Need advice about how to compare mic specs
 

I’m new to DSLR video and I’m shopping for a microphone to use with my Canon 5DII and JuicedLink preamp. I plan to use it primarily for two things: (1) recording solo and small ensemble classical music (esp. clarinet and other woodwinds); and (2) soundscapes while traveling.

Two of the mics I'm considering are quite similar in many respects, probably because one is the successor model to the other. But two differences have caught my eye: frequency response and sensitivity. Here are the numbers:

Mic #1: Frequency Response: 20-15,000 Hz -- Open Circuit Sensitivity: Phantom: -38 dB (12.5 mV) re 1V at 1 Pa Battery: 38 dB (12.5 mV) re 1V at 1 Pa

Mic #2: Frequency Response: 30-20,000 Hz -- Open Circuit Sensitivity: -47 dB (4.4 mV) re 1V at 1 Pa

I gather that a wider frequency response is probably better than a narrower one, at least if one is searching for accuracy rather than tonal color. Similarly, higher sensitivity would also seem to be a good thing. (On a related note, is the difference in sensitivity here at all significant in the first place?) But is either more important for my purposes? I know that it’s dangerous to base a microphone comparison only on specs, but how should I use this data to guide my decision-making? Please bear in mind that I cannot try either or both of these mics before I purchase.

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I am not an audio professional and cannot comment on your technical question, however, I have Mic #2 and record classical music (quartets) frequently. Mic #2 microphone either attached directly to my 5DII or to Zoom H4N (via XLR), provides great results. I like the sound better when attached to Zoom H4N. Also, it is better compared to recordings with internal microphones of Zoom (don't know the frequency range) or with another stereo microphone I have (freq. range 50-18,000). I am guessing that Mic #1 will record great audio since it is the successor, and also having a freq. range 20-15,000 (will pick up bass sounds better).

The only thing I don't like with Mic#2 is that it does not have a battery indicator or ON/OFF switch, so I end up putting a fresh battery every time I do a recording. But this is not a problem if you are going to use phantom power from JuicedLink preamp.

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Sorry, you cannot select a microphone based on the published specifications. There are many reasons for this that we won't get into here unless you are interested in the philosophy and ethics of marketing.

"Frequency response" is pretty meaningless without seeing a graph of response vs. frequency. And even then getting a truly representative frequency response graph is almost impossible. Furthermore, it is very rare that you will ever use the bottom or top octaves of the response (or even the first TWO octaves). Also important is the polar response, i.e.what is the frequency response off-axis.

"Sensitivity" is also a very difficult spec to judge by. Because it isn't really possible to make any sense out of it without knowing the self-noise of the microphone as well.

If you want help selecting a microphone, you will need to actually reveal WHAT microphone(s) you are considering and ask for advice from people who own them or have used or tested them in the applications you need.

Keep in mind that recording audio on a DSLR is a rather tenuous thing, even with a mic preamp like the JuicedLink. Unless you can disable the automatic level "feature" your camera is ill-suited for either environmental or music recording.

It is not clear how Mr. Bol can talk about specific microphones when Mr. Pry does not appeared to have identified them? Am I missing something here?

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if a mic is not covering the full range of frequencies then aren't a lot of the beautiful nuances of overtones and harmonics being lost?

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Richard is 100% right when he says never to choose a microphone on it's spec. There are obvious things in the specs that sometimes are critical for certain applications, such as sensitivity, but in general - it's very uncommon to see mics ever detailed as having less than 40-20,000Hz paper specs. Virtually all condensers can manage this. Some of the most expensive microphones have anything but flat frequency responses.

I'd also suggest that maybe video forums are the wrong place to get accurate audio advice. Some advice on audio matters on video forums is simply crazy! Look at the audio recording and live sound forums - their advice (and user demographic) is much better - quantity and quality. Having a foot in both camps, I note that when they give video advice, it's equally compromised.

The requirements of recording real instruments in proper spaces is far more complex than imagined. Microphone choice and placement are really critical factors. Even a solo instrument, in a nice space can be considered as a 'stereo' source - because of the reverberation and player movement, the instrument has identifiable width, so you are forced to consider stereo technique. The mention was made of overtones, and these are responsible for the listener being able to identify the instrument as having cylindrical or conical bore - reduce the upper range and the character changes. As we're talking about audio for video, you also need to consider the visual impact. Can you have microphones in shot? If not, then stereo technique is even more important. If we accept that distances may have to be greater than idea, then the important area to consider is noise - very few mics have poor performance in this area, even the worst ones are usually overshadowed by the preamp noise of the device they're plugged into. Having a sensitive mic means preamps have to work less hard, and are less noisy. Matching a low output mic like a ribbon with anything less than a properly designed preamp is not going to be good. That said, most of the popular condensers have pretty decent sensitivity.

I'd simply draw up a shortlist of mics you can afford and then read the audio reviews on audio sites. They're using only ears to judge - video people often treat good audio as being the fact there is some, and it doesn't hum!

If you are starting out, then one of the popular single piece stereo mics (like the Rodes) can produce good results - and can be put in a windshield and used outside. Video people are often quite polarised on makes and models, often I feel, based on nothing but snobbery or poor assessment. People talk about rules, or insistence on certain makes - and nothing shakes them.

If you can't hire a mic or borrow one locally, then buy from one of the on-line retailers who accept returns. It could cost you the return postage but could be worth it.

I have dozens of microphones in the case. Some I use almost daily, others less often. For recording choirs or expensive traditional instruments I personally favour very different mics from those I have connected to my cameras. In fact, I've got one of my favourite quite cheap condenser cardioids attached to one camera almost permanently because I used it by accident once - and really liked the sound, which seemed to match the lens on wide angle much better than the short shotgun it has had attached since new.

Practical issues are simply
battery only, battery and phantom, or phantom only
Pick-up pattern. cardioid, hyper or omni (I never use anything longer on instruments as they don't sound real enough for me)
size - as in how ugly in shot!

To end with the specs - if you read the spec for the AKG C1000 microphone you will find it has everything, excellent frequency response, sensitivity, self-noise and battery and phantom. It is, however, in my opinion the most horrible sounding microphone I have ever owned. Some people say how good they are, and if they say this, I categorise them as never having heard anything else, or just confused.

Google it and see how divided opinion is - from a mic that SHOULD be excellent - reading the spec!

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Specs can be misleading and many times can look the same but have a different basis of measure.
Mics are designed to hear or reject.
They may have differing patterns even with the same freq. resp.
They have a proximity differing as well.
Some may sound great and some real cheap.
Your ears will have to help you decide. Go to a good shop and listen to them.

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I'd suggest taking a look at Oade Brothers website. They have microphones broken down by "use" and then further sub-divided by cost, i.e., Premium, Mid-grade and Regular. I found it very helpful. I'd also suggest finding a copy of "Ty Ford's Audio Bootcamp Field Guide". I find myself referring to both resources again and again.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

J.

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Specs are a poor way to select a mic but are often a good reason to reject a candidate. I would reject mic #2 based on the low sensitivity. It would be fine as a close mic, but poor as a mic at a distance with a juicedLink and DSLR. You'd end up turning the DSLR gain so high that you would get too much noise from the recording system, regardless of mic quality.

For dialog (often recorded at 1.5 - 4 feet away and sometimes whispered), -40dB sensitivity is about as low as you'd want to go. For chamber music and ambient sounds, -30dB would be a better match for a juicedLink/DSLR. Generally, people who record ambient sounds go for the best sensitivity and noise specs they can get from both the mic and recorder. (The Fostex FR-2LE has good value in this regard and can be even better with preamp mods.)

Other important factors are the acceptance pattern of the mic and ruggedness, if you record in rough conditions.

Acceptance patterns are a compromise. If it's too tight (like a lobar shotgun), you can get boomy sounds from the room or a surrounding crowd. If it's too loose (like an omni or cardioid), you might pick up more off-axis sounds than you might like. This is where experience, placement, and possibly baffles can make a big difference. There's also the issue of the stereo pattern, which can be achieved with spaced mics, an x-y setup or a mid-side recording with a figure-8 mic.

So, yeah, a spec sheet doesn't tell you what will sound good, but it does tell me that mic 2 will likely sound bad with your recording setup for those applications.

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Hi Richard,

When I read the original post, the specifications listed were very familiar to me because I own Mic#2 (AT825) and I am also familiar with Mic#1 (BP8022, successor). Since the original poster plans to do classical music recordings with a 5D MII and the microphones in question, I wanted to share my experience of recording quartets using 5D MII + AT825. If the original poster is interested, I can post samples of my recordings.

I hope this helps.

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Wow! You guys have given me a TON of helpful information. (And believe me, I've already done my due diligence on this question!) And Pedanes is aboslutely correct: the two mics are the Audio Technica AT825 (#2) and AT8022 (#1).

So, does anyone want to recommend a particular one-point stereo mic? It must have balanced XLR output and be suitable for use it in a hot shoe mount. I do not need/want a shotgun mic.

I like what I read about the NT4 except for its size and weight (I've read reports of it falling out of its shockmount); besides, its price used on ebay is at the absolute top of my price range. One new brand I've discovered from your advice is the SuperLux, which has several different stereo models, and appears to be priced extremely competitively. Anybody have any experience with them?

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Hi Lawrence - thanks for stopping by and throwing up your first post.

The good news it you got a lot of responses already. Unfortunately, data sheet numbers don't tell the whole story because mics, speakers, and the like "color" the audio. And so do the human ears because all our hearing isn't 20 to 20K Hz with a flat response capable.

If the most important audio you want to capture with your rig is the quartets, what about providing information about the kind of venues - street, indoors, ?, can there be a mic stand? cables? is this just for personal enjoyment or will there be a higher standard? Those kinds of things. And then maybe ask for suggestions?

Since a mic needs to be close to the sound source then if it's a camera-mounted mic you're looking for then it'll be either nothing will work or anything will work but not do it well.

Mic selection for instruments can get really technical (string, reed, percussion, etc.) and, as previously stated, very opinionated. As suggested, going to some sites that specialize in audio can be helpful but there were already some very useful comments here.

Personally, I own a JuicedLink pre and the cost of my three mics - and I still don't have the one I really need for recording the instruments I want - cost more than probably 5x the value of my camera.

Mics are kinda like paintbrushes - an artist has a quiver full, a house painter has a couple, and they're all different and used for different purposes and with different paints. Talk to a guy who does varnish on his classic wood boat and he'll use a different brush depending on the varnish. Talk to two guys who do varnish on a boat and they'll recommend different brushes! And different varnishes!

Your job is to get all the input you can and figure it out! (oh, and good luck!)

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Thanks John.

Here's the expected set-up: I’ll be recording indoors with a mic stand placed as close to the performer(s) as possible without annoying either performer or audience. I anticipate placing my camera at the back of the room, which means that 25-50 feet of cable will be required (hence, balanced output). I’ll be recording both for personal enjoyment and for the use of the musicians and/or their teacher(s) (at the University of Minnesota School of Music). I’m inclined toward a one-point mic because I want to also have the option of using it on-camera. I’d consider getting a Rode Stereo Videomic Pro, which can be used both on- and off-camera, but the unbalanced output gives me pause.

I want to get good sound (don’t we all!), but it needn’t be broadcast-quality and I’m not really interested (and my wife is definitely NOT interested) in spending too much money for what is essentially an occasional hobby, and is definitely secondary to my interest in still photography (in pursuit of which I’ve dropped far more coin than I care to admit).

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Rode's Stereo Videomic is about the lowest price offering worth considering. Most mics in the same or lower price ranges are consumer toys not worth serious consideration. A pro-grade stereo mic offering balanced connections is going to set you back somewhat more than that. I see that B&H carry the AT8022 for $325 and the Rode NT4 for $529, You could always get a pair of cardioid pencil mics and a stereo bar for mounting them together on a single stand.

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And with the Audio Technica AT8022 we've come full circle.

It seems to fit the bill and everybody says nice things about it--though no one seems to have actually used it--but its frequency range tops out at 15k Hz. That's what gives me pause. Am I being unreasonable? Its predecessor, the AT825, shows a more complete frequency range, but its sensitivity is significantly lower.

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Lawrence - here's my take:

That's the same mic I use for generic family point-'n-shoot stuff and, like Steve said, it'd probably work as well as any for what you're doing. I'm guessing you'll be exporting (FCPX "Sharing") via YouTube, Vimeo (I prefer), or DVDs. Given that kind of Sharing it'll be 'good enough for Government work.' However, I can't speak for the wire run because I've only used it on-camera to replace the built-in mic. One thing for sure, it won't work on-camera from that distance, even for the assumed low-quality Sharing level. Nice mic, nice suspension, nice coiled pigtail cord. On/Off switch with LED, and low-cut switch. Good bang for the buck.

Uh-oh. If you think the still camera hobby was expensive, just wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet! You're going into a realm that's a whole magnitude more expensive. If you have the least amount of perfectionism this new hobby area is going to cost you some major bucks. Just so you know what you're getting into and don't say you wern't warned. Sharing stuff with University people you're going to want to have some decent quality.

Look at the thread in the Audio section http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/all-thin...o-section.html and see what some pretty expert people had to say about recording pianos, choirs, and other instruments and you'll quickly see that good audio is a huge field all by itself. Audio on family videos is something that only a mother can love. Audio for your audience will probably like something above that but what you're doing is probably better than anything your audience has now. Go for it and don't accept any static (from your audience).

And speaking of better audio equipment, tell your wife that it can be better and remember, there are birthdays and other events so there is no end of things she can get for you. Does she sing or play an instrument? You could even make her look/sound good. Hey, if the answer to this is "yes" - (read: "bingo") does she have a birthday coming up???

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Lawrence,

Here is a sample recording I made with AT825 attached directly to D5 MII. In this case the microphone and camera were about 6-8 ft away from the quartet. When I listen to the audio with a studio monitor headphone I cannot detect any hiss sound and I believe sensitivity is not an issue. (I am old, might not be hearing it).

AT825 Audio Sample

I am very satisfied with this microphone in my setting (which is very similar to what you want to do). With an XLR connection and JuicedLink preamp you may get even better audio. You may find a 25ft or 50ft 5-pin stereo XLR cable at B&H. You may attach the 5-pin to double 3-pin splitter which comes with AT825 to the extension cable at the JuicedLink end.

I think this is a great stereo microphone and since it is discontinued you can get a used one cheap.

I hope this helps, good luck.

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Give us an example of anything out in the Real World for which you need 20KHz response?
I strongly suspect that the 15KHz is a much more realistic statement of how BOTH microphones perform.

If you are recording bats, then you need a special ultrasonic microphone anyway. Else I can't think of ANYTHING on this planet for which you really need 20KHz response.

IMHO, yes, you are being unreasonable. No offense intended, you asked. :-)

You will hear a MUCH BIGGER difference moving the same microphone 6 inches than you would between a microphone with a 20KHz spec vs. a mic with 15KHz spec.

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While i agree that mic placement is critically important, i have to strongly disagree with this statement:

'I can't think of ANYTHING on this planet for which you really need 20KHz response.'

limiting your frequency range to 15Khz, especially for a string quartet, is like sticking a dirty sock on your mic. all of the subtle nuances and incalculable interactions between overtones and harmonics will be compromised. often adding a small boost in the higher frequencies will open up the sound considerably and add 'air'. if the frequencies aren't there, they aren't there. a bit like bits- would you rather color correct with 8 bits or 16?

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What has 'what you hear' got to do with what the people who listen to your material can hear. My hearing now I'm over 50 is completely gone at 17KHz - no amount of level is heard, but you try recording some 18-20KHz tones at full level on a CD, open the window and play it when young people are around. You can drive them mad!

I record all my audio projects at 48, or often 96KHz sampling rates, with 24 bit depth because I can - the intention is to record for those golden eared people who can hear the difference - the fact I can't benefit myself means nothing at all!

There is also plenty of evidence that indicates that the information in the upper range conveys additional information some people can detect. Indeed, the special tone that some instruments produce because they are quality/expensive is lost if you remove the overtones - and many of these are over the cut-off of individuals. However, nobody has a hard cutoff - hearing just gradually deteriorates with age. I can hear 16KHz pretty clearly, it gets quieter at 16.5KHz and is gone by 17! We're all different - but many musical instruments generate sound over 15KHz - even jangling a bunch of keys does this!

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The data I've seen indicate that several instrument--most notably cymbals, piccolos, and violins--all produce harmonic frequencies up to 16k Hz. The human voice apparently also produces "breath/air" frequencies up to 16k Hz. All things being equal, my assumption is that it's better to capture these frequencies than not. It seems to me that without these higher frequencies, the recording could sound flat or listless.

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Of course, you are assuming that because the marketing prose SAYS "20KHz" the microphone actually has usable response all the way up there. You will find that the more honest microphone manufacturers have published specs that LOOK "worse" because they are honest.

Frankly, I don't think EITHER of those mics has anything resembling flat response out to 20KHz, but the "15KHz" spec is probably a more honest representation of what to expect in the Real World.

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For compressed video (and audio) on the web, content above 16kHz isn't all that important. Analog TVs (NTSC) had rescan at 15,750, which was an audible (to some) squeal. Content above that frequency simply didn't matter.

Now, if you're recording for CD/SACD/DVD-A for music distribution, that's another story. Many listen to music closely in controlled environments. In my experience, I don't really "hear" the difference between 16-bit 44.1 kHz music and 24-bit 192 kHz music, but I find that the soundstage is much better defined with higher quality recordings. This matters for "sweet spot" listening, but not for FM radio in the car - or even for an audiophile system when in the kitchen doing dishes.

Keep in mind that the mic you list likely doesn't have a (non-fiscal) cliff at the cutoff. The specs don't show how many dB down the mics are at the cutoffs, so the "15 kHz" mic might have the superior high-end response with fewer resonance points and shallower dips.

My main two points are:
1) The importance of higher frequencies depends on the context, and
2) The 15 kHz spec doesn't tell the whole story.

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Thanks Jon. You're right, there is no "cliff" at the end of the frequency response graph. Here's a link to the graph:
AT8022 Frequency Response

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In my experience, a boost around 2.4 kHz can give a voice or instrument more character (positive) or a more nasal (negative) sound. A boost from 5-15 kHz adds "air", but can also add noise. As long as a mic is relatively clean and uncolored in these regions, you can adjust to taste with EQ.

Regarding the string recording posted earlier, you can hear the (overly?) nasal tones of the viola clearly. The bump above 5 kHz keeps it from sounding muted. Even though the piece didn't include much space between notes, you can hear the noise (above your amplifier noise) by pausing and playing the file. It's not bad when the music is "full" (for online video), but could be a problem for a sparse piece and would definitely be a problem for ambient recordings.

Sound for picture is especially critical of noise. When recording dialog, there is space between words. When recording footsteps, a glass clinking, or a pencil writing on paper, there is often more space than sound. To make noisy recordings usable, one can apply noise reduction, but then things can sound distorted and "underwater".

So, while the violin piece is an example of a chamber work, I doubt that its representative of the breadth of recordings one would want for a woodwind ensemble and soundscapes.

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Hi Lawrence - congratulations! You're up to 6 posts now. Sounds like "we" (DVinfo) might be a keeper??

Hey guys, this thread is really moving along on the frequency topic which is all well and good, really adds to the information, but there are a few questions that I still have:

1. "How will the resultant video be viewed or disseminated?" f.e., via DVD, YouTube, etc?

2. Cost-benefit or bang-for-the-buck: While perfection in this case would really be nice, and Lawrence did indicate he is heavily invested in photography gear (my kinda guy!), this is a new area he is getting into (i.e., video), and he did state some concerns about going overboard on budget (gotta keep the wife from getting P.Oed), there has to be some trade-offs. Where does one draw the line? What's good and good enough?

3. How will the video be edited? iMovie? FCPX, or something else? How long is it envisioned to be?

4. What are your/Lawrence's future video plans or aspirations? Are you being honest with us when you say you want to keep equipment costs down? Or is this just a ruse to keep the wife off-guard?

Lawrence, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd think that some kind of compromise might be in order. You're doing this video stuff as a freebie and up till now they (the audience) hasn't got anything to see except for perhaps a few video clips here and there so almost anything you're trying to do will be a real step up from what they've had/seen previously.

For starters, based on what I've read, it SEEMS that Lawrence really does want to keep costs down. The reality, though, is he'll probably opt for some $200-300 budget mic for now and if things go according to how I think they will go, more and better mics will be added later an the SO will roll over on it to keep her man happy (assuming they're still a couple).

Solution: Get the show on the road! Forget the nuances (for now). Go buy the Rode Stereo Video mic, make some recordings, edit and distribute them, and see how it goes. We're here to serve (and help spend your bucks).

If everything goes well, and we hope it will, come back and ask what to upgrade to. In the meantime, you have a really good little mic for all the family point-and-shoot stuff. This will buy you some time to soften up the S.O. for what's to come later.

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or a something like a zoom h4n... and maybe plural eyes. then you can walk around with headphones and find the sweet spot and also not have a 12 min time limit (i think you were going to record audio on DSLR?). you'd have to be pretty careful with levels as you likely would be too far to monitor/change them, but there is an on board compressor/limiter that would help out. recording with a mic to (most) DSLRs without a preamp, you wouldn't be able to even see the levels or change them when recording anyway...
i think the onboard mics sound pretty good, and you can always add more mics later for greater versatility ie: record with internal mics and external mics at different levels for safety, and also out to the DSLR.

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Thanks again to all, especially to John for such a kind welcome.

Like John, I agree that it is time to get the show on the road. To that end, I've bought an Audio Technica AT825 on ebay. I've read many good reviews of this mic and Pedanes's experience encouraged me to pull the trigger. I'll use it for a while and see what happens. Frankly, I'll be very surprised if it isn't suitable for my (humble) needs.

I do want to say a brief word in response to Brian's suggestion about the H4n. Actually, my most recent foray into DSLR video was using a rented H4n. I was quite happy with the sound and I found it fairly easy to use. I just started it and let it run throughout a 45-minute recital. Meanwhile, I had to start and stop the 5DII from time to time because of that 12-minute file limit. What a pain in the ass!! So, what's wrong with this setup? I still haven't been able to sync the audio and video. I'm using Premiere Elements (for the first time) and thus I can't use PluralEyes. If anyone knows another way to get this done, other than trial and error (which isn't working out so far), I'm open to suggestions. I decided that from now on I'm recording the audio with the video. End of story.

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I sync manually, generally using Vegas Pro. I set the DSLR to AUTO volume when using an external recorder so I'm guaranteed of having a strong signal that doesn't clip badly. Here's my process:

1) Get things close by whatever means possible.
2) Zoom in and align the waveforms.
3) Listen to the camera and external audio together with somewhat balanced levels. Fine tune the alignment until I hear minimal echo.
4) Mute the camera audio.

Unless there are many, many cuts, I find that manual alignment is fast enough that I've never felt a need for an automatic solution.

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Adding a Recorder? Sounds like gear collecting! This is what video is all about. Well, let me re-phrase that a bit. This is what one wants for doing video. I'm in a similar boat so to speak, and was also looking at getting a recorder because I didn't care for the cable issues. However, that has been put on hold for a bit while I work on more pressing issues that have risen to a higher level of importance.

My first choice started out being the H4n but since then the Tascam DR-40 is the one I'm using for a comparison standard because of its low noise. I haven't by any means finished making comparisons or reading user comments with other recorders, or even determined for sure if this is really what is needed. Just thought I'd throw this out there as something else to look at or consider.

With regard to mics, one thing to be really careful about is making sure what you're getting isn't counterfeit. Shure and Sennheiser are two popular brands that counterfeiters like to replicate and I'm sure that there are others. Anyway, being forewarned is being forearmed. With an eBay purchase make a screen shot of the ad before it's gone and if it is charged on a major card and turns out to be fraudulent, maybe you could be protected, I don't know. This worked for me once with a purchase of an OEM battery and they sent me a generic one instead but the card company did a go-between and reversed the charge. There are lots of fraudsters out there!

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I agree with Jon. Make sure you record H4N audio at 48kHz/16bit mode. This syncs well with D5MII audio.