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Old November 7th, 2004, 01:33 AM   #16
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Old November 7th, 2004, 01:57 AM   #17
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. . and the same old excuses too! ! ! !
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Old November 7th, 2004, 07:32 PM   #18
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NOw I understand why they never use condoms in porn movies. The sound of the rubber thing is difficult to record onto your gm2!
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Old November 7th, 2004, 07:42 PM   #19
 
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Now that I'm back in the States, I can finally make some decent access to post! Geez, but it's hard to get good webservice sometimes.

Jose, are you familiar with the Antares Mic modeler? While it's a very different process, the principles are the same as what you are doing.
And while the mic modeler "fools" the ear of the inexperienced, it's not the same, and will never sound exactly the same. It does a good job at some things, but it also damages the integrity of the original sound. (That's a bad thing)
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Old November 8th, 2004, 01:16 AM   #20
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Hello DSE. Did you read my post on these matters? Have I got it correct?

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Old November 8th, 2004, 04:38 PM   #21
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I wrote a interesting post about pc/mac plug-ins you can use for movie audio:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=34625


Hi eagle,

I got antares installed on my pc but I installed it a long time ago and I don't like it very much. New technologies makes it posible to achieve profesional results without distroying the original mic sample. All the big synthmakers like ROland, YAmaha are designing synth software for the future. The same goes for effects units. It is very hard to distinguish between good quality plug-ins like Waves LM2 and a 1500 dollar compression hardware module. The Lm2 plug is used in every studio nowadays. Got it and love it!!!

The best thing to fool people with your mic samples is too add 5 or less plug-ins. Basically you need 5 things to do to improve your sound:

0) high pass filter: get rid of evrything below 60 hz: <<< rumble
1) eq; better to cut those annoying EQ ranges than boost them
2) multi-band compression (level the volumes out if manual volume riding7 with atuomation doesn't help)
3) analog tube emulator (PSP plugins or Antares TUbe) will do fine). I love PSP. It add so much warmth to vocals. It is amazing. YOu also have izotope which is a all-in-1-programm or T-racks 2.
4) a toouch of reverb (cut off the low freqs within your reverb plugins; you don't want to add rumble or muddness to your sound)
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Old November 8th, 2004, 05:25 PM   #22
 
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>>>>>The best thing to fool people with your mic samples is too add 5 or less plug-ins. Basically you need 5 things to do to improve your sound:<<<<

Lordy, if it were only that easy.
Jose, FWIW, I WROTE the WAVES guides. And edited their internal books for Bob Reardon before he left WAVES. I'm quite familiar with their product line.

Finally, FWIW, my last name is "Spotted Eagle" not Eagle. Kinda like me calling you "Cani."
Grazie, I didn't read your post. Still wading through all the mail and posts while i was gone, and I leave for NYC first thing a.m. I'll catch up ASAP.
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Old November 8th, 2004, 11:25 PM   #23
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Thanks Spot! - G
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Old November 9th, 2004, 06:12 AM   #24
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Sorry Sir Douglas Spotted Eagle.

You can call me 'Cani' or ' mister Cani' if you want.
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Old November 9th, 2004, 08:53 AM   #25
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"Sir Douglas Spotted Eagle" the name has a ring to it. I think it's a keeper!
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Old November 9th, 2004, 09:10 AM   #26
 
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I think not.... :-)
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Old November 10th, 2004, 04:25 PM   #27
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Jeez. I thought this was easy but it is not!

Let me take back everything I said about the Waves expert.

From now on I will call you:

" Douglas Spotted Eagle "



I hope I said it right this time. Let me know if I need to change it. Thanks. Have a nice day and a nice night.
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Old November 10th, 2004, 09:33 PM   #28
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Or as is established: Spot

the audio tricks don't do much except degrade what you start with... it goes back to integrity: garbage in garbage out.

But, you may have fun spoofing
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Old November 11th, 2004, 07:58 AM   #29
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I looking up the word ' spoofing'.

Just to give you an example how the rel world hears audio. If you analyze ricky martin's song ' vida loca' , you see that a horrible amount of digital distortion is added. You can anaylze it the way I did with the senheiser mic samples. The tops are flatted outin a 90 degrees style. That is destoying sound. But why do normal non-profesional people think that the sound of ricky is good? Well...it is hard, isn'it it? But does that mean it is well recorded? Nope.
The same trick applies with the mic samples. YOu can make it sound like a profesional mic in front of the audience but not in front of someone who analyzes audio. At the end, the script is what makes the difference. If it is good, you won't hear the audio faults.

I am on the right ' SPOT' now I guess. :)
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Old November 11th, 2004, 09:22 PM   #30
 
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The distortion is intentional on LaVida Loca. In fact, the engineer did a commentary on that.
Distortion is sometimes pleasing to the ear if managed correctly. Squarewaves are bad, but if a smooth wave format is cropped off, it gives a certain edge and integrity, plus aggressiveness to the sound. Heck, almost ALL rap has distortion added to voice and/or drums, bass..
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