Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2004

Miguel Lombana · June 5th, 2004, 07:56 AM

I went over to the Premier forum on the Adobe site based on this thread and found the question was posed there at one time, the tech supporters answered with:

"Frame mode on the Canon camcorder is transparent to Premiere -- the camcorder still records two fields, it just happens that the two fields come from the same buffer & there is no time delay between them. So Premiere edits it just like any other DV stream."

Which makes me feel better since I've never messed with the defaults and attempted to setup progressive for capture and project setttings.

Thanks for the help Rob...

Tony Behnam · June 5th, 2004, 08:30 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Capture should not bother your footage. Make sure your project
settings are not set to interlaced but to progressive. Make sure
you export the final movie in progressive as well. -->>>

Is this setting also available in Premiere 6.5? I cannot use Premiere Pro as my DV500 is not supported.

Thanks,
Tony

Dmitry Yun · June 5th, 2004, 05:56 PM

Gorgeous, Thanks Rob. :)

Dmitry Yun · June 5th, 2004, 06:09 PM

Hey Rob I use Premier 6.5 how do I change my setting to progressive form 4:9 interlaced, do you know by any chance?

Johnny Cheung · June 5th, 2004, 11:10 PM

a dumb question, how to fade to white in premiere pro? i mean, like, to use fade white as a tansition between the frames

thanks...

Steven Gotz · June 6th, 2004, 12:12 AM

Just place a white matte on top of the cut and fade it in and out.

Ed Smith · June 6th, 2004, 02:34 PM

You could also use the brightness control with keyframes. Simply apply the effect and a few keyframes and then 'ramp' the effect (normal at the beginning to overexposed - white at the end). Bare in mind though there will be a slight colour change while it is ramping up to white.

That should also work...

Lorraine Boyle · June 7th, 2004, 08:44 AM

Hello all.

I'm having a problem getting an older version of Premiere (v5.0) to open/import files captured on a new XP media center system. Likewise it can't see the connected XL1 device. I think that XP is using the WDM capture driver.

Before I upgrade to newer version of Premiere I'd like some reason to believe that this problem will be solved.

So the question is .. does this set-up work: XP + generic 1394 + WDM capture driver + Premiere 6.5 or Pro?

thanks - L

Ed Smith · June 7th, 2004, 09:19 AM

Hi Lorraine,

A few things to try/ bare in mind:

1) Download DVR-Ripper from here: http://www.thegreenbutton.com/downloads.aspx. THis will convert the file into an MPEG stream, which Premiere should be able to use. I have not tried it so can not say that it works.

2) When you connect your XL1 to the computer, does Win MCE see the camera? It should appear as a canon device in my computer?

3) Adobe Premiere 5 is not supported on WinMCE or Win XP.

4) The UDM capture driver is probably not supprted in P5 and I doubt that it is supported in Premiere PRO. I think they need to use the Microsoft DV compliant capture driver with Win XP Home/ pro.

5) Did you get any error messages? What happens when you import the file?

I doubt that there are many people using MCE as an NLE platform, So I doubt that many people would have come across your problem. You might want to try The Green Buttons forum (found from the link above.

Cheers,

Sean McHenry · June 7th, 2004, 11:09 PM

Rendering is much faster from Premiere if you use the same codec it came in at. That is, if you brought the footage in as DV, send it out as a DV based AVI file. If you turn off "recompression" in the output, it is pretty fast except for the effects that need rendered.

From there, Encore can handle the AVI files and do any conversion it needs as part of it's process. You can start that and go to bed. When you get up, finished DVD.

PS, the new version of EncorDVD will finally be able to use QuickTime. Yipee.

Sean

Rob Lohman · June 8th, 2004, 04:43 AM

This is easy to explain Lorraine. The world of DV runs under
DirectShow on the Windows platform. Premiere 5.0 does *NOT*
support DirectShow in any way. So no DV devices etc. The only
way this would work is to get a third party VFW (Video for Windows)
codec or a dedicated hardware board.

An upgrade to Premiere 6.5 (or perhaps better yet Premiere Pro 1.5)
is definitely going to solve that problem. Garantueed.

So yes, that will definitely work (your last line).

There are ofcourse also other NLE's out there...

Indian Ashfaq · June 8th, 2004, 05:02 AM

It's really nice to hear about the new version of Encore. What about Prem Pro 1.5, has it got quick time filters.

Indian

Lorraine Boyle · June 8th, 2004, 09:14 AM

Thank you very much for your excellent replies.

I didn't really expect 5.0 to work yet it's good to know about the greenbuttons website and that an upgrade to 6.5 or Pro will work. Exactly the info I needed!

- Lorraine

Saturnin Kondratiew · June 8th, 2004, 08:02 PM

good news peeps, premiere pro 1.5 now supports 24p(panasonic dvx100ap)
http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/main.html

woops i guess there are already threads on this..bah..

Paul Tauger · June 9th, 2004, 12:34 AM

This may save others some trouble as they migrate to 1.0/1.5 from 6.0/6.5:

1. Deflicker

I'd been using the Donald Graf deFlicker plug-in for Virtual Dub to remove the 50 Hz flicker of outdoor lights at night in Europe and Asia. Premiere 1.0/1.5 installed DirectX version 9 (like it or not). There is some conflict, either between DirectX9 itself or residual components from DirectX8, that causes the deFlicker plug-in to fail. I tried TinderBox deflicker, both stand-alone and as a plug-in for Premiere 1.5. It will install under 1.5, but doesn't work correctly. However, either as plug-in or stand-alone, it is not effective at removing 50 Hz flicker from portions of clips. I finally tried the MSU deficker plug-in for Virtual Dub (not easy to find, but available). It has a Graf emulation mode which works just as well as the Graf plug-in. So . . . it's back to VDub with MSU, but at least I can now remove 50 Hz flicker again.

2. Steadying clips

I tried Steadymove plug-in provided with Premiere in 1.5, but found the results rather poor. I tried Steadymove Pro and discovered that it wasn't compatible with 1.5 -- it produces a black clip. My solution was to go back to the old reliable Dynapel Steadyhand stand-alone. This produces nice steadied clips, but at the expense of a fair amount of artifacting. I got around this by steadying the clip and then importing it back to Premiere 1.5, applying, in order, the Premiere De-artifact effect, followed by the Premiere Unsharp mask. The result is a little soft, but quite pleasing for short shots. Of all the steadying software I've tried, Dynapel gives the smoothest results (though it takes a fair amount of time to process). The Dynapel program has a DV Codec which can be read by Premiere 1.5 and, at least on my monitor, produces steadied clips of identical quality to uncompressed AVI.

3. Color correction

I shoot a lot of night stuff under outdoor illumination in Europe. Lighting tends to be either sodium vapor (which is orange), mercury vapor (which is purple) or some new light which has a much more natural color temperature. Using Premiere 1.5's RGB correction, I can get a pretty good color match of clips shot under these diverse lighting conditions -- they don't look the same, but they blend much better. Good stuff!

June 5th, 2004, 07:56 AM	#571
Miguel Lombana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Litchfield Park, AZ (W/of Phoenix) Posts: 502	I went over to the Premier forum on the Adobe site based on this thread and found the question was posed there at one time, the tech supporters answered with: "Frame mode on the Canon camcorder is transparent to Premiere -- the camcorder still records two fields, it just happens that the two fields come from the same buffer & there is no time delay between them. So Premiere edits it just like any other DV stream." Which makes me feel better since I've never messed with the defaults and attempted to setup progressive for capture and project setttings. Thanks for the help Rob... __________________ Miguel Lombana http://www.miguellombana.com & http://www.phoenixhamradio.com

June 5th, 2004, 11:10 PM	#575
Johnny Cheung Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 38	fade to white in premiere pro a dumb question, how to fade to white in premiere pro? i mean, like, to use fade white as a tansition between the frames thanks...

June 6th, 2004, 02:34 PM	#577
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	You could also use the brightness control with keyframes. Simply apply the effect and a few keyframes and then 'ramp' the effect (normal at the beginning to overexposed - white at the end). Bare in mind though there will be a slight colour change while it is ramping up to white. That should also work... __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

June 7th, 2004, 08:44 AM	#578
Lorraine Boyle New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 17	XP WDM capture driver with Premiere Hello all. I'm having a problem getting an older version of Premiere (v5.0) to open/import files captured on a new XP media center system. Likewise it can't see the connected XL1 device. I think that XP is using the WDM capture driver. Before I upgrade to newer version of Premiere I'd like some reason to believe that this problem will be solved. So the question is .. does this set-up work: XP + generic 1394 + WDM capture driver + Premiere 6.5 or Pro? thanks - L

June 7th, 2004, 09:19 AM	#579
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Lorraine, A few things to try/ bare in mind: 1) Download DVR-Ripper from here: http://www.thegreenbutton.com/downloads.aspx. THis will convert the file into an MPEG stream, which Premiere should be able to use. I have not tried it so can not say that it works. 2) When you connect your XL1 to the computer, does Win MCE see the camera? It should appear as a canon device in my computer? 3) Adobe Premiere 5 is not supported on WinMCE or Win XP. 4) The UDM capture driver is probably not supprted in P5 and I doubt that it is supported in Premiere PRO. I think they need to use the Microsoft DV compliant capture driver with Win XP Home/ pro. 5) Did you get any error messages? What happens when you import the file? I doubt that there are many people using MCE as an NLE platform, So I doubt that many people would have come across your problem. You might want to try The Green Buttons forum (found from the link above. Cheers, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

June 5th, 2004, 08:30 AM	#572
Tony Behnam Tourist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Geneva, Switzerland Posts: 3	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Capture should not bother your footage. Make sure your project settings are not set to interlaced but to progressive. Make sure you export the final movie in progressive as well. -->>> Is this setting also available in Premiere 6.5? I cannot use Premiere Pro as my DV500 is not supported. Thanks, Tony

June 5th, 2004, 05:56 PM	#573
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	Gorgeous, Thanks Rob. :)

June 5th, 2004, 06:09 PM	#574
Dmitry Yun Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 170	Hey Rob I use Premier 6.5 how do I change my setting to progressive form 4:9 interlaced, do you know by any chance?

June 6th, 2004, 12:12 AM	#576
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	Just place a white matte on top of the cut and fade it in and out.

June 7th, 2004, 11:09 PM	#580
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	Rendering is much faster from Premiere if you use the same codec it came in at. That is, if you brought the footage in as DV, send it out as a DV based AVI file. If you turn off "recompression" in the output, it is pretty fast except for the effects that need rendered. From there, Encore can handle the AVI files and do any conversion it needs as part of it's process. You can start that and go to bed. When you get up, finished DVD. PS, the new version of EncorDVD will finally be able to use QuickTime. Yipee. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

June 8th, 2004, 04:43 AM	#581
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This is easy to explain Lorraine. The world of DV runs under DirectShow on the Windows platform. Premiere 5.0 does NOT support DirectShow in any way. So no DV devices etc. The only way this would work is to get a third party VFW (Video for Windows) codec or a dedicated hardware board. An upgrade to Premiere 6.5 (or perhaps better yet Premiere Pro 1.5) is definitely going to solve that problem. Garantueed. So yes, that will definitely work (your last line). There are ofcourse also other NLE's out there... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 8th, 2004, 05:02 AM	#582
Indian Ashfaq Tourist Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 4	new version of EncorDVD will finally be able to use QuickTime It's really nice to hear about the new version of Encore. What about Prem Pro 1.5, has it got quick time filters. Indian

June 8th, 2004, 09:14 AM	#583
Lorraine Boyle New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 17	Ed & Rob Thank you very much for your excellent replies. I didn't really expect 5.0 to work yet it's good to know about the greenbuttons website and that an upgrade to 6.5 or Pro will work. Exactly the info I needed! - Lorraine

June 8th, 2004, 08:02 PM	#584
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	premiere pro 1.5 supports 24p good news peeps, premiere pro 1.5 now supports 24p(panasonic dvx100ap) http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/main.html woops i guess there are already threads on this..bah.. __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

June 9th, 2004, 12:34 AM	#585
Paul Tauger Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles (recently from San Francisco) Posts: 954	Some notes about 1.5 . . . This may save others some trouble as they migrate to 1.0/1.5 from 6.0/6.5: 1. Deflicker I'd been using the Donald Graf deFlicker plug-in for Virtual Dub to remove the 50 Hz flicker of outdoor lights at night in Europe and Asia. Premiere 1.0/1.5 installed DirectX version 9 (like it or not). There is some conflict, either between DirectX9 itself or residual components from DirectX8, that causes the deFlicker plug-in to fail. I tried TinderBox deflicker, both stand-alone and as a plug-in for Premiere 1.5. It will install under 1.5, but doesn't work correctly. However, either as plug-in or stand-alone, it is not effective at removing 50 Hz flicker from portions of clips. I finally tried the MSU deficker plug-in for Virtual Dub (not easy to find, but available). It has a Graf emulation mode which works just as well as the Graf plug-in. So . . . it's back to VDub with MSU, but at least I can now remove 50 Hz flicker again. 2. Steadying clips I tried Steadymove plug-in provided with Premiere in 1.5, but found the results rather poor. I tried Steadymove Pro and discovered that it wasn't compatible with 1.5 -- it produces a black clip. My solution was to go back to the old reliable Dynapel Steadyhand stand-alone. This produces nice steadied clips, but at the expense of a fair amount of artifacting. I got around this by steadying the clip and then importing it back to Premiere 1.5, applying, in order, the Premiere De-artifact effect, followed by the Premiere Unsharp mask. The result is a little soft, but quite pleasing for short shots. Of all the steadying software I've tried, Dynapel gives the smoothest results (though it takes a fair amount of time to process). The Dynapel program has a DV Codec which can be read by Premiere 1.5 and, at least on my monitor, produces steadied clips of identical quality to uncompressed AVI. 3. Color correction I shoot a lot of night stuff under outdoor illumination in Europe. Lighting tends to be either sodium vapor (which is orange), mercury vapor (which is purple) or some new light which has a much more natural color temperature. Using Premiere 1.5's RGB correction, I can get a pretty good color match of clips shot under these diverse lighting conditions -- they don't look the same, but they blend much better. Good stuff!