, and I am assuming the other eye view exists as well. When the Blu-ray player is commanded to play in 3D it would assemble the frames in a proper 1.4 format and apparently all 3DTVs can work with any of the several formats that the 1.4 can encapsulate. My use of terms is probably a bit off, and certainly there are some members here that must understand the intricaies of a 3D Blu-ray content and will share their knowledge.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 12:16 PM   #7
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I understand that blu-ray 3D HD will only be distributed in frame-packing format, so right now only the demo discs distributed with 3D hardware are the source of frame-packed 3D video. To my knowledge no commercial disc has been released yet.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 01:07 AM   #8
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Thanks, Pavle. So next time I get a chance to work on Bororo 3D (I am working on something else now, so it is hard to switch back to it), I will add the option of compositing packed frames, though it will be somewhat of a hack unless I can figure out how to change the frame size from within a plug-in (Sony's plug-in documentation is very outdated, almost as if they did not want people to make their software more attractive to prospective customers).
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Old May 15th, 2010, 09:20 AM   #9
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That would be outstanding. That would also make Bororo quite unique. Please post when you get the chance to implement it. Thank you for considering it.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 02:49 PM   #10
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OK I just slapped down a deposit on the 50 inch Panasonic 3D TV and will pick it up next week together with the Panasonic 3d Blu-ray player.

So now the fun begins. How do I burn a 3D Blu-Ray dvd? I have the footage on the mac. I can view the footage on my PC through nVidia shutter glasses onto a 24 inch Alienware 3D monitor. Buut how do I get this onto a Blu-ray dvd to show at exhibitions?

Mac based. Use a LG Blu-ray burner which works perfectly.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 04:47 PM   #11
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I am not sure about it with the Panasonic TV, but I see no reason why it would not play side-by-side or over/under streams, since it has to be able to do that for broadcast anyway. Other brands can do it. The 3D BD player might refuse to play anything but frame-packed streams in 3D, but it will not know what the other types of streams are in 2D, so if the TV can be set for the other methods, you should have no problem, except for reduced resolution. I needed the frame packed stream for a particular test, because that is what Blu-ray is (will be) using to get the max resolution from 3D discs. Otherwise get your streams to a PC, convert the formats and try Adam's scripts ( Producing 3D files in AviSynth ). I burn my BDs with Toast on Mac and Vegas on PCs. Of course you would have to control the TV manually, because I don't know how to add the necessary stream headers on the BD to make the in-format switching automatic.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 06:33 PM   #12
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Pavle, I do not own the Mac, so I may be totally off here. But I was under the impression that the MacOS was essentially a custom version of FreeBSD. If so, could you run AviSynth on the Mac under Wine?
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 07:07 PM   #13
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Ahoj Adame. It should be also possible. With Intel Mac and bootcamp, one can install windows and all should run as well. The H/W architectures of those machines are not very different, but I just use two computers, so that I have less subtle compatibilities do fight. I have the H/W anyway. The problem is that the h.264 or aic or whatever in .mov container still have to be converted to some .avi file for Windows to deal with it, but AviSynth probably has some scripts for that as well, there seems to be a lot of good scripts for it.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 10:51 PM   #14
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I meant as a possible solution for Steve since he has the footage on a Mac. Though I have now re-read his message and see that he has a PC as well. In that case it is probably best to just use the PC for AviSynth.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 05:11 AM   #15
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Hi Adam, I took a look at what you had written and thanks for doing it but to me it is gibberish and way above my head. I have no idea what all that stuff you wrote means sorry to say!

All I want to do is make a 3d Blu ray DVD.
Stage 1. Do this.
Stage 2. Do that.
Stage 3. Tweak this
Stage
Stage.....
Final stage. Press that and burn 3D Blu Ray DVD.
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