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Old November 24th, 2003, 04:50 PM   #1
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Sony ECM-44B V.S. ECM77B

I am considering one of these mics for my VX2000. Can anyone tell me the difference between them, or have exprience with them?

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Old November 24th, 2003, 10:43 PM   #2
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ECM-77 has a Smaller Capsule, Phantom and Battery power better freq response and more.

Also check out the Audio Technica AT-899
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Old November 25th, 2003, 01:02 AM   #3
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I have the ecm-44 and the AT 899. For very few $ the 899 is so much richer amd more open. Try this review, the only gripe was the cable flexability http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item.jhtml?category=Hardware&LookupId=/xml/review/garrett0803

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I just realized that I haven't tried these without amplification. There's no test forthcoming tonight.
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Old November 25th, 2003, 10:26 AM   #4
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What about the ECM-55B ?

It's a great one too with a lot of bass response.

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Old November 25th, 2003, 10:33 PM   #5
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How about wireless Sennheiser EV100?

I am also considering the EV 100 wireless bundle. is this a good match for the VX2K?
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Old November 25th, 2003, 11:18 PM   #6
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The EV 100 works great. The receiver has a high enough output, that you can keep the on camera gain down around 40%. I bought the extended kit that includes the plug in mic transmitter. it works great on shotguns and even dynamics.
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Old November 26th, 2003, 09:42 AM   #7
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How does the AT899 compare with the Sennheiser ME2?
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Old November 26th, 2003, 11:17 AM   #8
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I've never used the two together simply because my me2 is wireless and the 899 is wired. From memory, the ME2 is more open and a litle too warm, i liked the 899 as it seems more accurate.

I'll have to record a series of tests one of these days.
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Old November 26th, 2003, 10:34 PM   #9
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ECM-77

Any one use the Ecm-77 from Sony?
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Old November 26th, 2003, 11:57 PM   #10
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ecm 77b

Ive got two of those really like them, and my lectrosonics has a ecm-77b on it also. Prior to that I used ecm55b and 44bs, I do like the 77 the best...as to if anyone else is using them they are the industry standard for broadcast. probably 90% of the mics you see on television for news/documentry etc is the 77b. They are pricey but not to bad, I got a good deal when I upgrade for my audio sytems otherwise would have stuck with my previous mics which werent bad....

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Old November 30th, 2003, 08:15 PM   #11
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Hi Bob,

I use both ecm44 and ecm 77 lavs and for voice/industrial use, there is almost no differance. the 77 is smaller and quieter with a wider frequency response, so you be the judge of your need. There are better mics than 77s too. Tram, countryman, sanken, etc...

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Old November 30th, 2003, 09:07 PM   #12
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Just thought I'd pass this along.
I just received a reply back from a company called The Sound Professionals. They are "a supplier of products to the pro and amateur recording industry". They have a number of lav mics on their site. I think they do a lot of business with concert "tapers".
Anyways, the one question I asked was: What is the best-sounding omni lav mic you sell for placing on the lapel of actors and which will be able to be plugged into a minidisc? The reply was "This would be it" and a link to the AT899. That link is below.
There was also the comment "Normally they are sold in stereo pairs but we can also do them as single mics for $159; this mic is
very sensitive, designed for theater use, and is specifically tuned to the human voice."
Would that be your assessment, Bryan?

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cg...-10&type=store
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Old December 1st, 2003, 07:44 PM   #13
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Over at The Sound Professionals site, they advise to compare the
AT899 with the DPA 4060. So I did that. I've never heard either
of those mics, but one thing in the specs that jumped out at me
was the difference in sensitivity. Now, I'm no expert at reading
spec sheets, but I have noticed that the "sensitivity" spec is often listed as mV/Pa. I think the basic notion is expose a mic to
a standardized volume level of sound and see how many millivolts
the mic responds. The higher the mV, the greater the sensitivity.
Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.
Anyways, I went ahead and looked at the specs on a number of
lavs. Here 'tis.

AT899 (1.5V battery): 5mV
Countryman B6 (5V from transmitter): 6mV
Sanken COS-11BP (1.5V battery): 6mV
AT899 (phantom): 7mV
Countryman B6 (phantom): 10mV
Sennheiser MKE-2 (phantom): 10mV
Sony ECM-88 (phantom): 13mV
Sanken COS-11 (phantom): 17mV
DPA 4060 (phantom): 20mV

One thing I noticed here is that there's a big difference between
the COS-11 when it's at 1.5V versus 48V.
Not all mic's sensitivities are listed as mV/Pa. Some are just, say,
"-52dB". Anyone understand this "dB" method of rating?

Here are some more, as points of reference.

Beyerdynamic M58 (dynamic): 1.3mV
Electro Voice RE50N/D (dynamic): 2.0mV
AKG D230 (dynamic): 2.5mV
Rode NT4: 12mV
Sennheiser ME64: 31mV
Sanken CS-1: 32mV
Sennheiser ME66: 35mV
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Old December 1st, 2003, 10:56 PM   #14
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That's pretty much the way i feel. I've got a pretty good ear, but I think it's a bit of personal taste mixed in there. The crude way of putting it is when the mic jumps out and bites me in the ass, I like it. ( I'm impressed with the overall quality of the voice. When it doesn't sound like a mic, but the real thing)

Am I making sense or just babbling ;)
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 03:04 AM   #15
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So how do you read those mV specs? That the ECM-88 has twice the sensitivity of the AT899-phantom? I tried to get the mV/Pa on the ECM-44, -55, and -77 but they were only listed with the "-dB" method. I have some idea what that method might be about, but not sure. Don't know where I'd learn more about these ratings.
A couple other things that I thought were interesting about the specs were that the B6 was quite down on the COS-11 and DPA. And I had heard the ME64 was not quite as sensitive as the ME66; must be true. Myself, I tend to prefer sesitive mics, other things being equal.
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