Schoeps MK-41 vs. Sanken CS-1 at DVinfo.net

Ernest Acosta · January 16th, 2004, 03:17 PM

I am wondering if anyone had experience with these two microphones. I think their prices are somewhat even. I am leaning towards the Sanken just from word of mouth, but I am aware that Schoeps is also respected in the audio industry. My application is short films and possibly some features.

Bryan Beasleigh · January 16th, 2004, 03:52 PM

http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item644.htm

The Sanken is $780 while the Schoeps is 1180. I know John Hartney speaks very highly of them as does Jay Rose. Perhaps John will see this thread.

A search on the word "schoeps' netted 24 hits and among them were a few specific comments on the Schoeps in comparison with other mics. You might also search "CS1"

One or two of the threads, in particular should be of interest.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17607&highlight=schoeps

The Schoeps is considered to be THE mic in a comparison with others.

There is some very interesting reading on the Schoeps site
http://www.schoeps.de/E/overview-mic-types.html#shotgun

Ernest Acosta · January 16th, 2004, 04:01 PM

Thanks. I will check them out.

John Hartney · January 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM

Hi,

Sorry I can't help with a comparison. I haven't used Sanken gear, but read good reviews. You might want to check the opinions at:

http://www.cinemaaudiosociety.org/

German engineering has traditionally produced the very best audio microphone designs -sennheiser - schoeps - neumann, japanese have sorely lacked. but that is changing (like everything else)....

For boom mics, I generally use sennheiser outdoors and schoeps indoors.

Best,

John

Carlos E. Martinez · January 18th, 2004, 02:46 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by John Hartney :
German engineering has traditionally produced the very best audio microphone designs -sennheiser - schoeps - neumann, japanese have sorely lacked. but that is changing (like everything else).... -->>>

There are two areas where the Japanese lacked in the past and still do: microphones and lenses. Don't expect any important changes to come there, except on low budget mics. But they do not achieve the finesse the others do. Seems like a fact of life.

There are two brands that should be in your German list: AKG and Beyer. Unfortunately AKG never got a good marketing in the USA. Their Blue Line hypercardioid is as good as the Sennheiser MKH70 and costs a lot less, about the price of the MKE66. Beyer was good in the dynamic mic days.

<<<--For boom mics, I generally use sennheiser outdoors and schoeps indoors.-->>>

Great indeed.

Carlos

Patrick Bower · January 19th, 2004, 03:48 PM

I haven't used the Sanken. I use the Schoeps for classical music, because it is a hypercardioid, not a shotgun. Off axis attenuation is not frequency dependent, whereas shotguns attenuate off axis high frequencies more than low frequencies. This means that, using the Schoeps, sound bouncing off sidewalls is not coloured. I believe that Jay Rose recommends the Schoeps as the best microphone when recording indoors, for this reason. If you post on the DV.com audio solutions forum, he'll give you his opinion.

Sanken Polar pattern http://www.plus24.net/dealers/pdf/sanken/CS1.pdf

Schoeps Polar pattern
http://www.schoeps.de/E/mk-ccm41.html

Patrick

January 16th, 2004, 03:17 PM	#1
Ernest Acosta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 59	Schoeps MK-41 vs. Sanken CS-1 I am wondering if anyone had experience with these two microphones. I think their prices are somewhat even. I am leaning towards the Sanken just from word of mouth, but I am aware that Schoeps is also respected in the audio industry. My application is short films and possibly some features. __________________ Ernest L. Acosta, Jr. President Garage At Large Productions P.O. Box 42 Times Square Station New York, NY 10108

January 16th, 2004, 04:01 PM	#3
Ernest Acosta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 59	Thanks. I will check them out. __________________ Ernest L. Acosta, Jr. President Garage At Large Productions P.O. Box 42 Times Square Station New York, NY 10108

January 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM	#4
John Hartney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Elgin, Illinois Posts: 206	Hi, Sorry I can't help with a comparison. I haven't used Sanken gear, but read good reviews. You might want to check the opinions at: http://www.cinemaaudiosociety.org/ German engineering has traditionally produced the very best audio microphone designs -sennheiser - schoeps - neumann, japanese have sorely lacked. but that is changing (like everything else).... For boom mics, I generally use sennheiser outdoors and schoeps indoors. Best, John __________________ John Hartney Elgin, Illinois USA 847.742.9321

January 16th, 2004, 03:52 PM	#2
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	http://www.trewaudio.com/catalog/items/item644.htm The Sanken is $780 while the Schoeps is 1180. I know John Hartney speaks very highly of them as does Jay Rose. Perhaps John will see this thread. A search on the word "schoeps' netted 24 hits and among them were a few specific comments on the Schoeps in comparison with other mics. You might also search "CS1" One or two of the threads, in particular should be of interest. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17607&highlight=schoeps The Schoeps is considered to be THE mic in a comparison with others. There is some very interesting reading on the Schoeps site http://www.schoeps.de/E/overview-mic-types.html#shotgun

January 18th, 2004, 02:46 PM	#5
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by John Hartney : German engineering has traditionally produced the very best audio microphone designs -sennheiser - schoeps - neumann, japanese have sorely lacked. but that is changing (like everything else).... -->>> There are two areas where the Japanese lacked in the past and still do: microphones and lenses. Don't expect any important changes to come there, except on low budget mics. But they do not achieve the finesse the others do. Seems like a fact of life. There are two brands that should be in your German list: AKG and Beyer. Unfortunately AKG never got a good marketing in the USA. Their Blue Line hypercardioid is as good as the Sennheiser MKH70 and costs a lot less, about the price of the MKE66. Beyer was good in the dynamic mic days. <<<--For boom mics, I generally use sennheiser outdoors and schoeps indoors.-->>> Great indeed. Carlos

January 19th, 2004, 03:48 PM	#6
Patrick Bower Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 126	I haven't used the Sanken. I use the Schoeps for classical music, because it is a hypercardioid, not a shotgun. Off axis attenuation is not frequency dependent, whereas shotguns attenuate off axis high frequencies more than low frequencies. This means that, using the Schoeps, sound bouncing off sidewalls is not coloured. I believe that Jay Rose recommends the Schoeps as the best microphone when recording indoors, for this reason. If you post on the DV.com audio solutions forum, he'll give you his opinion. Sanken Polar pattern http://www.plus24.net/dealers/pdf/sanken/CS1.pdf Schoeps Polar pattern http://www.schoeps.de/E/mk-ccm41.html Patrick