Panasonic P2HD and Premiere Pro

Richard Alvarez · April 4th, 2005, 03:26 PM

Kevin,

Just remember switching to FCP is a jump to MAC OS from PC. That may or may not be relevant if you have a lot of legacy programs that won't transfer.

Kevin Dooley · April 4th, 2005, 03:29 PM

Well, I'd get a machine just for editing... Since all I use now is After FX, Vegas, and DVD Architect (for editing anyways) I assume I'll just find another DVD authorer (or heck, once exported to mpg, I could just still use DVD Architect on the VT [4] machine...

Barry Green · April 4th, 2005, 04:23 PM

I'm right there with you, Kevin. I *adore* Vegas, but if they don't announce DVCPRO-HD and DVCPRO-50 support, it looks like I'll be in the market for another NLE, whether FCP, Avid Express HD, Edius, I don't know. So part of the NAB venture this month will be to scope out the landscape for editing applications.

I can't *imagine* Vegas not adding support for this though.

Aaron Shaw · April 4th, 2005, 04:28 PM

I'm in the same boat. I have Adobe Premiere Pro and Adobe hasn't been known for their fast response to customer demands.... which really sucks. Who knows though, maybe these NLEs will announce support at NAB?

Richard Alvarez · April 4th, 2005, 04:40 PM

Guys,

You have to understand where each companies paradigm comes from. I use Avid, and bought it because it has the best FILM CUTTING capabilities of any NLE. Avid comes to the table from a world of Feature Film cutting and HD editing. They still don't have HDV support, (though it's in the works for this July I believe.) Since they bought Pinnacle, it's not clear if they will use the pinnacle solution or some sort of hybrid solution.

In short, Avid has had HD support early, and will have HDV support later, because, that's what most editors who work with AVID needed.

Vegas was early on the HDV bandwagon, because they are focused on that market.

"The early bird get's the worm.... but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese."

Joe Carney · April 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM

Since Vegas is rumored to support BlackMagic Design cards in Version 6 and the link showed BMD adding dvcpro HD support, then you will have at least one option. It could also mean 10/12bit support in Vegas finally.

Uri Blumenthal · April 6th, 2005, 08:48 PM

I called Adobe tech support, and they say that without extra (3rd party) hardware, DVCPro HD editing ain't going to be pretty - if it works at all. They are gearing towards HDV, and don't have DVCPro HD codec.

That's bad news for me, as I've become a fan of Premiere Pro, and my work is on PC, not Mac.

Any comments?

Dave Eanton · July 26th, 2005, 07:50 PM

Can DVCPRO be edited on PPro? I don't really want to switch NLE's....

Peter Jefferson · July 26th, 2005, 09:24 PM

well the Digisuite running Prem6.5 does an incredible job of running multiple streams of DVCPro50, so i dont see the Axio having issues running dvcprohd... i too dont particularly want to use Prem Pro, so if it becomes a toss up of swtiching NLE's, id prolly end up using Avid instead...

Chris Hurd · July 26th, 2005, 09:29 PM

If there's support for the MXF file format, then that's one step closer to DVCPRO HD.

Jeremy M West · January 11th, 2006, 07:35 AM

We are a pretty well established Premiere Pro shop. We have some interest in the Panasonic AG-HVX200 camera for doing some HD acquisition. What kind of a workflow would we need in order to edit the DVCPRO HD clips that are recorded on either the P2 cards or an external Firestore device on a Premiere Pro timeline?

I know there is the Matrox Axio, but it's out of our price range.

I know that you can't just drag the DVCPRO HD files from the Firestore into the Premiere Timeline.

We would like to use the Cineform codec with Premiere, but how would we convert DVCPRO HD into Cineform? Is that even worth while?

Can we play the HD media off the camera and bring it in over firewire for ingest into Premiere into the Cineform codec?

Is it possible to playback the files off the camera or the Firestore and somehow convert it into an HD-SDI signal for ingest into a Premiere workstation with an HD-SDI capture card?

Thanks!
Jeremy

Philip Williams · January 11th, 2006, 08:57 AM

Try this:
http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight

I was able to convert and import some 1080i MXF files into Premiere with this. Only problem was that Premiere was quite sluggish. But it does work and you could export to other formats if desired. I think the production version of this software is coming out around the middle of the month. $195 isn't too bad.

Jim Exton · January 11th, 2006, 01:24 PM

Phillip - Can you share your computer specs for us? I am interested in seeing how much juice it is going take to use Raylight with Premiere.

Philip Williams · January 11th, 2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Exton

Phillip - Can you share your computer specs for us? I am interested in seeing how much juice it is going take to use Raylight with Premiere.

Its a dual core 2.8 Gig processor with 1 Gig ram and 7200rpm SATA system drive. XP SP2. I built this last week as my dedicated video machine, so its a fresh OS load and not bogged down with registry clutter. This same machine plays HD quicktime files without a hiccup.

When I play the proxy AVI files through Media Player I'm only getting a couple of fps too. That's with the raylight quality setting on "high". If I set it to low the files play back a lot smoother in Media Player, but they're crashing out Premiere at that setting. Maybe there's just something on my box that doesn't like raylight.

Fredrik-Larsson · January 11th, 2006, 06:14 PM

Maybe converting to Cineform Avi and using Aspect HD with Premiere is a better option? The other application on dvfilm.com do convert to Cineform.

April 4th, 2005, 03:29 PM	#17
Kevin Dooley Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 414	Well, I'd get a machine just for editing... Since all I use now is After FX, Vegas, and DVD Architect (for editing anyways) I assume I'll just find another DVD authorer (or heck, once exported to mpg, I could just still use DVD Architect on the VT [4] machine... __________________ Kevin Dooley Media Director, Pantego Bible Church

July 26th, 2005, 07:50 PM	#23
Dave Eanton Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CANADA Posts: 56	What about Premiere Pro? Can DVCPRO be edited on PPro? I don't really want to switch NLE's.... __________________ XL1s, XL2, 3x Wide lens, Matrox RTX 100 pro, Premiere Pro 1.5, After Effects 6.5, Encore, Audition

July 26th, 2005, 09:29 PM	#25
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	If there's support for the MXF file format, then that's one step closer to DVCPRO HD. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 11th, 2006, 07:35 AM	#26
Jeremy M West New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 8	DVCPRO HD in Premiere Pro? We are a pretty well established Premiere Pro shop. We have some interest in the Panasonic AG-HVX200 camera for doing some HD acquisition. What kind of a workflow would we need in order to edit the DVCPRO HD clips that are recorded on either the P2 cards or an external Firestore device on a Premiere Pro timeline? I know there is the Matrox Axio, but it's out of our price range. I know that you can't just drag the DVCPRO HD files from the Firestore into the Premiere Timeline. We would like to use the Cineform codec with Premiere, but how would we convert DVCPRO HD into Cineform? Is that even worth while? Can we play the HD media off the camera and bring it in over firewire for ingest into Premiere into the Cineform codec? Is it possible to playback the files off the camera or the Firestore and somehow convert it into an HD-SDI signal for ingest into a Premiere workstation with an HD-SDI capture card? Thanks! Jeremy

January 11th, 2006, 06:14 PM	#30
Fredrik-Larsson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 395	Maybe converting to Cineform Avi and using Aspect HD with Premiere is a better option? The other application on dvfilm.com do convert to Cineform. __________________ The Russian Captain (upcoming feature) http://trc-movie.blogspot.com/ My movies http://www.larssonfilm.com/

April 4th, 2005, 03:26 PM	#16
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Kevin, Just remember switching to FCP is a jump to MAC OS from PC. That may or may not be relevant if you have a lot of legacy programs that won't transfer.

April 4th, 2005, 04:23 PM	#18
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	I'm right there with you, Kevin. I adore Vegas, but if they don't announce DVCPRO-HD and DVCPRO-50 support, it looks like I'll be in the market for another NLE, whether FCP, Avid Express HD, Edius, I don't know. So part of the NAB venture this month will be to scope out the landscape for editing applications. I can't imagine Vegas not adding support for this though.

April 4th, 2005, 04:28 PM	#19
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	I'm in the same boat. I have Adobe Premiere Pro and Adobe hasn't been known for their fast response to customer demands.... which really sucks. Who knows though, maybe these NLEs will announce support at NAB?

April 4th, 2005, 04:40 PM	#20
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Guys, You have to understand where each companies paradigm comes from. I use Avid, and bought it because it has the best FILM CUTTING capabilities of any NLE. Avid comes to the table from a world of Feature Film cutting and HD editing. They still don't have HDV support, (though it's in the works for this July I believe.) Since they bought Pinnacle, it's not clear if they will use the pinnacle solution or some sort of hybrid solution. In short, Avid has had HD support early, and will have HDV support later, because, that's what most editors who work with AVID needed. Vegas was early on the HDV bandwagon, because they are focused on that market. "The early bird get's the worm.... but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese."

April 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM	#21
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Since Vegas is rumored to support BlackMagic Design cards in Version 6 and the link showed BMD adding dvcpro HD support, then you will have at least one option. It could also mean 10/12bit support in Vegas finally.

April 6th, 2005, 08:48 PM	#22
Uri Blumenthal New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fair Lawn, NJ Posts: 20	I called Adobe tech support, and they say that without extra (3rd party) hardware, DVCPro HD editing ain't going to be pretty - if it works at all. They are gearing towards HDV, and don't have DVCPro HD codec. That's bad news for me, as I've become a fan of Premiere Pro, and my work is on PC, not Mac. Any comments?

July 26th, 2005, 09:24 PM	#24
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	well the Digisuite running Prem6.5 does an incredible job of running multiple streams of DVCPro50, so i dont see the Axio having issues running dvcprohd... i too dont particularly want to use Prem Pro, so if it becomes a toss up of swtiching NLE's, id prolly end up using Avid instead...

January 11th, 2006, 08:57 AM	#27
Philip Williams Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 614	Try this: http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight I was able to convert and import some 1080i MXF files into Premiere with this. Only problem was that Premiere was quite sluggish. But it does work and you could export to other formats if desired. I think the production version of this software is coming out around the middle of the month. $195 isn't too bad.

January 11th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#28
Jim Exton Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Memphis Posts: 103	Phillip - Can you share your computer specs for us? I am interested in seeing how much juice it is going take to use Raylight with Premiere.