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Andy Balla March 29th, 2011 02:08 PM

Big studio with reverb issues
Hi. So I will be running audio for a feature shoot in a few months, and I'm trying to get all of my ducks in a row in advance. After going through the script, I've identified a few locations which could be inherently problematic. First of all, we're shooting this on a 5d MkII, and audio is being captured on a Zoom H4n. I have two boom mics at my disposal (Rode NTG 3 is my primary, and an AT 8015 is my backup), and also have three Sennheiser G3 wireless lav systems if needed.
The first possible problem location is a church, in the sanctuary. Fortunately, the scenes here are mostly quiet dialogue between two actors positioned pretty close together, but I am concerned about excess reverb here. I'm thinking if I boom close with the Rode NTG 3 and put lavs on the talent, I should be ok here.
The other potential issue is a studio where we will be shooting some green screen stuff. The space is about 50' X 35', with an 18' ceiling. Concrete floor with thin carpet, one wall is brick, one is drywall, and two are corrugated metal (I know, I know!). As it is, the room is a nightmare for sound, but we will be building a set in that room which will be roughly 20' x 30', fully enclosed...a room within a room kind of deal. I'm thinking the Rode plus lavs as backup here would work as well, but I won't know how much of that reverb is going to affect this set until it is built. Does anyone have suggestions for either materials to include in the building of the set to keep the reverb of the larger area down, or for better microphone options for such reverb heavy rooms? I think if it came down to a hypercardioid being the only way, we could probably swing the budget for an Octava MK-012 hypercardioid, but obviously, if we can do this well without spending the money it would be better! Thanks alot for any insights here.

Chad Johnson March 29th, 2011 04:17 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
Two words: Moving Blankets.

You can pick them up at YouHaul, and hanf them around, or place them on hard floors. Especially in the green room. You must put those up on all the walls that aren't in the shot. Nothing takes you out of the green screen illusion more than echoy room sound.

Seriously, put them up everywhere.

Andy Balla March 29th, 2011 05:24 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
Thanks for confirming my first line of attack, Chad! I don't know U-Haul's prices, but I checked with Uline...Moving Blankets, Moving Pads in Stock - ULINE and they do $13 apiece for 24 or more quantity...I'll need that many! Nice thing is, I can charge that off to the production company, since its not technically "audio gear", and they'll probably let me keep them, because they won't know what to do with them...

Jon Fairhurst March 29th, 2011 05:49 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
They can be for "protecting and moving props." Dual purpose!

Andy Balla March 29th, 2011 06:00 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
"Dual purpose"...I love it!

Ken Hull March 30th, 2011 12:03 AM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
Andy, try Harbor Freight Tools for low-priced mover's blankets. They have stores all over.

Search results for: 'movers blanket'


Bernie Beaudry March 30th, 2011 01:10 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
I've also heard that a large quantity of helium balloons floated to the ceiling can help damp down a lively room. Never tried it myself but I've read about it more than once on multiple forums.

Andy Balla March 30th, 2011 01:31 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
Thanks, Ken, for the Harbor Freight link. There's a store not far from me, and those are cheaper than Uline. As for the helium balloons, its and intriguing idea, but I'd hate to get all those balloons and have it turn out to not be helpful. Would make for an interesting story, though!

Dan Ostroff March 30th, 2011 02:15 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues

Originally Posted by Ken Hull (Post 1633182)
Andy, try Harbor Freight Tools for low-priced mover's blankets. They have stores all over.

Search results for: 'movers blanket'


Can also try Movers Supplies' Producers Choice blankets (white/black with or without grommets):

Sound Blankets Producers Choice BW Sound Blanket Oversized Producer's Choice. 6 pack, BLACK Sound Blankets Producers

A more expensive option but actually NRC rated are something like Audimute's Absorption sheets.

Audimute Sound Absorption Sheets | Materials That Absorb Sound | Soundproofing Blankets - Audimute Soundproofing

I've wondered how those absorption sheets performed side by side against the much cheaper sound blankets....

Jon Fairhurst March 30th, 2011 03:38 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
It would be nice to know how fire prone these blankets are. You wouldn't necessarily need them to be fire retardant, but you wouldn't want them to flash burn (or give off toxic gas while shooting napalm-like splatter) when next to a hot light.

Unfortunately, I don't see fire resistance mentioned. You probably need to go to installation materials like Auralex before you'd see official ratings.

It might be a good idea to get a minimum order and do a quick, outdoor lighter test before buying a big lot of the stuff. Again, you don't need them to be fireproof, just well behaved around hot lamps.

Andy Balla March 30th, 2011 04:45 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
I have considered flamability, but we will be hanging these things from the 18' ceiling well above the level of the lights, and also in a perimeter around the setup where they won't be near any lights. I will definitely give a little fire safety spiel each day we're on set, though. I can just add it to my "turn off you cell phones and if you're not on camera or in the active crew, sit down and shut up" spiel. Doing a test burn isn't a bad idea either, just so we know exactly what we're dealing with.

Jon Fairhurst March 30th, 2011 06:11 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
Yeah, fire is unlikely, but you don't want to contribute to the risk if you can avoid it.

A past boss of mine previously managed a research group at a large tech company. They had a nitrogen fire suppression system in one of their materials labs. One day they had a fire drill. A guy in the lab thought, "screw it. It's just a drill and I'm in the middle of an experiment." Even though it was a drill, the air in the lab was replaced with nitrogen and the guy suffocated. Needless to say, they changed their fire drill procedures and improved training - after the accident.

Stay safe out there!

Andy Balla March 31st, 2011 04:07 PM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
That's a crazy story, Jon! I'll look around and see if there are any fire retardant treatments that can be done to the blankets after we get them...Something like Scotch-Guard, only fire retardant, not stain repelling...

Jim Andrada April 1st, 2011 12:44 AM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
fire retardant | flame retardant | fireproofing

Re flame retardant sprays etc. This is just one - google flame retardant sprays.

Andy Balla April 1st, 2011 08:01 AM

Re: Big studio with reverb issues
Thanks for the link, Jim. That stuff looks like the business for this kind of application. It's not cheap, but looks to be worth the money.

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