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Old July 16th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #16
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What I know by now and from what I have seen in trainings videos 6.5 has similar capabilities with regard to the stereoscopic plugin. Maybe Edius has more encoders that can render to side-by-side full or top-bottom-full, but as said the MVC based 3D-Blu-ray authoring is missing. In terms of preview capabilities also of MVC-files Edius is great.

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... In terms of compositing - here Vegas wins.....
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I converted some of my (originally 60i) footage to MVC in Vegas Platinum after transferring originally Edius 6.5 edited L/R Canopus HQX 10 bit files there. The files look very good from Edius on big screen TV, but look awfully juddery after the final conversion (by Vegas Platinum) to 24/48p, for the final frame packed output out of the BD player. The final resolution and image quality is much worse as well. The individual frames look like as these are poorly de-interlaced, maybe due to the de-interlacing as well as due to the temporal conversion (60i to 24p). Is that a general issue due to originally capturing the video in 60i or am I doing something wrong?

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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #17
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Re: Edius 6.5 available!

There are two issues:

- the conversion from 1080 60i to 1080 24p is not really an easy one. And also Vegas is not great there.
- the second issue could be the different settings you have to use in Vegas. Deinterlacing in the project properties must be set to blend or interpolate, maybe you have it at none?

It is easier to convert 1080 60i to 720 60p but not to 1080 24p. I would go for that.

More, I would not use the Canopus HQX codec, since this codec is for 10 bit - but we are talking about 8bit footage. So use the Canopus HQ codec.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #18
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Thank you. I will try to follow your suggestions. I did try 1080-60i sbs, in DVD Architect, which looks great. That is my fallback, but I cannot get the metadata so that the tv automatically switches to 3D, must do it manually. Vegas only lets me setup frame packing ( mvc) or 2d sbs - with the aforementioned manual override required at the tv. The mvc files set the tv into 3d mode automatically but so far the quality was inferior.

In Edius 6.5 demo version I couldn't even get playable 3dbd. I am using FireWire connected burner, and Edius crashes always right after rendering the files. Vegas and DVD Architect work fine for me.

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Old July 18th, 2012, 03:09 AM   #19
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I'd also like to know how to get the TV to switch automatically to 3D mode without spending $50k on a full BD production suite...
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Old July 18th, 2012, 04:53 AM   #20
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If you render in Vegas a 3D-BD using the MVC 720 60p template in the Sony AVC-encoder, and playback such an ISO, a 3D HDTV will switch to 3D automatically. That will happen for 3D-BD with profile 5 only.

For sbs-half or top-bottom-half that is not possible, since that is "seen" as 2D footage by the player and the HDTV. Here you have to do that manually.

By the way, if you present such a video with a passiv display, it is better to render to top-bottom-half but not to side-by-side half. That is due to the way how the passive display works. With passive displays you will end up with the half resolution anyway.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #21
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Most of the 3D controlls are really fine - similar to Vegas, some parts superior, some parts I have not seen yet (e.g. how to adjust a track).
Can someone explain what this means: "how to adjust a track"?
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Old July 18th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #22
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Her I mean that I use the stereoscopic plugin for Vegas at the level of a track, not of an clip. of sequence (what is possible in Edius). Using keyframes, I adjust the convergence and so on at the track level.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #23
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Her I mean that I use the stereoscopic plugin for Vegas at the level of a track, not of an clip. of sequence (what is possible in Edius). Using keyframes, I adjust the convergence and so on at the track level.
Interesting. I'm trying to wrap my brain around that, since in my (brief) experience, every shot has a different HIT, etc. I'm curious what the advantage of a "track level" convergence control is?
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Old July 19th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #24
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Aaah, I see what you mean, apply plugin to track, and then change settings with keyframes for each clip as it occurs on the track - sort of continuous adjustment over time. I guess if you attach events to clips, the changes move with the clip, if you change say, the edit order... am I right here? This is a standard Vegas approach as many track level plugs are realtime, many clip level filters need a render - if I remember correctly.

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Old July 29th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #25
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Yes, keyframes that are used to adjust convergence or geometric settings will move with clips to a limited extend in Vegas - you can link them to the event in some cases. That works for trimming clips. So it can be done, even if one must take care since there are limitations.

A separate endering is not required, that is realtime if your PC is strong enough.

One advantage is that I can see how the adjustment looks like over the full film. So I see if there are significant changes with a new clip, for example in convergence changes or jumps - you simply see that. Another advantage is that handling is easier - I apply the filter one time for the track, and not for every clip. But it is also a question about how you wish to edit your footage.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #26
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How do I input video from a low cost camcorder which is already SBS squeezed, and edit it a stereoscopic with Edius?
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Old August 6th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #27
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I think you can import it as one file - but assume that you have to set the file properties to sbs-half.
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Old August 6th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #28
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I must be doing something wrong, because when I do it, and then set stereoscopic mode, SBS, I get 4 images SBS.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 02:41 AM   #29
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I can try to test that later in my system. At the moment I have no access to my system.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #30
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Perhaps use the LAYOUT in EDIUS, and unsqueaze and resize the clip.
( I do this in FCP using Distort and re-size)
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