Suggestions need on a strong directional mini-microphone at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > All Things Audio

All Things Audio
Everything Audio, from acquisition to postproduction.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old August 21st, 2007, 02:34 PM   #1
Trustee
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Niagara Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,121
Suggestions need on a strong directional mini-microphone

I am looking for a smaller microphone that is directional, but smaller in size. I would love something like a lapel mic size, but it can be bigger than that. Any suggestions?

I would need it to pick up dialogue for a documentary I am doing where the person isn't informed they are being filmed until after (of course I am getting permission after).
David Delaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2007, 02:47 PM   #2
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 2,069
Unidirectional lavs

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Delaney View Post
I am looking for a smaller microphone that is directional, but smaller in size. I would love something like a lapel mic size, but it can be bigger than that. Any suggestions?

I would need it to pick up dialogue for a documentary I am doing where the person isn't informed they are being filmed until after (of course I am getting permission after).
Hi:

The Sony ECM-66B is a uni-directional lavaliere microphone that measures .97 x .44" (24.2 x 10.6mm) and sells for U.S. $350.00

Best,

Dan
Dan Brockett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2007, 04:12 PM   #3
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: switzerland
Posts: 2,131
so you need a parabolic microphone that you can put far far away the subject.
Giroud Francois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2007, 04:29 PM   #4
Trustee
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Niagara Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,121
Any DIY solutions for the parabolic? the sony price tag is a little beyond my budget as well...
David Delaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 21st, 2007, 05:10 PM   #5
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,742
Lav mics are designed for close-in micing, 6 to 12 inches from the subject's mouth. Move farther away than that and the voice falls off in a hurry. Those "candid camera" shows you've seen where people are photographed with a hidden camera are setup by enticing the subject into a set that has been plastered with hidden microphones so they're at most a couple of feet from one of them.

Directional mics such as shotguns that can be used farther away than a typical lav are quite a bit larger than a lav would be. A parabolic mic that can give you a standoff distance measured in tens of feet is even larger, a foot to several feet across. Not to mention pricey.

What kind of doco are you doing that the subjects can't know they're being filmed until after the fact? How close can you get the mic to the subject? Even on "Cops" they know they're being filmed as it happens. And you'll notice on shows like "To Catch A Predator" they don't try for much sound until the reveal when the presenter appears on the scene with the soundman in tow. Shows such as "Punked" they mic the location or mic the shill.
__________________
Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!
Steve House is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 22nd, 2007, 08:09 AM   #6
Trustee
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Niagara Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,121
I went to a spy shop yesterday and they had one of those whisper 2000-like devices. Does something like that really work?
David Delaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 22nd, 2007, 08:27 AM   #7
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Stockton, UT
Posts: 5,648
Sort of. There is no sound quality, it's very thin. The noise suppression system in some of the devices is quite good, but bear in mind they're made for surveilance, not recording the Pops.
If you need to really reach out and grab someone, the AT Array is very well made, and works quite well. And is very spendy.
__________________
Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot
Author, producer, composer
Certified Sony Vegas Trainer
http://www.vasst.com
Douglas Spotted Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 22nd, 2007, 11:57 AM   #8
Trustee
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Niagara Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,121
That is going to be difficult then. I was thinking of just using the on-camera mic, but I am afraid it is going to be problematic at best. I wonder if I put one of those Squid mic and a Iriver under the table if it would pick up a better sound?
David Delaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 22nd, 2007, 01:02 PM   #9
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: switzerland
Posts: 2,131
if it is around a table there are thousand ways to hide a wireless mic on a table.
Giroud Francois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 22nd, 2007, 01:39 PM   #10
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Delaney View Post
That is going to be difficult then. I was thinking of just using the on-camera mic, but I am afraid it is going to be problematic at best. I wonder if I put one of those Squid mic and a Iriver under the table if it would pick up a better sound?
What are the details of the setup you need to mic? There may be a way to plant a mic - for example, you said "around a table" ... if it's a cafeteria or bar table, for example, a lav concealed in a salt shaker or napkin dispenser is a common ploy. Another is a boundary microphone hidden in plain sight. There's lots of ways to skin a cat.
__________________
Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!
Steve House is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > All Things Audio

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:53 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network