when to color correct... at DVinfo.net

Josh Hoffman · April 6th, 2006, 10:14 PM

Hey everyone,

I'm working on a video that will have quite a bit of special effects that need to blend in with the environment of the video.

Should I put the effects in the footage and have them incorporated with the original footage THEN color correct...

...or should I color correct then do all my graphics?

-Josh

Emre Safak · April 6th, 2006, 10:24 PM

First, I would ensure that the lighting on the SFX matches the footage as much as possible. Then I would do the color correction at the time of compositing (i.e., use a color correction filter when you insert an element into a shot).

Kevin Janisch · April 7th, 2006, 01:04 PM

Josh,

It is best to do your effects before color correction because any color correcting (especially miniDV) degrades the image quality and will essentially give you much less to work with in terms of resolution. Also consider the fact that if you did the effects work, composites, etc after color correcting and then you decide to tweek your color correcting (and chances are you will), then you'll have to redo the effects work to match the changes.

Kevin

Joshua Provost · April 11th, 2006, 11:43 AM

Kevin, color correcting in no way degrades the resolution. There is a limit to how far you can correct DV footage due to the limited colorspace, but resolution is not affected.

Josh... Personally, I like to treat my digital video as film. Film is color corrected after processing, before editing, though sometimes it has a final pass of color correction later. I color correct it prior to editing (or get the edit started and color correct the entire source footage later), so I am working with my final images as I edit. Much more enjoyable that way.

Whenever you do it, if you can ensure that your effects perfectly match what you are overlaying them on, you will be fine.

Kevin Janisch · April 11th, 2006, 08:19 PM

Well, let me clarify. If you color correct and crush your blacks, blow out highlights, or punch up your colors you may lose detail, detail that you may need to do convincing composites, etc.

Kevin

Miguel Lombana · April 12th, 2006, 09:00 PM

Is there a tutorial or cheat sheet that anyone has come across or can help me with regarding how to correctly color correct.

I've used the white balance preset in my Canopus setup to fix a couple of disparit clips but I'd like to learn how to correctly color correct clips.

Anyone?
Miguel

Kevin Janisch · April 13th, 2006, 03:09 PM

"Color Correction for Digital Video" by Hullfish and Fowler is the one you want.

Herojig Gaton · April 15th, 2006, 07:26 AM

So I guess based in the info here, I should ? if using Sythentics Color Finesse...i was using it to get a more film like look on clips of people, and assumed the correction played out on all the clip's effects on the timeline. Is there anyone else here using this plugin for color correction?

And if anyone can point me in the right direction re: I am creating music videos that will eventually go to local TV channel. Do I do a broadcast color correction somewhere in the workflow? thanks!!!!
jigs

Emre Safak · April 15th, 2006, 08:37 AM

There is little that Color Finesse can do over your regular Curves tool to make your video look more film-like. CF simply makes it easier (I know I am simplifying). I assume we are talking about DV.

April 6th, 2006, 10:14 PM	#1
Josh Hoffman New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Athens, Oh Posts: 6	when to color correct... Hey everyone, I'm working on a video that will have quite a bit of special effects that need to blend in with the environment of the video. Should I put the effects in the footage and have them incorporated with the original footage THEN color correct... ...or should I color correct then do all my graphics? -Josh

April 11th, 2006, 11:43 AM	#4
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Kevin, color correcting in no way degrades the resolution. There is a limit to how far you can correct DV footage due to the limited colorspace, but resolution is not affected. Josh... Personally, I like to treat my digital video as film. Film is color corrected after processing, before editing, though sometimes it has a final pass of color correction later. I color correct it prior to editing (or get the edit started and color correct the entire source footage later), so I am working with my final images as I edit. Much more enjoyable that way. Whenever you do it, if you can ensure that your effects perfectly match what you are overlaying them on, you will be fine. __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

April 12th, 2006, 09:00 PM	#6
Miguel Lombana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Litchfield Park, AZ (W/of Phoenix) Posts: 502	Color Correction Made Easy Is there a tutorial or cheat sheet that anyone has come across or can help me with regarding how to correctly color correct. I've used the white balance preset in my Canopus setup to fix a couple of disparit clips but I'd like to learn how to correctly color correct clips. Anyone? Miguel __________________ Miguel Lombana http://www.miguellombana.com & http://www.phoenixhamradio.com

April 15th, 2006, 07:26 AM	#8
Herojig Gaton Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: taiwan Posts: 30	Using Color Finesse for color correction... So I guess based in the info here, I should ? if using Sythentics Color Finesse...i was using it to get a more film like look on clips of people, and assumed the correction played out on all the clip's effects on the timeline. Is there anyone else here using this plugin for color correction? And if anyone can point me in the right direction re: I am creating music videos that will eventually go to local TV channel. Do I do a broadcast color correction somewhere in the workflow? thanks!!!! jigs __________________ All Mac Studio in Nepal

April 6th, 2006, 10:24 PM	#2
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	First, I would ensure that the lighting on the SFX matches the footage as much as possible. Then I would do the color correction at the time of compositing (i.e., use a color correction filter when you insert an element into a shot).

April 7th, 2006, 01:04 PM	#3
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	Josh, It is best to do your effects before color correction because any color correcting (especially miniDV) degrades the image quality and will essentially give you much less to work with in terms of resolution. Also consider the fact that if you did the effects work, composites, etc after color correcting and then you decide to tweek your color correcting (and chances are you will), then you'll have to redo the effects work to match the changes. Kevin

April 11th, 2006, 08:19 PM	#5
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	Well, let me clarify. If you color correct and crush your blacks, blow out highlights, or punch up your colors you may lose detail, detail that you may need to do convincing composites, etc. Kevin

April 13th, 2006, 03:09 PM	#7
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	"Color Correction for Digital Video" by Hullfish and Fowler is the one you want.

April 15th, 2006, 08:37 AM	#9
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	There is little that Color Finesse can do over your regular Curves tool to make your video look more film-like. CF simply makes it easier (I know I am simplifying). I assume we are talking about DV.