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David Morgan · December 14th, 2006, 06:08 PM

I'm sure this is common but I don't get it. I'm looking for a shotgun mic for my Canon XH A1.
The external holder has a center diameter that is way too large to accommodate the shotgun mics that I've found.
What are people doing about this? I've noticed the same problem with the Sony Z1 and other cameras. Way too large an opening for the barrel of the mic.

Vito DeFilippo · December 14th, 2006, 08:11 PM

Hi David,

If you look a few threads below at "Mounting Rode NT2 to an XL2?", you'll see a couple of suggestions that might help.

I've also seen a product called a JRod that is supposed to help with that exact problem. You can do a search for that.

For my Z1, I took apart the shock mount that came with my Rode, screwed it to a bit of broom stick handle that fit exactly in my mic holder, and mounted the shock mount to that. Works like a charm. I painted it blue after I took these pictures The left over shoe attachment came in handy for my wireless transmitter, too, so it all worked out.

I'm guess what I'm trying to say is, don't be afraid to mess around and build something if you can't find a product that will do what you want...

Steve House · December 14th, 2006, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Morgan

I'm sure this is common but I don't get it. I'm looking for a shotgun mic for my Canon XH A1.
The external holder has a center diameter that is way too large to accommodate the shotgun mics that I've found.
What are people doing about this? I've noticed the same problem with the Sony Z1 and other cameras. Way too large an opening for the barrel of the mic.

Take a look at the K-Tek BWC adapter. It's a plug that sized to fit into the Canon and others mic collar and has a 3/8x16 threaded stud to fit the hole of a standard shockmount. http://mklemme.com/pole/kbwc.html

Bruce S. Yarock · December 15th, 2006, 02:10 AM

I use an AT 897 on my Canon XLH1 (used it for 2 yaers on my XL2). Iwrapped ahrd rubber around it so it would fit snugly in the holder. Ilost the rubber and now just wedge a piece of foam in the holder to help keep the 897 from moving.
Bruce S. Yarock
www.yarock.com

Gareth Watkins · December 15th, 2006, 06:59 AM

Hi there

I have used third party mic mounts on an FX1.

But on my Z1 by far the easiest way I've found is to wrap some gaffer tape around your mic, or a piece of neoprene type rubber...

When you do this so the mic (either my Rode NTG2 or AT897's) fit snuggly in the regular Z1 mount ... the small rubber dimples inside it cushioning the movement... I don't find an noticeable handling noise this way...

regards
Gareth

David Morgan · December 15th, 2006, 08:53 AM

THX to all for the replys and thx for the pictures.

Gareth, I've done exactly that. About 20 wraps of G-tape to make the barrel bigger.
I just find myself thinking though, maybe the manufacturers ought to take a second look at this mount. I think they should start with about half the inside diameter, then allow the adjustment screw to open the sleeve up to fit bigger mic's. I think the starting point right now is way too large. I mean, do they think your going to cram an SM-58 in there or something?

Larry Rodman · December 15th, 2006, 10:48 PM

I discoverd the same thing when I unpacked my A1, David. Somehow, I just can't get excited about wrapping tape around my Sanken CS-1. I'll keep looking until I find something; at some point there's got to be an aftermarket product that will be a "clean" solution.

Larry Rodman · December 15th, 2006, 10:54 PM

I spoke too soon! That BWC mount looks good - not just good - I really like the look; I will order one. Thanks for the tip, Steve.

David Morgan · December 15th, 2006, 11:31 PM

Thx Steve.
What'll they think of next?

Bill Davis · December 16th, 2006, 12:51 AM

David,

For many years, the external mic holder for Sony Pro cameras was an aftermarket purchase, iirc called the CAC-1 or something like that. It shipped with a rubber grommet that reduced the diameter of the holder to the correct size to hold typical on-camera short shotgun style mics.

Sony probably has a part number for the thing. (This presumes you can find an actual phone number for a Sony service facility where an actual human being will talk to you - not always an easy task these days!)

There are probably a thousand of the things in a warehouse somewhere - the challenge is finding out where!

Good luck.

Jay Massengill · December 18th, 2006, 09:56 AM

I use one of those Sony spacers from my older cameras on occasion, but the shockmount on my newer Sony DVCAM is even larger diameter than the CAC-1, so for really skinny mics I have to use something much thicker.

Jeff Rhode · December 18th, 2006, 12:25 PM

Nice solution Vito.

The J-Rod will also solve this, as Vito said. If you go to www.thej-rod.com you will see something that looks a lot Vito's solution. This should work fine on the A1 too Larry.

Abe Dolinger · December 24th, 2006, 11:40 PM

Larry - it might sound silly, but when I have to gaff-tape my mics I wrap the first layer in reverse so that the sticky side is out and then wrap more sticky-side-in on top. If you wrap the first layer tightly enough to itself you won't get any slippage. Had to do the exact same thing with an XL1 a few weeks ago . . they must have gotten a bunch of those large mounts cheap or something, I have no idea what they were expecting us to do with them.

Bob Grant · December 25th, 2006, 02:40 AM

Rode make an accessory for solving this problem, the SM5.
http://www.rodemic.com/?pagename=Accessories

We've used it on all our Z1s to mount both Rode and Sony mics to the camera, works very well, will fit both diameters of clamps and provides very good isolation.
It is however a bit heavy but one could reduce the weight by cutting off the unused section of the metal pipe.

Douglas Robbins · December 25th, 2006, 01:36 PM

We use the MM XL Universal Minimount from Lightwave. http://www.lightwavesystems.com/prod...on/default.asp

December 14th, 2006, 06:08 PM	#1
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	skinny mic, fat holder on camera I'm sure this is common but I don't get it. I'm looking for a shotgun mic for my Canon XH A1. The external holder has a center diameter that is way too large to accommodate the shotgun mics that I've found. What are people doing about this? I've noticed the same problem with the Sony Z1 and other cameras. Way too large an opening for the barrel of the mic.

December 14th, 2006, 08:11 PM	#2
Vito DeFilippo Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 1,585	Hi David, If you look a few threads below at "Mounting Rode NT2 to an XL2?", you'll see a couple of suggestions that might help. I've also seen a product called a JRod that is supposed to help with that exact problem. You can do a search for that. For my Z1, I took apart the shock mount that came with my Rode, screwed it to a bit of broom stick handle that fit exactly in my mic holder, and mounted the shock mount to that. Works like a charm. I painted it blue after I took these pictures The left over shoe attachment came in handy for my wireless transmitter, too, so it all worked out. I'm guess what I'm trying to say is, don't be afraid to mess around and build something if you can't find a product that will do what you want... Attached Thumbnails __________________ . http://www.nosmallroles.com

December 16th, 2006, 12:51 AM	#10
Bill Davis Trustee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Posts: 1,538	Sony's original rubber sleeve David, For many years, the external mic holder for Sony Pro cameras was an aftermarket purchase, iirc called the CAC-1 or something like that. It shipped with a rubber grommet that reduced the diameter of the holder to the correct size to hold typical on-camera short shotgun style mics. Sony probably has a part number for the thing. (This presumes you can find an actual phone number for a Sony service facility where an actual human being will talk to you - not always an easy task these days!) There are probably a thousand of the things in a warehouse somewhere - the challenge is finding out where! Good luck.

December 15th, 2006, 02:10 AM	#4
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	I use an AT 897 on my Canon XLH1 (used it for 2 yaers on my XL2). Iwrapped ahrd rubber around it so it would fit snugly in the holder. Ilost the rubber and now just wedge a piece of foam in the holder to help keep the 897 from moving. Bruce S. Yarock www.yarock.com

December 15th, 2006, 06:59 AM	#5
Gareth Watkins Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: France Posts: 578	Hi there I have used third party mic mounts on an FX1. But on my Z1 by far the easiest way I've found is to wrap some gaffer tape around your mic, or a piece of neoprene type rubber... When you do this so the mic (either my Rode NTG2 or AT897's) fit snuggly in the regular Z1 mount ... the small rubber dimples inside it cushioning the movement... I don't find an noticeable handling noise this way... regards Gareth

December 15th, 2006, 08:53 AM	#6
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	THX to all for the replys and thx for the pictures. Gareth, I've done exactly that. About 20 wraps of G-tape to make the barrel bigger. I just find myself thinking though, maybe the manufacturers ought to take a second look at this mount. I think they should start with about half the inside diameter, then allow the adjustment screw to open the sleeve up to fit bigger mic's. I think the starting point right now is way too large. I mean, do they think your going to cram an SM-58 in there or something?

December 15th, 2006, 10:48 PM	#7
Larry Rodman New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon Posts: 23	I discoverd the same thing when I unpacked my A1, David. Somehow, I just can't get excited about wrapping tape around my Sanken CS-1. I'll keep looking until I find something; at some point there's got to be an aftermarket product that will be a "clean" solution.

December 15th, 2006, 10:54 PM	#8
Larry Rodman New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon Posts: 23	I spoke too soon! That BWC mount looks good - not just good - I really like the look; I will order one. Thanks for the tip, Steve.

December 15th, 2006, 11:31 PM	#9
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	Thx Steve. What'll they think of next?

December 18th, 2006, 09:56 AM	#11
Jay Massengill Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burlington Posts: 1,976	I use one of those Sony spacers from my older cameras on occasion, but the shockmount on my newer Sony DVCAM is even larger diameter than the CAC-1, so for really skinny mics I have to use something much thicker.

December 18th, 2006, 12:25 PM	#12
Jeff Rhode Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 169	Nice solution Vito. The J-Rod will also solve this, as Vito said. If you go to www.thej-rod.com you will see something that looks a lot Vito's solution. This should work fine on the A1 too Larry.

December 24th, 2006, 11:40 PM	#13
Abe Dolinger Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 111	Larry - it might sound silly, but when I have to gaff-tape my mics I wrap the first layer in reverse so that the sticky side is out and then wrap more sticky-side-in on top. If you wrap the first layer tightly enough to itself you won't get any slippage. Had to do the exact same thing with an XL1 a few weeks ago . . they must have gotten a bunch of those large mounts cheap or something, I have no idea what they were expecting us to do with them.

December 25th, 2006, 02:40 AM	#14
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	Rode make an accessory for solving this problem, the SM5. http://www.rodemic.com/?pagename=Accessories We've used it on all our Z1s to mount both Rode and Sony mics to the camera, works very well, will fit both diameters of clamps and provides very good isolation. It is however a bit heavy but one could reduce the weight by cutting off the unused section of the metal pipe.

December 25th, 2006, 01:36 PM	#15
Douglas Robbins Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: san bruno, ca Posts: 60	We use the MM XL Universal Minimount from Lightwave. http://www.lightwavesystems.com/prod...on/default.asp