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Sergej Semibratov · October 5th, 2012, 01:09 AM

I have a wedding to film on Saturday (6th Octoboer - tomorrow, yes).

This is the first time I need to record a church choir. We do not have vows from where I'm from so I only use H4n and EW100 wireless mic for the priest.

Here is a picture of the church, the choir should be at the benches on the right.

http://shrani.si/f/1P/KL/3YrDh9G9/church.jpg

I don't know if the benches will be moved and they will stand closer to the wall on the right or if they will stand between the benches and the podium/stage.

I only have access to another H4 and:

Sennheiser ME66

Sennheiser ME62

And I also have a Rode VideoMic Pro which is usually on my 5D2 most of the time.

Can the above mics be of any help?

Many thanks

Steve House · October 5th, 2012, 05:42 AM

A shotgun like the ME66 will not be a good choice for a spread-out source like a choir unless you're trying to pick out a single soloist standing in front of the group. It's pattern is just too tight for a group like that. The VideoMic suffers the same limitation. The ME62 is an omni and would be a possible choice mounted on a mic stand a few feet in front of the choir. It would have a smoother pickup of the entire group but since it is sensitive to sound from all directions it will also pick up audience coughs, room reflections, etc, The optimum option in the Sennheiser series would be the one you don't have - the ME64 cardioid. A hemispheric shaped pattern like that can pick up the whole choir smoothly but is less sensitive to sound coming from behind it so there wouldn't be as much room intruding.

Rob Neidig · October 5th, 2012, 09:19 AM

Of the options you have, it sounds like using the internal mics on your second H4 is probably the best option. Find a spot in front of the choir where you get a nice blend and place it there.

Have fun!

Rob

Rick Reineke · October 5th, 2012, 11:54 AM

I'm with Rob, with what you have, the H4n's internal mics are your best bet. Stick on a mic stand (with a shock mount) in front of and and slightly above the choir pointing towards the center of the group. Optimum positioning is a guessing game unless you can do a sound check. On a separate recorder (or track) you could put your omni pointing at the audience for ambient, applause, ect. .. if needed.

Brett Delmage · October 9th, 2012, 10:57 PM

What does a shock mount that would isolate an H4n look like? I'd be interested for my H4n, but have never seen one. I appreciate the choir suggestions here, as I have to record a choir too. Thanks to all.

Paul R Johnson · October 10th, 2012, 12:32 AM

the coincident stereo mics on these recorders are ideal for recording choirs in stereo. Key to success is height, so you can look down slightly - a boom stand on full height will do the trick. As for isolation, three foam pads gaffe red to the stand feet will usually suffice. The room is a bit lopsided for a perfect result, but these compact recorders were designed originally to do this kind of recording! You'll probably find that the parallel walls will not give the choir the right 'lift' so some subtle reverb may help sweeten it up.

Stereo recording of real acoustic ensembles always sounds so good compared with using these devices on music groups with some amplified sources and a PA.

Rick Reineke · October 10th, 2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett Delmage

What does a shock mount that would isolate an H4n look like?

The 1/4"-20 stand mount adapter that comes with the Zoom H2.. fits in a SM57/58 sized mic's shock mount nicely. For instance the Shure A55M works great... don't know about the other Zoom recorders having the stand mount adapter but most Zooms and other PARs have the 1/4"-20 threaded insert. The stand mount adapter is nothing more than tapered plastic piece the shape of a H/H mic body with a 1/4"-20 stud at the larger end.

Mike Beckett · October 11th, 2012, 05:08 AM

There's also a solution from Rycote: Portable Recorder Audio Kit » Rycote

You can also buy the various bits and pieces individually. I have the Rycote for my Tascam DR-40, and it does a great job of reducing handling noise.

Colin McDonald · October 11th, 2012, 01:16 PM

I use a RODE SM3 Shockmount tilted vertically on a mic stand along with the plastic handle thingy which comes with the H4N. Works fine on a static setup and I had all the bits already.

Not sure that I would want to use that if I was going to be moving about though, as the H4N is quite heavy and the plastic cone/thingy tends to shoogle downwards on the shock mount and can end up grounding on the SM3.

Ron Cooper · October 16th, 2012, 07:44 PM

Why not simply use the lighter weight Zoom H2n. It's mikes are the same as in the H4, costs less, and sound excellent in these situations for XY stereo recording.

As you are recording directly into itself the lack of XLR I/Ps are not an issue. - I am surprised that the H2N is not used more widely. I find it an excellent little device.

RonC.

October 5th, 2012, 01:09 AM	#1
Sergej Semibratov New Boot Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia Posts: 8	Need to record a church choir I have a wedding to film on Saturday (6th Octoboer - tomorrow, yes). This is the first time I need to record a church choir. We do not have vows from where I'm from so I only use H4n and EW100 wireless mic for the priest. Here is a picture of the church, the choir should be at the benches on the right. http://shrani.si/f/1P/KL/3YrDh9G9/church.jpg I don't know if the benches will be moved and they will stand closer to the wall on the right or if they will stand between the benches and the podium/stage. I only have access to another H4 and: Sennheiser ME66 Sennheiser ME62 And I also have a Rode VideoMic Pro which is usually on my 5D2 most of the time. Can the above mics be of any help? Many thanks

October 5th, 2012, 05:42 AM	#2
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Re: Need to record a church choir A shotgun like the ME66 will not be a good choice for a spread-out source like a choir unless you're trying to pick out a single soloist standing in front of the group. It's pattern is just too tight for a group like that. The VideoMic suffers the same limitation. The ME62 is an omni and would be a possible choice mounted on a mic stand a few feet in front of the choir. It would have a smoother pickup of the entire group but since it is sensitive to sound from all directions it will also pick up audience coughs, room reflections, etc, The optimum option in the Sennheiser series would be the one you don't have - the ME64 cardioid. A hemispheric shaped pattern like that can pick up the whole choir smoothly but is less sensitive to sound coming from behind it so there wouldn't be as much room intruding. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

October 5th, 2012, 09:19 AM	#3
Rob Neidig Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 222	Re: Need to record a church choir Of the options you have, it sounds like using the internal mics on your second H4 is probably the best option. Find a spot in front of the choir where you get a nice blend and place it there. Have fun! Rob

October 5th, 2012, 11:54 AM	#4
Rick Reineke Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,038	Re: Need to record a church choir I'm with Rob, with what you have, the H4n's internal mics are your best bet. Stick on a mic stand (with a shock mount) in front of and and slightly above the choir pointing towards the center of the group. Optimum positioning is a guessing game unless you can do a sound check. On a separate recorder (or track) you could put your omni pointing at the audience for ambient, applause, ect. .. if needed.

October 9th, 2012, 10:57 PM	#5
Brett Delmage Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 34	Re: Need to record a church choir What does a shock mount that would isolate an H4n look like? I'd be interested for my H4n, but have never seen one. I appreciate the choir suggestions here, as I have to record a choir too. Thanks to all.

October 10th, 2012, 12:32 AM	#6
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,016	Re: Need to record a church choir the coincident stereo mics on these recorders are ideal for recording choirs in stereo. Key to success is height, so you can look down slightly - a boom stand on full height will do the trick. As for isolation, three foam pads gaffe red to the stand feet will usually suffice. The room is a bit lopsided for a perfect result, but these compact recorders were designed originally to do this kind of recording! You'll probably find that the parallel walls will not give the choir the right 'lift' so some subtle reverb may help sweeten it up. Stereo recording of real acoustic ensembles always sounds so good compared with using these devices on music groups with some amplified sources and a PA.

October 11th, 2012, 05:08 AM	#8
Mike Beckett Trustee Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 1,569	Re: Need to record a church choir There's also a solution from Rycote: Portable Recorder Audio Kit » Rycote You can also buy the various bits and pieces individually. I have the Rycote for my Tascam DR-40, and it does a great job of reducing handling noise.

October 11th, 2012, 01:16 PM	#9
Colin McDonald Trustee Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 1,546	Re: Need to record a church choir I use a RODE SM3 Shockmount tilted vertically on a mic stand along with the plastic handle thingy which comes with the H4N. Works fine on a static setup and I had all the bits already. Not sure that I would want to use that if I was going to be moving about though, as the H4N is quite heavy and the plastic cone/thingy tends to shoogle downwards on the shock mount and can end up grounding on the SM3.

October 16th, 2012, 07:44 PM	#10
Ron Cooper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 481	Re: Need to record a church choir Why not simply use the lighter weight Zoom H2n. It's mikes are the same as in the H4, costs less, and sound excellent in these situations for XY stereo recording. As you are recording directly into itself the lack of XLR I/Ps are not an issue. - I am surprised that the H2N is not used more widely. I find it an excellent little device. RonC.