My new Sennheiser needs accessories at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > All Things Audio

All Things Audio
Everything Audio, from acquisition to postproduction.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old December 1st, 2008, 08:53 PM   #1
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 210
My new Sennheiser needs accessories

Hello All

My two threads regarding microphones have taught me quite a bit. After much debate, and a deal of a lifetime, Iíve purchased a Sennheiser 416 P48. As excited as I am waiting for its delivery, Iím equally as timid, as now I must make a decision on the rest of my audio gear. Iíve read through several of the other threads here concerning boom selections, and really, aluminum / carbon fiber: Iím not sure who said it, but I agree that itís like trying on a pair of shoes. Or as someone else said, choose and punt. So, no worries there. Likewise with cables.

For the time being, Iím bringing this audio into a consumer grade camcorder (Sony HDR-HC9): some short fiction work (indoors and out) and a wedding in July. Itís been expressed to me that the major concern with this setup is that the camcorder has no audio level control, and thus, my gear may need the use of a mixer. Of course, this mic also needs phantom power.

Iím hoping to limit my spending here, which of course means that I may be endangering my audio quality. However, at this point, with holidays, and nothing to hock, Iím strapped for cash. Iíd like to keep whatever I may need here under $200, as I estimate that a boom pole and shockmount to be of similar cost.

So, may I kindly ask for your thoughts on phantom power/mixer/whatever I may need? Your expertise is always appreciated.
__________________
"Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you." R W Emerson
RED ONE MX | 5DmkIII | SD744T | SD442 | Sennheiser MKH416 P48

Last edited by Brian Maurer; December 1st, 2008 at 09:38 PM.
Brian Maurer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 1st, 2008, 09:18 PM   #2
Trustee
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 1,840
I would not focus so much on the boom pole or shock-mount., (as the holy graile) but one's ability and experience. IN ANY CASE.... Make sure boom operator can HEAR what he or she is doing with good headphones.
Cheers
Rick Reineke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 1st, 2008, 09:37 PM   #3
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 210
Thanks Rick. What I'm looking for here is suggestions as to what sorts of phantom power, or mixers, I should be looking into. I'll go back to my original post and edit just to make sure that's clear. I agree though... experience will determine a large portion of the result.
__________________
"Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you." R W Emerson
RED ONE MX | 5DmkIII | SD744T | SD442 | Sennheiser MKH416 P48
Brian Maurer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 02:59 AM   #4
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand
Posts: 3,634
Images: 18
Hi Brian...........

Well, guess I'm going to go against the flow here (what else is new?).

Why on Gods Earth did you buy a mic requiring phantom power for a consumer video setup?

This makes about as much sense as buying a gold plated ashtray to fix to a motorbike!

Too late, I guess, so we'll have to live with it.

Well, now you're in the poo and no mistake.

I missed earlier threads where this must have been discussed ad nauseum, so can't comment.

Where you go from here with the budget available is a complete mystery.

A mixer with phantom for $200?

Why the heck didn't you just buy an el cheapo battery powered mic from Radio Shack for $15 (including cable) and do yourself a serious favour?

I seriously cannot figure out how you got here, but to quote that immortal Irish joke about getting to Dublin from the dark and wooly depths of Cork (or any other deep country area in Ireland -as told by a local):

"Well, I wouldn't start from here".


CS

Last edited by Chris Soucy; December 2nd, 2008 at 03:22 AM. Reason: +
Chris Soucy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 03:39 AM   #5
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Maurer View Post
Thanks Rick. What I'm looking for here is suggestions as to what sorts of phantom power, or mixers, I should be looking into. I'll go back to my original post and edit just to make sure that's clear. I agree though... experience will determine a large portion of the result.
A mixer under $200 is pretty much out of the question. You can get a battery powered phantom power unit for under $200 to power the mic - something like the Denecke | PS-1A - Portable Single Channel 48V Phantom | PS-1A would work well. But there's another complication - even with a phantom power supply you're still going to need to get the mic's balanced XLR output coming off the phantom power unit into the unbalanced mic input on the camera. Better to combine the functions with an adapter box that provides power as well. I've been pleased with the Juicedlink adapter - the CX231 gives you two channels, converts XLR to mini, and provides phantom power. Run's about $300.
__________________
Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!
Steve House is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 08:14 AM   #6
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 210
@ Chris - Thanks for your concern. I don't plan on having this camera forever. It's merely a stepping stone. Additionally, the mic is certainly an investment.

@ Steve - Very helpful. I appreciate your thoughts. $300 isn't bad for what I'll need. Though I want to keep it under, it certainly doesn't mean I can't spend the dollars if I need to. I think across the board people here have suggested the Juicedlink box to me. Maybe not the CX231, but either way, they seem to be a popular recommendation. Much appreciated.
__________________
"Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you." R W Emerson
RED ONE MX | 5DmkIII | SD744T | SD442 | Sennheiser MKH416 P48
Brian Maurer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 08:45 AM   #7
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Maurer View Post
@ Chris - Thanks for your concern. I don't plan on having this camera forever. It's merely a stepping stone. Additionally, the mic is certainly an investment.

@ Steve - Very helpful. I appreciate your thoughts. $300 isn't bad for what I'll need. Though I want to keep it under, it certainly doesn't mean I can't spend the dollars if I need to. I think across the board people here have suggested the Juicedlink box to me. Maybe not the CX231, but either way, they seem to be a popular recommendation. Much appreciated.
Well, the reason I suggest that model is you definitely must have a phantom power source with that mic, it doesn't have an internal battery option. Using an XLR to mini adapter that doesn't supply it means you need to spend another $100 to $150 for a power supply for the mic, over and above the cost of the adapter. In the Juicedlink line you get phantom with the CX231 @ $300, the CX431 @ $469, and the CX471 @ $569. In the Beachtek line it's the DXA-6a or DXA6-HD
__________________
Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!
Steve House is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 09:04 AM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 210
Beachtek was a suggestion a friend of mine in L.A. had, but he was cautious about it. Said that it was an "option to consider, but not reliable." Good to hear that someone else recommended it. Yeah, I knew going into this that the Sennheiser was going to present some issues, but what better way to learn ALL the ins and outs of audio. And as stated before, Iím stuck with the camera I have now, but hope for improvement down the line. This is a great mic and Iím looking forward to working with it. Iíll check out the beachtek and ask an audio bud of mine here at the University for his thoughts. Thanks again Steve. Iím pretty sure youíve made comments in each of my threads, so I really appreciate your thoughts.
__________________
"Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you." R W Emerson
RED ONE MX | 5DmkIII | SD744T | SD442 | Sennheiser MKH416 P48
Brian Maurer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 10:09 AM   #9
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Maurer View Post
Beachtek was a suggestion a friend of mine in L.A. had, but he was cautious about it. Said that it was an "option to consider, but not reliable." Good to hear that someone else recommended it. Yeah, I knew going into this that the Sennheiser was going to present some issues, but what better way to learn ALL the ins and outs of audio. And as stated before, Iím stuck with the camera I have now, but hope for improvement down the line. This is a great mic and Iím looking forward to working with it. Iíll check out the beachtek and ask an audio bud of mine here at the University for his thoughts. Thanks again Steve. Iím pretty sure youíve made comments in each of my threads, so I really appreciate your thoughts.
Just FYI, I'm recommending the Juicedlink in preference to the Beach. Gice a listen to the demo video on the Juiced site. Your mileage may vary.
__________________
Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!
Steve House is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 10:20 AM   #10
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 210
audio friend from the University here suggested Beachtek DXA-6VU
__________________
"Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you." R W Emerson
RED ONE MX | 5DmkIII | SD744T | SD442 | Sennheiser MKH416 P48
Brian Maurer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 02:46 PM   #11
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 383
hmmm, here is another cheap solution. How about the AKG B18 phantom power supplies?

Bexel | Home

$50. That won't solve a couple of issues though. First there is getting the balanced input into an unbalanced source, but there are many other inexpensive cabling options for that. Next you still won't be able to control the volume on the camera's audio input.

Now you're in a rut though because now you have a mic and power, but no boom and mount. There are many threads where we discussed options, so I won't go into those. But there are some other options.

Best of luck to you.

Wayne
__________________
Mics: KMR 82 i, NTG-1, MKH418S, MKH8040, SR77, QTC1, QTC40, SR30
Recorder: Zaxcom Deva 5.8 & MIX-12. Wireless: TRX900 stereo, Lectro 411
Wayne Brissette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 03:33 PM   #12
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 210
Thanks Wayne. I appreciate that! The only thing that may not work here is this:

Quote:
18-V battery power supply for phantom powering a single condenser microphone.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears this powers 18V? The Sennheiser is 48V.

Either way, I do appreciate the suggestion.

Booms... I'm pretty sure I know what I'm going for there, so no worries. Cables are taken care of as well. Found a great nearby supplier.

Really, when it comes down to it, my major goal is get this mic powers, and as balanced as I can afford.
__________________
"Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you." R W Emerson
RED ONE MX | 5DmkIII | SD744T | SD442 | Sennheiser MKH416 P48
Brian Maurer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 2nd, 2008, 03:50 PM   #13
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 383
Sorry about that... you would also need the A48 adapter. The problem is these are probably going to hard to find since it seems AKG discontinued them (I haven't used the B18 power supplies in nearly 10 years).

Similar to the AKG boxes are the Deneke PS-T boxes. Although those are a bit over $100 each. But you might want to look at those.

Wayne
__________________
Mics: KMR 82 i, NTG-1, MKH418S, MKH8040, SR77, QTC1, QTC40, SR30
Recorder: Zaxcom Deva 5.8 & MIX-12. Wireless: TRX900 stereo, Lectro 411
Wayne Brissette is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > All Things Audio

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:25 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network