HDV Output settings for CS3

Damon Gaskin · September 6th, 2007, 04:44 PM

Exactly, it's like a no win situation until you can purchase a HD burner and burn the HD content in it's native and higher bitrate. This is the option I am holding out for to be honest. In the meantime, I am after trying the frameserve going to stick with my output.

Daniel: I am not sure to be honest. It was weird what it did. It actually looked worse upon the encode which I did in the Cinemacraft Basic. It also distorted the audio very badly. I am thinking it is a possibility(maybe remote) that it may be a conflict with the Matrox hardware/drivers. Though, I am not sure and somewhat doubt it. I just don't want to crash the system experimenting, so I simply uninstalled it. But all I did was change to the YUV2 and thats it. I let it frameserve, brought the file into Cinemacraft Basic, encoded like usual and that was it. But yup, it did look worse than the I-frame. Alot worse unfortunately.

Greg Rothschild · September 7th, 2007, 06:26 PM

I downloaded Aspect HD (Cineform) and tried that out. The resulting file looks very good but I'd have to look at two monitors side by side to tell if it's any better than the wmv file I made a few days ago. The file size is three times as big as the wmv file, which is not important for a DVD but just thought I'd mention it.
After burning the DVD the video looks just ok on a 57" hd tv-- pretty much the same as the DVD made with a wmv file instead of the Cineform avi. Ah well- it's good practice.

Kevin Shaw · September 7th, 2007, 09:14 PM

Have any of you tried encoding directly back to the native HDV format from your editing timeline, and if so how was the quality of that approach in CS3? That's what I've been doing from Edius and the results look fine when played on a Sony Playstation 3 to a 1080p HDTV.

Julian Maytum · September 13th, 2007, 08:43 AM

The problem with going back out to HDV is it is an mpeg format which is horrible for compression and re-compression.

I was playing with Huffyuv again but it gives me major errors in vista so I am back to the drawing board and think I am going to try uncompressed .avi for awhile until I have more time to play with it all.

Julian

Greg Rothschild · September 13th, 2007, 08:59 AM

I'd appreciate a report on how that goes Julian. The one time I exported an uncompressed file it was so big I thought it was a mistake. 5 minutes of edited video came out to over 40gigs!

Douglas Turner · September 17th, 2007, 12:46 AM

I've been using DebugMode Frameserver to export my Cineform Aspect HD project to TMPGEnc... looks great and gets around having to have huge files hanging around on your harddisk.

Julian Maytum · September 17th, 2007, 10:32 AM

Greg: I gave up on Huffyuv as I was getting comm errors in vista. I searched all over the place but wasn't able to solve the problem (tried an earlier version) and Nero wasn't installed along with all the other possible solutions.

I've given up to be honest for now and I am just exporting right to DVD mpeg2 from the Adobe timeline.

Hopefully soon I can afford cineform but I hate parting with that kind of money just to be able to output from Premiere.. ah well :)

Julian

Tup Wright · September 19th, 2007, 12:23 PM

Dare I say it...I had a pleasant output in 720p HD from the newest Divx. Way better experience than QT or WM and it works like an avi codec. I just used the free version and chose their High Definition profile from premiere's export movie. The Divx player works great in full screen 720p on my laptop. And its cross platform (mac and pc).

I don't know if I would use it as an archival format, but it looks good for playback and works.

Julian I think I told you earlier to try out HuffYUV, I had crashes on XP with version 2.2, but 2.11 works for me. I use it for my archival format.

Last week, I used it for a client that wanted to have the HD video loop at their booth at a convention from a laptop to a HDTV, I think via dvi. I gave them a DVD and divx. I think the divx file looked a lot better at full screen. And the divx player didn't have any garbage associated with it, just alt+enter and full screen looping. And the player had the right adjustments for 16x9.

tup

Julian Maytum · September 20th, 2007, 08:23 AM

I`ve kind of given up for now. I just archive all my raw footage to DVD (dual layer if need be) and export my created content to my preferred format for the project and will worry about creating and exporting a working format later on.

September 7th, 2007, 06:26 PM	#32
Greg Rothschild Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 120	I downloaded Aspect HD (Cineform) and tried that out. The resulting file looks very good but I'd have to look at two monitors side by side to tell if it's any better than the wmv file I made a few days ago. The file size is three times as big as the wmv file, which is not important for a DVD but just thought I'd mention it. After burning the DVD the video looks just ok on a 57" hd tv-- pretty much the same as the DVD made with a wmv file instead of the Cineform avi. Ah well- it's good practice. __________________ Greg Rothschild Photography http://www.gregrothschild.com

September 13th, 2007, 08:59 AM	#35
Greg Rothschild Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 120	I'd appreciate a report on how that goes Julian. The one time I exported an uncompressed file it was so big I thought it was a mistake. 5 minutes of edited video came out to over 40gigs! __________________ Greg Rothschild Photography http://www.gregrothschild.com

September 17th, 2007, 12:46 AM	#36
Douglas Turner Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 132	I've been using DebugMode Frameserver to export my Cineform Aspect HD project to TMPGEnc... looks great and gets around having to have huge files hanging around on your harddisk. __________________ Doug Turner http://therunsmovie.com

September 19th, 2007, 12:23 PM	#38
Tup Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 83	Dare I say it...I had a pleasant output in 720p HD from the newest Divx. Way better experience than QT or WM and it works like an avi codec. I just used the free version and chose their High Definition profile from premiere's export movie. The Divx player works great in full screen 720p on my laptop. And its cross platform (mac and pc). I don't know if I would use it as an archival format, but it looks good for playback and works. Julian I think I told you earlier to try out HuffYUV, I had crashes on XP with version 2.2, but 2.11 works for me. I use it for my archival format. Last week, I used it for a client that wanted to have the HD video loop at their booth at a convention from a laptop to a HDTV, I think via dvi. I gave them a DVD and divx. I think the divx file looked a lot better at full screen. And the divx player didn't have any garbage associated with it, just alt+enter and full screen looping. And the player had the right adjustments for 16x9. tup Last edited by Tup Wright; September 19th, 2007 at 03:06 PM.

September 20th, 2007, 08:23 AM	#39
Julian Maytum Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mount Pearl, NL, Canada Posts: 69	I`ve kind of given up for now. I just archive all my raw footage to DVD (dual layer if need be) and export my created content to my preferred format for the project and will worry about creating and exporting a working format later on. __________________ Julian Maytum www.MyWebMovie.com

September 6th, 2007, 04:44 PM	#31
Damon Gaskin Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn Hills, USA Posts: 217	Exactly, it's like a no win situation until you can purchase a HD burner and burn the HD content in it's native and higher bitrate. This is the option I am holding out for to be honest. In the meantime, I am after trying the frameserve going to stick with my output. Daniel: I am not sure to be honest. It was weird what it did. It actually looked worse upon the encode which I did in the Cinemacraft Basic. It also distorted the audio very badly. I am thinking it is a possibility(maybe remote) that it may be a conflict with the Matrox hardware/drivers. Though, I am not sure and somewhat doubt it. I just don't want to crash the system experimenting, so I simply uninstalled it. But all I did was change to the YUV2 and thats it. I let it frameserve, brought the file into Cinemacraft Basic, encoded like usual and that was it. But yup, it did look worse than the I-frame. Alot worse unfortunately.

September 7th, 2007, 09:14 PM	#33
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	Have any of you tried encoding directly back to the native HDV format from your editing timeline, and if so how was the quality of that approach in CS3? That's what I've been doing from Edius and the results look fine when played on a Sony Playstation 3 to a 1080p HDTV.

September 13th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#34
Julian Maytum Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mount Pearl, NL, Canada Posts: 69	The problem with going back out to HDV is it is an mpeg format which is horrible for compression and re-compression. I was playing with Huffyuv again but it gives me major errors in vista so I am back to the drawing board and think I am going to try uncompressed .avi for awhile until I have more time to play with it all. Julian

September 17th, 2007, 10:32 AM	#37
Julian Maytum Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mount Pearl, NL, Canada Posts: 69	Greg: I gave up on Huffyuv as I was getting comm errors in vista. I searched all over the place but wasn't able to solve the problem (tried an earlier version) and Nero wasn't installed along with all the other possible solutions. I've given up to be honest for now and I am just exporting right to DVD mpeg2 from the Adobe timeline. Hopefully soon I can afford cineform but I hate parting with that kind of money just to be able to output from Premiere.. ah well :) Julian