What To Use With Rode NT4? at DVinfo.net

Barry Rivadue · May 27th, 2004, 04:37 PM

I have a Rode NT4 stereo mic which is destined to record small ensembles of music--a singer, a small chorus or a few instruments. I have yet to buy my first audio component that falls into the sphere of mixers, pre amps, MDs, DATs etc. I figure I can simplify the process by just focusing on my primary microphone and what may suit this particular model best. For a stereo mic are there any considerations to make in deciding whether one format is better than another? Which components might possiibly be more compatible a match? I have a DVX100, by the way. My budget, ideally, would be under $1000. Under $500 even better. :)

Thanks!

Bryan Beasleigh · May 27th, 2004, 05:54 PM

The DVX100 has very good audio, however a mixer would allow some flexability and convenience.

I'd stick with a known product and that would include the Sound devices Mix Pre or the PSC Promix 3. There are some others but they are more pricey. the shure entry FP24 is the Sound Devices Mix Pre so we won't even mention that one.

http://www.professionalsound.com/catalog/DV%20Promix.htm

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mx2master.htm

The PSC is $500 and the Mix Pre is $655. You can get a mixer for less, but when you have the dvx100 why bother. JMO

Beach Tek is close to anouncing a two channel mixer with line level out. I haven't anymore info. It's supposed to be in the same price range as the DXA-8

Barry Rivadue · May 27th, 2004, 06:02 PM

Thanks for your suggestions. I realize, given the caliber of the DVX100 and the Rode NT4, I need some precise guidance on this and not blindly grab at anything. There is so much out there to absorb, and I find specific choices as yours very helpful.

One question though--what about a separate recording device? Would that be a worthwhile option? Or is the DVX100 adequate enough?

Dave Largent · May 27th, 2004, 07:31 PM

Barry, you may not need all of that. How 'bout just
use the NT4 straight into the camera? I don't
see a need for a seperate recording device.

Barry Rivadue · May 27th, 2004, 07:46 PM

Thanks Dave--maybe that's the kind of reassuring advice I'm looking for. ;)

Dave Largent · May 27th, 2004, 07:57 PM

Barry, I'm gonna send you a pic or two showing how
I have the NT4 attached to a VX.
And here's the furry for it. The NT4 is *very* sensitive
to wind, and the supplied foam is not at all effective
against the wind.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=277952&is=REG

Barry Rivadue · May 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM

Thanks!

Dave Largent · May 27th, 2004, 08:30 PM

I got those pics off to you. Hope you get them okay.
The pics also show how the Sound Devices MixPre
preamp can be attached to the VX. Like I said,
you probably don't even need that.

Bryan Beasleigh · May 27th, 2004, 08:52 PM

I agree with Dave. that's why i made the comment about the fine audio that the DVX100 has.

That was also my point that you should only buy a good mixer if you ever do. A cheap mixer wouldn't compliment a camera like the DVX100.

Dave Largent · May 27th, 2004, 09:09 PM

If anyone else wants to see the pictures, let me know
and I'll get them off to you.

Barry Rivadue · May 27th, 2004, 09:14 PM

The photos are certainly of interest to examine--I'm pleased and rather relieved to know that my DVX100 is suitable as is. I just bought a Lowel Caselite 4 and am not exactly ready to go on another spree anytime soon. ;) But I may look into a mixer since it's all a matter of being informed about audio in general.

Bryan Beasleigh · May 28th, 2004, 11:05 AM

Jay Rose just did a review on the PSC mixer. I thought it would make some interesting reading.
http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item.jhtml;jsessionid=NW1FFDET0XUVUQSNDBCSKHY?category=Review%2CHardware&LookupId=/xml/review/rose0604_rvw

Dave Largent · May 28th, 2004, 12:35 PM

Yeah, I checked out that review, and went to
the PSC site. I've heard that PSC does offer good quality, but I think there are better mixers than that around
for camcorder users. For one, what's this about
using it with an attenuator to get good results?
I think you're better off sticking with Sound Devices stuff.

Patrick Bower · May 28th, 2004, 05:30 PM

I also can't see why you need a mixer, if you only have the one microphone. I found the Rode NT4 a good match in terms of quality with the DVX100 camera audio. You can just plug it straight into the camera. Unless you are recording dual system, the benefit of using the higher quality pre-amps on a mixer would be marginal.

Dual system recording would definitely give you better quality, but it may be overkill for what you need. If you were going down the dual system route, you need to chose your recording device first, and then the pre-amp or mixer to match. e.g if you used a laptop and the m-audio firewire 410, you still would not need a separate mixer. If you are recording classical music I would strongly recommend the computer route. You can then record at 24bit, which gives you more dynamic range.

Patrick

Joe Carney · June 3rd, 2004, 06:40 PM

Patrick, I have a laptop and an M-Audio Firewire 410. What mics would you recomend for live music recording?
I'll be using Vegas for recording the audio.

May 27th, 2004, 04:37 PM	#1
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	What To Use With Rode NT4? I have a Rode NT4 stereo mic which is destined to record small ensembles of music--a singer, a small chorus or a few instruments. I have yet to buy my first audio component that falls into the sphere of mixers, pre amps, MDs, DATs etc. I figure I can simplify the process by just focusing on my primary microphone and what may suit this particular model best. For a stereo mic are there any considerations to make in deciding whether one format is better than another? Which components might possiibly be more compatible a match? I have a DVX100, by the way. My budget, ideally, would be under $1000. Under $500 even better. :) Thanks!

May 27th, 2004, 05:54 PM	#2
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The DVX100 has very good audio, however a mixer would allow some flexability and convenience. I'd stick with a known product and that would include the Sound devices Mix Pre or the PSC Promix 3. There are some others but they are more pricey. the shure entry FP24 is the Sound Devices Mix Pre so we won't even mention that one. http://www.professionalsound.com/catalog/DV%20Promix.htm http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mx2master.htm The PSC is $500 and the Mix Pre is $655. You can get a mixer for less, but when you have the dvx100 why bother. JMO Beach Tek is close to anouncing a two channel mixer with line level out. I haven't anymore info. It's supposed to be in the same price range as the DXA-8 __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ".......holy smokin rubber lips...what a ride!"

May 27th, 2004, 08:52 PM	#9
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I agree with Dave. that's why i made the comment about the fine audio that the DVX100 has. That was also my point that you should only buy a good mixer if you ever do. A cheap mixer wouldn't compliment a camera like the DVX100. __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ".......holy smokin rubber lips...what a ride!"

May 28th, 2004, 11:05 AM	#12
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Jay Rose just did a review on the PSC mixer. I thought it would make some interesting reading. http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item.jhtml;jsessionid=NW1FFDET0XUVUQSNDBCSKHY?category=Review%2CHardware&LookupId=/xml/review/rose0604_rvw __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ".......holy smokin rubber lips...what a ride!"

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May 27th, 2004, 06:02 PM	#3
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	Thanks for your suggestions. I realize, given the caliber of the DVX100 and the Rode NT4, I need some precise guidance on this and not blindly grab at anything. There is so much out there to absorb, and I find specific choices as yours very helpful. One question though--what about a separate recording device? Would that be a worthwhile option? Or is the DVX100 adequate enough?

May 27th, 2004, 07:31 PM	#4
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Barry, you may not need all of that. How 'bout just use the NT4 straight into the camera? I don't see a need for a seperate recording device.

May 27th, 2004, 07:46 PM	#5
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	Thanks Dave--maybe that's the kind of reassuring advice I'm looking for. ;)

May 27th, 2004, 07:57 PM	#6
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Barry, I'm gonna send you a pic or two showing how I have the NT4 attached to a VX. And here's the furry for it. The NT4 is very sensitive to wind, and the supplied foam is not at all effective against the wind. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=277952&is=REG

May 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM	#7
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	Thanks!

May 27th, 2004, 08:30 PM	#8
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	I got those pics off to you. Hope you get them okay. The pics also show how the Sound Devices MixPre preamp can be attached to the VX. Like I said, you probably don't even need that.

May 27th, 2004, 09:09 PM	#10
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	If anyone else wants to see the pictures, let me know and I'll get them off to you.

May 27th, 2004, 09:14 PM	#11
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	The photos are certainly of interest to examine--I'm pleased and rather relieved to know that my DVX100 is suitable as is. I just bought a Lowel Caselite 4 and am not exactly ready to go on another spree anytime soon. ;) But I may look into a mixer since it's all a matter of being informed about audio in general.

May 28th, 2004, 12:35 PM	#13
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Yeah, I checked out that review, and went to the PSC site. I've heard that PSC does offer good quality, but I think there are better mixers than that around for camcorder users. For one, what's this about using it with an attenuator to get good results? I think you're better off sticking with Sound Devices stuff.

May 28th, 2004, 05:30 PM	#14
Patrick Bower Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 126	I also can't see why you need a mixer, if you only have the one microphone. I found the Rode NT4 a good match in terms of quality with the DVX100 camera audio. You can just plug it straight into the camera. Unless you are recording dual system, the benefit of using the higher quality pre-amps on a mixer would be marginal. Dual system recording would definitely give you better quality, but it may be overkill for what you need. If you were going down the dual system route, you need to chose your recording device first, and then the pre-amp or mixer to match. e.g if you used a laptop and the m-audio firewire 410, you still would not need a separate mixer. If you are recording classical music I would strongly recommend the computer route. You can then record at 24bit, which gives you more dynamic range. Patrick

June 3rd, 2004, 06:40 PM	#15
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Patrick, I have a laptop and an M-Audio Firewire 410. What mics would you recomend for live music recording? I'll be using Vegas for recording the audio.