Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2006

Kyle Ringin · September 27th, 2006, 11:36 PM

Hi George,
My TV has a setting to do the same thing - 'Panorama'
FWIW it can be OK but is distracting when you pan, and if you are having composition with subjects set 1/3 or less from the frame edge.

Sorry - can't help with the plugins.

Cheers.

George Odell · September 28th, 2006, 08:38 AM

Kyle:

Funny you should be the one to reply first. This all came about because I'm shooting some material for Australian television. The producer is requiring 16:9 since all TV is 16:9 in your country. Is this really the case?

Currently I'm needing to rent a camera to complete the work but they did
offer to look at a conversion from 4:3 to 16:9.

Wes Coughlin · September 28th, 2006, 09:08 AM

I prefer not to normalize audio in premiere (does not seem to work right all the time). I would start with the audio mixer and get as close as you can to what you want. Then export audio only, bring it into adobe audition (or back into premiere), and normalize that audio clip.

Exporting to tape, just plug in camera, set to VCR mode, and click export to tape.

Wayne Joy · September 28th, 2006, 03:05 PM

As far as I know there is no difference between the "Educational" and regular version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Pelley

Greetings from the newbie,

This definitely is a quantum leap up from version 6.5 which I was using for some time.I could only afford the "educational" version.Are there any differences between this and the full blown retail version which lists for $500 more?

My opening question to the forum is this:

My goal is to have the entire audiotrack be uniform in both quality and amptitude.Yes,I know how to normalize clip by clip but not the whole project at once.Is that possible and if so how is that done?I ask that because right now the individual clips & segments on the timeframe have varying levels of audio.They all need to be the same,i.e. normalized.

The follow up question is when exporting a completed project to tape,is there a combination of settings to make sure is enabled/active or something I should do before I select export to tape or will it just port over seemlessly and flawlessly without any futher ado?

Thanks,
Bruce

Ryan Manes · September 28th, 2006, 04:46 PM

I shot some footage for a client and gave it to them on a HDD, they are editing in Premiere Pro 2 and can't figure out how to import it.

We are a mac based post facility so I have no idea how Premiere handles this.

According to Adobes web site it will except P2 MXF, but they don't explain how to do it. The clients not an editor and I can't convince them to just let us edit it.

Does anyone no how to import MXF Files into Premiere Pro 2 off a HDD

Kyle Ringin · September 29th, 2006, 12:13 AM

George,
I wouldn't say all TV is 16:9, but almost all new programs are broadcast 16:9 on digital (HD and/or SD) and while analogue used to always be full frame 4:3, more and more is being shown letterboxed to 14:9 - Although the only time I watch analogue is when I visit my folks so that might not be current anymore.
Personally I hate watching a good, new program in 4:3 - especially on my widescreen TV...

BTW regarding the panorama thing - I thought I'd use it a fair bit, but I found I didn't really like it. If I get a DVD or something that is 4:3 I just watch it in 4:3. Panorama is too distracting, I'm always watching the edges of the frame to see what's out of proportion.

Cheers.

Matt Ramphal · September 29th, 2006, 10:51 AM

Is this a problem? I've read various reports,most saying it doesn't matter...Although I'm not sure....

I've just discovered the option to do custom project settings...Is it better to start from the DVX 24p setting, and just change the framerate to 29.97?

Will that give me a proper capture????

Thanks...

Eric Lagerlof · September 29th, 2006, 03:43 PM

Wayne, the problem with normalizing a clip in PPRo is that it looks at the highest level in the clip and lifts the audio gain in the clip enough to bring that highest bit to 0db. For example, you record people around a table and most of the dialog is very low but someone thumps a glass down on the table loudly. Normalizing the clip may bring the gain down to make sure the thump of the glass is at and not above 0db, making the dialog even quieter. Just to say, unless the audio levels are consistent, longer clips may give you more problems when normalizing.

You can normalize long clips in the project window before they get cut up in the timeline, and that will save you having to normalize each smaller instance of the clip later.

You might want to explore the compressor as well for level adjustments. Having said that, and keeping in mind that I agree with the above post about using the mixer, you can, in PPro, use the expanded mixer and set dynamic effects in the track mixer. That will set the effect for the whole track as opposed to doing it for an individual clip.

Bart Walczak · September 30th, 2006, 06:32 PM

What for?

If you need it, you can try exporting the edited footage and then replacing the sequence with the rendered version but you loose the editability then.

Jason Leonard · October 1st, 2006, 01:49 PM

i've asked this once before, but i have to bring it up once more.
notice the lines in this frame grab, i cant get rid of them.
i dont know if it's happening on capture or what.
i am about to prepare for my cut and ingest all of this stuff for my flick and i obviously cant have these lines.
i've tried to export to tape and see if the lines would disappear on a standard tv but they are still visible.
anyone have any thoughts on this?
thanks in advance.

Ervin Farkas · October 1st, 2006, 02:07 PM

Are you talking about the black bars on the sides?

Jason Leonard · October 1st, 2006, 03:14 PM

yeah, sorry.
any clue?
i've been using premiere for a long time and never had this problem.
feeling stupid....

Ervin Farkas · October 2nd, 2006, 04:23 AM

I would simply increase my horizontal width.

John Sullivan · October 2nd, 2006, 09:16 PM

We have just made a sale to a TV network in New Zealand. They want Digital Betacam masters with stereo or dual mono on tracks 1 and 2 and M&E on Tks 3 and 4.
The trouble is that in the project, I have placed live location sound on audio 1 and that includes stereo and mono sound. On audio 2 I placed a mono voiceover and on audio 3 I placed stereo music.
The question is how do I get to TV requirements without a sound sweetening session using Premiere Pro 1.5?
How can I produce dual mono?

Al Ioimo · October 2nd, 2006, 10:43 PM

When I make a photo montage in Premier Pro the first thing I do is listen to the song and tag the beats and measures on the timeline. Then I tag the climax of the song. By doing this I am able to have the photos change to the beat of the music, and then let loose at a drum fill. It works really good inside Premier. However, when I burn to DVD it seems as if the drum sync does not line up when watching the finished product. What is causing this problem?

Any help would be appreciated,

Al Ioimo.

September 28th, 2006, 08:38 AM	#437
George Odell Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 270	Kyle: Funny you should be the one to reply first. This all came about because I'm shooting some material for Australian television. The producer is requiring 16:9 since all TV is 16:9 in your country. Is this really the case? Currently I'm needing to rent a camera to complete the work but they did offer to look at a conversion from 4:3 to 16:9. __________________ "the difference between an amateur photographer and a professional is the amateur shows you all his pictures"

September 28th, 2006, 09:08 AM	#438
Wes Coughlin Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 206	I prefer not to normalize audio in premiere (does not seem to work right all the time). I would start with the audio mixer and get as close as you can to what you want. Then export audio only, bring it into adobe audition (or back into premiere), and normalize that audio clip. Exporting to tape, just plug in camera, set to VCR mode, and click export to tape. __________________ http://wildlookout.com

September 28th, 2006, 04:46 PM	#440
Ryan Manes Tourist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsdale AZ Posts: 4	Premire Pro and Panasonic MXF I shot some footage for a client and gave it to them on a HDD, they are editing in Premiere Pro 2 and can't figure out how to import it. We are a mac based post facility so I have no idea how Premiere handles this. According to Adobes web site it will except P2 MXF, but they don't explain how to do it. The clients not an editor and I can't convince them to just let us edit it. Does anyone no how to import MXF Files into Premiere Pro 2 off a HDD

September 29th, 2006, 10:51 AM	#442
Matt Ramphal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 27	Capturing DVX 30p footage as 24P Is this a problem? I've read various reports,most saying it doesn't matter...Although I'm not sure.... I've just discovered the option to do custom project settings...Is it better to start from the DVX 24p setting, and just change the framerate to 29.97? Will that give me a proper capture???? Thanks...

October 1st, 2006, 01:49 PM	#445
Jason Leonard Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NY Posts: 83	more lines i've asked this once before, but i have to bring it up once more. notice the lines in this frame grab, i cant get rid of them. i dont know if it's happening on capture or what. i am about to prepare for my cut and ingest all of this stuff for my flick and i obviously cant have these lines. i've tried to export to tape and see if the lines would disappear on a standard tv but they are still visible. anyone have any thoughts on this? thanks in advance. Attached Thumbnails

September 27th, 2006, 11:36 PM	#436
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Hi George, My TV has a setting to do the same thing - 'Panorama' FWIW it can be OK but is distracting when you pan, and if you are having composition with subjects set 1/3 or less from the frame edge. Sorry - can't help with the plugins. Cheers.

September 29th, 2006, 12:13 AM	#441
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	George, I wouldn't say all TV is 16:9, but almost all new programs are broadcast 16:9 on digital (HD and/or SD) and while analogue used to always be full frame 4:3, more and more is being shown letterboxed to 14:9 - Although the only time I watch analogue is when I visit my folks so that might not be current anymore. Personally I hate watching a good, new program in 4:3 - especially on my widescreen TV... BTW regarding the panorama thing - I thought I'd use it a fair bit, but I found I didn't really like it. If I get a DVD or something that is 4:3 I just watch it in 4:3. Panorama is too distracting, I'm always watching the edges of the frame to see what's out of proportion. Cheers.

September 29th, 2006, 03:43 PM	#443
Eric Lagerlof Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 348	Wayne, the problem with normalizing a clip in PPRo is that it looks at the highest level in the clip and lifts the audio gain in the clip enough to bring that highest bit to 0db. For example, you record people around a table and most of the dialog is very low but someone thumps a glass down on the table loudly. Normalizing the clip may bring the gain down to make sure the thump of the glass is at and not above 0db, making the dialog even quieter. Just to say, unless the audio levels are consistent, longer clips may give you more problems when normalizing. You can normalize long clips in the project window before they get cut up in the timeline, and that will save you having to normalize each smaller instance of the clip later. You might want to explore the compressor as well for level adjustments. Having said that, and keeping in mind that I agree with the above post about using the mixer, you can, in PPro, use the expanded mixer and set dynamic effects in the track mixer. That will set the effect for the whole track as opposed to doing it for an individual clip.

September 30th, 2006, 06:32 PM	#444
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	What for? If you need it, you can try exporting the edited footage and then replacing the sequence with the rendered version but you loose the editability then.

October 1st, 2006, 02:07 PM	#446
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Are you talking about the black bars on the sides? __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

October 1st, 2006, 03:14 PM	#447
Jason Leonard Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NY Posts: 83	yeah, sorry. any clue? i've been using premiere for a long time and never had this problem. feeling stupid....

October 2nd, 2006, 04:23 AM	#448
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	I would simply increase my horizontal width. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

October 2nd, 2006, 09:16 PM	#449
John Sullivan New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17	M&E track requirement We have just made a sale to a TV network in New Zealand. They want Digital Betacam masters with stereo or dual mono on tracks 1 and 2 and M&E on Tks 3 and 4. The trouble is that in the project, I have placed live location sound on audio 1 and that includes stereo and mono sound. On audio 2 I placed a mono voiceover and on audio 3 I placed stereo music. The question is how do I get to TV requirements without a sound sweetening session using Premiere Pro 1.5? How can I produce dual mono?

October 2nd, 2006, 10:43 PM	#450
Al Ioimo New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chino Hills Ca Posts: 19	Synchronizing audio and video When I make a photo montage in Premier Pro the first thing I do is listen to the song and tag the beats and measures on the timeline. Then I tag the climax of the song. By doing this I am able to have the photos change to the beat of the music, and then let loose at a drum fill. It works really good inside Premier. However, when I burn to DVD it seems as if the drum sync does not line up when watching the finished product. What is causing this problem? Any help would be appreciated, Al Ioimo.