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Old July 1st, 2012, 08:52 AM   #1
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As far as I see, there seems to be no MVC-encoder for 3D-Blu-ray. Yes it seems to be true - if User of a TD10 ask for the MVC export with Edius 6.5, the answer is that they should use sbs full or top-bottom full - and then use other tools for the MVC-3D-BD authoring. Tools like the PD10:

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It is a shame that they have not build in an MVC-Encoder. ;(

I would tend to use Vegas Moviestudio HD Platinum for that, depends if one wishes to have menus or not with his 3D BD.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 10:05 AM   #2
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Here's a little thing post produced in Edius with a little help from some other software - it was made purely as an experimental piece, and shot in less than 20 minutes.

The music is beautiful, Xuefei's playing is truly amazing.

Xufei Yang Bach Violin Concerto G minor Snow-Mix 3D - YouTube

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Old July 2nd, 2012, 10:20 AM   #3
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Content has been blocked in the USA.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 10:32 AM   #4
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Oh, yes of course, it's the music licence - I'll upload it to the EMI youtube channel, then it should be fine.

Sorry about that!

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Old July 2nd, 2012, 12:26 PM   #5
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Re: Edius 6.5 available!

Wolfgang, you have a significant experience with "Vegas", can you compare it's functions/features with the Edius 6.5? I have been still sticking with the Final Cut, because I still see better video output out of it. Thanks.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM   #6
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Re: Edius 6.5 available!

Well, I can try to do so. I have used Edius 6.0 in the past as my backup system beside Vegas, and have not tested Edius 6.5 yet. So it will take some time. At least I will install the trial to see if it works with my system.

What I know by now and from what I have seen in trainings videos 6.5 has similar capabilities with regard to the stereoscopic plugin. Maybe Edius has more encoders that can render to side-by-side full or top-bottom-full, but as said the MVC based 3D-Blu-ray authoring is missing. In terms of preview capabilities also of MVC-files Edius is great.

But as said, it may take me some time to test that.

In terms of the general functions: in the audio section Vegas is much stronger. Authoring to SD-DVD and 2D-Blu-ray - here is Vegas stronger. In terms of preview quality - here is Edius better. In terms of compositing - here Vegas wins. In terms of codecs and encoder quality - Vegas is good in terms of encoder quality, Edius is here great too, but with the Canopus HQ and now HQX codec it offers better codecs. Generally spoken, Edius focus itself more to the editing step, but not so much to steps like authoring. While Vegas includes also other parts like authoring or audio editing.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 10:51 AM   #7
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Re: Edius 6.5 available!

Interesting, thanks for posting this comparison.

You also said;
"But with the Canopus HQ and now HQX codec it offers better codecs."

Would this improve the output quality comparison (specs & subjective) with MAC based 3D output?

I am corresponding with B&H of getting an ASUS 3D-capable laptop, that can also handle a single, shutter-based 3D projector.
The next decision will be choosing between Edius or Vagas.

It is very unfortunate, but MAC itself will probably never be offering a 3D screen laptop, or native 3D software, etc.)
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 03:51 PM   #8
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The advantage of the Canopus HQ codec is, that it is the best intermediate codec I have seen. Maybe the HQX is similar - for 10bit. So, if you work with a lot of render generations in your workflow, that has a clear advantage since you maintain the qualit in a great way. If you do not work with a lot of render generations, even the native editing of the todays consumer codecs AVCHD with a poor color sampling of 4:2:2 is good enough for most cases. Even Grass Valley had the approach that they edit AVCHD native today.

So the answer is: it depends.

I cannot tell you anything about how Edius runs with a Mac, since I have no experience here.

The decision of an Editor is not only a technical question - there are trial versions that you should use. Make a image of your system before you install them, and test both NLEs - but be aware that this takes time.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 12:01 PM   #9
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Update:

Can anyone StateSide and Europe mainland test this new link?

Thanks

Here's a little thing post produced in Edius with a little help from some other software - it was made purely as an experimental piece, and shot in less than 20 minutes.

The music is beautiful, Xuefei's playing is truly amazing.

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Old July 4th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #10
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For me the link works (Austria, Europe).
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Old July 4th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #11
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Works great in California.
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Old July 5th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #12
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also works in NY
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Old July 6th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #13
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Thanks everyone - good to know it's clear of the copyright control now, as it should be.

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Old July 9th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #14
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Re: Edius 6.5 available!

So, I have installed Edius 6.5 - have received the software yesterday from my dealer, and installed it now. It works fine with my nvidia 3D vision, the preview quality is really great. Both in terms of picture quality, but also in terms of preview speed. Most of the 3D controlls are really fine - similar to Vegas, some parts superior, some parts I have not seen yet (e.g. how to adjust a track). All together a fine system.

The AVCHD 4.2 converter is a nice software - here you can convert to the Canopus HQ codec, side-by-side (half), but also L and R as separate files. For our TD1 fans that is great - if they wish to use this tool to convert and pair again - also in Vegas that works fine, but also in Edius.

My first impression: beside the drawaback that we miss a MVC-encoder, the software has become really good for 3D editing. That is my first impression.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #15
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Re: Edius 6.5 available!

Thank you Wolfgang and Paul. You are truly helpful.
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