Panasonic P2HD and Premiere Pro - Page 5 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Cross-Platform Post Production Solutions > Adobe Creative Suite

Adobe Creative Suite
All about the world of Adobe Premiere and its associated plug-ins.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old May 11th, 2006, 11:01 PM   #61
Major Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Solana Beach, CA
Posts: 853
We (CineForm) have an almost-public beta just posted for the next release of Aspect HD that supports the HVX200. "Almost public" means that if you email David Newman you'll get the link - it's not yet on our public site, and won't be for a few days. See the thread in the CineForm forum: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=67198 for details.

David.
David Taylor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2006, 12:54 AM   #62
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 69
David - Is there any advantage of Aspect over Raylight ? Especially since Aspect is $300 more than Raylight ?

I have Raylight now. I use PP2.0 and Vegas on a PC platform. . . .Thanks
Vince Curtis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2006, 02:03 AM   #63
Major Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Solana Beach, CA
Posts: 853
Vince, first of all, sorry about the "missive", but I'll mention a few things:

1) Aspect HD is a real-time editing engine that displaces the native editing engine in Premiere. As part of the engine, Aspect HD has its own RT effects, transitions, motion engine, etc. When the Aspect HD engine is in operation, the Premiere interface issues "commands" to the CineForm engine. It is how we achieve performance that is about 4X faster than native Premiere performance.

2) Underneath our RT engine is our CineForm Intermediate codec which is designed for a multi-generation post workflow. Its quality is superb, and it has been used in numerous feature films. Following is a link to a quality analysis we performed a while ago comparing to a native DVCPRO HD post workflow: http://www.cineform.com/technology/H...lysis10bit.htm. That analysis was done with our 10-bit Prospect HD codec, but you definitely get the idea. For support of the HVX200 we convert the P2 files to CineForm Intermediate for higher visual fidelity through post and improved editing performance.

3) The conversion utility in Aspect HD offers numerous options for DVCPRO HD source files, including 1280 x 720 for native 960 x 720 P2 source files, and 1440 x 1080 for native P2 1280 x 1080 source files. It is then trivial to include files from multiple sources (HDV, HVX, etc) on the same editing timeline. There are many other user options available. In this link we give you a flavor of that: http://www.cineform.com/products/hvx...ort/hvx200.htm.

In comparison, Raylight is a DVCPRO HD codec with an AVI wrapper for use in PC applications. It replaces the P2 MXF wrapper with an AVI wrapper for broad PC compatibility. This technique is completely valid, and if the result meets your performance, visual quality, and feature requirements then it'll be a good solution for you.

But I think you'll find that for multi-generation post-production the visual fidelity result of CineForm Intermediate is superior to any DVCPRO HD codec because CI was designed for post, not for tape acquisition. And the performance of our RT engine can't be equalled with any other solution, including hardware based solutions.

You can try Aspect HD on a 15-day trial with full functionality to better judge for yourself. For the next few days you'll need to request the Beta release directly from David Newman as I mentioned in a post above. By sometime next week we'll have a general release that you can navigate to directly from our website.

By the way, our Connect HD is $199, and will include DVCPRO HD support in the next week or so. Connect HD has the same CineForm Intermeditate codec and conversion utility, but without the RT engine included in Aspect HD. It is targeted for all PC apps outside Premiere Pro.
David Taylor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2006, 10:56 AM   #64
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 69
Thanks for the explanation.

I appreciate the HVX200 support for this product and future products. I and others I know have purchased the HVX200 for possible film out and film festivals, and your 10-bit products and HDLink Integration is great.

As I do most of my editing on Vegas, Ill look forward to your continued support with Sony also. . ..
Vince Curtis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 27th, 2006, 08:07 PM   #65
New Boot
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 13
I just ordered HVX + FS-100 + Premiere Pro + Aspect HD... will it work?

First question: Will this combination work? Cineform says its Aspect HD software will allow Premiere Pro 2.0 to work with the HVX's MXF files. But there is no specific mention of the FS-100 hard-drive. Can Premiere Pro 2.0 + Aspect HD import MXF files from an FS-100 drive onto a PC for editing?

Also, I placed this order on Friday, but I have since been reading some horror stories about the FS-100 Firestore device dropping out, not being recognized via firewire, and even catching on fire! I was planning to use the firestore as my primary/only p2 storage device on a 25-day feature shoot, but now I'm worried. If that firestore drive breaks down, my whole feature will come to a grinding halt.

Then again the P2 cards are very, very expensive, and not as ideal for a movie shoot as a 100-gig drive like the Firestore.

Also, what about variable frame-rates on the FS-100? Can I shoot ten minutes of 24p, then switch to 60p? It seems like the FS-100 has frame-rate limitations that P2 cards do not? Is that correct?

Thanks if anyone can offer advice.

Edit: I guess I could buy two FS-100s? Or maybe get the FS-100 and one p2 card to shoot variable framerate stuff?

Has anyone heard of the CitiDisk HD storage device?

http://www.shining.com/products/tota...on/citidisk_hd

It appears to store 120 gigs, is small, and only costs $1,100. I could buy two of those.

Last edited by Tom Lowe; May 27th, 2006 at 11:51 PM.
Tom Lowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 30th, 2006, 09:44 PM   #66
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Redmond, Washington USA
Posts: 6
Newbie question re: HVX200 and Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0

This is probably real noob question, but I've read such great things about this camera, and I've got such significant investment already into the Adobe Production Suite, I'm wondering, how well does Premiere Pro accommodate the HVX200's formats? Is the camera supported?

Thanks
Robert Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 31st, 2006, 12:04 AM   #67
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 69
You have to use Raylight or Cineform to convert the files. . .

this shows how to work with Premiere for Raylight. . .

http://dvfilm.com/raylight/raylightTutorial4.htm

http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight/

and here is another post re: Premiere + HVX200

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=68377

or just use the SEARCH for premiere and hvx200 on this forum or that OTHER one. . ...

Last edited by Vince Curtis; August 31st, 2006 at 10:38 AM.
Vince Curtis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 31st, 2006, 02:44 AM   #68
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Redmond, Washington USA
Posts: 6
Thanks for those links. I couldn't actually read the last one, it keeps taking me to a server not found page, but the first 2 links worked fine.
Robert Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2006, 03:04 PM   #69
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 20
Adobe Premiere Pro Editing

Anything new on Adobe Premiere Pro supporting P2?

I don't want to spend alot of extra money on CineForm Hardware just to convert the files.

Anyone know if they will be coming out with a newer version with support for P2 anytime soon?

I'm a PC guy and an Adobe Software user for years... I'd like to stay with it.

I'm getting ready to purchase Adobe Production Studio Premium, but I'm sceptical to buy the current version, if the next version will support it. I am purchasing the "Student" version, so NO UPGRADES or PLUG-INS.

Thanks,
Dan
Dan Eschenfelder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2006, 03:45 PM   #70
Barry Wan Kenobi
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 3,863
You don't need any hardware, and CineForm doesn't include hardware anyway.

Your Premiere Pro options are:
1) Matrox Axio, which is a hardware board set
2) RayLight, a $195 program that converts the HVX files to .AVI
3) Serious Magic DVCPRO-HD Decoder, a program that works similarily to RayLight
4) CineForm, a $500 program that works similarly but converts the files into CineForm HD codec and offers more features

Premiere Pro doesn't have native support by itself. If you want to use an HVX, and you want to use Premiere Pro, then you've GOT to get something else in-between or the two won't work together.
Barry Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2006, 12:54 PM   #71
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 20
Sorry, I meant SOFTWARE. I didn't want to have to purchase a different card, or any other software just to convert the files. Their's no reason why Premiere Pro shouldn't support the P2 camera Natively. (IMO) I was worried that I was going to have to shell out another $500 bucks for CineForm.

Anyway... I'm glad you told me about Serious Magic!!!

I googled Serious Magic and Adobe Premiere Pro and got a news release issued in September.

http://www.seriousmagic.com/news/DVCProHDDecoder.cfm

You may notice as well at the top left it says: "An Adobe Company"

I love it!!! It says in the presser that it is available for download for $195 bucks. I wonder if that excludes "Student Verisons" of Premiere?

Also, since they are now supported/owned by Adobe... does that answer my earlier question... "Anyone know if they will be coming out with a newer version with support for P2 anytime soon?" Will they release a new version with Serious Magic already installed?

Thanks for you help Barry. Lots of help.

Regards,
Dan
Dan Eschenfelder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2006, 02:06 PM   #72
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 295
I'm sure the next version of PP that they release will have full support. Just sit tight for now. It's either that or spend a little cash.
Gene Crucean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2006, 02:25 PM   #73
Barry Wan Kenobi
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 3,863
Yeah, what will happen is anybody's guess. They did say that some serious magic technologies would be incorporated in future adobe products. Does that mean they'll bundle the DVCPRO-HD Decoder in Premiere Pro? Maybe, who knows?

The thing is: if you want to work with Premiere Pro TODAY, you've got to spend some cash to get one of the appropriate tools, because Premiere Pro (for whatever reason) doesn't support it right now, as-is, in its stock configuration.

You might write to Serious Magic and ask them what their policy would be for Premiere Pro users who want to buy the DVCPRO-HD decoder; they might have some suggestions already?
Barry Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 5th, 2006, 11:43 PM   #74
New Boot
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 18
Native MXF Editing in Premiere

Anyone try this yet?

http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=18023
Steve Collins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2007, 11:20 AM   #75
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Inland Northwest
Posts: 490
Premiere Encore & Soundbooth Coming to the Mac

Adobe just announced this, and the bundle only pertains to Intel Macs.

Wondering if this means that it will support DVCProHD and/or MXF out of the box or it needs the codec installed by FCP.

Interesting stuff.
David Saraceno is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Cross-Platform Post Production Solutions > Adobe Creative Suite

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:08 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network