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Old March 6th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #16
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The ME-66 is presenting a lower noise floor.. .
Eh?
It's a noisier mic by 5 dB (but that's still pretty good for a shotgun. Røde's NTG-3 is 3 dB more).
OK that's just the self noise, but looking at the files in any editing software, it's very easy to see a higher noise floor from the ME 66. The extra noise can also clearly be heard, so how is that 'presenting a lower noise floor'?

Unless I have been misunderstanding the term 'noise floor' all these years?


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Old March 6th, 2014, 05:54 PM   #17
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Colin, if we can both hear and see excess noise in one of the samples during the "silence" portion, then one of us has the two mics backwards.

I can hear more during the silence in the file called "mic #1." That's the Rode, if I read correctly.

Am I confusing "Noise Floor" with "Signal-to-Noise Ratio?"
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Old March 6th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #18
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Noise floor. There's significant acoustical borne noise in there.
My rough measurements are:
#1 -50dBFS (-61.5 LUFS int.)
#2 -54dBFS.(-66.5 LUFS int.)
The difference is insignificant for this.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 05:16 AM   #19
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Colin, if we can both hear and see excess noise in one of the samples during the "silence" portion, then one of us has the two mics backwards.

I can hear more during the silence in the file called "mic #1." That's the Rode, if I read correctly.

Am I confusing "Noise Floor" with "Signal-to-Noise Ratio?"
[Grovel] No - it's MY mistake. I had the mics the wrong way round for some reason. A thousand apologies.[/Grovel]

I downloaded them again (this time in the right order) and checked. Here's a screen shot in Audacity
(I dumped one of the stereo channels (R) in each for clarity:
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Old March 7th, 2014, 11:19 AM   #20
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That's a strange looking waveform Colin. Looks like it's highly compressed (dynamic). Could be just the Audacity display.
Here's what I get:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/members/...-sf-11-pro.jpg
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Old March 7th, 2014, 12:26 PM   #21
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You have a voice for radio, by the way.
Finn, Thanks for the prop, but it made me laugh! I can't stand the sound of my own recorded voice. I am not ready to confess what this project is in it's entirety but I AM a part of it. With more than 20 years in the business I know my place is behind the camera, not in front of one. I tried to sweeten an audio track from this set up last night. I found it very difficult to EQ my own voice. I think I got it, but it was hard to know when to let it go.

Colin, You did use dynamic compression on that file, right. That was the first thing I noticed on your screen shot. Those files are dry, straight, from the camera. Mic, XLR, Sony pre-amps. I considered recording audio outside of the camera to avoid the Sony pre-amps. But look what mics I am using anyway. Overall, the recordings are good enough to work with in post. Nothing big to repair, just normal sweetening.

This is a work in progress, stay tuned. I could be back crying and screaming for help! Thanks for everyone's input.

By the way. I am recording with both mics but the ME66 gets discarded in post. The NT1A clearly gives me more of what I want to work with.

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Old March 7th, 2014, 12:28 PM   #22
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I had set the Audicity display for a larger than usual bit depth (16 bit) to look at the noise floor.
Here are the same files with the display set to 10 bit:
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